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>>> WE DO NEED TO GET TO A FOX
NEWS ALERT THIS SUNDAY MORNING.
AMERICAN SPECSAL FORCES HAVE TWO
DARING RAIDS TARGETING AL QAEDA
OPERATIVES IN AFRICA.
>> IN LIBYA THE TERRORIST AND
MASTERMIND BEHIND THE 1998 U.S.
EMBASSY BOMBINGS HAS BEEN
CAPTURED.
THE PENTAGON SAYS HE WILL BE
BROUGHT BACK TO THE UNITED
STATES AND STAND TRIAL.
HE'S BEEN ON THE FBI'S MOST
WANTED LIFT.
HE HAD A $5 BILLION BOUNTY ON
HIS HEAD.
>>> HOURS EARLIER, NAVY
S.E.A.L.s GETTING THEIR TARGET
FOR THE MALL MASSACRE IN KENYA.
NO AMERICAN TROOPS WERE INJURED
IN EITHER RAID.
HOW BIG A THREAT OF THESE
AFRICA-BASED TERROR NETWORKS?
ARE THE TERRORISTS ON THE RUN
FOR LONG OR ARE THEY STILL IN
THIS FIGHT?
JOINING US IS RYAN MORROW,
NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
>> THANKS FOR HAVING ME.
>> WHEN SECRETARY KERRY SAYS
THEY ARE ON THE RUN NO MATTER
WHERE YOU GO WE WILL FIND YOU,
IS THAT TRUE?
WE KNOW THAT IN FACT WE WENT
INTO SOMALIA AND TRIED TO GET
THE TOP GUY IN THIS NETWORK AND
HE RAN AWAY AND WE COULDN'T FIND
HIM SO IS THAT TRUE?
ARE THEY ON THE RUN?
ARE WE REALLY CLAMPING DOWN ON
AL QAEDA?
>> ALTHOUGH I HAVE CRITICISMS OF
THE OVERALL STRATEGY AGAINST
RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORIST
GROUPS, WHEN IT COMES TO AL
QAEDA, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS
BEEN PRETTY STRONG.
THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT.
IN SOMALIA, EVEN IF THEY DIDN'T
GET THE TOP GUY, THE LEADER OF
AL SHABAAB WHO IS DIRECTLY
THREATENING THE UNITED STATES,
HE HAS TALKED ABOUT ATTACKING US
ON THE HOMELAND, JUST THE SIMPLE
FACT THAT WE HAD ACTIONABLE
INTELLIGENCE, WHICH MEANS A SPY
ON THE INSIDE OR INTERCEPTED
PHONE CALL IS VERY IMPORTANT TO
THEIR PSYCHE.
WHAT THAT SHOWS IS THEY MAY HAVE
A TRADER IN THEIR MIDST.
WHAT THAT SHOWS IS ACCORDING TO
WITNESSES RIGHT AFTER THEY DID
THAT THEY DID A
HOUSE-BY-HOUSE SEARCH.
>> AL SHABAAB DID?
>> YES.
>> WHAT'S BEHIND THE TIMING OF
THESE MISSIONS?
>> THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT DIDN'T
HAPPEN AT THE EXACT SAME TIME
OUT OF ANY OTHER REASON OTHER
THAN THEY HAD THE SAME
OPPORTUNITY AT AROUND THE SAME
TIME, ABOUT YOU IT COULD MEAN
THAT THE TWO GROUPS WERE
COORDINATING AND THE TWO GROUPS
WERE COMMUNICATING.
IF YOU GO AFTER ONE LEADER AND
AS A RESULT OF AN INTERCEPTED
PHONE CALL OR COURRIER THAT YOU
CAPTURED YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO
GO AFTER BOTH AT THE SAME TIME
BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO TIP
EACH OTHER OFF.
>> YOU MENTIONED THAT AL SHABAAB
HASN'T ATTACKED US HERE ON THE
HOMELAND, WHICH IS FANTASTIC?
ARE THEY CAPABLE OF DOING SO?
>> WITHOUT A DOUBT.
THEY HAVE NETWORKS HERE IN THE
UNITED STATES.
THEY'VE RECRUITED OVER 40
AMERICANS THAT WE KNOW OF INTO
THEIR RANKS.
THIS HE HAVE AN ACTUAL
INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE UNITED
STATES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO NOT
ONLY RADICALIZE THESE
INDIVIDUALS, YOU HAVE TO RECRUIT
THEM, ARRANGE THEIR TRAVEL, PAY
FOR IT.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT THEY'RE
SMUGGLING OPERATIVES ACROSS THE
MEXICAN BORDER.
THERE WAS AN INDIVIDUAL ARRESTED
IN VIRGINIA THAT ADMITTED TO THE
FACT THAT HE HAD SMUGGLED OVER
270 SOMALIS INTO THE COUNTRY.
HE WAS WORKING FOR AL SHABAAB.
WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE WHAT THESE
PEOPLE WERE LIKE.
>> THAT'S T EVENNESS BECAUSE
CHURCH GROUPS HAVE BROUGHT SO
MANY CHURCH GROUPS TO THIS
COUNTRY AND RESETTLED THEM INTO
MINNESOTA AND MAINE.
IS THE FBI CONCERNED THAT THOSE
REFUGEE COMMUNITIES IN THE U.S.
POSE A THREAT TO THE UNITED
STATES?
>> OH, WITHOUT A DOUBT.
BECAUSE OF THE TREND OF
RADICALIZATION IN THE
COMMUNITIES, ALTHOUGH MOST
SOMALI AMERICANS OBVIOUSLY ARE
NOT TERRORISTS, YOU HAVE A
SIGNIFICANT NUMBER THAT ARE NOT
ASSIMILATING INTO AMERICAN
SOCIETY.
THAT'S ONE OF THE FIRST
INDICATORS OF AN EXTREMIST
IDEOLOGY.
WHEN YOU REJECT WESTERN BELIEFS
AND CULTURE, YOU'RE PUTTING A
BUBBLE AROUND YOURSELF.
THAT'S WHERE RADICALISM BREEDS.
I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THE
INDIVIDUAL THAT WE CAPTURED IN
LIBYA BECAUSE HE LIVED IN IRAN
FOR ABOUT TEN YEARS AND THE
OBAMA ADMINISTRATION SAYS THAT
AL QAEDA AND IRAN STRUCK A
SECRET DEAL WHERE IRAN IS
ALLOWING AL QAEDA OPERATIVES TO
MOVE IN AND OUT OF THEIR
COUNTRY.
THIS INDIVIDUAL WILL ALLOW US TO
UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIONSHIP
MORE.
>> TALKED ABOUT ACTIONABLE
INTELLIGENCE WHICH IS WHAT LED
TO THESE MISSIONS.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO SAY WAIT A
SECOND, ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE.
WE HAVE PHOTOS OF THE GUYS WHO
WENT INTO BENGHAZI AND ATTACKED
THE CONSULATE THERE.
WE KNOW WHERE SOME ARE.
WE HAVE ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE
ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE POSITIONED.
WHY DON'T WE HAVE A SIMILAR NAVY
S.E.A.L. RAID INTO THOSE AREAS
AS WELL?
>> BECAUSE OF THE COST-BENEFIT
ANALYSIS.
IT'S NOT WORTH THE RISK OF
PUTTING OUR GUYS ON THE GROUND
AND INTO HARM'S WAY FOR THOSE
INDIVIDUALS.
THEY WOULD RATHER TAKE A MORE
PATIENT APPROACH AND HAVE THEM
ARRESTED BY THE LIBYAN
GOVERNMENT IF IT EVER HAPPENS.
AGREE THAT I'M GETTING
FRUSTRATED WITH HOW LONG THAT'S
TAKING.
THE STRATEGY --
>> WAIT A MINUTE.
THAT DOES WASH WITH ME AT ALL.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE GUN
FIGHT.
LANDED ON A BEACH IN SOMALIA,
NAVY S.E.A.L.s DID YESTERDAY.
LANDED ON A BEACH IN SOMALIA, GO
INTO THIS GUN FIGHT OF A TOWN,
HOT BED OF A TOWN.
IT GOENT GET HOTTER THAN THAT?
YOU'RE PUTTING OUR MEN AND WOMEN
IN HARM'S WAY THERE.
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?
>> RIGHT.
WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IS IS THAT
PART OF IT'S SITUATIONAL.
IN SOME CASES IT'S -- THEY MAY
HAVE A MILITIA AROUND THEM AND
THEN SENDING IN A SMALL UNIT IS
GOING TO BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS.
IN THIS CASE IN SOMALIA YOU'RE
GOING AFTER THE TOP LEADER
THERE.
I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG PRIZE.
THEY WOULD ARGUE THAT'S WORTH
IT.
>> SO WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING YOU
ATTACK A MALL IN KENYA AND WE'RE
GOING TO FIND YOU BUT IF YOU
KILL OUR AMBASSADOR, YOU KNOW,
MAYBE WE'LL GET AROUND TO IT?
>> I AGREE WITH THAT CRITICISM
BECAUSE WE HAVE TO GO AFTER ALL
OF THEM ESPECIALLY BECAUSE IF
YOU TAKE OUT THE HEAD THEN
ANOTHER GUY REPLACES THEM.
SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LET
ANYONE THAT'S INVOLVED IN AN
OPERATION LIKE THAT KNOW THAT
WE'RE GOING TO HUNT YOU DOWN
REGARDLESS OF YOUR RANK.
SO AN EXAMPLE OF THAT INCOMPLETE
STRATEGY WOULD BE THE FACT THAT
THERE'S AN AL QAEDA AFFILIATE
CALLED BOCO GARAN.
THEY ATTACK CHURCHES ON WEEKLY
BASES.
THEY'RE NOT LISTED AS A FOREIGN
TERRORIST GROUP OFFICIALLY.
IT'S AN ATTEMPT TO NARROW DOWN
THE CONFLICT TO AS LITTLE AS
POSSIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE
TO GET INVOLVED IN A BROADER
CONFLICT.
I THINK IT'S JUST NOT REALITY.
YOU HAVE TO GO AFTER ALL OF AL
QAEDA'S AFFILIATES.
YOU HAVE TO GO BATTLE THE
IDEOLOGY THAT DRIVES THEM.
>> IS SOMALIA THE MAIN FOCUS
NOW?
>> AFRICA IS BECOMING MORE OF
THE MAIN FOCUS BUT YOU CAN'T
NARROW IT DOWN TO JUST ONE
COUNTRY LIKE SOMALIA.
FOR EXAMPLE, THE GOVERNMENT OF
ARA TREY WHO IS RUN BY A GUY
CLAIMING TO BE A CHRISTIAN.
HE'S FUNDSING AL SHABAAB.