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MC: From our home-based studio in Irving, Texas
This is PPL's
"Those Damn Kids Today."
And HERE's your host:
Hal Puehler.
HAL: Hello, hello, ladies and gentlemen we have a great show for you today. I'm here in studio
with three fantastic developmental psychologists from three schools of development here to explain to you
the minds of Those Damn Kids Today. So let's start from the right, would you introduce yourself please.
So let's start from the right, would you introduce yourself please.
EMILY: Tch...typical, start with a male...
MATT: be quiet
I'm Matt Lamond, I'm a professor at Estacada University
I do research on adolescent development using a Kohlbergian model. I'm most known for my book:
"The Problem With Convention: Why Law is Not Enough."
EMILY: My name is Emily Queen,
I'm a clinical psychologist working at Olympia Action Center.
I'm known for my book:
"Misogyny:
Why the Males are Wrong...Again."
I studied under Gilligan in New York.
KENTON: Thank you Hal, it's a pleasure to be here today
I'm Kenton Foehl, I'm currently a psychology professor at The Yaltan
Observatory of Life and Occupation
or YOLO as some the students here have taken to calling it for short
I tend to follow the Eriksonian model treatment of development.
HAL: Excellent, excellent. So you three are here to explain to us the minds of "Those Damn Kids Today," and we've got our first caller,
Mr. John St John. How're you doing John, can you hear us?
JOHN: Yes, yes I can hear you just fine. My question is about my son John St. John Jr.
He's a good kid, 15 years old, raised well, never done anything bad before...but just today
he went out and broke a window of a friend's house, threw a rock clean through it!
Never shown any signs of doing something like this before. I don't understand what's going through his head, explain it to me please?
EMILY: I'll get us started
Seems to me as if John is struggling move on from the preconventional, selfish stage of development.
His actions are a telltale sign of only self care.
Maybe he found some enjoyment in that act?
Seems right, a man ignoring the feelings of others and destroying things.
f only he could place all that energy into something else... Maybe, I don't know
OH! That's right! Care for others!
That might seem overly complicated for a man, but it'd land him in Gilligan's
conventional stage of development.
That would be a positive change we could all benefit from.
MATT: Unlike my colleague
Kohlberg
would say that John Jr. is in the Convential modes of thinking
specifically stage 3 - Good Boy mentality
He is clearly suffering from a repressed emotion
causing conflict with his good boy mentality.
At this age social impact and influence is key. If he is lashing out at someone
for no apparent reason it means either he feels guilty for no longer being a good boy
or believing that said person is not a good person
and is dragging him down along with them.
you want to investigate the matter and see if you can find the root of the problem
to determine what that person did to him or with him.
KENTON: Well Mr. John
it's clear your son is suffering from identity confusion
all while having to navigate the very
daunting task of social relationships
He's in the midst of what Erickson describes as the Identity vs.
role confusion stage
explored in adolescence
You know it's like that song, I can't remember the name
where the artist is supposedly prevented
from really wondering who he is all because of a young woman
His role in the relationship with this girl
placates his confusion
It's all in my article "Why Adolescents Require Compassionate Devotion".
of course
blame the woman, and just focus on your silly rules
HAL: Hmm, Kenton I think you're talking about "Some Nights" by Fun.
At any rate, thank you for the call and we'll keep moving right along with our second caller of the night, Miss Irene Adler.
Miss Adler are you there?
IRENE: Yes I'm here
Ever since my divorce with Mr. Holmes due to extenuating circumstances
involving
a political scandal
international jewel robbery, and two men known as the "gruesome twosome"
my daughter, Jessica
has been less and less respectful
She has learned what I do for a living,
providing "recreational scolding" as it were,
I am not just meeting high-end business men on weekends for important business but for their own
rest
and relaxation and enjoyment...
MATT: Alright, I see your problem already.
Jessica is developing well as she should be. She has entered stage 4 moral reasoning
driven by authority and social obedience and law
As you are aware Miss Adler,
your profession is illegal in several countries, i
including this great country of ours. As a result, she seeks to rebel against you who break the law
and thus doing something morally wrong.
There's nothing wrong with her, and I would
make sure
to help her progress to stage 5,
which is
driven by social contract
That way, she'll recognize that you have your own set of values
your own set of laws that you obey
and adhere to and she'll respect that
and thus your relationship shall be fixed.
KENTON: Ms. Adler, it appears your daughter,
in an attempt to find her appropriate role in society,
is treating you more and more like many others would prospectively treat you
as Matt has already pointed out
the uh... behavior you described
from jessica is in line
The behavior you describe from Jessica is in line with what is common in Erickson's adolescence stage,
its the stage that John's son also finds himself in
so maybe the two of you can exchange notes.
Additionally, this conduct is present in the transitional period
into young adulthood
which Jessica is entering. In this next stage, it's Intimacy
verses isolation
where establishing strong and intimate relationships are key
It's all in my article "Young Adults: How It's A Brand New Dawn".
EMILY: Oh you boys and your rules
Oh, woman. The name you give us all is a sad one
You, madame are certainly having troubles moving on from the preconventional stage of development.
Your focus on self sickens me a bit,
but I suppose we could argue you are doing this all for your daughter's future.
In such a case you would be commended for moving on to the conventional stage
of self sacrifice and focus on others.
Well done, well done.
Your daughter, however, seems to have moved onto the final stage of development
according to Gilligan.
She has realized her position in the world in relation to other individuals
who all have their own emotions and own needs
As your actions are harmful to others, her behavior is perfectly justifiable.
Still, it is a difficult case, and I'd like to sit and have a chat with young Jessica
if that is at all possible
In order to better understand her mentality.
HAL: *Ding* Alright folks, well that's all the time we have here today.
Thank you for tuning in and remember, we're sponsored by The Fifth Element: "Boron, but not Boring."
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We'll see you all, next week!
Thank you and good night!