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for rolling stone magazine at
contributing editor
very interesting uh... with little avego unfair
is still a pretty good
thank you very much for joining us now
you've got to be
that's coming out on
a health care brewhaha in washington next week
is that because obviously it's not out there
that's a symbol of
what you're talking about in space
very quickly we're travel regatta laid out the whole history of the federal and
uh... gotta make the case that there is nothing left in it
you know him univ the way we looked at it was
you know that they've kind of systematically chipped away they
everything meaningful on the bill and and
i paid about a month for a month and a half talking to various members of
congress interactive department does
uh... in order
though you know details in the bill that uh...
all of the allegedly that maneuver that they needed to try to put up a meeting
out of uh... health care reform and that we kinda went well a lot of allot of
detail about
you through different versions of the bill and i don't know what's left for
about
so this meeting
of what has been taken out that you think
essentially custom-built effectiveness any this and he said at this point
italy has a bunch different bills coming up on two different committees
directly they can be strengthens
printing it happens at the price
hysterical as the united with a million dollars
marriage but right now but i have a but the comparable product in progress
parallel
anything that you know they could wake up piano three months from now on
totally everybody could decide that they want to have a single-payer system and
they could put that in the company now
is so developing over we have no idea exactly what's going to be in it but
if you need to cut out there to be
what's going to be you know what's going to be in the bill to fit it into the
floor i mean
even though
by
you know there's a
strong public option for instance in the in the way to meet committee version and
in the education and labor committee version
of the bill
it the energy and commerce committee version that is the one that they're
going to use
if they use that at all
sustain had been gutted pretty seriously for even though we don't really know
within that we have we know they're they're from indication vet enough
certain versions of it are going to have more preference in others
cases listened
a helmets that they feel this sort of uh...
we've got it from the from these bills adore her first of all
statistical parity i mean even though there's an amendment that anthony wiener
here in new york
introduced into the substitute bill that that would replace the entire bill with
a single payer who
and that you've got a problem but it's going to make it to the floor divert
they have a promise in the leadership but they're not going to take it out in
the rules committee or anything like that that actually will be voted on but
it's not going to back in a path obviously really now
but i wasn't there
your is basically deal they
seems and basically the primer
value-added ebitda basically everybody i procured said
at the present hand-picked deal between the white house
and the health insurance and platform critical industry and they kinda made a
deal before the property started that that
you know where that we're going to take single pair off the table and in return
you're not going to have more of what you did during the clinton you know
healthcare efforts
and that kind of what happened now not only with single pair not seriously
entertained they didn't even allow
people to testify on behalf of single-payer you know when one back
we'll talk of held the first round table in senate finance committee
on health care reform invited forty-one witnesses to testify
and not one of them with a single-payer advocate and one thing au-pair advocate
showed up and tried to get themselves into the you know the hearing they have
you had them arrested and taken away
but there's there and that's
forward
miss lewis around doesn't exactly exactly and hers so you know what people
care without the people you know that the only thirty game really became
the public art and the we
single-payer was off the table
the primary campaign when
fuses million between clinton and obama when both of them basically said we're
not to receive a fair
uneasily
what what during this process has really been
eliminate any because
in playing devil's advocate here there are a lot of things that
sadly that we're told
are are good reforms things like
you're going to have regulations could prevent insurance companies
from forgetting people
pre-existing conditions right at the end of the individual preventable built by
the way
that's good and that's being the the proposed big reform in although i think
but
sis
it does nothing duper costs in any way
hand there's nothing as silly to ensure maybe insures more people will be there
i suppose some recision provisions
you can't take away people's health insurance once you get sick days easily
all answers
i mean that's those are the two big things i think that are in the past
side you're well aware of
that fits that you feel like
basically of israeli details please
what would have preferred to be a problem by dr tomorrow what the
paperwork
and the cost of and you know you can't do anything about the paperwork if you
don't have a public update if you don't have single-payer with its at one thirty
prepared of the cost of health care in the country and they just ignored that
rebecca playing is department and the way they were going to address the
carpet with a with a public option now in order to have the public option b
meaningful it had to be
significantly cheaper than private insurance and and the original version
but they had the ones in the education and labor committee and and and the ways
and means committee that they develop
they were real public option plan the prices that they would have been unit
dictating to providers would have been
based on medicaid rates plus five percent if it would have been pregnant
furtively cheaper than private insurance and that would have been talking to
anybody who was unemployed
you know or what they offer good insurance by their employers would have
been able to buy and that would have driven down the cost of health insurance
the crop of the board or the fantastic
uh... at the last minute the blue dog kinda revolted
and that kinda quyet
the wave of the language is written and now it's not make a point five percent
fitness the health and human services secretary at his negotiate directly with
providers which
basically going to have end up making the public option caught the famed
private insurance though with the public option but if it's not really a public
option and that that would some of the really big killer thing that's that's
really under my belt
this is a solid haiti icily that pre-existing parents programs
and leverages volume to get those factories rebecca right net and
massachusetts symphony
hand blue
all the benefit of the government actually running this program
right exactly how you did we have a government-run
uh... organization that isn't going to have any of the benefit of being a
government you know a government were offered help help metropole if with the
kind of ridiculous
though it you know that the problem all along but that uh... you know that
support document that nato permit the that
you know the problem with the public option to go to a fashion carpeted
carpeted little and pravin charge will be able to provide for their children
services sales
the other programs won't survive
*** industry plus rat
shockingly bizarre argument to make
somewhat difficult different french trying to get out and open what it meant
that uh...
very competitively
the even weirder with the fact
with the way they ended up getting that change in the public option in the blue
dog for these
units deficit hawks retired who are desperately caught
you know road
you know adding to the budget
date
objected to the public option on the ground for the students
profitably
world doctors enough
so they don't get what they think that we did at the additive gigantic
people public government port for the bill
and either the guy who are you know their whole margarine getting rid of
government port
where we put it was an amazing kind of about date that they use undermine the
public option didn't make any fenton reality but you know politically
everybody in the who was going on
certain places some and he is the largest
enough than is it doesn't show any savings and then what's the point
right exactly i think that
that's what everybody not i think the initial plan at the white house my dad
was
and look at what you have the public option from former another inmate you
know down the road of your pick a bit more debt
all of you know i will make it a real public option later on where i think the
other private taking a look at the public option and ill ttyl buck and it
will end up having to go back to the old with them because
the not going to give potent government-run insurance that may make
part of it but that was genuine
kind of stratagem that both both i've been thinking about right now
also we leveraged
e polyu
business essentially that the government does
there's a chance to later down the road that can be improved right
yet papa both play a part of all for that uh... you know that they yet a lot
of people think that that that that order with the white i think would have
happened in whatever form now
and days get enough of a balanced and you know the other than your collection
vernacular collection
that they'll go back and work on it again but you know it the current
incremental at the middle of the brain considering they have the map of
majorities in both houses they didn't really need to do that
well soon
people they say you have a hundred
ms three senators i guess normally roberta
active participant in it but the way
think about what you've been seeing out the progressive copies in them
in the house i mean they're they're basically saying
we did call the cops who were not on a bus
yeah i i i know i i think that would be they ended up calling the report from
for for the bill because there's no public option is that would be
don't be kind of an important moment and
you know american political history actually because
uh... i
you know one company projected to many people agree that maybe the president
might not vote for this bill if we didn't have a public option she
literally laughed out loud
uh... dealt with reporters after that
and the noted that the president and garvin me
taken for granted
than phil gramm for so long to are part of the reason that were in the method
that is that the white oakland take the breathlessly replied that they actually
report that i know i know for a fact that they
that a little bit the
members of the house will not vote for it that the public option and their
daughter you know i had for that i can count in the program it will also won't
work for it
man
if that happens it'll be a big deal a little feel a little force for the white
house for the first time to really pick for reference
fifteen thousand dollar bill that was taken in a certain you don't get a
little considerable force
yet uh... couldn't agree more certainly could be a hundred america development
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