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What is it like to visit heaven and Jesus
and then what's it like to leave it all again? Hi, I'm your host Lee Witting
for this week's exploration of the near-death experience
on IANDS NDE radio. This week I'm traveling to Sedona, Arizona for a few
days so the show was
pre-recorded at the International Association for near-death studies
conference last
Labor Day weekend in Washington, DC.
I'm speaking with Yvonne Sneeden who told me about
her amazing meeting with Jesus. Okay,
well we're recording this for
the IANDS website and perhaps for Youtube
in order to publicize the fact that we're doing an NDE
radio show through IANDS
and through Talkzone radio and
as part of that were doing an interview with
Yvonne Sneeden? That's right. Okay and
I'm going to ask you about your near-death experience I guess that's
where we should start
but before that tell us a little about what you do and where you're from
and so forth. Yes I am actually my name is Yvonne Sneeden as you said and
I'm french from Europe and I grew up in
Belgian, lived a few years in France and
when I was over there I worked
as far as my career goes in diplomacy
in a consulate in an embassy
and later on a lobbyists for the European Union
and then I moved to the US about eleven years ago.
In parallel to my professional career
I
devoted most of my time
to Christianity to a church actually I was very active
prior to that yes. What
denomination of church was it? It was a nondenominational church
which means that they try to not be categorized in one
category of denomination. At the end it becomes a
denomination as well a non-denominational church ( laughs )
Yeah, that has become a denomination. And was this in
Belgium?
Yes at first in Belgian and then I went to
France for seminary I
took some sabbatical years at work at the embassy
and then I went for a solid year to just learn more about
theology and then I came back to Belgium and
that was it. How old were you when you had your near-death experience?
We'll, it was in 2008 ( laughs )
That's all you need say
we won't ask you more than that. Thank you! ( laughter )
And a about five years ago
and actually it was here in the US.
And tell us about it, tell us what happened.
Okay,
as I said I was very involved in church and
a very strong believer in God already but
my life
shifting from Europe and here I had
many emotionally traumatic events in my life
and they were adding one after the other and
in 2008 It's actually probably
all I could bear maybe emotionally in my life I wouldn't go here through the
video they were
some traumatic events that you have in one lifetime
I had 4 or 5 for 4 or 5 different people so it was
quite heavy even if it doesn't look like that and
so my life I felt at some point in my life that
I was reaching... I was not suicidal
but I felt I was in reaching
the end of my energy of life
and it's very difficult to explain that to somebody because they think
"Well, you were suicidal you were depressed."
No. it was really the energy we have to live
thats actually implanted in us.. that
was completely depleted and I called my sister a week before the event
and I said to my sister, "I think I'm dying, I can feel
I am dying, I can feel it's gonna happen soon."
and a week later I was
in my house
laying on the sofa not feeling well and
all of a sudden I started to feel
every organ of my body shutting down
and one by one
and while it was doing that
I was getting out of my body so I didn't feel
the physical pain of it. One moment I was
on the sofa I was there
the other moment I was in heaven. I didn't go through a tunnel
I didn't go through a light from a distance.
I was immediately transplanted
in the light as you can see and
it's like when you're driving
in the fog in a very foggy morning
and you cannot see anything around you
and you feel that fog all around you that's how the light was.
There was no end or beginning but it was all made a light instead of fog.
So that's how I was translated in that.
Did you see any other people or spirits
or were you by yourself? I was completely by myself
and that light actually I was
in a state of evervesance, I felt myself
in a pure joy, happiness, worry-free completely
and just in that state of well-being..
Imagine all the negative I have in me
was completely gone and it was just a fullness
of peace and joy and I was on my own
when suddenly from a distance I saw something.
And what did you see? Do you want me to tell you? Of course
So, I am in that light
and suddenly
coming towards me I see an energy
coming towards me. Just imagine a flame of fire.
That's how I explain it in general. Imagine a flame of
a fire that actually moves around like that
but instead of fire its energy of light
imagine that energy and on top of the energy
there was a type of face
but I knew it was Jesus and some people ask me, "Well,
how did you know? Maybe it was your mind you were thinking."
The beautiful thing in heaven is that there's no
space for doubts which is kind of a
stressful emotion and there is no stressful emotion in heaven. It was
downloaded
to me. I knew it was in knowing
this is Jesus and he came towards me
whirling like that around
and then he just engulfed me
with his body which was made up of energy
and he just totally engulfed me and at the same time I felt him in me
and at that moment
I felt the love of a father
and the mother blended in one.
It was not a he, it was not a she,
it was one and it makes me think
that on earth love has been kind of divided
into the male type of love and a female type of love.
So, maybe we can experience those two different
loves but in heaven and it seems like Jesus had blended in both
so he wasn't a he or she had the both together like the ideal
parents. Like the love you have for...
the idea parents the ones that have not hurt you or traumatize you.
Really the perfect ideal parents
and when he engulfed me like that....
Oh yes and he kissed my face
like a mother would kiss her newborn baby.
You know you have so much love for your newborn baby that you
kiss the whole face
and you go and he kissed my whole face and I don't want to sacrilegious
but
he even kissed my lips in a very pure way like a mother kisses the whole face
of a baby
everywhere like that and I think
I experience that because I didn't grow up with my parents
so maybe he wanted to make sure I got the love of
the parents the ideal parents and that was beautiful
and I felt loved I felt
for the first time in my life I felt
I was with my parents and they were loving me and they were
caring for me and like a child who is four years old
and you are on your parents lap
and you feel like nothing can happen to you because they're holding you.
No one can harm you because you are theirs and that's what they felt with Jesus
I was his
not in a possessive way but in a way like
a protective loving protectively way I am here for you.
Did you sense that he was speaking or communicating any thoughts to you?
Yes and I'm glad you bringing that up Lee
because in heaven or on the other side I like to say
some people say on the other side when you're dead I like to say heaven
because its generally what people use
so it will define everyone can relate to it when we see heaven
even people that have never experienced an NDE.
If we say heaven they can just project a location and its easier
and so in heaven and it gives a good feeling when you think of heaven
more than on the other side and
so in heaven
we are not communicating with the mouth its from thought to thought
and I would say more then thought to thought.
Its from knowing to knowing,
its from heart to heart. its an impression
and the emotion that is actually imprinted in you
from the other person and you understand immediately 100 percent what the person
means so
that's how we were communicating. You would say that the word that
we can relate to is telepathy. We were communicating telepathically.
So what did you learn? What I learned
about when I was there
...I just was ....
all this.... how it was to be heaven.
What is my heaven I know that
heaven is so vast that there are many many locations and
there is one scripture where Jesus says "There are many mention
in my father's house" So, there are many places
where I went
it made me realize that
when we are not here
the life we have after the place we
actually call home with a
capital H is a place
of tremendous love, tremendous compassion,
tremendous understanding
and forgiveness...not even forgiveness because the forgiveness is
implied that you have done something wrong. Its just an
unconditional love. I felt that and because
I experienced it myself in the sense that
when I arrived there I was completely exhausted
emotionally, psychologically and physically from
the life I was leading here and at some point I said to Jesus
That I was very tired
and exhausted of my life on Earth
because the majority of people will
see the way I felt that it's a world.
I will say that it's a world where many people are mean,
selfish,
self-centered and I said to Jesus I don't wanna go back to that world
where people are mean selfish and self-centered I wanna stay here because
what I was learning there was that
there's another dimension an awakening
where actually love can be lived
and can be experienced and that was one of the learning
of my experience there at that moment with Jesus.
Was that something that he communicated to you
or was it something that you observed while you were there?
I observed while I was there Lee because
I mean Jesus the fact that he touched me .....
as soon as I was in the light it's not even when Jesus was with me
as soon as I was in the light the light
permeated love. Thats actually
the ingredient of heaven there is
every single thing is love and
Jesus is even more love and maybe there are other
beings over that are
full of love that actually eminated
from the creator of all. That's how I call him because
I don't wanna give a name. It's a creator of
all that's how I call it and
I met angels and I saw some angels.
Yes, I was asking if you had actually seen other beings
and perhaps an environment
you know sometimes we hear ofl fields or beautiful gardens or
a city or as you said many mansions
was it something along those lines that you
witnessed? Yes, some of them
I was walking with Jesus. He was taking me
after I said I'm tired of this world he actually
filled me he said "I will fill you with the energy of life."
and he filled me with a tremendous energy
like when you see on the medical
documentary when you see a skeleton and then liquid which is
instilled to explain how that product works better than the other
that's how I felt I felt that energy flowing into me
into the extreme gene
of my being. The proton everything I was
was completely filled with that energy of life it was amazing
and at that point
Jesus just took me towards a city.
He was walking to my left he was about
5'10 walking up to my left. The Jesus we portrait
he had his robe and I'm saying that for the listeners that were wondering
and we were walking towards
a magnificent city and I saw from a distance
a lot of buildings but they were made of crystal.
They were so brilliant they were so shining and so glowing that they
looked like they were made of crystal
and the sky was extremely blue
but there were no sun. It was just permeating
light because in heaven everything is light. There's no
darkness there is no night.
Imagine a world where everything is always brilliant and glowing of light
and that's what I saw
and I was walking with Jesus towards a direction
and suddenly I feel like somebody's coming to my right
and I turn around and I saw a
dozen children angels
and they were dressed in white robes. They had silverish type of hair,
wavy hair and
the color was bronze. Its like a mix of all the races
color and race we have here on earth. It was like it was a mix of
everything
and that was their color. It was amazingly beautiful
and they were walking too towards that city. We were all going there
and one of them looked at me and it was like it was very normal I was
there
and then he turns and looks at Jesus and his face shawn
and all the other little you angels ran into his arms
and he took them all like that in his arms with a
tremendous love and telepathically he said to them,
"It's Yvonne's Time." like he was taking care of me right at that moment but a lot
of love and no rejection feeling
but with a lot of love he said "It's Yvonne's time.:
and he said "Go back to your teachers."
and then so the angels left and I turned around to look at where they
were going and there were
and I will say that was my experience
They were the most beautiful women angels
waiting there with long white robes
and I knew they were angels
I could see the feature of what you think of an angel with tiny wings
and they were magnificent, glowing of lights.
Imagine a body which is the skin
and instead of muscles and blood inside the nerves
it's all pure white lights and they were glowing like that
and looking it's me with love,
acceptance, unity,
respect, dignity
veneration not in
putting me on a high pedestal but I think it that was more how we treat one another
in heaven we treat each other with respect
with consideration and they were smiling and loving me and saying
your one of us and it was the feeling I got
is they will never harm me.
They would never for one single moment hurt me.
That's the love that they were reflecting on me
the pure love and it was amazing and we were all going towards that
amazing city and...
Did you get to the city?
Well, we were walking there
and was entering it and then its
you know that's another thing about NDE's
NDE experiencer's sometimes
some of your experience the memory is blocked
because of the fact that sometimes you cannot
no the experience you had in heaven otherwise upi will not come back to
earth
or on earth you will not want to live you'll want to go back.
So he knew I didn't want to come back. Jesus knew
that I didn't want to come back so
I have a feeling I experience some things there but
I cannot remember and right after that
that's when Jesus told me he loves humanity,
he loves every one of us he said "Yvonne I love
everybody." so this seemed it's difficult to explain
in human words because when you're
in that other dimension time it's not the same as here.
You can live one minute here and the same amount
and when you're on the other side or in heaven you can live
three months and it's one minute here because it's a different notion of time
and some time the sequence
are not necessarily a croniligical
continuation. Its all what's important for you to learn that's
actually popping in like at some point Jesus show me something about my
personal life
and a screen appeared and he explained to me things about that
so it's imagine holograms but solid ones
appearing and that's how it felt and when
Jesus said
and I don't want to emphasize and I know that other people have not seen Jesus they
have seen a being of light
but Jesus is the being of light
it's the same thing he's the light of the creator
to me according to my experience
and he said to me "Yvonne
I love my babies" and
when he meant my babies
and he said after he said "I love humanity
I love humanity I love my babys."
and
it means everyone of us regardless of
where we come from our life our gender our
race anything that happened in our life
he/she loves everybody
completely and perfectly and I said oh yeah I know
were Jesus you came on earth to teach love
that's what I kind of was
thinking and then he said to me. " I'll show you how."
and when he said that
and he took the my heart
and he put my heart in his heart and we became one
and it was a complete oneness
a complete it actually a merge
we merged together as one
and for a few minutes I could actually
feel each emotion Jesus had
for humanity and Lee that's the moment where I cannot express
that with human words.
Its way beyond any vocabulary we have
Imagine billions and billions of waves of compassion and love and
forgiveness and kindness and goodness
and light and purity waves
just going towards us and carrying us through
lifting us through it was just it's difficult to explain that
that one experience it's difficult to explain but that one experience it was just beyond this world
You know there's one other scripture that says
there's a prayer Jesus said when he was on earth he said "God
let us be one like you and I are one"
and you know they wanted to be like you and I and that is exactly
what I felt and
experienced. Wow, what a gift
and then how did you come to be back in your body?
Right after that incredibly magnificent experience which
is life transforming
right after that I had a knowing that that was it
it was time to come back and that all that
Jesus wanted to communicate with me and
when I had that realization
it's time to go back I just came back as
naturally.. and you know sometimes I can imagine for people who have never had a
near-death experience
how sometimes they wonder how that's possible
but there is no pain to me there was no pain it was like you re
enter your body and suddenly you're back in
your body and
here you are and its like
you were home and suddenly your
in another home it was just amazing and the message I have
its love its compassion that's what I learned it's the dimension the degree
of love
that we can achieve even on earth that if we let ourselves go
and if I know that since
childhood we have all been
trained on earth to believe in certain patterns
of life and we are all following that pattern that
we had decided is the reality
and I feel Lee that
we went from trauma to trauma
because everyone of us started with a purity of heaven
that pure love that pure light that I experienced in heaven and we all started
with it
but as life goes on everyone
has been heard everyone has been rejected everyone has hurt
so with the years that go on we have kinda built from strongholds around us
and we have decided to just kind of leave
to give love to a certain measure and
having a near death experience is actually breaking those strongholds
and letting the flow of love
like a spring just flow out again and
if I have a message is that it's possible
it's possible to live that and to
open up again for anyone who listened or has been hurt in life
that's who we really are we all love
we are beings of love.
Well thank you so much for sharing this
sharing your experience with me and with everyone out there
who's watching and
this is the message that
I think that we want to concentrate on
NDE Radioo and so
you've given us a great gift by telling us about the gift that was given to you so
thank you. Thank you so much Lee
thanks again to Yvonne Sneeden and to all our listening audience
we'll be back next Monday 11 a.m. East Coast time on
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