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17:12:08:24 >>> Coming up next on "Arizona 17:30:10:09 Horizon," former ambassador Kurt
17:30:13:03 Volker will talk about efforts 17:30:14:18 to increase economic ties
17:30:16:21 between the U.S. and Mexico. 17:30:18:18 >>> And we'll see how one
17:30:20:15 organization is giving 17:30:21:12 vocational training to those
17:30:23:00 with autism. 17:30:23:21 >>> Those stories next, on
17:30:25:12 "Arizona Horizon." 17:30:26:27 >> "Arizona Horizon" is made
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17:30:33:03 Thank you. 17:30:35:21 >>> Good evening, and welcome
to 17:30:37:06 "Arizona Horizon."
17:30:37:12 I'm Ted Simons. 17:30:38:15 >>> ASU's McCain institute and
17:30:40:12 the center for American policy 17:30:41:15 is hosting an upcoming forum on
17:30:43:18 trade relations between the U.S. 17:30:45:00 and Mexico.
17:30:45:24 It's an important area of focus 17:30:47:15 for the U.S. in general, and
17:30:48:24 Arizona in particular, 17:30:49:27 considering Mexico's increasing
17:30:51:24 profile as a leader in 17:30:53:09 manufacturing and energy
17:30:54:06 sectors, along with the 17:30:55:15 country's rising middle class.
17:30:57:09 Here to talk about the status of
17:30:58:09 the U.S.- Mexico relations and 17:31:00:12 other foreign policy concerns
is 17:31:02:18 Kurt Volker, who served as U.S.
17:31:04:06 ambassador to NATO and is now 17:31:05:21 executive director of the McCain
17:31:07:27 institute. 17:31:10:03 Thanks for joining us.
17:31:11:12 The McCain institute hosting 17:31:13:12 this forum, what is the McCain
17:31:14:27 institute. 17:31:15:18 >> It's the part of Arizona
17:31:16:24 state University, we've been 17:31:18:12 around for about two years.
17:31:19:24 It comes as an outgrowth of 17:31:22:18 senator McCain and Mrs. McCain
17:31:25:00 wanting to invest in an 17:31:26:12 institute that would promote
17:31:28:06 character driven global 17:31:29:18 leadership.
17:31:29:27 So they went to Arizona state 17:31:31:03 and said, would you be the
17:31:32:12 institutional home for that kind 17:31:33:24 of institute?
17:31:34:27 And we've been working with 17:31:36:09 Arizona state, with senator
17:31:38:09 McCain's blessing and building a
17:31:40:27 new kind of policy institute in 17:31:42:21 Washington with the footprint
in 17:31:44:24 Arizona.
17:31:45:03 >> A new kind of policy 17:31:46:03 institute, how does it change?
17:31:48:18 >> We think in Washington as a 17:31:50:15 think tank, a lot of senior
17:31:52:12 staff, you might have a 17:31:53:21 conference from time to time.
17:31:55:09 We're trying to function as a do
17:31:57:06 tank. 17:31:58:06 Pick issue and figure out how
to 17:32:00:03 make a difference.
17:32:01:24 Great example is work we've done 17:32:03:12 on human trafficking in Arizona.
17:32:05:09 Where we saw this year new 17:32:06:21 legislation passed, a
17:32:08:03 strengthening of law enforcement 17:32:09:12 tools, more support for victims
17:32:11:18 in Arizona. 17:32:12:27 Another example, we're going to
17:32:14:18 be working on elections in the 17:32:16:27 Congo in the coming year where
17:32:19:00 they're going to have provincial 17:32:21:21 elections there for the first
17:32:23:15 time and we're going to be 17:32:25:09 trouble-shooting the process to
17:32:26:21 make sure it comes off OK. 17:32:28:15 And our next generation leaders
17:32:30:18 program. 17:32:30:27 We look for emerging leaders,
17:32:32:21 bring them to the U.S. for a 17:32:34:09 year, give them training and
17:32:35:24 ethics, values, leadership, and 17:32:37:12 try to help them be agents for
17:32:40:06 positive change in their home 17:32:41:15 countries.
17:32:41:24 >> And we've got this forum 17:32:44:00 regarding U.S.- Mexico trade
17:32:45:18 relations. 17:32:46:12 This is tomorrow?
17:32:47:18 >> Tomorrow here at the Cronkite 17:32:49:06 school, it's open to the public.
17:32:50:15 We have the foreign minister of 17:32:51:27 Mexico coming, former world bank
17:32:54:12 president will be here and the 17:32:55:12 purpose of this is to try to
17:32:57:00 stimulate positive discussion 17:32:59:03 about how both the United States
17:33:01:03 and Mexico can get more out of 17:33:03:24 our shared economic trade and
17:33:06:12 investment relationships. 17:33:07:21 >> And indeed, U.S. exports to
17:33:10:15 Mexico, reading more than 17:33:12:03 Brazil, Russia, India, China,
17:33:15:00 U.S. exports like 6 million 17:33:17:06 jobs, Mexico seems to be a
17:33:18:15 rising economic dynamo. 17:33:20:21 Is that accurate?
17:33:21:27 >> That is absolutely accurate. 17:33:23:27 Mexico today is not the Mexico
17:33:25:15 you thought of 20 or 30 years 17:33:28:03 ago.
17:33:28:15 Mexico has unemployment of about 17:33:31:06 5%, growing GDP, the number of
17:33:34:12 Mexican immigrants coming across 17:33:36:06 the border has dropped
17:33:37:15 significantly, it's mostly 17:33:38:21 central Americans now.
17:33:39:21 And the potential for increasing 17:33:42:09 trade and investment and
17:33:43:21 economic growth on both sides of
17:33:45:15 the border is significant. 17:33:47:00 And Mexico is going into new
17:33:48:21 areas. 17:33:49:06 They're an oil exporter, they're
17:33:51:12 going into more high-tech, and 17:33:53:24 some of our companies are
17:33:54:27 sourcing on both sides of the 17:33:56:06 border to both our benefit.
17:33:57:27 >> And seeing a rising middle 17:33:59:15 class over in Mexico, obviously
17:34:01:18 American companies see that, 17:34:03:03 export time.
17:34:04:00 >> Exactly. 17:34:04:18 There's exports and there's also
17:34:06:00 the possibility of investment to
17:34:08:12 produce more goods, but go back 17:34:10:15 into the U.S. economy as well.
17:34:11:27 >> As far as the leading 17:34:13:06 concerns regarding trade, I know
17:34:14:21 we've got sugar issues now as 17:34:17:00 far as sugar tax, energy issues.
17:34:20:12 You mentioned energy, they have 17:34:22:06 had a monopoly for petroleum for
17:34:24:24 a long time. 17:34:25:15 Is that breaking up?
17:34:26:27 >> It is, and there will be 17:34:27:27 opportunities for Mexico to
17:34:29:00 focus on oil exports, while also 17:34:31:15 looking at imports of U.S.
17:34:33:06 natural gas, that could help 17:34:34:18 their electricity sector and
17:34:36:00 further spur their own economic 17:34:37:15 growth.
17:34:38:00 Reducing energy costs inside 17:34:39:24 Mexico while they have an export
17:34:42:24 benefit. 17:34:43:03 There's a lot of shared benefit.
17:34:44:09 I think the way to think about 17:34:45:24 it, if you look at the
17:34:46:18 U.S.- Canadian border, this is a
17:34:48:21 source of massive daily trade, 17:34:50:15 daily exchange back and forth,
17:34:53:21 the auto industry, for example, 17:34:55:03 that really benefits both
17:34:56:21 countries. 17:34:57:03 The question we're posing, how
17:34:59:21 can we make the border more like 17:35:01:18 the U.S.- Canadian one when it
17:35:03:09 comes to the economy? 17:35:04:15 >> Can you make it more like the
17:35:05:18 Canadian one when there are so 17:35:07:09 bottle next, even as we speak
17:35:09:00 there are bottlenecks, and 17:35:10:24 again, the immigration issue
17:35:13:00 always overshadows things. 17:35:14:18 How do you get past that?
17:35:16:00 >> That's why we're doing a 17:35:16:27 conference like this.
17:35:17:27 If you have a policy discussion 17:35:19:00 in Washington about Mexico,
17:35:21:06 invariably the topic turns to 17:35:22:27 immigration, crime, drugs.
17:35:25:24 And what we want to do is say, 17:35:28:00 those conversations will go on,
17:35:29:27 people will have to deal with 17:35:31:06 them, but let's also look at the
17:35:32:21 potential of where we want to 17:35:33:27 get to.
17:35:34:18 What is the vision of what we 17:35:35:24 should have.
17:35:36:12 >> As far as the vision is 17:35:37:21 concerned, again, you had
17:35:39:12 especially in Arizona, 17:35:40:09 especially law enforcements in
17:35:41:09 Arizona, they see cross border 17:35:43:27 terrorism as a real threat.
17:35:46:00 How do you get past that? 17:35:47:18 >> Right.
17:35:48:00 That is a real threat. 17:35:49:09 Let's not --
17:35:50:27 Let's not minimize that. 17:35:52:15 It's very real.
17:35:53:15 And security on the border is an
17:35:55:06 issue. 17:35:55:18 I think our leaders in
17:35:57:06 Washington are going to have to 17:35:58:12 be dealing with that for some
17:35:59:21 time to come. 17:36:00:15 Help to Mexico to secure and
17:36:03:03 access an entry into Mexico 17:36:06:00 would be a fruitful area to
17:36:07:18 pursue so that we help them 17:36:09:09 control their space better.
17:36:10:24 And we're also going to have to 17:36:12:09 look at basic factors.
17:36:13:21 If you think about the influence 17:36:15:09 that drug gangs have, or that
17:36:17:00 criminals have in Mexico, how do
17:36:18:12 you diminish that influence? 17:36:20:03 Partly by having a stronger more
17:36:22:06 robust basic national economy 17:36:24:15 where their role is less
17:36:26:09 significant. 17:36:26:15 >> When you mention crime, just
17:36:27:21 a few years ago we were seeing 17:36:29:18 horrific body counts and all
17:36:32:03 sorts of crime. 17:36:33:03 Again, it's a serious issue, but
17:36:35:21 how do you get past that if 17:36:37:03 you're talking about trade
17:36:38:21 issues? 17:36:39:27 >> Well, you can't ignore
17:36:41:24 anything. 17:36:42:12 Let's not pretend these things
17:36:43:27 aren't there. 17:36:44:15 But if you do only that, and you
17:36:46:18 don't focus on the opportunities 17:36:48:03 for trade and investment, you're
17:36:49:15 not going to grow, you're not 17:36:51:03 going to get the benefit for
17:36:52:09 both countries. 17:36:53:06 In the long run, that is the big
17:36:54:21 story. 17:36:57:03 As Mexico develops economically,
17:36:59:09 as unemployment goes down, the 17:37:00:24 population becomes better
17:37:02:03 educated, as there is more 17:37:03:24 interchange between the U.S. and
17:37:05:00 Mexico the significance of 17:37:07:00 immigration, the significance
of 17:37:09:03 these crime and drug issues are
17:37:10:15 going to go down. 17:37:11:12 >> Mexican government, I've
17:37:12:18 read, I've heard there is more 17:37:14:24 of an open policy, more
17:37:17:06 transparency, more 17:37:17:21 accountability.
17:37:18:27 First of all S. that accurate, 17:37:20:15 and second, how far can that go?
17:37:22:18 >> I just visited Mexico earlier 17:37:24:12 this year with president crow
17:37:25:15 from Arizona state University, 17:37:27:24 it is better.
17:37:28:21 So that was your question. 17:37:30:00 Is it as good as you want it to
17:37:31:24 be? 17:37:32:18 No.
17:37:33:03 So there's a long way to go. 17:37:34:18 But that's where you put your
17:37:36:03 investment. 17:37:36:12 You don't wait for it to be
17:37:38:03 Switzerland, you say there's a 17:37:39:24 trend and we can build on this
17:37:40:27 to both of our benefit. 17:37:42:00 >> As far as the perception of
17:37:43:15 Mexico, is much of America still 17:37:45:09 looking at Mexico as 30, 40, 50
17:37:48:15 years ago? 17:37:49:09 >> Absolutely.
17:37:49:15 It's hard to reset perceptions. 17:37:51:12 But I think Mexico has changed
a 17:37:53:06 lot, even in the last decade.
17:37:55:03 >> Part of the McCain institute 17:37:56:12 and other efforts has changed
17:37:58:21 that perception or used that 17:38:00:15 perception to go into
17:38:01:15 different -- 17:38:02:06 >> it's getting an agenda for
17:38:03:24 what we can do together that 17:38:05:09 will be beneficial to the United
17:38:06:21 States, and beneficial to 17:38:07:27 Mexico.
17:38:08:18 >> OK. 17:38:10:09 Since we got you here, the forum
17:38:11:27 is on Mexico and trade relations 17:38:13:21 and that's very important, a lot
17:38:15:00 of other stuff going around, so 17:38:18:21 let's start with the Ukraine.
17:38:19:27 What is happening as far as that 17:38:21:09 is concerned, is American
17:38:23:15 foreign policy regarding the 17:38:24:24 Ukraine effective always we
17:38:26:24 speak? 17:38:27:15 >> It depends what we mean by
17:38:29:03 effective. 17:38:29:18 If you mean are the sanctions
17:38:31:18 we've put in place stopping 17:38:33:06 Putin from invading and
17:38:34:24 dismembering Ukraine. 17:38:36:18 No.
17:38:37:09 That is not effective. 17:38:38:15 Putin is determined to break up
17:38:40:15 Ukraine to exercise decisive 17:38:42:24 influence over the east, and to
17:38:44:15 keep pressure on Kiev and the 17:38:46:03 rest.
17:38:46:15 He has expansionist agenda, he's 17:38:49:27 put his troops inside Ukraine,
17:38:51:24 tanks, artillery, been fighting 17:38:53:18 inside.
17:38:54:06 And now there's a Carefree 17:38:55:00 Highway in place which is
17:38:56:12 basically cementing a frozen 17:38:58:09 conflict if that's where it
17:38:59:21 ends. 17:39:00:15 I believe what Putin is doing
is 17:39:02:12 buying a few weeks to
17:39:03:15 consolidate, get through the 17:39:05:06 European union's next
17:39:07:12 consideration of sanction and 17:39:08:09 he'll go back on the offensive
17:39:09:24 again. 17:39:10:00 I think we need to ramp up a lot
17:39:12:18 more. 17:39:12:27 >> NATO's position, NATO's part
17:39:14:21 in all this -- 17:39:15:21 >> NATO had a summit meeting in
17:39:17:21 early September, and there's one 17:39:19:09 aspect of this which I think is
17:39:20:21 very important and well done, 17:39:22:15 which is reassuring all of our
17:39:24:15 current allies, Poland, Baltic 17:39:27:09 states, others in western
17:39:28:24 Europe, norway, if there is a 17:39:30:12 threat against those countries,
17:39:32:06 like there is against Ukraine, 17:39:33:21 we will defend them.
17:39:34:24 We will be there to protect our 17:39:36:18 allies.
17:39:37:27 By doing that and doing nothing 17:39:39:15 about Russia's invasion of
17:39:41:06 Ukraine, I'm afraid NATO will 17:39:43:15 send a green light to Putin, you
17:39:44:27 dock what you want. 17:39:46:21 >> Can he do what he wants in
17:39:48:03 areas where there aren't so many 17:39:50:18 Russian nationalists?
17:39:52:00 Ukraine, you got so folks on the 17:39:53:27 ground there who are welcoming
17:39:55:09 Russia. 17:39:56:00 >> There are quite a few there,
17:39:57:09 but there are also others, and 17:39:58:21 we're talking hundreds of
17:39:59:18 thousands of people and probably 17:40:01:00 the majority in these two
17:40:02:09 provinces who are not ethnic 17:40:04:15 Russian or at least do not
17:40:06:06 support adhering to Russia. 17:40:08:06 Those people are probably going
17:40:09:15 to end up as refugees, or exiles 17:40:13:27 in their own country.
17:40:14:24 >> Does it get better before it 17:40:16:21 gets better?
17:40:17:18 >> It gets worse before it gets 17:40:19:06 better.
17:40:19:27 I think Putin has played this 17:40:21:18 masterfully in terms of
17:40:23:06 information campaign, attacking 17:40:25:24 a country without allowing it
to 17:40:27:21 be pinpointed as here's the
17:40:29:06 attack doing it through 17:40:31:03 subFujitsu and subversion.
17:40:32:27 Playing the diplomatic game so 17:40:35:03 it appears he's trying to be
17:40:36:21 reasonable. 17:40:37:15 He's denied all along that
17:40:39:24 Russian troops are inside 17:40:40:27 Ukraine.
17:40:41:12 We can see it with our own eyes, 17:40:43:21 yet he denies that because that
17:40:45:09 helps him deal with the 17:40:47:15 diplomatic aspects of this in
17:40:49:24 Europe. 17:40:50:03 >> And to the Middle East, the
17:40:51:27 threat that is Isis. 17:40:52:24 How serious a threat to America,
17:40:55:00 how serious to the Middle East? 17:40:58:06 >> Very, very serious.
17:40:59:12 And on the anniversary of 9-11, 17:41:01:09 we really do have to remember,
17:41:03:15 we've seen this before. 17:41:05:15 We've seen terrorist groups
17:41:07:21 form, have access to territory 17:41:09:15 where they can train and develop
17:41:11:00 plans, and they can send people 17:41:12:18 off to attack us or others as
in 17:41:15:24 London or Madrid.
17:41:17:18 This is even worse. 17:41:19:00 Because we have a group that is
17:41:20:15 larger, better funded, 17:41:22:24 controlled territory,
17:41:24:06 controlleds on energy experts, 17:41:25:24 and they have made it perfectly
17:41:27:06 clear in their videos, their 17:41:28:24 social media, their statements,
17:41:29:27 they intend to attack the United 17:41:31:09 States.
17:41:31:27 So we're at the situation now I
17:41:33:21 think President Obama is saying 17:41:35:12 we're going to hit them is
17:41:36:21 exactly right. 17:41:38:03 Because we ought to be hitting
17:41:39:24 them before they really get the 17:41:41:21 capacity any further to hit us.
17:41:43:21 The question I think people are 17:41:45:00 debating today after the
17:41:46:15 president's speech last night 17:41:47:21 is, is this enough?
17:41:49:24 We'll do air strikes, we may 17:41:51:12 even do air strikes in Syria,
17:41:52:27 but are we going to be sure that 17:41:54:21 we're --
17:41:55:12 We are eliminating this group 17:41:56:27 quick enough before they hit us?
17:41:59:06 >> Is Isis a threat to just 17:42:02:00 absolutely turning the Middle
17:42:02:27 East upside down with the 17:42:05:00 Sunni-Shia regional --
17:42:07:21 Proxy war seems to be going on. 17:42:09:24 The big boys and everyone else,
17:42:12:03 are they ever closer to getting 17:42:13:24 involved?
17:42:14:27 >> They're involved already. 17:42:16:09 But they're involved in this
17:42:17:18 proxy way. 17:42:18:24 You have this great divide,N
17:42:21:06 Islam between the Shia, led by 17:42:23:03 Iran, and the Sunnies with a
17:42:24:27 nominal leader in Saudi Arabia, 17:42:26:24 and then they have these
17:42:28:00 proxies, like Hezbollah is 17:42:30:12 fighting Iran's wars in the
17:42:31:18 Middle East, they're inside 17:42:32:15 Syria, fighting with Assad,
17:42:36:09 also -- 17:42:37:24 Against the opposition inside
17:42:39:15 Syria, which includes this crazy 17:42:42:03 group Isis, as well as the free
17:42:45:00 Syrian army. 17:42:46:00 >> You said they were very well
17:42:47:18 funded. 17:42:48:06 Who is funding these people?
17:42:49:24 >> It started I believe when 17:42:51:00 they were in Syria, and they
17:42:52:21 were the most effective of the 17:42:54:06 opposition groups and I think
17:42:55:12 they got funding from some of 17:42:56:18 our allies in the gulf states.
17:42:58:15 As they have change in addition 17:43:00:06 an even more brutal and
17:43:01:27 expansive force, I think some of
17:43:03:24 the gulf states are not 17:43:05:03 supporting them, but they now
17:43:07:03 control territory, they have 17:43:08:09 local support amongst Sunni
17:43:09:27 tribes, they have energy exports 17:43:12:06 they dock from there.
17:43:13:09 They have done amazingly well at
17:43:15:06 going from a small group to a 17:43:16:21 well funded quasi state.
17:43:18:12 >> We have heard these -- this 17:43:20:03 is 20,000, a bunch crazy people,
17:43:22:18 criminals, a bunch of psycho 17:43:24:00 paths you just get --
17:43:25:18 Wipe them out, get it over with, 17:43:27:12 move on.
17:43:28:00 Is that it ease any. 17:43:29:03 >> It's not that easy.
17:43:30:15 Because you have this war going 17:43:31:24 on in Syria, where the
17:43:33:12 population has become more 17:43:34:18 radicalized themselves and
17:43:36:06 they're looking for who is going 17:43:37:18 to be the toughest, most
17:43:39:21 bloodthirsty, brutal force to 17:43:42:00 fight back?
17:43:43:12 Inside Iraq you have Sunni 17:43:45:06 tribes that are very unhappy
17:43:46:21 with what they see as a Shia 17:43:48:24 domination of the government in
17:43:50:03 Baghdad, and so they're looking 17:43:52:06 at the worst of two evils, they
17:43:53:21 think the government in Baghdad 17:43:54:27 may be the worst.
17:43:56:03 So uprooting this is going to be
17:43:58:03 very difficult. 17:43:58:24 >> Before we let you go, the
17:44:01:09 very quickly, are we -- 17:44:03:00 9-11, are we safer now than we
17:44:05:00 were in 2001. 17:44:07:15 >> The threats are probably
17:44:09:00 worse. 17:44:10:06 And our preparedness is probably
17:44:12:12 better. 17:44:13:06 That's a tough balance.
17:44:14:24 We are smarter about how to 17:44:16:21 defend ourselves, our law
17:44:18:12 enforcement, our intelligence, 17:44:19:24 our first responders, they're
17:44:21:21 more on top of things than they 17:44:23:09 were in 2001.
17:44:25:09 But these threats that are out 17:44:26:15 there, like with Isis we were
17:44:28:03 just talking about, that is 17:44:29:06 warriors than Al Qaeda.
17:44:30:27 >> Ambassador, it's good to have 17:44:31:24 you here.
17:44:33:15 Thank you for joining us. 17:44:34:15 >> Thank you.
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17:46:22:24 off state route 95 stands a 17:46:25:12 peculiar monument to the town
of 17:46:27:24 oatman.
17:46:28:21 Oddly, the marker is 15 miles 17:46:30:21 from the town it honors.
17:46:33:12 West into the black mountains, 17:46:34:27 the mining town of oatman was
17:46:37:00 established at the turn of the 17:46:38:12 century.
17:46:39:09 By the 1930s, nearly 2 million 17:46:42:03 ounces of gold had been
17:46:43:18 extracted from the surrounding 17:46:45:00 mines.
17:46:45:21 The price of gold and World 17:46:47:06 War II forced the closure of the
17:46:49:24 mines in the '40s. 17:46:51:12 The town was delivered another
17:46:52:24 blow when in 1952, a stretch of 17:46:56:03 interstate 40 opened, siphoning
17:46:58:18 off oatman's lifeblood. 17:47:00:15 Route 66 traffic.
17:47:01:24 It quickly became a ghost town. 17:47:10:18 Route 66 is again its lifeblood.
17:47:13:15 Nostalgia for the mother road 17:47:15:03 and the old west draw tourists
17:47:17:00 from all over the world. 17:47:18:24 They walk the Boardwalks, hang
17:47:21:03 with the local gunfighters, and 17:47:22:21 are followed around by oatman's
17:47:25:12 most famous residents. 17:47:27:03 The burrows, descendants of
17:47:28:24 those set free by miners years 17:47:30:12 ago.
17:47:31:00 Being closer to Nevada than the 17:47:33:12 town itself, oatman's misplaced
17:47:35:12 monument is long forgotten. 17:47:37:09 But the town is remembered
17:47:39:06 daily. 17:47:49:18 >>> Tonight's edition of Arizona
17:47:51:15 giving and leading looks at an 17:47:52:27 organization helping young
17:47:53:24 adults with autism grow. 17:47:56:03 Producer Shana Fischer
17:47:57:03 introduces us to seeds for 17:47:58:18 autism.
17:48:03:00 >> Seeds for autism is a 17:48:04:27 vocational facility that works
17:48:06:06 with young adults with autism. 17:48:08:00 >> We train young adults who
17:48:09:18 basically transition from high 17:48:10:21 school and need more skill
17:48:13:18 development, life skill 17:48:15:12 development, social skill, and
17:48:16:21 we're teaching them vocational 17:48:18:06 training as well.
17:48:19:18 >> Mary Ann created the program 17:48:21:18 and knows firsthand how autism
17:48:23:18 can impact a family. 17:48:25:00 >> I started seeds for autism
17:48:28:15 for my brother, who was 17:48:30:09 diagnosed in the '70s.
17:48:32:03 After he graduated from high 17:48:33:12 school, my family were
17:48:36:00 dissolutioned as far as what to 17:48:37:18 do, and it was really a moment
17:48:39:15 of panic for us. 17:48:41:15 So we put him in a few different
17:48:43:12 programs, but they were really 17:48:45:03 below his skill level.
17:48:46:18 And it didn't really embrace him 17:48:48:21 to learn and to continue to
17:48:50:24 develop. 17:48:51:09 So we just watched that happen
17:48:53:24 for several years. 17:48:55:12 >> Mary Ann took a leap of faith
17:48:57:03 and followed her heart, starting 17:48:58:18 seeds for autism in her back
17:49:00:00 yard. 17:49:01:00 Now she has a large training
17:49:02:15 facility and dozens of students 17:49:05:12 working inside of it.
17:49:07:03 Everything the students do here 17:49:08:03 creates a functional item that
17:49:09:18 can be sold. 17:49:11:03 The students earn a stipend and
17:49:13:21 bonuses for hard works, with the 17:49:16:00 eventual goal that some will
17:49:17:09 find work outside of the 17:49:18:18 facility.
17:49:19:09 >> The goal is to take the 17:49:20:21 students on a path from learning
17:49:22:00 to earning, and so the students 17:49:23:18 are learning with their artisan
17:49:26:00 who's are professionals in their 17:49:27:06 skills, how to create and
17:49:30:12 weaving, and ceramics and wood 17:49:32:27 turning, sewing and doing
17:49:35:00 jewelry work. 17:49:35:24 >> Students work with volunteers
17:49:36:27 to create the items. 17:49:38:03 Linda wade is a weaver.
17:49:40:00 Several times a week she comes 17:49:41:06 to seeds to work with the
17:49:42:15 students. 17:49:44:06 >> In any type of volunteering
17:49:45:21 there's a satisfaction that 17:49:47:18 you're accomplishing something.
17:49:49:18 And I have looked forward to my 17:49:53:03 days coming here to help.
17:49:54:24 >> Mary Ann says with so many 17:49:56:09 children diagnosed with autism
17:49:57:21 these days, we need to 17:49:59:12 understand how to help them more
17:50:01:00 effectively. 17:50:02:00 >> I think what people think of
17:50:04:00 autism they don't understand 17:50:05:03 autism grows up.
17:50:06:03 And we always associate autism 17:50:08:12 with children.
17:50:09:03 And the children are going to be
17:50:11:12 adults some day and they're 17:50:13:00 still going to be impacted by
17:50:14:27 autism. 17:50:15:15 They may learn and refine some
17:50:16:27 of their social skills, we hope, 17:50:18:21 but they still have an impact
by 17:50:22:00 that, and it interferes with so
17:50:24:21 of the things they can 17:50:25:15 accomplish.
17:50:26:06 >> Along with learning 17:50:27:03 vocational skills, the students
17:50:28:24 are also gaining social skills. 17:50:31:18 Something Mary Ann says is often
17:50:33:27 difficult for those with autism. 17:50:35:27 >> It's incredibly important for
17:50:38:15 these young adults. 17:50:39:18 This is the first time many
17:50:41:00 develop friendships. 17:50:41:21 >> Sadly Mary Ann's brother Paul
17:50:43:12 passed away before he could see 17:50:45:00 all that she had accomplished
in 17:50:46:12 his honor.
17:50:47:03 But she has no doubt he would be
17:50:49:06 proud of her. 17:50:50:18 >> For him, I think he would
17:50:52:24 gain so many of the skills, and 17:50:54:21 just to have friends, that was
17:50:56:09 an important piece that was 17:50:57:09 missing in his life, was to have
17:50:59:00 people he could be around and 17:51:00:15 share the things he was
17:51:02:15 interested in. 17:51:03:27 He's still with me, and he's a
17:51:05:12 part of the program still. 17:51:06:15 He's been in my heart every day,
17:51:08:09 and the driving force of why I 17:51:10:12 come here.
17:51:13:06 >> Seeds for autism relies on 17:51:14:15 donations to keep going.
17:51:15:24 For more information on the 17:51:16:18 group's products, head to their
17:51:17:27 website, seedsforautism.org. 17:51:21:18 >>> Get the inside scoop on
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17:51:40:27 >>> We end tonight's program 17:51:42:00 with a look at a Mayes woman who
17:51:43:21 uses her love of words to create 17:51:45:15 custom art pieces out of
17:51:47:06 concrete. 17:51:49:00 Producer Shana Fischer has the
17:51:50:09 story. 17:51:51:18 >> Block by block, YOLANDA has
17:51:54:27 turned a simple home project 17:51:56:06 into a flourishing business.
17:51:58:24 >> Initially when I started, I 17:52:01:03 made a block with our last name
17:52:04:03 on it. 17:52:04:24 And I took it to a photo shoot
17:52:06:24 and the photographer really 17:52:08:12 liked it.
17:52:09:03 And she said, you ought to make 17:52:10:18 these and sell them.
17:52:11:21 And I just kind of -- 17:52:13:09 It's one of those things when
17:52:14:18 you're talking to someone, it 17:52:16:09 just sets in the back of my
17:52:18:09 head. 17:52:18:21 >> But it got her thinking, and
17:52:20:00 several years later she took the 17:52:21:18 plunge and started.
17:52:25:06 >> The materials I use are 17:52:26:06 basic.
17:52:27:00 Water, mortar, and cement. 17:52:28:18 I take that and then I pour it
17:52:30:18 into -- 17:52:31:27 Hand pour it into the mold, and
17:52:33:27 I smooth out the top of it. 17:52:36:24 I'll spray water on it if I need
17:52:38:03 it to get shinier, and go ahead 17:52:40:06 and use whatever I'm going to
17:52:44:09 stamp into the concrete. 17:52:45:15 It's never going to be the same,
17:52:47:03 because I obviously do it one at
17:52:49:06 a time. 17:52:49:27 So the finishes and the textures
17:52:52:09 and even the color, even though 17:52:53:15 it's always gray, is always
17:52:54:24 going to be varied depending on 17:52:56:27 the temperature outside, or if
I 17:52:58:15 put too much water, or too much
17:53:00:03 cement, or too much mortar or 17:53:01:24 not enough mortar, not enough
17:53:03:18 cement, not enough water. 17:53:04:24 It's always different.
17:53:05:18 It's never the same. 17:53:06:21 >> Working with concrete in
17:53:08:09 Arizona does present some 17:53:09:21 challenges.
17:53:10:21 >> I have to work very quickly. 17:53:14:06 In the sense that in Arizona
17:53:16:09 especially during the summer, 17:53:18:21 the concrete cures very quickly.
17:53:21:00 Whereas it's the winter time, I
17:53:23:12 have a couple of hours, if 17:53:24:21 somebody says, wait, that
17:53:25:24 doesn't look right, even if I 17:53:27:09 don't like it, I can go back and
17:53:28:27 start over. 17:53:30:12 >> Once the concrete is in the
17:53:31:21 mold, Yolanda uses her stamps to
17:53:34:00 create names. 17:53:35:09 Words.
17:53:36:09 Even quotes. 17:53:37:21 Pretty much anything a client
17:53:39:06 can dream up, Yolanda can do. 17:53:41:27 >> I really get a kick of people
17:53:43:15 when they walk up and you can 17:53:44:24 see their brain just going, wow,
17:53:47:03 I can do this, or I can do that. 17:53:49:27 What word I do want to do?
17:53:51:24 >> Words have always held a 17:53:52:21 special place in her heart.
17:53:54:15 A voracious reader since 17:53:56:09 childhood, when it came time to
17:53:57:24 name her business, she drew upon 17:53:59:15 that passion.
17:54:00:24 >> Well, I have great love of 17:54:03:24 words.
17:54:04:09 And language. 17:54:05:06 And so when I was trying to
17:54:07:00 think of a name for the company, 17:54:09:12 I looked around like different
17:54:12:12 languages and Greek is what I 17:54:16:00 ended up with.
17:54:17:09 So the word TOUVLO in the Greek 17:54:21:09 means brick.
17:54:22:15 >> And while she's proud she's 17:54:23:27 making a living with her blocks,
17:54:25:24 there's something else that 17:54:27:00 fuels her.
17:54:27:24 A piece of advice we can all 17:54:29:24 learn from.
17:54:31:03 >> Not so much for the money, or
17:54:33:27 oh, to be someone that's known. 17:54:37:06 I think it's just --
17:54:39:12 It's very simple to me, and I 17:54:41:03 don't even think of myself as
an 17:54:42:18 artist, I think of myself as
17:54:44:15 just somebody who likes to do 17:54:48:03 what I do.
17:54:50:15 >> The blocks can be found at 17:54:51:09 the Gilbert's farmers' market
or 17:54:54:18 visit her website to make a
17:54:56:03 custom order. 17:54:57:00 >>> Friday on "Arizona Horizon"
17:54:57:18 it's "The Journalists' Round 17:54:57:27 Table."
17:54:58:27 The first gubernatorial debate 17:55:00:18 between Doug Ducey and Fred
17:55:03:24 DUVAL is in the books and the 17:55:06:03 Arizona chamber of commerce and
17:55:07:06 industry endorse as democrat for 17:55:08:15 statewide office.
17:55:09:06 Those stories and more Friday on
17:55:10:21 "The Journalists' Round Table." 17:55:12:03 >>> That is it for now.
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17:57:47:12 Oh, my gosh! 17:57:48:18 >> I thought you would be very
17:57:49:18 happy to hear that. 17:57:50:24 >> Wow!
17:57:52:00 >> As collector, I'm a collector 17:57:53:21 too, we don't ever sell anything
17:57:55:09 do, we? 17:57:56:09 >> No.
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