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south so in other words uh... under the uh... whistleblower protection act and
it does not necessarily applies here although there is a military
whistleblower protection act heretofore
finds a whistle blowing as uh... as as
as as releasing information that you believe is indicative of criminal or
corruption that corrupt of activities and so what you're saying here is that
if i was to leave
release ten documents and only three of them indicated in uh... that uh...
tragedy would not necessarily mean that i hadn't been a whistle-blower
invites a process i show only one of those three documents uh... he would not
net and necessarily mean i was not a whistle-blower
theater here because anarchy aware
people
get into a contentious debate
uh... and so whistle-blower is actually a legal time
there are some who i've gotten into discussion where
are bothered by attaching that label because
under law
bank could not be considered
who was a lot
my response so that is
i think that the public
itself in in this country
should make that decision himself some after all the government
is making this
vision to go after its percent
and i think
uh... you can have
of the public
tactic
in term of the public opinion
manning
a little boiler
and that acting that something that
people in this country
alla and i i'm going to play with it
certainly that i have to be settled today
so that we fell after cute convicted in put into jail i'm sure people that that
be debating this question
many years
but uh... i think that after the statement it it shows
because he was doing research about the documents because he selected that
and new and he did not really
though all the information had access to there was much more
information that he could have really sticky
if he just wanted to
share everything that he had access to with wiki leaky certainly
comeback
but he did not see addict rational explanation for each set of documents
that was provided or or for the video that was provided
and i
to indicate
but it was a work out and let another contact
i don't know
if we have time to
fully get into it but but the other context that that i can't get past the
fact that are so many officials
uh... the previous administration under george w_ bush who
the court to about them
prosecuted
um... who have not been investigated fully
and are are enjoying impunity and i i look at what brightening is doing a
little all their squad of soldiers have have done
and that barricades of the current american some four
committing crimes
and those papers were bought
an active i felt itic bitter fight
that people
would walk more punishment
antonyms in prison for nine months
aquatic o
and the judge found he was unlawfully punished and then during that time he
was held in conditions of
voluntary confinement
but i think that i authored a larger context since you this
uh... yet you you don't think it was a vote them is that the other contact
stuff
it like that we are going after
if we're going to move forward and i look back
could we do it properly manage right
and in in and we should say at this point is their and he has there been a
in the uh...
has there been any shelling by the government anytime in any form
that the release of those documents uh... and uh...
the video has uh... materially impacted anyone's safety or
or harmed u_s_ security
there are no evidence presented a problem
hai
was that a panel of ads
where p *** riley the former state department spokesman president spoke
and the fed
armed and involved in the in the state department uh... i a you know that there
were the best and they had the shuffle around
people who were ambassadors
uh... and maybe even uh... remove some people from their jobs
uh... because
what was revealed in the cable showed that there were
backroom dealings going on but there were things that work
away at the end i think the channeling diplomacy was was not something that
other countries were approval of if they knew the full extent
uh... but they have not shown that any employment
uh... who were informing about the tell about aware
actual they have it show and anyone who had information revealed about them
what projected uh... it to inhumane treatment of anything that had killed
i know that there would be pure print journalist that have the full eva
that with the story
but o'leary if there were people who have died we would hear about that
avago it would make sure that we knew pep rally manning i've been responsible
for the death of someone and i have not heard about it yet
uh... now let's talk uh... briefly about
amend this amount of uh... of uh...
of of lack of coverage for that is that that is sort of
and these are new
more mountain of coverage of the lack of coverage
uh... i think uh...
short of yourself uh... intellectual brian who's going to join us on uh... on
this panel
and um... authored reporter
uh... uh...
uh... whose name escapes me forgive me uh...
it in a middle class while yes and uh... short of the three of you
uh... there has not been in the
reporters who
would have been covering this on a consistent day to day basis
aryavart that is correct that uh... bear there are only about three people who
are consistently
america seating
uh... i guess i would be a crayon abit uh... park stokely who is our uh...
courtroom sketch artists who have been doing
uh... good
sketch of the left included in my posts but he certainly has been banned by the
silly you know reporting giving people be
ect is that the best in fact stuff up
but he has been the case i would give him credit about these bigger
organizations like uh... the of the washington post
and and then
more significantly the new york times
which uh...
benefited
bombed publishing the information that wiki leaks had from manning
they won't
the new york times showed up for the first time in almost a year
uh... in december
of twenty twelve they weren't there at the beginning of than the major hearing
on
an extreme enact quantico
i which was a huge hearing
i'm a lot on for over two weeks
and there were between ten and twenty witnesses that
stand-in
they were all from the chain of command
was incredible
i mean there that the thoughts
this hearing with a story in another style
uh...
and uh...
they weren't there they showed up at the end because a public editor margaret
sullivan
to hai
really have deep admiration for
well q column
what why isn't the new york times they're covering
comment and i was very
important and i think it shamed them and got them to spend job there reporters
and so now they've been there
covering
uh... but
i really do have to point out that
i travel from chicago
elects a travels from new york city
adam travels from new york city as well
uh... people who have been covering this are people who actually lives
in washington d_c_ where are the journalists
who actually lived
in washington d_c_
and i would go ops title just itself and journalists
where the independent alternative journalists
could also be going that because i have to it
but it's relatively easy to get credential
i mean a credential big rally manning support network reporter
to cover and they didn't want to but they have because
backup filled to capacity so they might as well get everyone a credential that
wants to either in the media planner specializes i mean i don't know who the
last uh... individual in this country was charged with anything in a bad thing
uh... the enemy will
lair and uh... american
uh...
military law
or national security uh... personnel was charged with this but i mean you know if
if this is uh...
the person is uh... presumably to be tried for a capital fence the idea that
the uh... the the major media
uh... would not be covering this is sort of uses stunning to me what it what do
you think accounts for this
well i would also ask that that was amazing coverage but the releases
ako and particularly for the cables
uh... you could feel most wall to wall coverage from november thirtieth twenty
ten for you
the first couple weeks uh...
december well
the you you mentioned yourself that's still being used by the guardian uh...
newspaper and i think there is
literally on any given we can at least um... a number of accounts that
reference those cables and no longer even uh... reference them as the cables
as much as the sort of simply now it is uh... in the uh...
peter i guess in terms of our knowledge in certain instances
uh...
that's correct so *** mentioned that like here
sped talking to them today and have done that
end of the problem i have a threat
business there's nothing that like a lot of journalists
an establishment grandma comedies radiation they're doing it is one eight
drama coming when making their going to be a headline
fraternity or report
and that's not the way to do it because
there
his eight-year-old this whole process is cumulative
and if you want to couple days
and your show up and you're not really going to know
like reading litigated and there is that
at that track
i mean did speak back complicated
i wired but this one anemic
uh... which are in your prime
his excuse was that this is a pretrial process
and we wouldn't uh... you go up
you into the creek cover that
i don't think that's particularly true and i spoke to us
ira rap without who who who
developed post about
the media coverage in any in here
isn't working with p_b_s_ frontline and
and uh...
and he and i will book
agreed that this doesn't seem to be about excuse to
uh... that the pretrial proceedings for the nine eleven terrified specs at
guantanamo
there
they are not the coverage media
made me she reviewed
alleged to have bombed you at the call
his pre trial proceeding is getting a lot of coverage
um...
or for that so one diagram in any state
and i thought i could
um... heard no valid exploration i think that we could try to find one but we're
not going to find one
like um... let me just ask you uh... just uh... what just touch on you have
uh... dealing in
into a of lawsuit is that correct
that's correct
uh... tell us about that you from
you have
you have you and i think uh... elects or brian
uh... and and others um...
our plaintiffs in a lawsuit uh... tell us what that uh... that that that
lawsuit is
excel
currently uh... you when you ship when you show up to report uh... burly man
inproceedings
they're not given any copies of court records though we're talking about
judges' orders
writing about this
stadiums
in the proceedings
uh... motions
from the defense
or the government
but are not candid to by any of the people who are taking chair
and the reason is because the them a military upon
as i did
decided that they'll keep the secret anti clockwise marshall cases
you're not given access two records
on the preceding and only five minutes to be
just the way that they're doing that makes it hard to cover the preceding and
air it ethically
goes to undermining press preamp
when you get down to it
and thought signed onto
uh... this lawsuit being brought by the fed up a constitutional right other
plaintiffs that are on the included the name of the netbook greenwald
archery you know let the nation any good men of democracy now
even wiki leaks and jillian if i'm sure
unnamed
she with budgets made i read a book passion of bradley manning
all these individuals
uh... election and i agree with actually done the reporting
written declaration and describe
uh... what it's like you actually uh... bill and uh... report there and how
that you can't uh...
typically out when you're sitting there you have to struggle to keep up with the
judge because when she went to the ruling
she read about one hundred navy words per minute which is almost impossible to
keep up especially when boat ruling sake
an hour to an hour and a half to read that has been the case with the very
important rulings about
its treatment at quantico or whether a speedy trial right had been violated by
you issue to the american here this p traveling it was left alphabet agencies
and uh... along with a laundry list of
that you could not uh... keep up with q accurately report cheer the public
what was being read
uh... that uh...
we just got a amanda a couple minutes your and and uh... you know the delegate
on a plane
uh... but just to give me a sense uh... tomorrow again to remind people uh...
uh... be moderating a panel which should be a part of it
as well as with the repeated jones daughter of the uh... slander impede
weekly activist celexa o'brien and peter hart uh... well what do you think is one
of the more important things and do that you come out at that panel tomorrow
uh... having he will shoot yest understand that
manning case
part of
uh...
uh... i think that represent but the fact that there has been uh... certain
level flawless net
and impunity that now at this in this country and one other thing that most
bothers me about the pursuit
appellee manning an and the way people there that comet and this country who
want to keep justice
it really bothered me that people one justice for him but then they don't want
your pitch for other people who i think it committed
worse crime and
and i just put it that way because i think
you have to you allowed this sort of thing if you happen to have to accept
that it will happen that people inside the agency the employee are going to
really information
if they can see that uh... those agencies oracle within the military
cover-ups calling on or or that certain individuals are not going to be
allentown double or te maybe in the paper vote of the street in person who's
taking a higher position in the c_i_a_ at in
as twilight torture tapes you got a promotion uh... so it's like
i think that's the big thing that you'll need to focus on the flight your context
of the unique object about banning but who really do you have this
bigger thing going on here in this country of evolved not being able to
take care of individuals who have committed crimes and government and
actually hold them accountable
candice often firedoglake asunto joining us in uh... we'll see you tomorrow night