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>> HI EVERYONE.
WELCOME TO "INTERCHANGE."
I'M DAN JONES.
THANKS FOR JOINING US.
GOOD STUFF TO TALK ABOUT TODAY.
WHY HAVE THERE BEEN SO MANY
MURDERS AND SHOOTINGS IN
MILWAUKEE RECENTLY, AND WHAT
SHOULD BE DONE ABOUT IT?
ALSO, HAVE THE DEMOCRATS FOUND A
GOOD CANDIDATE TO PUT UP AGAINST
SCOTT WALKER NEXT YEAR?
AND HOW ABOUT THE "WASHINGTON
POST" BEING PURCHASED BY A
HIGH-TECH BILLIONAIRE?
LET ME INTRODUCE EVERYONE.
YOU KNOW JOEL MCNALLY, LONGTIME
NEWSPAPER COLUMNIST.
AND KEVIN FISCHER, FORMER
BROADCAST JOURNALIST, POLITICAL
ANALYST AND SOMETIMES A FILL-IN
HOST OVER ON WISN TALK RADIO.
WE HAVE DENISE CALLAWAY,
COMMUNICATIONS AND PUBLIC
RELATIONS PROFESSIONAL.
AND GERARD RANDALL, EDUCATION
CONSULTANT AND LOCAL JOB
CREATION EXPERT.
RICK HOROWITZ WILL BE ALONG WITH
COMMENTARY AT THE END OF THE
SHOW.
LET'S TALK FIRST ABOUT VIOLENT
CRIME IN MILWAUKEE.
IN JUST THE LAST WEEK, THERE
HAVE BEEN EIGHT MURDERS.
THERE HAVE BEEN NEARLY TWO DOZEN
SHOOTINGS.
THE ESCALATION OF GUN VIOLENCE
HAS THE MAYOR AND POLICE CHIEF
DEMANDING TOUGH NEW GUN CONTROL
LAWS FROM MADISON.
THEY ALSO WANT THE STATE TO CHIP
IN HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF
DOLLARS SO MILWAUKEE CAN PUT
MORE COPS ON THE STREETS.
LAST YEAR, MILWAUKEE SPENT
$14 MILLION ON POLICE OVERTIME
ALONE.
ARE THESE ALL JUST BAND-AID
APPROACHES TO A MUCH-BIGGER
PROBLEM?
OR IS IT ALL WE CAN DO?
>> NO, IT'S A BAND-AID APPROACH
TO A MUCH BIGGER PROBLEM, BUT
THAT DOESN'T MEAN HOW WE TRY TO
FIGURE OUT QUITE FRANKLY HOW WE
MAKE IT THROUGH THIS SUMMER.
THE PROBLEM AND WHAT WE'RE
SEEING LEAR IS A PROLIFERATION
OF GUNS, EASY ACCESS TO BOTH
LEGAL AND ILLEGAL SALES AND
PURCHASES OF GUNS, AND THAT IS
WHAT IS CAUSING THIS PROBLEM.
GUNS ARE SO PROLIFIC IN CERTAIN
PARTS OF THIS CITY THAT IT'S
EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHEN THEY HAVE
A DISAGREEMENT WITH SOMEONE WHO
PICK UP A GUN RATHER THAN TO HIT
SOMEBODY WITH THEIR FIST.
WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN THIS
COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT
THERE ARE GOING TO BE PEOPLE ON
THIS PANEL WHO DISAGREE WITH ME,
BUT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THIS
COMMUNITY RIGHT NOW IS THE BEST
EXAMPLE THAT I CAN THINK OF THAT
REALLY TELLS US THAT WE HAVE GOT
TO TAKE SOME SERIOUS STEPS,
LEGISLATIVELY TO CONTROL ACCESS
TO WEAPONS.
IF WE DID NOT HAVE HALL HIS
WEAPONS IN -- ALL THESE WEAPONS
IN OUR COMMUNITY, WE WOULD NOT
BE SEEING THE AMOUNT OF GUN
VIOLENCE THAT WE'RE SEEING AND
THE IDEA THAT SOMEHOW, YOU HELP
THE LARGEST STAKES IN THIS CITY,
THAT WE CAN'T COME UP SOMEWHERE
WITH $500,000 TO BE ABLE TO MAKE
SURE THE STREETS OF THIS CITY
ARE SAFE FOR ITS CITIZENS, I
THINK IS IMPORTANT.
>> KEVIN, ARE ANY OF THE PEOPLE
THAT ARE COMMITTING THESE GUN
CRIMES, ARE THEY GOING TO BE
AFFECTED AT ALL BY ANY NEW TOUGH
GUN LAWS, OR ARE THOSE JUST
IGNORED BY THE CRIMINAL ELEMENT?
>> THEY COULD BE AFFECTED IF WE
CLAMP DOWN -- EXECUTE THE LAWS
THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ON THE
BOOKS, AND AGGRESSIVELY ARREST
AND PUNISH THE PERPETRATORS OF
GUN VIOLENCE.
NOW, THERE'S SOME AGREEMENT
HERE, POLITICALLY BETWEEN CITY
HALL AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND
THE STATE LEGISLATURE AND THE
GOVERNOR.
THE CITY OFFICIALS HELD A PRESS
CONFERENCE THIS WEEK AND CALLED
FOR MAXIMUM MINIMUM SENTENCING
AND I THINK THERE'S AGREEMENT
THERE, AND THE BILL IS BEING
DRAFTED AS WE SIT HERE TONIGHT,
IN THIS STUDIO, AND THAT WOULD
GO A LONG WAY, IF YOU'RE GOING
TO GET TOUGHER WITH THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE COMMITTING GUN VIOLENCE,
THAT WILL HAVE AN IMPACT.
WHAT I DON'T WANT TO HEAR LATER
DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE DO ENACT
THIS TOUGH LEGISLATION, AND
START HANDING OUT TOUGHER
PENALTIES, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR
DOWN THE ROAD PEOPLE SAYING,
WELL, NOW YOU'RE ONLY ARRESTING
A CERTAIN FACTION AND THE SYSTEM
IS STILL CORRUPT AND IT'S RACIST
AND WE'RE LOCKING UP TOO MANY
PEOPLE AND MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE
ALTERNATIVES TO INCARCERATION,
SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT
ROUTE, OK, LET'S DO SO, BUT THEN
LET'S ALSO TALK, DENISE TALKS
ABOUT THE GUNS, LET'S ALSO TALK
ABOUT SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS
THAT ARE LEADING TO THIS GUN
VIOLENCE, TO THE VIOLENCE THAT
WE'RE HAVING THIS SUMMER AS WE
BASICALLY HAVE EVERY SUMMER.
AND THAT'S JOBS, EDUCATION, A
TROUBLED SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE
BROKEN DOWN FAMILY.
I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR OUR MAYOR
AND OUR POLICE CHIEF TALK ABOUT
THAT AS WELL, AND NOT JUST
CLAMMING DOWN ON GUNS.
>> SO LET'S SAY I'M A LAWMAKER
IN EAU CLAIRE, WISCONSIN.
WHY SHOULD I VOTE FOR $500,000
TO GO TO MILWAUKEE?
ISN'T THAT MILWAUKEE'S PROBLEM?
>> BECAUSE YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR
IT BECAUSE PEOPLE BEING MURDERED
IN MILWAUKEE ARE PART OF
WISCONSIN.
PEOPLE ARE BEING MURDERED IN
WISCONSIN.
THAT'S WHY THE GOVERNOR WALKER
INSTEAD OF TAKING RESOURCES AWAY
FROM THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE, AS
HE CONSISTENTLY HAS BEEN DOING,
SHOULDN'T HESITATE, AS DENISE
SAID.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE DIE, THESE ARE
YOUR PEOPLE.
HE CAN'T CLAIM BECAUSE HE LIVES
A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY FROM
MILWAUKEE THAT THESE SOMEHOW
AREN'T HIS PROBLEM.
OR ARE NOT THE PROBLEM -- IS NOT
THE PROBLEM OF THE STATE OF
WISCONSIN AND INSTEAD OF TAKING
RESOURCE AWAY FROM MILWAUKEE,
SHOULD BE COMMITTING RESOURCES
TO MILWAUKEE.
WHAT REALLY DISAPPOINTS ME,
ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING KEVIN
SAID.
THERE IS AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE
MAYOR AND THE POLICE CHIEF AND
THE GOVERNOR AND THE LEGISLATURE
ON MANDATORY MINIMUM SENTENCES,
LOCK PEOPLE UP FOR FIXED LONG
PERIODS OF TIME.
WE'RE DOING THAT.
DO YOU KNOW THAT?
YOU KNOW, THERE ARE -- THERE ARE
ENHANCEMENTS ON SENTENCING EVERY
TIME A GUN IS USED, WHETHER IT'S
UNDER FEDERAL LAW OR STATE LAW,
THAT IS ALL WE HAVE EVER DONE IS
LOCK UP PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW,
COMMIT CRIMES WITH GUNS.
IT WON'T CHANGE A THING TO MAKE,
YOU KNOW, THEY'RE TRYING TO GET
RID OF MANDATORY MINIMUMS AT THE
FEDERAL LEVEL, BECAUSE WHAT THAT
DOES IS TAKE THE JUDGMENT AWAY
FROM JUDGES, NOT ALLOW THEM TO
CONSIDER INDIVIDUAL CASES, NOT
ALLOW THEM TO CONSIDER ANY
CIRCUMSTANCES, BUT JUST MAKE IT
ACROSS-THE-BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND
ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE UNJUSTLY GET
SENT AWAY FOR LONG, LONG PERIODS
OF TIME, BECAUSE THEY'RE SOMEHOW
IN THE VICINITY OF A CRIME WITH
A GUN.
BUT YOU KNOW, SO ALL WE'RE DOING
IS WHAT WE'VE EVER DONE AND
ODDLY ENOUGH, WHAT KEVIN JUST
SAID IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE
NEED TO CONCENTRATE ON
EDUCATION, WE NEED TO
CONCENTRATE ON JOBS, WE NEED TO
CONCENTRATE ON THE THINGS THAT
WE HAVEN'T BEEN DOING.
>> IT'S GOT TO BE PART OF THE --
>> THE INCARCERATION, WE'VE BEEN
DOING AND OVERDOING FOR SO LONG,
LET'S START TALKING ABOUT
COMMITTING RESOURCES SO THAT
PEOPLE AREN'T SO DESPERATE AND
DON'T FEEL THAT THEY HAVE ANY
OTHER CHOICES BUT TO, YOU KNOW,
ENGAGE IN DEADLY CRIMES, WHERE
THEY'RE KILLING EACH OTHER.
>> YOU KNOW, JOEL ALWAYS SAYS,
YOU CALL THE POLICE AFTER THE
CRIME HAS BEEN COMMITTED.
SO IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
CRIME, AS WE ARE RIGHT NOW, DOES
IT MAKE ANY SENSE TO PUT MORE
POLICE OFFICERS ON THE STREET,
OR MORE INTO POLICE OVER TIME,
IS THAT GOING TO AFFECT THE
CRIME ANYWAY?
IS THAT GOING TO STOP THE
SHOOTING?
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT'S BEEN
MISSING IN ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN
ACCORDSATED APPROACH TO A --
COORDINATED APPROACH TO
ADDRESSING THE PROBLEM.
JOBS ARE AN ISSUE, HOW WE WORK
WITH YOUNG PEOPLE, THAT'S AN
ISSUE.
HOW WE KEEP THEM FROM GETTING
INTO THE ADULT JUSTICE SYSTEM
HAS NOT BEEN ADDRESSED.
WE KNOW WHERE THE HOT SPOTS ARE
IN THIS COMMUNITIES.
WE DON'T HAVE A BLOCK BY BLOCK
APPROACH TO DEALING WITH THE
PROBLEMS THAT HAPPEN ON THOSE
BLOCKS, SHORT OF SAYING IF A KID
IS STANDING AROUND ON A CORNER,
WE'RE GOING TO PICK THEM UP FOR
LOITERING, OR WE'RE GOING TO GET
THEM FOR A NOISE VIOLATION.
I THINK BETWEEN THE SOCIAL
WORKERS AND THE PROBATION
OFFICERS, THE PAROLE OFFICERS,
WE ALREADY KNOW WHO'S ON WHAT
BLOCKS, WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES
ARE, WHETHER OR NOT THEY NEED TO
GET IN TO SOME TYPE OF WORKFORCE
TRAINING, WHETHER OR NOT THEY
NEED TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL,
WHETHER OR NOT IF THEY'RE YOUNG
PEOPLE, THEY OUGHT TO BE IN
SCHOOL WHEN THEY'RE SITTING OUT
ON THESE PORCHES IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE DAY ON A SCHOOL DAY.
THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS
THAT IF WE TOOK A BLOCK BY BLOCK
COORDINATED APPROACH AND
ADDRESSED THOSE PROBLEMS HEAD
ON, WE WOULD GO A LONG WAY
TOWARDS SOLVING SOME OF THOSE
THINGS THAT COME OUT ON THE END
LIKE PEOPLE USING GUNS THAT
OUGHT NOT HAVE A GUN IN THEIR
POSSESSION.
>> YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY
AGREES WITH THAT.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYBODY ON
THIS PANEL THAT DOESN'T DISAGREE
THAT THIS IS NOT SIMPLY A MATTER
OF GUNS, BUT WE ARE ALSO DEALING
IN A SITUATION WHERE RIGHT NOW,
THE CRITICAL ISSUE THAT WE HAVE
IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO
MAKE THE STREETS OF MILWAUKEE
SAFE THIS SUMMER.
THANK A LOOK AT THE LONG TERM,
BUT BOY, WE DON'T ADDRESS THE
SHORT-TERM PROBLEM, WE'RE GOING
TO BE TALKING NEXT WEEK AND NEXT
WEEK AND NEXT WEEK ABOUT JUST A
PARADE OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE LOST
THEIR LIVES BECAUSE OF GUN
VIOLENCE.
>> DENISE, WE CAN LOOK AT ONE OF
THE REALITIES, WHEN KIDS ARE NOT
IN SCHOOL, PARTICULARLY DURING
THOSE HOURS WHEN SCHOOL LET'S
OUT, THOSE ARE HIGH MOMENTS FOR
CRIMES ESPECIALLY BURGLARIES
TAKING PLACE.
>> AGREED.
>> WE HAVEN'T ADDRESSED THOSE
REALITIES.
THE TASK PROGRAM WAS ONE
RESPONSE TO IT, BECAUSE THAT DID
AT LEAST CONNECT WITH THE
SCHOOLS.
UNFORTUNATELY, THAT PROGRAM HAS
BEEN WOEFULLY UNDERFUNDED AND
UNDERSTAFFED.
>> WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS
RIGHT NOW THIS SUMMER AND THAT'S
WHAT WE'VE GOT TO BE ABLE TO
ADDRESS RIGHT NOW AND THAT'S WHY
ASKING PUTTING ADDITIONAL COPS
ON THE STREET RIGHT NOW THROUGH
OVERTIME IS A WAY WE HAVE TO BE
ABLE TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE.
>> THE CITY HAS THE MONEY, IT
REALLY DOES.
ACT 10 SAVED THE CITY OF
MILWAUKEE $25 MILLION, SO IF THE
CITY --
>> IF THE CITY WANTS TO DO
SOMETHING RIGHT NOW, IT CAN, IF
IT WANT TO.
ALL RIGHT, NEXT TOPIC.
>> THE WISCONSIN MEDIA AND THE
DEMOCRAT PARTY KEEP FLOATING
WEALTHY MADISON SCHOOL BOARD
MEMBER MAY BURKE AS THE MOST
LIKELY CANDIDATE TO TAKE ON
GOVERNOR SCOTT WALKER NEXT YEAR.
SHE COMES FROM TREK BICYCLE
MONEY AND WAS AN EXECUTIVE
THERE.
HER DADS STARTED THE COMPANY.
SHE'S GOT DEGREES FROM
GEORGETOWN AND HARVARD.
SHE'S A FORMER STATE SECRETARY
OF COMMERCE.
SHE'S GOT AN IMPRESSIVE RESUME,
BUT COULD SHE BEAT SCOTT WALKER?
SHE'S NOT TALKING TOO MUCH.
IF SHE DECIDES TO GET IN, COULD
SHE BEAT WALKER, ANY CHANCE?
>> WELL, SURE, THERE'S A CHANCE.
I THINK IF SHE TAKES THIS TIME
TO USE HER RESOURCES TO DEFINE
HERSELF BEFORE SHE GETS DEFINED,
AND I DO BELIEVE THAT SHE'S
GOING TO GET DEFINED PRETTY
QUICKLY ONCE IT BECOMES CLEAR
THAT ALL OF THE FORCES IN THE
DEMOCRATIC PARTY HAVE MARSHALED
BEHIND HER AND IT WON'T BE
PRETTY.
SO YOU KNOW, SHE COULD USE HER
MONEY TO DEFINE HERSELF BEFORE
THAT HAPPENS, SHE COULD USE HER
MONEY TO TRY TO DEFINE GOVERNOR
WALKER AT A TIME WHEN SHE'LL
ALREADY BE EMBATTLED.
OR SHE COULD TAKE THE TIME NOW
TO GET OUT AHEAD OF WHAT'S GOING
TO BE AN AWFULLY NASTY BATTLE BY
HAVING THE REST OF THE PARTY
COALESCE BEHIND HER.
IT'S STILL A 50/50 STATE.
I'M NOT THE ONE THAT'S GOING TO
SAY IT WILL BE A CAKE WALK FOR
WALKER.
IT'S GOING TO BE A HARD, HARD
BATTLE AND AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY
SPENT AND RESOURCES COMING IN
FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY ON
BOTH SIDES.
TO ENGAGE THIS POLITICAL WAR.
>> YOU KNOW, WHEN RON JOHNSON
GOT INTO THE SENATE RACE, A LOT
OF PEOPLE SAID NOBODY KNOWS WHO
HE IS.
HE CAN'T WIN.
HE USED HIS MONEY TO DO WHAT
GERARD SAID.
HE DEFINED HIMSELF.
>> EXACTLY.
AND THAT SERIES OF COMMERCIALS
HE RAN, I WAS IMPRESSED BY.
HE'S TURNED OUT TO BE JUST A
TERRIBLE SENATOR, BUT THOSE
COMMERCIALS WERE GREAT.
I MEAN, THEY REALLY WERE.
THEY MADE HIM LOOK KINDLY, THEY
MADE HIM LOOK LIKE HE WAS ON TOP
OF BUSINESS, HE KNEW ABOUT
CREATING JOBS.
ALL THE STUFF, HE'S DONE A LOUSY
JOB SINCE HE'S BEEN IN THE
SENATE, AND MARY BURKE, AS YOU
SAY, ON PAPER, SHE HAS STRENGTH
IN AREAS WHERE WALK ARE IS
PARTICULARLY WEAK -- JOBS,
BECAUSE OF BEING COMMERCE
SECRETARY, BECAUSE OF BEING A
BUSINESS PERSON, EDUCATION,
WHICH HE'S ALIENATED, YOU KNOW,
TEACHERS AND EDUCATION DISTRICTS
ALL OVER THE STATE.
WOMEN'S ISSUES.
GOOD GOD, BY ALLOWING THE
EXTREME RIGHT POLITICALLY AND
THE, YOU KNOW, NASTY OLD WHITE
MEN BEATING UP ON WOMEN'S RIGHTS
IN MADISON, YOU KNOW, HE'S
ALIENATED LOTS OF PEOPLE ON
THOSE ISSUES, SO ABSOLUTELY, SHE
HAS A LOT OF STRENGTHS AND SHE
DOES HAVE THE MONEY TO DO
EXACTLY WHAT RON JOHNSON DID.
THE FACT THAT NO ONE KNOWS WHO
SHE IS NOW, BELIEVE ME, THAT
DOESN'T MATTER, BECAUSE NOBODY
IS VOTING RIGHT NOW ANYWAY.
I REALLY REJECT THIS IDEA THAT A
LOT OF PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO
MAKE, WHAT SOMEHOW IS A SCOTT
WALKER INVINCEBLE BECAUSE HE NOT
ONLY WON HIS ELECTION, BUT BEAT
THE RECALL.
THERE ARE WHOLE LOTS OF PEOPLE
VOTED, YOU KNOW, NOT TO RECALL
HIM, BECAUSE THEY JUST THOUGHT
IT WAS UNFAIR TO, YOU KNOW,
THROW SOMEONE OUT OF OFFICE
AFTER ONLY A YEAR, BUT IF HE'S
HAD A FULL TERM AND WE'RE DOING
AS LOUSY IN JOBS AS HE'S BEEN
DOING SO FAR, WHEN HE'S UP FOR
REELECTION, HE'S GOING TO BE
VERY VULNERABLE.
HE ALREADY HAS 50% LESS
APPROVAL.
>> WOULD SHE BE A BETTER
CANDIDATE AGAINST BARRETT THAN
SCOTT WALKER?
>> WELL, TOM BARRETT LOST A
COUPLE TIMES TO SCOTT WALKER, SO
I DON'T THINK YOU WANT TO RUN
TOM BARRETT AGAIN.
MARY BURKE IS TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY FOR ONE REASON AND
THAT IS THE BANK ROLL.
I MEAN, SHE'S JUST A LOCAL
SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER, WHO WON HER
RACE BY SPENDING $128,000 OF HER
OWN MONEY IN A LOCAL SCHOOL
BOARD RACE.
NOW, SHE CAN OPEN UP HER OWN
COFFERS AND TOSS OUT MILLIONS OF
DOLLARS, IF SHE DECIDES TO RUN.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REASON RIGHT
NOW THAT SHE IS TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY.
>> OH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
>> I THINK THAT SHE'S LESS
ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE RUN THAN
PEOPLE WHO ARE TRYING TO GET HER
TO THROW HER HAT INTO THE RING.
AND I LISTENED TO THE LEFTIES ON
THE BLOGS AND ONE OF THEM SAID,
YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S OUR -- IF
THAT'S OUR CANDIDATE, AND
QUOTING THIS BLOGGER, WE'RE
SCREWED.
AND THERE'S QUITE A DIFFERENCE
OF OPINION AMONGST LEFTIES ABOUT
HER.
SOME SAY SHE DOESN'T HAVE A
CHANCE, SHE DOESN'T HAVE A
PRAYER.
SOME SAY SHE IS NOT LEFTIE
ENOUGH.
SO I THINK THAT THEY'RE GOING TO
HAVE TO -- IF THE DEMOCRATS
REALLY WANT TO FIND A SERIOUS
CANDIDATE, SHE'S NOT IT, THE
LEFT IS ACTUALLY CATAPULTED
SCOTT WALKER TO AN INTERNATIONAL
STAR NOW, WITH INCREDIBLE
CREDIBILITY, WHO CAN RAISE MONEY
AT THE DROP OF A HAT FROM ALL 50
STATES, SO YOU WANT TO TALK
ABOUT MARY BURKE'S MONEY.
WELL, SCOTT WALKER IS GOING TO
HAVE ACCESS TO MONEY TOO.
>> WOULD YOU BE FOOLISH TO GET
IN TO A RACE AGAINST SCOTT
WALKER WHEN HE HAS BECOME A
NATIONAL FIGURE?
HE RAISES MILLIONS OF DOLLARS,
GOING ACROSS THE COUNTRY,
THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HIM,
WHETHER YOU LIKE HIM OR NOT AS A
POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE,
WOULD YOU BE FOOLISH TO GET
MR. TO A RACE AGAINST -- INTO A
RACE AGAINST SOMEBODY IN THAT
POSITION?
>> YOU WOULD BE FOOLISH TO THINK
ALL MARY BURKE BRINGS TO THE
TABLE IS SHE IS A MADISON SCHOOL
BOARD MEMBER.
NOT THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG
WITH BEING A SCHOOL BOARD
MEMBER, BUT YOU WOULD BE FOOLISH
TO SELL HER AS JUST SOMEONE WHO
DOES THAT.
SHE IS AN INCREDIBLY BRIGHT
WOMAN, EXTREMELY ACCOMPLISHED,
SHE KNOWS BUSINESS LIKE NOBODY
ELSE DOES.
AT LEAST WITH THE CANDIDATES
WE'VE HEARD MENTIONED.
IF YOU COMPARE HER KNOWLEDGE OF
BUSINESS TO -- AND WHAT IT TAKES
TO CREATE JOBS.
I MEAN, IT'S INTERESTING.
REPUBLICANS TALKED ABOUT THE
FACT THAT WE NEED JOB CREATORS,
JOB CREATORS.
THAT'S WHAT MARY BURKE IS.
SHE'S A JOB CREATOR, SOMEBODY
THAT KNOWS HOW TO RUN A COMPANY,
SHE'S SOMEONE WHO KNOWS HOW TO
CREATE JOBS AND A WOMAN WHO IS
VERY BRIGHT AND VERY INTELLIGENT
AND SHE CERTAINLY HAS A LOT OF
EXPERTISE IN A NUMBER OF
DIFFERENT AREAS.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S FOOLISH
FOR HER TO CONSIDER THAT AT ALL.
I MEAN, WE LIVE IN A DEMOCRACY,
WE HAVE TWO STRONG NATIONAL
PARTIES, AND THE IDEA IS THAT
THE PARTIES IDENTIFY THE BEST
CANDIDATES THAT THEY THINK WILL
BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THE NEEDS OF
THE PEOPLE IN A COMMUNITY, AND
THEY RUN THEM.
SO I THINK IT MAKES ABSOLUTE
SENSE FOR HER TO DO WHAT SHE'S
DOING RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, SHE'S
A VERY SMART PERSON, SHE IS A
WOMAN WHO HAS BEEN WORKING IN A
FIELD DOMINATED BY MEN.
SHE IS VERY TOUGH.
SHE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE'S
ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT SHE WANT TO
DO THIS, BECAUSE SHE KNOWS IT'S
GOING DONE A BLOOD BATH.
>> BUT DEMOCRATS WHO WANT HER TO
RUN ARE SAYING, THEY ARE SAYING
INTERNALLY, THAT THEY WISH SHE
WOULD GET INTO THE GAME THAT
IT'S ALMOST --
>> IT'S WAY TOO EARLY.
>> IT'S WAY TOO EARLY.
SHE'S DOING IT EXACTLY RIGHT.
>> WAY TOO EARLY.
>> BECAUSE YOU NEED TO START
WAGING CAMPAIGN AND GETTING
DONORS AND --
>> NOBODY IS PAYING ATTENTION.
>> WHAT IF SHE SAYS NO?
WHAT IF SHE SAYS NO.
>> THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION,
BECAUSE THERE IS NO CANDIDATE B
AND NOW YOU'RE IN TROUBLE,
BECAUSE --
>> I DON'T THINK SHE WANT TO GET
INTO IT AS MUCH AS THE PEOPLE
WHO ARE TRYING TO GET INTO IT.
>> IF SHE'S GOING TO BE THE ONE,
THEN FRANKLY, SHE'S GOT TIME.
BUT IF SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE THE
ONE, --
>> THAT'S NOT WHAT DEMOCRATS ARE
SAYING.
>> FRANKLY --
>> THEY'RE SAYING GET IN THE
GAME NOW.
>> WE ALL KNOW KEVIN'S BEST
FRIEND IS A DEMOCRAT.
>> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO THE
CANDIDATE IS.
IF BY OCTOBER, THERE'S NOT A
CLEAR NOMINEE --
>> I THINK THAT IS AN ARTIFICIAL
DEADLINE.
>> IT'S NOT ARTIFICIAL, BECAUSE
YOU'VE GOT TO RAISE MONEY AND IF
IT'S NOT HER, SOMEBODY HAS TO
COME IN THAT HAS THE ABILITY TO
RAISE ENOUGH MONEY FOR THE
PARTY.
>> WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STRONG
CANDIDATE.
>> IF IT'S HER, IT'S A DIFFERENT
EQUATION.
>> HAVE YOU NOTICED, OTHER THAN
MARY BURKE, WHO IS PLAYING IT
VERY CLOSE TO THE VEST, WHAT
DEMOCRAT IS OUT THERE, ITCHING
TO GET IN THIS RACE?
>> BRETT HALSEY.
>> LET HIM COP.
THERE'S NO SERIOUS DEMOCRAT WHO
IS SAYING I WANT MY SHOT AT
SCOTT WALKER.
THAT'S VERY REVEALING.
>> NEXT TOPIC.
>> PEOPLE WERE PRETTY SHOCKED
THE OTHER DAY WHEN IT WAS
ANNOUNCED THAT BILLIONAIRE
AMAZON.COM FOUNDER JEFF BEZOS
WAS BUYING THE RESPECTED
"WASHINGTON POST" NEWSPAPER.
LOTS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THIS.
IF NEWSPAPERS ARE A DYING
INDUSTRY, WHY DOES THIS HIGH
TECH GUY WANT ONE?
AND IF IT'S A GOOD THING, WOULD
IT ALSO BE A GOOD THING IF
SOMEONE LIKE THE CONSERVATIVE
KOCH BROTHERS ANNOUNCE THE NEXT
WEEK THAT THEY'RE BUYING THE
"NEW YORK TIMES"?
WHAT DO YOU THINK, JOEL?
YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS
BUSINESS THAN ANYBODY HERE.
>> WELL, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT,
NEWSPAPERS ARE A DYING INDUSTRY.
THE ON-LINE INFORMATION INDUSTRY
IS A BOOMING INDUSTRY, AND THIS
COMBINATION OF YOU KNOW, WHAT
REALLY IS, YOU KNOW, EITHER THE
FIRST OR SECOND NATIONAL
NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA, BEING
HOOKED UP WITH A REAL INNOVATOR
ON LINE, NEWSPAPERS KNOW THAT
THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE
OUT A WAY TO MAKE MONEY ON LINE.
THEY HAVEN'T TOTALLY FIGURED
THAT OUT YET.
BUT IF ANYBODY CAN FIGURE IT
OUT, IT'S JEFF BEZOS, AND
THIS -- YOU KNOW, THE
"WASHINGTON POST," BECAUSE IT'S
IN WASHINGTON, AND EVERY
NATIONAL LEADER READS IT, AND
EVERYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTRY
THAT WANTS TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING
ON, READS THE "TIMES" AND THE
POST, YOU KNOW --
>> AND THE "WALL STREET
JOURNAL."
>> AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE
HAVE TO SAVE SOME OF THE BEST,
AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE BEST
HOPE OF SAVING THAT -- MAYBE
THAT PAPER, BUT MAYBE THE
NEWSPAPER INDUSTRY ITSELF.
THERE ARE GOING TO BE WAYS AND
THIS GUY IS GOING TO FIND SOME
WAYS.
>> THE BEZOS FORMULA IS WHAT
SHOULD BE AT LEAST SERIOUSLY
CONSIDERED BY EVERY MAJOR
NEWSPAPER IN AMERICA.
BEZOS WAS VERY PATIENT, DECIDED
TO FAVOR LONG-TERM INVESTMENTS
OVER SHORT-TERM PROFITS AND IT
WAS PAINFUL FOR A LONG, LONG
TIME, BUT LOOK WHAT'S HAPPENED
NOW.
THE MINDSET OF MOST NEWSPAPER
PUBLISHERS IS, WE'VE GOT TO STOP
THE BLEED, WE'VE GOT TO STOP
THIS REDUCTION IN CIRCULATION,
SO WHAT HAPPENS?
YOU LAY OFF PEOPLE, YOU LAY
OFF --
>> THEY'RE DOING IT ALL WRONG.
>> IN 2007, NEWSROOM JOBS
NUMBERED OVER 52,000.
IT'S DOWN TO 38,000 NOW.
YOU HAVE TO PRODUCE A PRODUCT,
MORE NEWS, NOT LESS, MORE
INFORMATION NOT LESS, AND A
PRODUCT THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING
TO PAY FOR AND NEWSPAPERS TODAY
STILL HAVE NOT FIGURED THAT OUT.
>> SO HE WILL FIGURE OUT A WAY,
YOU THINK, TO MAKE AN ON-LINE
VERSION MAKE MONEY, BUT DOES IT
SAVE THE DEAD TREE VERSION THAT
COMES TO YOUR HOUSE OR NOT?
>> I THINK MORE AND MORE OF WHAT
WE'RE Z I'LL BE SURPRISED IF
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, WE'RE
REALLY TALKING ABOUT A LOT --
MOST MAJOR PAPERS BEING PRINT
PAPERS.
I REALLY JUST DON'T SEE THAT.
THAT IS NOT A SUSTAINABLE
BUSINESS MODEL.
SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY, I THINK
BOTH KEVIN AND JOEL ARE RIGHT.
IF THERE'S ANYONE WHO CAN THINK
AND FIND A WAY TO MAKE THAT
ON-LINE PIECE PROFITABLE, THIS
IS THE GUY.
THE PROBLEM IS, WHEN NEWSPAPERS
GOT INTO THE ON-LINE BUSINESS,
IT WAS AS IF EVERYBODY ELSE WAS
DOING THIS, LET'S GET IF AND DO
IT TOO, WITHOUT THINKING WHAT
THE BUSINESS MODEL SHOULD BE FOR
ON-LINE VERSION OF THE PRINT
PAPER THAT PEOPLE PAY TO
PURCHASE.
SO YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU CAN
FIGURE THIS OUT, BUT I DO THINK,
WE'RE GOING TO SEE MORE AND MORE
OCCASIONS WHERE PEOPLE LIKE ME,
WHO LOVE GOING OUT IN THE
MORNING AND PICKING THAT PAPER
UP OFF THE STOOP, THOSE DAYS ARE
GONE.
FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, YOU KNOW,
WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE TALKING
ABOUT THIS, AND YOU KNOW, OUR
GRANDCHILDREN AREN'T GOING TO
SAY, TELL ME ABOUT THE GOOD OLD
DAYS WHEN THERE WAS A NEWSPAPER
IN PRINT.
>> EVERYTHING WILL BE ON LINE?
>> YEAH.
I THINK MOST WILL BE ON LINE.
YOU'LL STILL HAVE PEOPLE LIKE ME
THAT WILL GO OUT TO THE FRONT
PORCH LOOKING FOR THE NEWSPAPER.
BUT I THINK WHAT BEZOS HAS DONE
IS HE'S PURCHASED NATIONALLY
RESPECTED AND KNOWN JOURNALISTS.
THE CONTENT IS WHAT IS IMPORTANT
IN THIS PURCHASE.
AND HE'S PROBABLY GOT A GAME
PLAN AS TO HOW HE'S GOING TO GET
IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IN WAYS
THAT ARE PERHAPS NOT THOUGHT OF
BY THOSE THAT ENTERED IN TO THAT
ON-LINE FRAY EARLY ON.
>> IT DOES MAKE YOU WONDER IF
BUYING NEWSPAPERS IS GOING TO
BECOME A TOY FOR BILLIONAIRES
AND BILLIONAIRES.
>> WELL, BUYING NEWSPAPER FOR
WHAT?
IF YOU BOUGHT THE JOURNAL, WHAT
ARE YOU GOING TO BUY THE JOURNAL
FOR?
>> MILLIONAIRES OWN NEWSPAPERS,
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.
>> THAT'S NOT THE DIFFERENCE,
BUT THE QUALITY OF THE NEWS THAT
THEY DELIVER, WHETHER IN PRINT
OR ON-LINE IS CRITICAL.
>> THERE'S GOT TO BE MORE AND
MORE OF IT, NOT LESS.
>> RICK HOROWITZ HAS WRITTEN FOR
THE "WASHINGTON POST" MORE THAN
A FEW TIMES OVER THE YEARS, BUT
THIS WEEK HE'D RATHER TALK ABOUT
SEX.
OR ABOUT SEX SCANDALS.
HE'S PAYING PARTICULAR ATTENTION
TO ONE SCANDAL THAT'S BEEN
MAKING HEADLINES OUT IN
CALIFORNIA, AND HE'S RUNNING OUT
OF PATIENCE.
RICK?
>> SO WHAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER?
I MEAN, HOW MANY WOMEN HAVE TO
COME FORWARD BEFORE THE
DISTINGUISHED MAYOR OF SAN
DIEGO, DISTINGUISHED BY HIS
ABSOLUTE CREEPINESS ANYWAY,
DECIDES TO PACK IT IN?
THE NUMBER RIGHT NOW IS 14.
AT LEAST THAT WAS THE NUMBER
WHEN I GOT TO THE STUDIO THIS
AFTERNOON.
BY TONIGHT, WHO KNOWS?
THEY'VE ALREADY GOT A HOT LINE
OUT IN SAN DIEGO FOR WOMEN TO
CALL TO REPORT HOW BOB FILNER
SEXUALLY HARASSED THEM.
THEY PROBABLY NEED ONE OF THOSE
THERMOMETER SIGNS, YOU KNOW,
LIKE THE UNITED WAY CAMPAIGNS,
SO THE REST OF US CAN KEEP TRACK
TOO.
BUT HE'S STILL HANGING IN THERE.
HE'S PARTWAY THROUGH HIS TWO
WEEKS OF INTENSIVE THERAPY.
14 DAYS, 14 WOMEN, SOUNDS LIKE
AN OLD ROD STEWART TOUR.
AND HE'S STILL GETTING BRIEFED
ON CITY BUSINESS, WHILE THE
ALLEGATIONS KEEP PILING UP, THE
GROPING, THE STROKING, THE RUB,
THE HEAD LOCKS.
HEAD LOCKS?
AND NOW THE ALLEGED VICTIMS
INCLUDE VETERANS, FEMALE SERVICE
MEMBERS, *** VICTIMS HE WAS
SUPPOSEDLY HELPING BACK WHEN HE
WAS A CONGRESSMAN DOING VETERANS
AFFAIRS.
INSTEAD, THEY SAY, HE WAS COMING
ONTO THEM.
THAT'S NOT WHAT VETERANS AFFAIRS
IS SUPPOSED TO MEAN.
NOW I'VE GOT TO GIVE BOB FILNER
CREDIT FOR ONE THING -- HE DOES
GREAT APOLOGIES.
MUCH BETTER THAN THE STANDARD
DUCKING AND DODGING.
I MEAN, HE SOUNDS GENUINELY
REMORSEFUL.
HE SAYS THESE ARE SERIOUS
CHARGES FROM CREDIBLE PEOPLE,
AND THEY HAVE TO BE TAKEN
SERIOUSLY.
HE SAYS HE CAN'T EVEN THINK OF
ASKING FOR FORGIVENESS YET.
HE ADMITS THIS STUFF HAS BEEN
GOING ON OVER MANY YEARS, AND
THAT HIS BEHAVIOR HAS BEEN
INTIMIDATING AND INEXCUSABLE.
BUT HE STILL CAN'T BRING HIMSELF
TO STAY THAT IT'S ***
HARASSMENT.
REALLY?
YOU DON'T THINK ASKING WOMEN IN
YOUR OFFICE TO SHOW UP WITHOUT
KEY PIECES OF THEIR UNDERWEAR
PRETTY AUTOMATICALLY CONSTITUTES
A HOSTILE WORK ENVIRONMENT?
OK.
MAYBE IF YOU'RE DIRECTING A ***
FILM.
BUT OTHERWISE?
BOB FILNER NEEDS TO RESIGN AS
MAYOR OF SAN DIEGO.
JUST LIKE, AS LONG AS WE'RE ON
THE SUBJECT, ANTHONY ***
SHOULD REALLY STOP RUNNING FOR
MAYOR OF NEW YORK.
SENDING OUT PICTURES OF HIS
PRIVATES TO WOMEN HE'S NEVER
MET?
THAT MAN IS JUST ONE RAINCOAT
AWAY FROM THE PSYCH WARD.
HE'S IN NO CONDITION TO RUN A
CITY.
HIS PRIVATES.
CAN WE STILL CALL THEM PRIVATES
ANYMORE?
ONCE THEY'RE BOUNCING AROUND ON
TWITTER, I MEAN?
SENDING PICTURES OF HIS PUBLICS,
THAT'S BETTER.
GO AWAY, YOU GUYS.
>> THANKS, RICK.
AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
WATCHING.
ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR WEEKEND.