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>> WE'LL BEGIN TONIGHT WITH
APPROVAL OF TONIGHT'S AGENDA.
>> APPROVED.
>> SECOND.
ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
YES PLEASE?
>> AFFIRMATIVE.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THAT'S UNANIMOUS.
THANK YOU COUNCIL.
FIRST WE HAVE A PROCLAMATION IN
HONOR OF GIRL SCOUT WEEK AND WE
INVITE GIRL SCOUT LEADERS TO
JOIN MISS APPLE WHITE.
FORMER GIRL SCOUT.
>> LET ME SHARE THIS WITH YOU.
MARCH 12, 2012 MARKS GIRL SCOUT
USA BEGAN WHEN THEY GATHERED 18
GIRLS IN GEORGIA TO OFFER THEM
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP
MENTALLY SPIRITUALLY AND
PHYSICALLY.
AND HELPED BUILD MILLIONS OF
GIRLS IN CONFIDENCE AND
CHARACTER WHO ACT TO MAKE THE
WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
AND THE GIRL SCOUT LEADERSHIP
PROGRAM HELPS GIRLS DISCOVER
THEMSELVES AND VALUES AND
CONNECT WITH OTHERS AND TAKE
ACTION TO MAKE A WORLD A BETTER
PLACE.
AND WHERE THE GIRL SCOUT AWARD
HIGHEST HONOR REQUIRES A GIRL TO
MAKE A SUSTAINABLE MEASURABLE
CHANGE IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
AND WHERE THE DEDICATION TIME
AND TALENT OF THOUSANDS OF
VOLUNTEERS OF DIFFERENT
BACKGROUNDS, ABILITIES AND AREAS
OF EXPERTISE, THE GIRL SCOUT
PROGRAM IS BROUGHT TO MORE THAN
70 THOUSAND GIRLS K. THROUGH 12
ACROSS THE STATE OF NORTH
CAROLINA.
INTRODUCE MAYOR OF FAYETTEVILLE
PROCLAIM MARCH 11-172012 TO BE
GIRL SCOUT WEEK IN ALL AMERICAN
CITY AND APPLAUD THE GIRL SCOUT
FOR HUNDRED YEARS OF LEADERSHIP
AND SALUTE THEM AS THEY
CELEBRATE ONE HUNDRED YEARS OF
GIRL SCOUTING.
[APPLAUDING]
>> [INAUDIBLE].
>> [APPLAUDING].
>> WE NOW WOULD LIKE TO
RECOGNIZE THE AMERICAN RED CROSS
AND ASK COUNSEL MAN TO HELP ME
WITH THIS AS EXECUTIVE BOARD
MEMBER AND...
JOIN US UP FRONT.
>> THE AMERICAN RED CROSS
CHAPTER WAS ESTABLISHED ON APRIL
26, 1917 IN RESPOND TO A CALL
FROM PRESIDENT WOODROW WILSON
AFTER WORLD WAR ONE TO COMFORT
COMMUNITIES STRICKEN BY DISASTER
AND HELPED DISABLED BODIES
OVERSEAS.
AND WHERE THE AMERICAN RED CROSS
PROVIDES SERVICES TO LOCAL
MILITARY PERSONNEL AND FAMILIES
INCLUDING 24/7 EMERGENCY
MESSAGEING THROUGH DEPLOYMENT
AND POST EMPLOYMENT BRIEFING AND
SEMINAR.
AND AMERICAN RED CROSS HIE LAND
CHAPTER PROVIDES FOOD, CLOTHING
SHELTER TO FAMILIES THAT
EXPERIENCE A HOME FIRE OR OTHER
DISASTER SUCH AS FIRES AND
FLOODS.
THE HIE LAND CHAPTER TEACHES
THOUSANDS OF LOCAL CITIZENS TO
LEAD SAFER AND HEALTHIER LIVES
THROUGH SKILL TRAINING AND
ANNUALLY THE AMERICAN RED CROSS
HIE LAND CHAPTER DISTRIBUTES
THOUSANDS OF LIFE SAVING UNITS
OF BLOOD AND BLOOD PRODUCTS.
NOW ON BEHALF OF THE CITY
COUNCIL TO PROCLAIM MARCH 2012
TO BE AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH
IN ALL AMERICAN CITY AND KPENLD
OUR APPRECIATION TO THE
DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS WHO KEEP
THIS NOBLE HUMANITARIAN
MISSIONAL LIVE AND ENCOURAGE OUR
CITIZENS TO JOIN IN THIS
OBSERVANCE.
[APPLAUDING]
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR.
IT'S OUR PRIVILEGE TO WORK WITH
EVERYONE IN THIS COMMUNITY.
WE WOULDN'T BE [INAUDIBLE].
>> [APPLAUDING].
>> ONE PERSONAL NOTE THE COUNCIL
WAS TALKING THE APPROPRIATE WAY
TO PERHAPS RECOGNIZE THE
ANNIVERSARY OF THE TORNADO LAST
APRIL AND HOW THE COMMUNITY CAME
TOGETHER.
WE APPRECIATE AND KNOW THE RED
CROSS HIGH LAND CHAPTER WAS
RIGHT IN THE HEART OF ALL THAT.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS.
I THINK WE HAVE MISS ROBERTA
HERE WITH THE NATIONAL
ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN FOR A VERY
SPECIAL PRESENTATION.
>> I CAN'T DO IT WITHOUT OFFICER
SAN DERS.
I DON'T KNOW IF OFFICER SAN DERS
IS HERE.
I WONDER IF WE MIGHT RESCHEDULE
THAT.
>> WE CERTAINLY CAN DO THAT,
MA'AM.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
>> OKAY, WE'LL NOW MOVE TO
RECOGNITION...
MAYOR PRO TEM WANT TO HELP WITH
THAT.
MEMBER, O WADE IS A MEMBER OF
THE ORGANIZATION.
GREAT.
RECEIVING THE CERTIFICATE
WESTBOUND THE PRESIDENT...
IS HE HERE?
COME RIGHT UP, SIR.
IN CASE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR
WITH THIS ORGANIZATION, THE CAPE
FEAR IS A NON PROFIT
ORGANIZATION DEDICATED TO MAKING
A POSITIVE DIFFERENCE IN THE
COUNTY.
AND SERVICE PROJECTS TO DATE
SERVICES FOR ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS,
DONATIONS TO ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS.
SPONSORED A BACKPACK FOR KIDS
PROGRAMS.
ONE OF HER FAVORITES.
CLOTHING DRIVE UNITED METHODIST
CHURCH, CAN DRIVES OF NORTH
CAROLINA.
OPERATION PROVIDING SCHOLARSHIP
TO THREE STUDENTS AT THE SUMMER
CAMP AND DONATED MONIES TO THE
BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB.
GREAT WHILE EFFORTS IN OUR
COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU SO MUCH, SIR.
[APPLAUDING].
>> THANK YOU MAYOR, COUNCIL AND
THE CITIZEN OF FAYETTEVILLE, A
SMALL ORGANIZATION GROUP.
ANYBODY LIKE INFORMATION ABOUT
US, PLEASE CONTACT US.
OUR MEMBERSHIP, WE NEED YOUR
HELP.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> MR. MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE
CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE VERY PROUD
OF THIS HERE IN NORTH CAROLINA
THEY ONLY WERE CHART ERRED ABOUT
THREE YEARS AGO AND THEY HIT THE
GROUND RUNNING.
DOING WONDERFUL THINGS FOR THE
COMMUNITY HERE.
WE'RE VERY PROUD OF THEM.
THE GUYS IN THE BROWN SHIRTS
SHOULD BE UP HERE RATHER THAN
ME.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ON THEIR
BEHALF.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
>> NOW MOVE TO ITEM FIVE WHICH
IS P TONIGHT'S PUBLIC FORUM.
LET ME GIVE YOU THE DETAILS HOW
THAT PROCESS WORKS.
IT'S DESIGNED TO INVITE CITIZEN
IMPUTE AND DISCUSSION NO MORE
THAN 15 MINUTES AND EACH PERSON
HAS TWO MINUTES.
WHEN YOU SEE THE LIGHT LOCATED
ON THE PODIUM CHANGE FROM GREEN
TO YELLOW THERE'S APPROXIMATELY
30 SECONDS LEFT AND WHEN YOU SEE
THE PODIUM BLINK FROM YELLOW TO
RED THE FULL TWO MINUTES HAS
EXPIRED.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
CLEARLY FOR THE RECORD.
MADAM WILL BEGIN THE PUBLIC
FORUM.
>> [INAUDIBLE] MR. ROOSEVELT.
>> [INAUDIBLE]
(NOT MICED)
>> WHERE THE DEAF SCHOOL IS
LOCATED.
I'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH
MR. GATES TO GET A PLAN AND
POLICY TO HAVE A FAYETTEVILLE
REGIONAL SERVICES FOR THE DEAF
AND HARD OF HEARING.
THE REASON I THINK WE NEED THIS
CENTER IS THAT FAYETTEVILLE HAS
BEEN A CENTER...
THEY HAVE A CENTER IN WILSON BUT
IT'S RATHER SMALL.
AND WE HAVE A LARGE POPULATION
HERE IN FAYETTEVILLE.
WE STARTED TO WORK ON IT AND
WE'RE PUTTING IT ON HOLD UNTIL
SEPTEMBER BECAUSE I WANT TO GET
THE LOCAL COMMUNITY INVOLVED.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE MORE DEAF
PEOPLE COME.
THEY'RE KIND OF SHY AND THEY'RE
A LITTLE INTIMIDATED BY ALL THE
PEOPLE AND CAMERAS.
SO I'M GOING TO WORK ON THAT.
FOR THE REGIONAL CENTERS AND
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A LOT OF
LOCAL INVOLVEMENT.
WE CAN EDUCATE THE STATE TO LET
THEM KNOW WE NEED THIS CENTER
NEAR FAYETTEVILLE.
MY FINAL THING I WANTED TO SAY
IS...
THAT I WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE
TO NOT BE AFRAID EVEN THOUGH I
HAVE AN INTERPRETER HERE, YOU
CAN STILL TALK TO ME.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING.
[APPLAUDING]
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS
DEBRA.
>> MAYOR.
>> FAYETTEVILLE CITY COUNCIL.
AS MAYOR, I BRING YOU GREETINGS
FROM OUR PROUD CITIZENS OF GOD
WIN.
ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD OF
COMMISSIONERS FOR THE CITIZENS I
THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OF
THE RECENT PARK PROJECT.
FUNDED BY NORTH CAROLINA PARKS
AND TRUST FUND MATCHING 50, 50
GRANT ALONG WITH THE COUNTY THE
PARK IS COMPLETE NOW AND AN
OFFICIAL RIBBON CUTTING CEREMONY
IS SCHEDULED.
KATIE FOR HER ROLE AS HREE A SON
TO PARKS AND RECREATION AND
MICHAEL GIBSON DIRECTOR OF PARKS
AND RECREATION.
I PERSONALLY WANT TO THANK KAREN
AND WAYNE WHO WORKED EXTREMELY
*** THE GOD WIN TOWN PARK.
KAREN WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR
COMPLETION OF THE GRANT
APPLICATION AND PAPERWORK THAT
FOLLOWED AND WAYNE DEVOTED
HIMSELF TO THE CONSTRUCTION AND
CONTINUED MAINTENANCE OF OUR
PARK.
I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE ALL OF
YOU TO A RIBBON CUTTING TO BE
HELD ON FRIDAY MARCH 30TH AT 10
A.M. IN GOD WIN AT THE TOWN PARK
LOCATED AT 4924 MARK EM STREET.
GOD WIN WAS BLESSED TO PARTNER
ITSELF WITH SUCH PROFESSIONALS
ALL FOCUSED ON A WORTHWHILE
PROJECT BENEFITING ALL OF THE
CITIZENS OF NORTHERN CUMBER LAND
COUNTY.
REFRESHMENTS WILL FOLLOW A BRIEF
CEREMONY AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
SEEING EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> CONGRATULATIONS.
[APPLAUDING].
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS...
>> [INAUDIBLE] THE ALL WISE TRUE
AND LIVING GOD.
THE ONE THAT THE MUSLIMS CALL
ALLAH THE ONE THE JEWS CALL
YAHWEH AND THE ONE THE
CHRISTIANS CALL GOD.
I AM MINISTER MUHAMMAD.
BORN AND RAISED HERE.
A VIETNAM VET.
VERY PROUD OF IT.
AND I INTEND TO GO TO THE
CHARLOTTE MOTOR SPEEDWAY
CELEBRATION OF THE VETERANS OF
VIETNAM.
AMERICA BEING THE GREATEST
COUNTRY ON EARTH BROTHERS AND
SISTERS, FAYETTEVILLE PLAYS A
ROLE.
IT'S NOW TIME FOR FAYETTEVILLE
TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE AND BE
COUNTED.
BUT THE POSITIVE THING, NOT JUST
A NEGATIVE.
WE DO NOT INTEND TO.
THAT'S ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS I
COME HERE TODAY THIS EVENING
STATE OF AFFAIRS FAYETTEVILLE.
LET'S NOT FORGET THE DATE.
THIS LITTLE GIRL.
LET'S NOT FORGET HER.
WE'RE DOING FOLLOW-UP.
AND WE HAVE THE STATE
LEGISLATURE AS WELL AS THE
TURN'S GENERAL'S OFFICE AS WELL
AS THE OFFICE WATCHING THIS
SITUATION.
OUR TOWN OF FAYETTEVILLE,
BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WE'VE COME
ALONG WAY TO HAVE OUR FIRST
AFRICAN AMERICAN MAYOR AND GOD
WILLING WE'LL HAVE OUR FIRST
AFRICAN AMERICAN POLICE CHIEF.
WE ALSO VERY, VERY POSITIVE THAT
THE FACT THAT A NEW CITY MANAGER
WILL BE FORTHCOMING.
EXTREMELY WELL BASKETBALL
CHAMPIONSHIP.
I WAS THERE.
TURNED OUT THE ENTIRE...
EVERYBODY EXPECTED US TO BE
DEFEATED AND WE WHOOPED THEM
THAT NIGHT.
DO NOT TELL OUR STUDENTS WHAT
THEY CANNOT DO.
IN TERMS OF CRIME, MAKE THESE
YOUNG PEOPLE FEEL GOOD ABOUT
THEMSELVES.
DON'T TREAT THEM LIKE DIRT AND
THEY WILL EXCEL.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR, THANK YOU FOR
COMING.
[APPLAUDING].
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MISS
WENDY.
>> WENDY...
AND YA'LL HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU
ONE OF THESE.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO WALK YOU
THROUGH IT.
I CAME LAST MONTH ABOUT AN
ORDINANCE THAT FAYETTEVILLE WAS
SPEND ITS MONEY IN FAYETTEVILLE
FIRST.
WHEN YOU HAVE A CONTRACT GO OUT
FOR QUALIFIED BUSINESS.
SO WHAT THIS IS IS
ENCOURAGEMENT.
THE FIRST WHEN YOU OPEN UP THE
FIRST PAGE YOU SEE THOSE CIRCLES
AND ON THE LEFT-HAND SIDE IS THE
CIRCLE OF LOCAL BUSINESS AND HOW
MUCH OF THE MONEY STAYS IN OUR
COMMUNITY WHEN YOU GIVE A
CONTRACT TO A LOCAL BUSINESS.
AND RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS HOW MUCH
MONEY LEAVES OUR CITY WHEN YOU
GIVE THE CONTRACT TO SOMEBODY
ELSE.
AND THE NEXT PAGE YOU HAVE A
COUPLE OF EXAMPLES.
THE FIRST ONE IS PHARMACIES.
THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF BUYING
YOUR DRUGS FROM A LOCAL PHARMACY
VERSUS THE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF
BUYING YOUR DRUGS FROM A CHAIN.
PRETTY DRAMATIC.
FIVE TIMES.
AND THEN WE HAVE GROCERIES WHERE
A GROCERY STORE EVEN THOUGH THEY
HAVE SUCH SLIM MARGINS IT'S
TWICE THE IMPACT IF YOU GO TO A
LOCAL GROCERY STORE INSTEAD OF
GOING TO A CHAIN.
WE HAVE RESTAURANTS THERE AGAIN
ABOUT TWICE THE IMPACT IF YOU GO
TO...
OPPOSED TO RED LOBSTER.
AND GOING TO THE LAST ONE I JUST
WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT, THIS IS FOR
EVERYBODY.
THEY DID, PEOPLE WHO DID THIS,
THEY WERE LOOKING AT A
PARTICULAR TOWN AND THAT
PARTICULAR TOWN HAD 8 POINT 4
BILLION DOLLARS IN RETAIL SALES.
THEY SAID WHAT IF TEN PERCENT OF
THAT WENT FROM CHAINS TO LOCALS
AND THE AFFECT 140 MILLION
DOLLARS OF NEW INCOME IN WITHOUT
SPENDING A DIME MORE YOU GET 140
MILLION DOLLARS MORE AND 16 NEW
JOBS.
WOULD YOU LOVE TO SEE 16 HUNDRED
NEW JOBS?
>> THANK YOU.
[APPLAUDING].
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MR.
CHARLES.
>> GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR,
MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL I'M HERE
TO SPEAK TO YOU BRIEFLY ABOUT
THE PROPOSAL TO PUT TOLLS ON
INTERSTATE 95.
I TRAVEL THAT ROAD FREQUENTLY.
I SAT UP ALL NIGHT TO READ THE
REPORT THEY PUT OUT.
CONSIDERABLE RESEARCH WHAT OTHER
STATES WAS WITH THESE KIND OF
PLANS.
AS A RESULT OF THAT, IT SEEMS TO
ME FOR MANY REASONS THIS PLAN
WOULD TURN INTERSTATE 95 INTO
THE ROAD TO DISASTER FOR
FAYETTEVILLE, THE COUNTY AND
OTHER SEVEN COUNTIES WHICH IT
TRAVERSES IN NORTH CAROLINA AND
OTHER CAROLINA REGION FOR
SEVERAL REASONS.
LET ME TICK SOME OF THEM OFF
QUICKLY.
FIRST OF ALL IT WOULD BE A KICK
IN THE HEAD BY EFFORTS OF
FAYETTEVILLE AND THE OTHER
COUNTIES TO BRING NEW COMPANIES
AND NEW JOBS, HEAVY DUTY
EXPENSES ON THEIR EFFORTS.
NOT TO MENTION A SIMILAR BURDEN
ON EXISTING PARTICULARLY SMALL
BUSINESSES AND IT ALSO WOULD ADD
AN INFLATION TAX FOR EVERYBODY
IN THE REGION EVEN IF YOU NEVER
TRAVEL THE HIGHWAY BECAUSE MOST
EVERYTHING WE BUY COMES BY
TRUCKS AND SO THE COST WOULD BE
PASSED ON TO US.
NOW THIS KIND OF A BURDEN WOULD
FALL PARTICULARLY ON THOSE OF
LOW INCOME AS A MATTER OF FACT
PEOPLE OF COLOR IN THIS REGION.
THE EIGHT COUNTIES THROUGH WHICH
INTERSTATE 95 TRAVERSES IS 49
PERCENT PEOPLE OF COLOR.
STATE AS A WHOLE IS 32 PERCENT.
POVERTY IN THIS AREA IN THIS
REGION IS 20 PERCENT WHERE THE
STATE IS 15 PERCENT.
SO THESE IMPACTS I TALK TO YOU
ABOUT WILL FALL MOST HEAVILY ON
THE PEOPLE LEAST ABLE TO AFFORD
THEM.
THE PLAN IS A BAD IDEA.
I HAVE A FACT SHEET TO LEAVE
WITH THE CLERK.
I HAVE A BUTTON HERE.
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONSIDER
JOINING THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS
AS WELL AS CONGRESSWOMAN RENEE
AND SPEAK UP AS A BODY AND TELL
THEM TO GO BACK TO THE DRAWING
BOARD AND GET US A PLAN WE CAN
LIVE WITH THAT WILL NOT TURN
INTERSTATE 95 INTO ROAD TO
DISASTER.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
THANK YOU FOR COMING.
[APPLAUDING].
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PASTOR
MARK.
>> MR. MAYOR, TO THE CITY
COUNCIL, TO THE CITIZENS OF
FAYETTEVILLE, PASTOR MARK FROM
THE BAPTIST CHURCH.
I WANT TO SPEAK VERY BRIEFLY
ABOUT B. W. B. ISSUE.
I WANT TO SAY GROWING UP IN
HOUSTON, TEXAS I SPENT SOME 23
YEARS IN THE MILITARY AND I
NEVER THOUGHT I COULD MAKE A
PLACE LIKE FAYETTEVILLE HOME.
BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT AFTER 17
YEARS OF BEING A RESIDENT OF
FAYETTEVILLE I AM A PROUD
CITIZEN OF FAYETTEVILLE AND
FAYETTEVILLE HAS MADE GREAT
PROGRESS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL
MONTHS.
HOWEVER IT'S NOT COME WITHOUT
GROWING PAINS.
I WANT TO COMMEND THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR TAKING BOLD STEPS TO
LISTEN AND DO THOSE THINGS FOR
CONCERNED CITIZENS.
I ALSO BELIEVE IN MY HEART FOR
THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER AND
IT'S STILL FAYETTEVILLE'S
FINEST.
IF A CITY IS GOING TO GROW IT
MUST DEAL WITH SOME OF THE
ISSUES.
AND YA'LL HAVE DONE THAT.
AND MY PRAYER TONIGHT IS THAT
THIS CITY WILL COME TOGETHER AND
GROW BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN
FACED WITH THAT WE WILL MOVE
FORWARD.
I KNOW THAT WE CAN.
DO NOT WANT OUR DIFFERENCES TO
SEPARATE US.
WHEN I HEARD FAYETTEVILLE AGAIN
WON ALL-AMERICAN CITY I WAS
PROUD AGAIN TO BE CITIZEN OF
FAYETTEVILLE AND WHAT WE HAVE
EXPERIENCED DOES NOT TAKE AWAY
FROM THAT.
I OFTEN HEAR PEOPLE SAY THAT ALL
AMERICAN CITY IS A CITY WITHOUT
PROBLEMS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
I BELIEVE ALL AMERICAN CITY IS A
CITY THAT HAS PROBLEMS AND DEALS
WITH THEM FACE ON.
AGAIN, OUR PRAYER IS THAT OUR
CITY AND OUR CITIZENS CAN GROW
AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUDING].
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS PASTOR...
>> GOOD EVENING, MR. MAYOR, CITY
COUNCIL MAN, ALL THOSE HERE
TONIGHT, I'M JUST HAPPY AND
PLEASED TO BE HERE TONIGHT.
I LIVE AT 128 GREGORY DRIVE IN
NORTH CAROLINA...
MISSIONARY BAPTIST CHURCH
LOCATED AT...
WE ARE THE CHURCH THAT
[INAUDIBLE] PREDECESSOR AS MAYOR
OF FAYETTEVILLE.
I DECIDED TODAY AT 4:30 I WOULD
JUST SHARE BECAUSE I'M CONCERNED
ABOUT SOME OF THE RHETORIC
THAT'S BEEN EXCHANGED.
SOME OF THE IDEAS THE MINISTERS
ARE HATE MONGERS OR BECAUSE WE
OPPOSE THE ISSUE OF DRIVING THAT
WE HATE THE CITY AND HATE THE
POLICE.
I COULDN'T SHARE WITH YOU, AS A
PERSON WHO WAS BORN HERE IN
FAYETTEVILLE, I WOULD NEVER HATE
THE POLICE.
I ALREADY RESPECT THEM.
AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE
NOTHING BUT LOVE AND RESPECT AND
APPRECIATION FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
LEADERS.
I WANT TO SHARE A STORY I
BELIEVE YOU CAN APPRECIATE.
I LIVED AT 123 WRITE STREET IN
FAYETTEVILLE.
DURING THAT TIME PERIOD IN THE
FIRST GRADE I WOULDN'T GO TO
SCHOOL.
I FLUNKED THE FIRST GRADE
BECAUSE I WOULDN'T GO TO SCHOOL.
THEY HAD OFFICERS THEN.
BECAUSE THE OFFICER COULDN'T GET
ME TO GO TO SCHOOL THEY SENT THE
CITY POLICE AFTER ME.
MY OLDEST SISTER TOLD THE POLICE
WHERE I WAS HIDING.
I WAS UNDER THE BED.
HE GRABBED ME BY MY FEET, TOOK
ME OUTSIDE AND EXPLAINED TO ME
HE COULDN'T PUT ME IN THE FRONT
SEAT HE HAD TO PUT ME IN THE
BACK SEAT.
STOPPED BY A STORE, BOUGHT ME A
COCA-COLA AND TOOK ME TO SCHOOL.
I DIDN'T STAY THAT DAY.
I PROMISED I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL.
THE NEXT DAY I WENT TO SCHOOL.
WELL, WHAT I DO IS NOT BECAUSE I
HATE PEOPLE.
BECAUSE I LOVE YOU.
BECAUSE I RESPECT YOU.
BECAUSE I APPRECIATE YOU.
BECAUSE I MADE A PROMISE TO A
POLICE OFFICER A LONG TIME AGO
THAT I WOULD GO TO SCHOOL.
THE END RESULT I GRADUATED IN
1968 AND SERVED 21 YEARS IN THE
MILITARY AND SERVED AS A POLICE
OFFICER AND MILITARY POLICE IN
THE ARMY, RETIRED IN 1989.
FINISHED THE MILITARY, OBTAINED
MASTER DEGREE IN THEOLOGY AND
PASTORAL COUNSELING.
I LOVE THE POLICE.
I LOVE THIS CITY.
I'M A PRODUCT OF THIS CITY AND
ANYTHING I DO IS BECAUSE I WANT
THIS CITY TO BE BETTER.
I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OUR
CHILDREN RECEIVE THE
APPRECIATION THAT SOME POLICE
OFFICER, WHITE POLICE OFFICER 56
YEARS AGO SHOWED TO ME.
[APPLAUDING]
>> OUR FINAL SPEAKER IS PASTOR
JEFFREY WHITE.
>> GOOD EVENING MR. MAYOR, CITY
COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JEFFERY WHITE.
MY ADDRESS IS...
I LIVE IN DISTRICT SIX.
CHRIS IS MY COUNCILMEMBER.
I CURRENTLY SERVE IN THE ROLE OF
PASTOR OF A LOCAL CHURCH.
MY WIFE AND I HAVE LIVED IN THIS
COMMUNITY FOR 11 YEARS.
I RAISED THREE SONS AND A
DAUGHTER HERE.
WE RAISED THEM TO HONOR GOD,
LOVE THEIR FAMILY AND LOVE THEIR
NEIGHBORS.
I HAVE TWO SONS WHO ARE
CURRENTLY SERVING IN THE UNITED
STATES NAVY.
IT DEEPLY TROUBLES ME TO MY
HEART TO SEE BOTH MY SONS DO
WHAT I BELIEVE HAS BEEN RACIALLY
PROFILING.
I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME IN THIS
FORUM TO SHARE THE DISAPPOINTING
DETAILS OF EACH OF THEIR
EXPERIENCES OF THESE LOCAL
OFFICERS.
NEITHER WERE CHARGED WITH AN
OFFENSE OR WAS TICKETED FOR THAT
INCIDENT.
THEY BOTH HAVE CLEAN RECORDS AND
SERVE IN THIS COUNTRY'S MILITARY
AND BOTH HAVE SERVED IN HARM'S
WAY.
ONE WAS HANDCUFFED DURING A
STOP.
IT BROKE MY HEART HIS MAJOR
CONCERN AND I QUOTE, I HOPE NONE
OF MY DAD'S MEMBER SEE ME
HANDCUFFED BEHIND THIS CAR AND
THINK I'VE DONE SOMETHING WRONG.
I WANT YOU TO KNOW I LOVE THIS
CITY.
I LOVE THIS COMMUNITY.
WHAT YOU WANT MR. MAYOR, WHAT
THIS CITY COUNCIL WANTS, WE WANT
THE SAME.
I'M ASKING YOU TO SEARCH YOUR
HEART AND CONSIDER MAYBE WHEN
YOU SEE ME AND OTHER MEN THAT
LOOK JUST LIKE ME YOU DON'T SEE
JUST ME AS A BLACK MAN.
DO YOU SEE A PARTNER IN PROGRESS
OR CRIMINALS JUST BECAUSE OF THE
COLOR OF OUR SKIN?
HELP US MOVE FORWARD TONIGHT AS
A WHOLE ALL AMERICAN CITY.
A UNITED COMMITTED TO JUSTICE,
FAIRNESS AND EQUALITY FOR ALL.
COMMITTED TO SAFETY FOR EVERY
CITIZEN WHITE, BLACK, BROWN,
YELLOW, RED AND ONE COMMUNITY.
AS REVEREND TROY WILL YEUMS SAID
WE HAVE TO MAKE CHOICES.
I QUOTE D. J. BUILD MORE WALLS
BUILD MORE BRIDGES.
I WOULD ASK THIS COMMUNITY
CONSIDER SOMETHING BROTHER WEST
ALWAYS SAYS, OUR COMMUNITY IS
NOT TRULY GREAT.
FOR ANY OF US UNTIL IT'S GREAT
FOR ALL OF US.
THANK YOU MR. MAYOR,
FAYETTEVILLE CITY COUNCIL FOR
YOUR COURAGE AND OUR PRAYERS
WITH YOU WILL ALWAYS BE TOWARDS
HEAVEN.
THANK YOU.
[APPLAUDING]
>> WE HAVE NO FURTHER SPEAKERS.
>> THAT WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC
FORUM.
WE THANK YOU...
[PAUSE IN CAPTIONING].
TO COME IN AND CONDUCT A STUDY
THAT WAS PART OF THE MORATORIUM,
SPECIFICALLY TO DETERMINE
WHETHER MEMBERS OF THE
DEPARTMENT ENGAGED IN RACIAL
PROFILING ACTIVITIES.
LEADING THAT STUDY, TWO MEMBERS
ARE HERE TONIGHT WITH US.
THE LEAD CONSULTANT IS CHIEF
JIMMY L. WILSON, CHIEF RETIRED.
CHIEF WILSON IS A 39-YEAR LAW
ENFORCEMENT VETERAN, RETIRED
DEPUTY CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE
CITY OF WASHINGTON, D.C. AND
ALSO RETIRED CHIEF OF POLICE FOR
THE CITY OF SUFFOLK, VIRGINIA.
JOINING CHIEF WILSON TONIGHT IS
SENIOR CONSULTANT DREW CANDIDATE
WHO IS A RETIRED POLICE
COMMANDER FOR THE GREENSBORO,
POLICPOLICE DEPARTMENT.
GENTLEMEN, I THINK YOU HAVE
WORKED LONG AND *** THIS
STUDY.
PLEASE COME FORWARD AND PRESENT
THE FINDINGS.
>> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.
>> GOOD EVENING, SIR.
>> I'D LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR,
THE CITY COUNCIL, THE CITY
MANAGER AND ALL OF YOU FOR
ALLOWING US TO COME HERE TONIGHT
TO TALK ABOUT THE STUDY.
THE STUDY CONSISTED OF A PROJECT
TEAM OF FIVE INDIVIDUALS.
THERE'S A PROJECT MANAGER WHO IS
A FULL-TIME EMPLOY OF NOBLE, THE
RESEARCH AND QUALITATIVE
ANALYST, DR. EARNEST QIMBY,
DIRECTOR OF GRADUATE STUDIES
FROM HOWARD UNIVERSITY.
OF COURSE, YOU HEARD MY
INTRODUCTION AS WELL AS MY
COLLEAGUE DREW.
AND WE HAVE A THIRD CONSULTANT
DAVE SCOTT WHO IS A DEPUTY CHIEF
WITH THE TRANSIT POLICE IN
PHILADELPHIA.
WE CAME TO FAYETTEVILLE ON THE
24th OF JANUARY AND SPENT
THREE AND A HALF DAYS ON-SITE
CONDUCTING INTERVIEWS AND DOING
POLICY REVIEWS.
AND WE CONTINUED THAT PROCESS
WHEN WE WENT HOME BY CONDUCTING
ADDITIONAL TELL PHONIC
INTERVIEWS AS WELL AS DOING
POLICY REVIEW.
AND WE MADE CONSTANT CONTACT
WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THROUGHOUT THIS REPORT, WE WILL
BE TALKING ABOUT THE COMMISSION
ON ACCREDITATION FOR LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
IT WAS CREATED BY THE FOUR LAW
ENFORCEMENT ORGANIZATIONS IN THE
UNITED STATES.
THOSE ORGANIZATIONS ARE NOBLE,
THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF
BLACK LAW ENFORCEMENT
EXECUTIVES, IECP, THE
INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF
CHIEFS OF POLICE, THE POLICE
EXECUTIVE RESEARCH FORUM AND
NSA, THE NATIONAL SHERIFFS
ASSOCIATION.
DURING THIS PROCESS, WE STARTED
OFF BY LOOKING AT THE PERF STUDY
OF THE FAYETTEVILLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
THEY RECOMMENDED MODIFICATIONS
TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.
THEY DIDN'T INDICATE THINGS WERE
WRONG, JUST MODIFICATIONS.
AND THEN THEY THOUGHT THAT THESE
MODIFICATIONS WOULD BETTER ALIGN
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH THE
NATIONAL BEST PRACTICES.
THEY MADE 53 RECOMMENDATIONS.
TO HIS CREDIT, THE FAYETTEVILLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT ADDRESSED ALL
53 RECOMMENDATIONS.
THEY LOOKED AT THE CALE
ACREDDATION PROCESS.
ALL WERE MET EXCEPT ONE AND THAT
WAS CORRECTED ON-SITE.
THE FAYETTEVILLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT ACHIEVED
ACCREDITATION SEVEN TIMES SINCE
1989, WHICH IS THE DATE OF THE
FIRST TIME THAT IT WAS
ACCREDITED.
NOBLE BECAME INVOLVED IN THIS
PROJECT WHEN COMPLAINTS WERE
MADE BY MEMBERS OF THE
COMMUNITY.
THE ALLEGATIONS INVOLVED 38,950
TRAFFIC STOPS THAT WERE MADE IN
2010.
THIS IS INFORMATION THAT CAME
FROM THE COMMUNITY.
THE COMMUNITY ALSO SAID THAT OF
THESE 38,000 STOPS, THERE WERE
89 CONSENSUAL SEARCHES AND THREE
TIMES AS MANY AFRICAN-AMERICAN
STOPS AND THERE WAS NO REVIEW OF
THE TRAFFIC STOP DATA BY THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
AND THE TIMELY STATISTICS WERE
NOT SUBMITTED BY THE DEPARTMENT
TO THE STATE.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT SEARCHES
THAT WERE CONDUCTED, CONSENT
SEARCHES NOT CONDUCTED WITHOUT
CONSENT.
THEY ALSO INDICATED THAT
OCCASIONAL CITIZENS WERE
TICKETED FOR OBJECTIVE STOPS.
AND WHAT IS MEANT BY OBJECTIVE
STOPS IS THOSE VIOLATIONS THAT
INVOLVED ITEMS LIKE RED LIGHTS,
STOP SIGNS AND THOSE KINDS OF
ISSUES.
THEY ALSO INDICATED THAT
AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE STOPPED
BY SUBJECTIVE STOPS AND THAT
MEANS THINGS LIKE MECHANICAL
VIOLATIONS, SEAT BELTS, THOSE
KIND OF THINGS.
AND THEN THEY SAID THAT THE
DRIVER IS NOT PULLED OF THE AR
ARTICULABLE REASON FOR THE STOP,
EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS A
REQUIREMENT.
AND THEY FELT THAT POLICE
OFFICERS MAY HAVE MET THAT
REQUIREMENT, BUT THEY SHOULD
HAVE TOLD THE DRIVER AND DID
NOT.
THE COMMUNITY FURTHER INDICATED
THAT THERE WAS SOME NECESSARY
STEPS FOR RESOLUTION OF THIS
ISSUE AND THEY SAID THAT THEY
WERE PREPARED TO REACH A
RESOLUTION WITH THE CITY AND
THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT THE CITY
ADDRESSED ALL OF THE ISSUES
THOROUGHLY.
THEY WANTED AN INVESTIGATION OF
POLICE MISCONDUCT AND THEY
WANTED ACTION TAKEN.
THEY FELT THAT THE DEPARTMENT
SHOULD GAIN THE CONFIDENCE OF
AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITIES AND
CHANGE THE CULTURE OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND ENGAGE IN TRUE
COMMUNITY POLICING.
THAT THE COMMUNITY SHOULD BE
GIVEN AWARENESS TRAINING AND
APPARENTLY THERE ARE SOME
TRAININGS THAT WERE OFFERED BY
THE ACLU AND THE CITY SHOULD
ACCEPT THAT TRAINING.
AND ALSO FELT THERE'S AN
UNDERREPRESENTATION OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THE
FAYETTEVILLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
WE LOOKED AT PROFESSIONAL
TRAFFIC STOPS.
PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC STOPS MEANS
THE MECHANICS OF A TRAFFIC STOP,
HOW A TRAFFIC STOP IS CONDUCTED
FROM THE BEGINNING, HOW A POLICE
OFFICER APPROACHES THE DRIVER,
WHAT IS SAID TO THE DRIVER.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT'S POLICY, AND
COMPARED IT WITH NATIONAL
STANDARDS, WE FELT THAT NOT ONLY
DID THE DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT
COMPLY WITH NATIONAL STANDARDS,
IN SOME CASES THEY EXCEEDED THE
NATIONAL STANDARDS.
IN OUR RESEARCH WE LOOKED AT THE
ARNOLD VERSUS ARIZONA CASE WHICH
REQUIRED POLICE OFFICERS TO
IDENTIFY THEMSELVES, IDENTIFY
THE DRIVER BY THE APPROPRIATE
TITLE, MR. AND MRS. AND TELL WHY
THEY WERE STOPPED AND IF THE
DRIVER HAD ANY FURTHER
QUESTIONS, THEN THE POLICE
OFFICER WAS OBLIGATED TO GIVE
HIS BADGE NUMBER, HIS OR HER
BADGE NUMBER AND SUPERVISOR'S
NAME.
WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE NEW JERSEY
STATE POLICE CONSENT DECREE.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE DECREES
THAT REALLY EXPANDED ON TRAFFIC
STOPS.
YOU HAD A LONG LITANY OF
INFORMATION.
AND THEN THE NATIONAL HIGHWAY
AND TRANSPORTATION SAFETY
ADMINISTRATION ISSUED AN ARTICLE
CALLED "TIPS ON HOW TO CONDUCT
PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC STOPS."
GAVE A LONG LIST ON WHAT TO DO
AND HOW TO DO IT.
AND THE DEPARTMENT WAS IN
COMPLIANCE.
>> I'D LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE
STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES
REPORTING OF TRAFFIC STOPS.
AND WHERE SOME OF THE PROBLEMS
ACTUALLY LIE AND THE
RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ARE
GOING TO MAKE ABOUT THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, IT'S NO SECRET
THAT THE TRAFFIC STOP REPORT IS
REQUIRED BY STATE LAW.
THERE'S A SEPARATE PORTION OF
THAT THAT DEALS WITH CONSENT
SEARCHES.
AND THAT HAS BEEN THE SOURCE OF
THE BEGINNING OF THIS AS WE
UNDERSTAND IT.
IT WAS THE DATA BEING EITHER
INACCURATE OR SKEWED OR SO OUT
OF WHACK THAT IT RAISED CONCERN.
PART OF THE PROBLEM, AS YOU HAVE
HEARD OVER AND OVER I'M SURE IN
THIS ROOM, WAS THAT THE TRAFFIC
STOP REPORT DOCUMENT DOES NOT
HAVE A PLACE FOR LOCATION OF THE
TRAFFIC STOP.
AND SO WHEN CONFRONTED WITH THAT
QUESTION, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
WAS FORCED TO TRY TO EXPLAIN WHY
AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE STOPPED
MORE, SEARCHED MORE AND WHERE
THAT WAS LIKELY TO BE OCCURRING.
AND QUITE HONESTLY, THEY WERE
NOT ABLE TO DO THAT TO YOUR
SATISFACTION.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT RELYING
PURELY ON THE TRAFFIC STOP
REPORT IS NOT THE WAY TO GO.
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE EFFECTIVE
JANUARY 1, 2012 IS TO
SIGNIFICANTLY MODIFY THAT
POLICY.
WHEN WE WERE HERE IN LATE
JANUARY, WE REVIEWED THE POLICY
AND FOUND IT TO BE SATISFACTORY.
BUT THE DATA FIELD WAS SO SMALL,
WE REALLY COULD NOT CONDUCT MUCH
OF AN ANALYSIS AS TO WHETHER IT
WAS ACTUALLY BEING DONE
CORRECTLY OR NOT.
IT APPEARED THAT IT WAS.
THE FEW NUMBERS THAT THEY HAD
DURING THAT FIRST FEW DAYS OF
JANUARY UNTIL THE MORATORIUM WAS
PUT IN PLACE ALL CHECKED OUT.
BUT YOU NEED A MUCH LARGER
SAMPLE OF DATA AND AN
EXAMINATION OF ALL OF THOSE
TRAFFIC STOPS OVER A LONGER
PERIOD OF TIME TO ENSURE
YOURSELVES THAT THE RULES ARE
ACTUALLY BEING FOLLOWED AS
CHANGED IN THAT POLICY.
WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS
OF THE POLICY, THEY DO REQUIRE A
SEPARATE ENTRY IN THEIR RECORDS
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM THAT DICTATES
AND EXPLAINS WHERE THE LOCATION
WAS, WHAT THE REASON FOR THE
STOP WAS, AND IF THE SEARCH WAS
ASKED FOR, A CONSENT SEARCH, WHY
THAT WAS DONE.
SOME ARTICULABLE REASON.
THEY MADE SOME OTHER CHANGES
THAT HAVE BEEN POSITIVE IN OUR
VIEW.
THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM
IS A VERY COMPLEX RECORDS
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
OSSI IS THE VENDOR.
THERE ARE MANY DEPARTMENTS
ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT USE
THEM.
IT'S A GOOD PRODUCT.
ONE OF THE FIELDS IN THAT
PRODUCT THAT WAS CUSTOMIZED FOR
NORTH CAROLINA POLICE
DEPARTMENTS WAS AN ELECTRONIC
MISSION OF THAT TRAFFIC STOP
REPORT MEANING THAT THE OFFICER
WOULD IN HIS CAR OR ANOTHER
COMPUTER TERMINAL SOMEWHERE
WOULD
PUT THE DETAILS OF THE TSR
INTO THE RECORDS MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM AND IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED
ELECTRONICALLY.
THEY REALIZED THAT AS A RESULT
OF SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT
CAME UP, THAT WAS NOT A GOOD
THING.
AND SO THEY BACKED OUT OF THAT
AND WENT BACK TO HANDWRITTEN
TSRs.
WE THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT THING
TO DO.
AND THIS IS THE REASON.
THAT ALLOWS SUPERVISOR REVIEW OF
THOSE TSRs BEFORE THEY GET
COMMITTED TO THE SYSTEM.
AND THAT HAS BEEN DONE.
AGAIN, WE'RE ONLY A FEW DAYS
INTO THAT AND THE DATA NEEDS TO
BE EXPANDED OVER TIME BEFORE WE
CAN MAKE A SERIOUS ANALYSIS OF
THAT.
A SEPARATE ISSUE, AND THIS IS
PROBABLY MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN
IT WILL SOUND.
THE STATE LAW REQUIRES THE TSR
TO BE COMPLETED ON PURE TRAFFIC
STOPS.
OFFICER OBSERVES A VIOLATION,
MAKES A TRAFFIC STOP, DOES A
TSR, MOVES ON.
WHAT THE FAYETTEVILLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT WAS DOING -- AND I
GUESS THIS IS HISTORICAL
INFORMATION.
THEY HAD BEEN DOING THEM ON
OTHER STOPS AS WELL.
FOR EXAMPLE, THERE'S A BROADCAST
FOR BE ON THE LOOKOUT FOR A
CERTAIN CAR.
WELL, THE OFFICER SPOTS THE CAR
AND STOPS IT.
WELL, THE STATE LAW DOES NOT
REQUIRE A TSR ON THAT KIND OF
STOP BECAUSE IS NOT A PURE
TRAFFIC STOP OR TRAFFIC
VIOLATION.
IT'S A STOP BASED ON ANOTHER
REASON.
AND THEY HAD BEEN DOING THOSE.
THEREFORE, THEIR NUMBERS ARE
HIGHER.
THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF
THAT.
THEY COULD MAKE AN INVESTIGATIVE
STOP, FOR EXAMPLE.
YOU'VE GOT YOUR TIP, PURE TIP
THAT SOMEONE WAS ENGAGED IN
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
AND THEY -- THE PATROL OFFICER
SPOTS THAT CAR AND MAKES THAT
STOP.
AGAIN, NOT A PURE TRAFFIC STOP
BASED ON TRAFFIC-RELATED REASONS
AND DOES NOT QUALIFY FOR TSR.
HOWEVER, FAYETTEVILLE PD WAS
DOING THAT.
AND WHEN WE DISCOVERED THAT, WE
ASKED THEM WHY ARE YOU DOING
THIS.
AND THEY SAID, WELL, THIS IS
WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.
AND DON'T YOU THINK YOU OUGHT TO
CHANGE THAT?
AND THEY SAID VERY CANDIDLY,
YES, WE DO.
HOWEVER, WE DON'T WANT TO BE
ACCUSED OF TRYING TO MANIPULATE
THE DATA IN THE MIDST OF A
CRISIS.
SO I GUESS TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY
DID NOT ON THEIR OWN STOP DOING
THAT.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, AS OF
TODAY, THEY ARE STILL DOING IT
THAT WAY.
HOWEVER, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND
THAT THEY GO TO THE STANDARD TSR
REQUIREMENTS WHICH MAKES THEM
COMPARABLE TO OTHER CITIES IN
NORTH CAROLINA THAT ARE DOING IT
THAT WAY.
AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE
RESULT OF LESSENING SOME OF THE
TRAFFIC STOP INCIDENTS REPORTED
ON THE TSRs.
THEY DID SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S A RETENTION SCHEDULE IN
STATE LAW THAT REQUIRES THEM TO
KEEP THOSE PAPER TSRs IF THEY
USE THEM FOR TWO YEARS.
I'M SORRY.
FOR ONE YEAR.
AND THEY CHANGED THEIR POLICY AS
A RESULT OF SOME OF THIS
CONTROVERSY TO EXTEND THAT TO
TWO YEARS AND THEY MAKE THOSE
ACTUAL PAPER TSRs AVAILABLE
FOR PUBLIC VIEWING SO A CITIZEN
CAN LOOK AT A TSR IF THEY CHOOSE
TO.
THE CALEA REQUIREMENTS TOUCH IN
NUMEROUS WAYS ON THIS WHOLE
ISSUE.
ONE OF THE CALEA REQUIREMENTS IS
REVIEWING TRAFFIC STOP DATA
ANNUALLY.
THEY HAVE TO PREPARE A REPORT
THAT TALKS ABOUT THE NATURE OF
TRAFFIC STOPS.
AND IT'S REALLY NOT JUST A
REPORT.
IT'S MORE OF AN ANALYSIS AND
IT'S DONE FOR A NUMBER OF
REASONS, ONE BEING TRAINING,
NEEDS.
OF COURSE, THE IDEA WOULD BE
THAT THE SENIOR COMMAND WOULD
HAVE A SNAPSHOT VIEW ONCE A YEAR
OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING IN
TRAFFIC STOPS OVER THE PAST
YEAR.
WELL, THEY RECOGNIZED THAT WAS
NOT SUFFICIENT IN FAYETTEVILLE.
AGAIN, PARTLY BASED ON THIS
ISSUE.
AND THEY HAVE NOW GONE TO
QUARTERLY REVIEW FOR THAT.
AGAIN, THESE ISSUES NEED TO
MATURE BECAUSE NOT ALL THESE
CHANGES WERE MADE AT ONE TIME,
BUT GRADUALLY OVER THE PAST
SEVERAL MONTHS THEY HAVE BEEN
MADE.
BUT IT'S STILL A LITTLE EARLY TO
DETERMINE WHETHER THEY ARE
TOTALLY EFFECTIVE BECAUSE THE
DATA FIELD IS JUST NOT THAT
LARGE.
IN-CAR CAMERAS, I THINK THERE IS
SOME QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE
213 NUMBER IS ACCURATE.
IT MAY BE 217 OR MORE.
I THINK THERE'S STILL SOME
DEBATE AS TO SOMETHING ABOUT THE
CARS THAT ARE STAIR CARS AND
WHETHER THE MONEY SHOULD BE
SPENT TO EQUIP THEM.
WE HAVE REVIEWED THEIR SCHEDULE
FOR GETTING EVERYTHING DONE.
IT SEEMS TO BE IN COMPLIANCE
WITH WHAT YOU ALL ASKED FOR.
AS I UNDERSTAND IT BY
APRIL 1st, THAT SHOULD BE
COMPLETE.
WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE SPARE
CARS.
THE RISK OF THE SPARE CARS
OBVIOUSLY IF MY CAR BREAKS DOWN
AND I PICK UP A SPARE CAR THAT
DOESN'T HAVE A CAMERA AND WE
HAVE THE CRITICAL INCIDENT, THEN
THERE'S NO REVIEW OF THAT
BECAUSE WE HAVE JUST CHOSEN NOT
TO PUT THE CAMERA IN THE CAR.
I TELL YOU, THEY WANT TO PUT THE
CAMERAS IN THE SPARE CARS AND WE
WOULD URGE YOU TO THINK
POSITIVELY ABOUT THAT.
THAT WAY IT'S ALL THE SAME ALL
THE TIME WITH THE CAMERAS.
AND THIS CAMERA SYSTEM THAT THEY
HAD INVESTED IN IS
STATE-OF-THE-ART STUFF AND
SHOULD DO THE JOB THAT YOU ALL
WANT DONE.
THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM IS
ANOTHER CALEA REQUIREMENT.
QUITE HONESTLY, IT DOES NOT
SPECIFICALLY TOUCH ON THIS
ISSUE.
BUT WE HAVE IN CONVERSATIONS
WITH THE DEPARTMENT RECOMMENDED
THAT THEY ADD THAT ON THEIR OWN,
RATHER THAN THE PURE CALEA
REQUIREMENT DOES NOT INCLUDE
THAT, THE TRAFFIC STOP DATA.
IT MOSTLY DEALS WITH THE
COMPLAINTS.
IT DEALS WITH USE OF FORCE.
IT DEALS WITH NEGATIVE THINGS
THAT WOULD OCCUR TO A PARTICULAR
OFFICER.
AND THE COMPILATION OF THAT
WOULD RAISE A FLAG ABOUT A
PARTICULAR OFFICER AND AS AN
EARLY WARNING AND ALLOW THE
SUPERVISION MANAGEMENT TO TAKE
CARE OF THAT.
WE ARE URGING THEM TO INCLUDE
THE TRAFFIC STOP INFORMATION IN
THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM.
NUMBERS, LOCATIONS, THAT SORT OF
THING, JUST PURELY AS A REVIEW.
AND MY CONVERSATION, MY
IMPRESSION IS THEY ARE WILLING
TO DO THAT IF YOU ALL DIRECT
THAT.
WE HAD A LITTLE TROUBLE WITH THE
TERM HOT SPOTS, QUITE HONESTLY.
I KNOW IT'S USED AND USED
NATIONWIDE.
IT'S USED FREQUENTLY TO
DETERMINE, TO DESCRIBE AN AREA
THAT IS A PROBLEM AREA.
WE FOUND THAT IT HAD NEGATIVE
CONNOTATIONS, PARTICULARLY IN
VIEW OF WHAT YOU AND THE CITY
AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAVE
BEEN THROUGH.
AND WE WOULD ASK AND WOULD
SUGGEST THAT A NEW TERM BE
DETERMINED.
AND WE ABANDONED THE TERM HOT
SPOT.
HOWEVER, IT DOESN'T REALLY
MATTER WHAT YOU CALL IT.
IT'S STILL THERE.
SO I THINK THE STRATEGIES OF
DETERMINING WHERE THOSE AREAS
ARE OUGHT TO BE CLEARLY
DESCRIBED AND AVAILABLE FOR YOUR
REVIEW.
AGAIN, IT'S MY IMPRESSION THAT
THE DEPARTMENT IS WILLING TO DO
THAT IF YOU DIRECT THEM.
FOR LIABILITY OF THE STATISTICAL
DATA HAS BEEN ONE MISHAP AFTER
THE OTHER.
AND THIS GOES BACK TO 2010.
AS YOU ALL KNOW, THIS IS NOT
NEWS.
THERE HAS BEEN PROBLEMS WITH THE
CLERICAL STAFF.
THERE'S BEEN PROBLEMS WITH SOME
ENTRY THAT DIDN'T GET DONE
RIGHT.
THERE'S BEEN SOME LATE
SUBMISSION FOR WHATEVER REASON
THAT'S BEEN THIS AND THAT.
I DON'T THINK ANYTHING
INDIVIDUALLY WAS DESIGNED TO BE
THAT WAY.
IT JUST TURNED OUT TO BE THAT
WAY AND CONTINUES TO BE.
AND THERE'S STILL SOME POLLS IN
THAT AND SOME FLAWS.
THAT'S GOT TO BE FIXED.
IF YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THE
STATE LAW AND GOING TO MAKE SURE
THAT THAT DATA IS ONE OF THE
YARD STICKS THAT'S USED TO
MEASURE THE COMMUNITY
EFFECTIVENESS OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THEN YOU NEED TO FIX
THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S ON THIS SLIDE,
BUT WE ARE RECOMMENDING A
FULL-TIME CLERICAL-TYPE PERSON
TO BE SPECIFICALLY IN CHARGE OF
THAT UNDER THE DIRECTION OF A
SUPERVISOR THAT STAYS ABREAST OF
THAT ESSENTIALLY 24/7.
DURING THE QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS
DONE BY DR. QIMBY, THERE WERE
SEVERAL FINDINGS AND SEVERAL
OTHER COMMENTS OF NOTE.
AND WE WILL SHARE THOSE WITH
YOU.
ONE, YOU SAID THERE ARE
PERSISTENT PROBLEMS THAT EXIST
IN THIS WHOLE MATTER.
AND ALMOST ALL OF THE PROBLEMS
CENTERED AROUND COMMUNICATIONS.
COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY AND
WITH THE CITY.
AND AS A RESULT, TRUST ISSUES
DEVELOPED.
HE ALSO INDICATED THAT RACIAL
PROFILING MAY OR MAY NOT EXIST
IN THE CITY OF FAYETTEVILLE.
HE SUGGESTED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK
AT THE ANECDOTAL NARRATIVE AND
YOU LOOK AT IT VERY
SUBJECTIVELY, THEN YOU CAN INFER
THERE'S RACIAL PROFILING.
AND HE ALSO INDICATED WHEN YOU
LOOKED AT THE PATTERNS OF POLICE
ENCOUNTERS SUCH AS TRAFFIC STOPS
AND THE NUMBER OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO WERE
STOPPED COMPARED TO OTHERS IN
THE COMMUNITY, THEN THAT COULD
BE AN INFERENCE OF RACIAL
PROFILING.
HE ALSO INDICATED THAT WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, LOOK AT THE
STATISTICAL DATA AND YOU LOOK AT
IT OBJECTIVELY, THERE COULD BE A
HINT OF RACIAL PROFILING, BUT AT
THE SAME TIME THE STATISTICAL
DATA, THAT SAME STATISTICAL DATA
SUGGESTS THAT YOU CANNOT PROVE
RACIAL PROFILING.
SO THERE'S A SERIES OF THINGS
THAT ARE INVOLVED HERE.
AND EVEN THOUGH I HAVE SAID A
NUMBER OF THINGS THAT MAY BE
CONFUSING, HE IS SAYING PRETTY
MUCH THAT THERE ARE MANY WAYS
THAT RACIAL PROFILING CAN BE
IMPLIED, BUT WHEN IT DEALS WITH
STATISTICAL ANALYSIS, AND IN
PARTICULAR THE DATA THAT WE HAVE
AND IS PRESENTED TO US TONIGHT,
IT'S DIFFICULT TO SAY THAT
RACIAL PROFILING EXISTS.
AND HE'S NOT PREPARED TO SAY
THAT.
HE SAID THAT ONE OF THE BIGGEST
ISSUES RIGHT NOW IN GETTING THIS
WHOLE MATTER RESOLVED IS THAT
THERE ARE HARDENED VIEWS.
PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES ARE
POSTURING AND IT'S BLOCKED
COMMUNICATION.
THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE THAT
GOOD EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION TO
FACILITATE A RESOLUTION.
IT'S THAT THERE ARE
CONTRADICTORY PERCEPTIONS.
AND THAT COULD BE MINIMIZED BY
CONFLICT RESOLUTION SESSIONS.
HE ALSO INDICATED THAT THE CITY
AND THE COMMUNITY MISSED SOME
OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESOLUTION BY
DEALING WITH THIS ISSUE EARLY
ON.
HE SUGGESTED OUTREACH AND
ENGAGEMENT PROGRAMS AND
COMMUNITY EDUCATION.
HE SAYS THAT MANY PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY, NO MATTER WHAT THE
EDUCATIONAL LEVEL MAY NOT BE
AWARE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT
PRACTICES OR EVEN THE LAWS.
THE CITY AND THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT SHOULD TAKE IT UPON
THEMSELVES TO EDUCATE THE
COMMUNITY, TO TELL THEM ABOUT
CONSENT SEARCHES, TELL THEM WHAT
THAT MEANS, TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC
STOPS, WHAT THAT MEANS, TALK
ABOUT MANY ISSUES INVOLVING
POLICE RESPONSE AND THE DELIVERY
OF POLICE SERVICES AND TELL THEM
WHAT THOSE THINGS MEAN.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE IN THE
COMMUNITY VIEW TRAFFIC STOPS AS
NECESSARY.
WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT POLICE
OFFICERS ARE WELCOME TO COME IN
TO MAKE TRAFFIC STOPS IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD, TO CONDUCT
SEARCHES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
BECAUSE THEY ARE ONLY INTERESTED
IN PREVENTING INDIVIDUALS FROM
COMING AND BREAKING INTO THEIR
HOMES.
BUT THEN THERE ARE OTHER FOLK IN
THE VERY SAME NEIGHBORHOOD WHO
HAVE SAID THAT THEY DON'T TRUST
THE POLICE AND THEY FEEL THESE
ACTIONS ARE WRONG AND EVEN
DISCRIMINATORY.
THERE HAS BEEN COMMUNICATIONS.
THERE HAVE BEEN COMMUNITY
FORUMS.
THERE HAVE BEEN PRIVATE
MEETINGS.
THERE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC MEETINGS.
THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES HERE AT
THE CITY COUNCIL.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THE
COMMUNICATION LACKS MUTUALLY
SATISFACTORY RESULTS.
IT HAS GONE ON AND ON AND ON.
BUT THE SATISFACTION LEVEL HAS
NOT BEEN THERE.
NOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS
MADE SOME EFFORTS TO FACILITATE
COMMUNICATIONS, EFFECTIVE
COMMUNICATION.
AND WE APPLAUD THEM FOR THE
COMMUNITY WELLNESS PROGRAM.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT THEY HAVE
DONE TRAINING FOR PERSONNEL IN
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL
AS OFFERED TRAINING FOR THE
CITIZENS OF FAYETTEVILLE.
THE RIDE-ALONG PROGRAM HAS BEEN
AN EDUCATIONAL PROCESS IN AND OF
ITSELF FOR CITIZENS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS WHOLE ISSUE
OF RACIAL PROFILING, BACK IN
2001, NOBLE CONDUCTED A STUDY
AND ISSUED A REPORT.
THIS WAS EARLY ON IN THIS
DISCUSSION ABOUT RACIAL
PROFILING AND RESULTED FROM THE
CASE INVOLVING THE NEW JERSEY
STATE POLICE IN 1999.
EARLY THINKING -- AND WHEN I SAY
EARLY THINKING, THAT INCLUDES
NOBLE'S THINKING.
INDICATED THAT BIAS-BASED
POLICING WAS ESTABLISHED BY
COMPARING THE AGGREGATE OF THE
NUMBER OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS WHO
WERE STOPPED FOR TRAFFIC
VIOLATIONS.
AND THEN MAKING THAT COMPARISON
WITH THE AGGREGATE NUMBER OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS IN THE TOTAL
POPULATION.
THERE'S BEEN SOME FRESH THINKING
ALONG THOSE LINES AND WE NOW
FEEL THAT THE AGGREGATE'S
APPROACH IS MISLEADING.
SOCIAL SCIENTISTS SUGGEST THAT
OTHER THINGS SHOULD BE
CONSIDERED LIKE SOCIOECONOMIC
FACTORS.
OPERATIONAL MEASURES AND WHERE
THE TRAFFIC STOPS OCCURRED, WHY
THEY OCCURRED, WHETHER OR NOT
POLICE WERE DEPLOYED AND MAYBE
SQUADS OR WHATEVER TO ADDRESS AN
ISSUE WHERE FATALITIES MAY HAVE
OCCURRED IN ORDER TO REDUCE THE
NUMBER OF FATALITIES, IN ORDER
TO RESPOND TO AREAS WHERE
COMPLAINTS WERE RECEIVED ABOUT
DRUG VIOLATIONS, IN ORDER TO
CURB THOSE DRUG VIOLATIONS.
SO THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS
THAT SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT
DISCUSSION THAT HAVE NOT AND
WERE NOT INCLUDED.
AGAIN, IT'S NO LONGER SUFFICIENT
TO COMPARE THOSE AGGREGATES THAT
I MENTIONED BEFORE.
THERE ARE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED.
THERE'S A SPECIAL NOTE.
AND THE DECISION ON RACIAL
PROFILING ARE PARAMOUNT AND THEY
SHOULD NOT BE BASED ON ANALYSIS
OF INCOMPLETE DATA AND SOLELY ON
ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
WHAT WE HAVE IS A VAST NUMBER
AND VAST AMOUNT OF STATISTICAL
DATA, BUT IT'S INCOMPLETE.
WE ALSO HAVE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE
FROM THE COMMUNITY, FROM OTHER
FOLK.
BUT WE CAN'T USE EITHER ONE.
ONE OR THE OTHER IN ORDER TO
MAKE A DETERMINATION ON RACIAL
PROFILING.
WE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER ISSUES
THAT MIGHT VERY WELL IMPACT THIS
ENTIRE ISSUE.
BACK IN 2010, THERE WERE 22,000
TRAFFIC CITATIONS WRITTEN BY THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
ALMOST 7,000 OF THOSE TRAFFIC
CITATIONS WERE WRITTEN BY 20
FAYETTEVILLE POLICE OFFICERS.
AND THAT MEANS THAT 5% OF ALL
OFFICERS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR
WRITING MORE THAN 32% OF ALL
TRAFFIC CITATIONS IN 2010.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT SUMTE 2011, THE
TOTALS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT THE
RESULTS ARE THE SAME.
5% RESPONSIBLE FOR WRITING 32%
OF TRAFFIC CITATIONS.
THAT MAY BE SIGNIFICANT AND IT
MAY NOT.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WHEN WE LOOKED AT DEPLOYMENT, WE
TALKED ABOUT ONCE AGAIN WE DON'T
KNOW WHETHER THESE POLICE
OFFICERS WERE EMPLOYED TO CURB
THE FATALITIES, REDUCE THE
FATALITIES OR TO ADDRESS TRAFFIC
ISSUES.
I'M SORRY.
DRUG ISSUES.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT.
THE INFORMATION IS NOT
AVAILABLE.
WE ALSO NEED TO KNOW WHETHER
POLICE OFFICERS WERE ACCUSED OF
MISCONDUCT, HARASSMENT,
UNPROFESSIONAL CONDUCT, ALL OF
THOSE THINGS.
BUT AGAIN, WE CANNOT MAKE THAT
DETERMINATION.
AND THE REASON WHY WE CANNOT IS
BECAUSE OF THE NORTH CAROLINA
LAW THAT PROHIBITS REVEALING THE
IDENTITY OF THOSE POLICE
OFFICERS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
NUMBER OF TRAFFIC TICKETS THAT
THEY WROTE.
WE NEED TO KNOW THE UNITS THAT
THEY WERE ASSIGNED, THE SHIFTS,
THE BEATS, OTHER OPERATION
ACTIVITIES.
NOW, WE BELIEVE THAT THIS
INFORMATION MAY ACTUALLY PRESENT
A SKEWING EFFECT OF THE TOTAL
NUMBERS.
AND I TALKED ABOUT 2010, 2011.
BUT 2009 AND EARLIER ARE NOT
AVAILABLE TO US.
NOW, WHEN I TALKED ABOUT THESE
20 OFFICERS, THERE IS NOTHING TO
SUGGEST THAT ANY OF THESE 20
OFFICERS WERE INVOLVED IN
MISCONDUCT.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT AND WE'RE NOT
SUGGESTING THAT.
THAT UNKNOWN INFORMATION IS JUST
ANOTHER PIECE OF MISSING DATA WE
WOULD NEED TO MAKE A
DETERMINATION.
AND IN CONCLUSION, USING ALL THE
AVAILABLE DATA COLLECTED IN THE
STUDY, IT WILL BE DIFFICULT TO
DESCRIBE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT'S
TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT AS RACIAL
PROFILING.
AND THEN -- AND I'M GOING TO
READ THIS.
THE RAW DATA SUPPORTS SOME OF
THE NEGATIVE CONCERNS EXPRESSED
BY THE COMMUNITY.
WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAS ACKNOWLEDGED
THAT.
AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE SUBJECTED
TO TRAFFIC STOPS AND CONSENSUAL
SEARCHES AT A DISPROPORTIONATELY
HIGHER RATE THAN OTHERS IN THE
COMMUNITY.
THE STATISTICAL DATA BEARS THAT
OUT.
THIS PRACTICE REMAINS A CONCERN
AND REQUIRES THE IMMEDIATE
ATTENTION OF THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY TO
ACHIEVE AN EXPEDITIOUS
RESOLUTION.
NOW, WE HAVE 24 RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT WE'D LIKE TO SHARE TO YOU
FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT,
MOVING FORWARD.
>> I'D LIKE TO GO BACK JUST A
SECOND TO THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OR
TWO WHERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE 20 OFFICERS.
IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE WERE
RECOMMENDING THAT THE EARLY
WARNING SYSTEM BE EXPANDED TO
INCLUDE TRAFFIC-RELATED ISSUES
WHEN IN FACT IT HAS NOT BEEN IN
THE PAST.
NOW, IS THAT GOING TO SOLVE THE
PROBLEM?
I DON'T KNOW.
BUT AT LEAST IT WOULD GIVE THE
POLICE ADMINISTRATION THE DATA
THAT THEY NEED ON NOT ONLY THE
220 OFFICERS, BUT EVERY OFFICER
IN THE DEPARTMENT IN THAT HIGH
PRODUCTION LEVEL OF TRAFFIC
CITATIONS.
SO THAT EARLY WARNING SYSTEM
COMMENT THAT WE MADE 10 MINUTES
AGO OR SO PLAYS RIGHT INTO THAT
LAST ISSUE.
WE CAN FAST FORWARD A LITTLE BIT
THROUGH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BECAUSE WE HAVE DISCUSSED
SEVERAL OF THEM ALREADY, I'M NOT
GOING TO MISS ANY OF THE
IMPORTANT ONES.
AGAIN, CONTINUING TO ADDRESS THE
RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY THE PURF
STUDY, KEEP CURRENT ON BEST
PRACTICE IN LAW ENFORCEMENT,
INCREASE THE USE OF PUBLIC
ACCOUNTABILITY METHODS AND I'LL
SPEAK TO THAT IN A MINUTE.
THE CONSENT FORM IS WARRANTED.
WE DID NOT KNOW WHEN WE WROTE
THIS SECTION OF THE REPORT THAT
THE CONSENT FORM WAS BEING
DEVELOPED AND DEPLOYED HERE IN
THE FAYETTEVILLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
WE WERE STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF THE
WRITTEN CONSENT WAIVER --
WRITTEN WAIVER FOR CONSENT
SEARCHES IN TRAFFIC STOPS.
THEY HAVE DONE THAT.
IN FACT, WHAT THEY HAVE DONE,
THEY TOOK TWO DOCUMENTS THAT
THEY HAD AND COMBINED THEM INTO
ONE.
AND THE RESULT IS A
MULTI-PURPOSE CONSENT FORM
THAT'S GOOD FOR INVESTIGATIONS
AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC STOPS.
AND IT APPEARS TO BE VERY
EFFECTIVELY DESIGNED.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT
DISCONTINUING THE USE OF TSRs.
NUMBER 6, SAME THING.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT ON THE
STREAMLINE THE TSR REPORT TO GO
WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES.
THEY HAVE IN FACT EFFECTIVE THE
JANUARY 1st IN NUMBER SEVEN
REQUIRED THE OFFICER TO DOCUMENT
REASONS FOR THE TRAFFIC STOP
OUTSIDE OF THE TSR.
IN THE NUMBER EIGHT IS A FIELD
CONTACT ISSUE WHICH WAS RELATED
TO THAT.
THAT'S JUST WHERE THEY DO IT.
THEY HAVE CARDS IN NUMBER NINE
HERE.
THEY HAVE CARDS THAT ARE ISSUED
TO ALL PATROL CARS.
AND THEY ARE LAMINATED AND THEY
HAVE TIPS FOR A SUCCESSFUL
TRAFFIC STOP ON THEM.
THEY REVISED THAT CARD AND PUT
SOME ADDITIONAL LEGAL
INFORMATION ON IT AND RELAYED
THOSE WITH THE NEW CARDS.
AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TWO
YEARS IN MAKING THE TSRs
AVAILABLE.
THEY HAVE A BROCHURE, HAVE HAD A
BROCHURE FOR YEARS ON HOW TO
FILE A COMPLAINT ON A POLICE
OFFICER.
UPON REVIEW, IT NEEDED SOME
TWEAKING AND THEY HAVE REDONE
THAT.
AND THE NEW BROCHURES ARE
PUBLISHED AND AVAILABLE NOW AND
THEY ARE MUCH MORE CONTEMPORARY.
AND THERE'S A LINK ON THE
WEBSITE TO GET TO THE WAY TO
FILE THE COMPLAINT IF SOMEONE IS
INTERESTED IN DOING IT THAT WAY.
NOW, NUMBER 12, IT LOOKS LIKE A
SHORT LINE THERE.
BUT I WANT TO TALK ABOUT A
REVIEW TEAM.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE
RECOMMEND.
CURRENTLY, THERE IS NO
LEGISLATIVE PROCESS FOR CITIZENS
TO BE INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF
COMPLAINTS AGAINST POLICE
OFFICERS.
THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT IS
COMMONLY CALLED CITIZEN REVIEW
BOARD OR A NUMBER OF OTHER
TITLES.
AND AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, MOST
POLICE OFFICIALS AND OFFICERS
ARE RESISTANT TO THAT.
THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY BAD
EXPERIENCES ACROSS THE COUNTRY
WITH THAT IDEA.
THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN SOME GOOD
ONES.
OUR RECOMMENDATION IS A HYBRID.
AND IN OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH
IS DETAILED IN YOUR WRITTEN
REPORT, WE RECOMMEND THAT THE
CHIEF OF POLICE WITH ADVICE AND
CONSENT OF THE CITY MANAGER
SELECT SOME COMMUNITY PEOPLE TO
BE INVOLVED AS A CITIZEN REVIEW
TEAM.
A COMPLAINT REVIEW TEAM.
THE TEAM IS LARGER THAN JUST
CITIZENS.
IT INCLUDES A COUPLE OF POLICE
COMMANDERS PERHAPS.
IT ALSO INCLUDES POSSIBLY A
LOWER RANKING OFFICER.
AND THE WAY IT WOULD WORK IS
THAT THE PROCESS DOES NOT REALLY
CHANGE UP THROUGH THE COMPLAINT
BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND A DETERMINATION
BEING MADE BY POLICE COMMAND AS
TO WHETHER THE COMPLAINT IS
SUSTAINED OR NOT SUSTAINED OR
UNFOUNDED, WHATEVER THE
CATEGORIES ARE AND THEY ARE
DETAILED IN YOUR NOTES THERE.
SO THAT DOESN'T CHANGE.
BUT AT THAT POINT, THE CHIEF,
ACCORDING TO OUR RECOMMENDATION,
WOULD HAVE A DECISION TO MAKE.
HE LOOKS AT THE COMPLAINT, LOOKS
AT THE SUBSTANCE OF IT, LOOKS AT
THE GRAVITY OF IT AND THE IMPACT
THIS ISSUE WOULD HAVE ON THE
COMMUNITY.
AND HE ASSEMBLES HIS REVIEW
TEAM.
AND HE HAS HIS ADVOCATE, WHICH
WE WOULD SAY WOULD BE THE
INTERNAL AFFAIRS COMMANDER TO GO
TO THE TEAM AND MAKE THE
PRESENTATION TO THE TEAM OF WHAT
THE DEPARTMENT HEARD, WHAT THEY
DID, WHAT THEY DETERMINED.
AT WHICH POINT THE REVIEW TEAM
WOULD, AGAIN, REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE COMMUNITY AND POLICE COMMAND
WOULD REVIEW THAT AND DETERMINE
IF THEY AGREE.
QUITE SIMPLY.
THEY MIGHT SAY THERE ARE SOME
UNANSWERED QUESTIONS HERE AND WE
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW ABOUT THIS OR
THIS.
OR WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH THE
DECISION OF THE DEPARTMENT.
OR WE DON'T AGREE AND HERE'S
WHY.
THAT INFORMATION THEN GOES BACK
TO THE CHIEF.
HE HAS ANOTHER DECISION TO MAKE.
HE'S NOT BOUND BY WHAT THEY SAY.
WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO IS READ WHAT
THEY SAY AND EVALUATE IT AND
THEN MAKE ANOTHER DECISION.
DOES HE WANT TO STICK WITH THE
ORIGINAL DECISION OF THE
DEPARTMENT?
OR DOES HE WANT TO MODIFY IT
BASED ON WHAT THE REVIEW TEAM'S
THOUGHTS WERE?
AND AT THAT POINT, IF THE REVIEW
TEAM HAS SAID NO, THEN HE
ULTIMATELY GOES BACK TO THEM
THROUGH THE ADVOCATE AND TELLS
THEM WHAT THE FINAL DECISION
WAS.
AND THE ISSUE IS SETTLED.
IF THEY HAVE AGREED, OF COURSE,
THERE'S NO CONFLICT.
WE HAVEN'T GOT THE DISCIPLINE OF
THIS BECAUSE THAT'S THE CHIEF'S
DECISION AT THE END OF THE DAY.
IF THE COMPLAINT IS SUSTAINED,
THEN HE WOULD APPLY THE YARD
STICK THE DISCIPLINE LIKE ANY
OTHER INCIDENT, WHETHER OR NOT
IT WENT TO THE REVIEW TEAM.
WE FEEL THAT IS A HYBRID MODEL
THAT MIGHT HELP HEAL SOME OF THE
COMPLAINTS THAT LACK OF
TRANSPARENCY, SOME OF THE
COMPLAINTS OF WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU COVER UP
FOR YOUR OFFICERS AND THIS AND
THAT WE HEARD THROUGH SOME OF
THE ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE.
SO WE JUST FELT LIKE THAT WAS A
GOOD HYBRID MODEL THAT HAS BEEN
USED IN OTHER PLACES AND SEEMS
TO WORK PRETTY WELL.
THE TEAM ITSELF DOES NOT
INVESTIGATE.
THEY DON'T HAVE SUBPOENA POWER.
THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER
THAN WHAT THE CHIEF GIVES THEM.
SO IT BECOMES YOU WOULD SAY A
SUPERVISORY ISSUE BETWEEN THE
CITY MANAGER AND THE CHIEF AS TO
HOW THAT TEAM IS GIVEN THEIR
ISSUES TO LOOK AT.
BUT IT WOULD CERTAINLY GIVE THE
COMMUNITY A VOICE.
NUMBER 13, IN-CAR CAMERAS WE
TALKED ABOUT.
THE THIRD MEMBER OF OUR TEAM
THAT CHIEF WILSON REFERRED TO,
DAVE SCOTT, IS A PERSONNEL GUY.
AND HE HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT
INVOLVING HUMAN RESOURCES.
THIS IS WHERE THAT CAME FROM IN
THE HIRING AND PROMOTIONAL
PROCESSES AND VALIDATION OF TEST
INSTRUMENTS AND THAT SORT OF
THING.
AND THEY ARE ALL WELL-TAKEN.
THAT IS ALSO IN YOUR BOOK IN
DETAIL.
SLIGHTLY OFFPOINT TO THIS ISSUE,
BUT THAT CAME ALONG WHEN WE WERE
DOING WHAT WE DID.
15 WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT.
OH, 16 IS THE CURRENT PRACTICE
THAT THE HUMAN RELATIONS
DIRECTOR HAS APPOINTED A, QUOTE,
COMMUNITY LIAISON, END QUOTE, TO
RECEIVE BIAS-BASED COMPLAINTS ON
POLICE OFFICERS THAT HAPPEN TO
COME TO THE HUMAN RELATIONS
COMMISSION.
NOT THROUGH THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, BUT STRAIGHT TO
THEM.
WHEN THAT IS TRIGGERED, IF THAT
COMPLAINT OCCURS, THEN THE HUMAN
RELATIONS COMMUNITY LIAISON
WORKS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE
DEPARTMENT TO SHEPHERD THAT
COMPLAINT THROUGH THE SYSTEM.
AND THEY WOULD BE FULLY AWARE AT
THE HUMAN RELATIONS OFFICE OF
WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT
BIAS-BASED COMPLAINT.
UNFORTUNATELY, IF A COMPLAINT --
CURRENTLY, IF A COMPLAINT COMES
STRAIGHT TO THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, THE HUMAN RELATIONS
COMMUNITY LIAISON IS NEVER
ACTIVATED.
AND WE ARE SAYING SCRAP THAT
PLAN, LET THE TWO OF THEM WORK
ON EVERY BIAS-BASED COMPLAINT
TOGETHER SO ALL SIDES KNOW WHAT
IS SAID.
HUMAN RELATIONS IS A KEY PLAYER
HERE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE BACK TO
COMMUNICATIONS.
I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING
INTENTIONAL ON THE PART OF THE
DEPARTMENT.
IT JUST HASN'T COME UP THAT WAY.
WHILE THE POLICY EXISTS, THE
CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE NOT SO FAR
RESULTED IN IT BEING TRIGGERED.
WE SAY INVOLVE THE TWO OF THEM
IN EVERYTHING.
AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF DETAIL
ON THAT IN YOUR REPORT.
WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE
FULL-TIME DATA ENTRY PERSON, THE
TERM HOT SPOTS.
WE RECOMMEND IT BE DISCONTINUED.
NUMBER 19 IS AGAIN STREAMLINING
BACK TO THE INFORMATION REQUIRED
ON THE TSR FOR REPORTING
PURPOSES.
AND 20 IS RELATED TO THAT.
WE SUGGEST THAT THEY DO A SURVEY
OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS AND SEE HOW
THEY ARE HANDLING THAT
PARTICULAR ISSUE BEFORE THEY GO
TOO FAR WITH IT.
AND THAT ALSO MIGHT GIVE THEM
SOME AMMUNITION TO SHOW THAT
MAYBE IT WASN'T AS BAD AS IT
SOUNDED IN THAT PARTICULAR AREA.
CAMERA POLICY IS DONE.
SAW IT TODAY.
EARLY WARNING SYSTEM WE TALKED
ABOUT.
NUMBER 23 IS A BIG ONE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT -- AND
AGAIN, THERE IS A LOT OF DETAIL
IN YOUR NOTES THERE.
WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT A VIDEO
BE PRODUCED, PROBABLY A
30-MINUTE VIDEO THAT WILL BE
NARATED BY A MEMBER OF THE
COMMUNITY.
QUITE HONESTLY, WE RECOMMEND IT
BE SOMEBODY WHO HAS BEEN ON THE
OPPOSITE SIDE OF THIS.
LET ME SAY THIS.
MY ANECDOTAL COMMENT IS I'M SURE
CHIEF WILSON WILL AGREE AND DAVE
SCOTT, ESSENTIALLY EVERYBODY
THAT WE INTERVIEWED, SERIOUSLY
EVERYBODY, SAID WHAT CAN WE DO
TO HELP?
I'M WILLING TO HELP WITH THIS.
YOU KNOW, I MAY BE THE FURTHEST
OUT HERE ON THE COMPLAINING
SIDE, AND I MAY BE THE FURTHEST
OUT HERE ON THE SUPPORT THE
DEPARTMENT SIDE, BUT THEY ALL
WANTED TO HELP.
THEY ALL WERE WILLING TO COMMIT
TO HELP.
SO YOU THINK THEY OUGHT TO BE
PUT TO TASK ON THAT.
SO LET'S HAVE THIS 30-MINUTE
VIDEO NARRATED BY SOMEONE IN
THIS DIRECTION, STARRING THE
CHIEF FIRST WHO TALKS ABOUT THEE
NECESSITY FOR TRAFFIC STOPS AND
BRING IN SOMEBODY FROM THE
POLICE ATTORNEY OR SOMEONE WHO
CAN PRESENT THE LEGAL SIDE OF
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OFFICER
AND THE CITIZEN IN A TRAFFIC
STOP.
AND RESPONSIBILITIES
SPECIFICALLY OF THE OFFICER AND
THE CITIZEN IN CONSENT, ASKING
FOR CONSENT SEARCH.
NEXT WE WOULD SUGGEST POSSIBLY A
COUPLE OF BRIEF SKITS INVOLVING
PROBABLY A SENIOR WELL-KNOWN
OFFICER OF THE DEPARTMENT THAT
PEOPLE WILL RECOGNIZE AND HAVE
SOME FAITH IN.
AND GO THROUGH A COUPLE OF
EXAMPLES OF THE RIGHT AND WRONG
WAYS OF DOING THINGS, AT LEAST
THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT, WHETHER
IT'S WRONG OR NOT, AND THEN WRAP
IT UP WITH THE CHIEF KIND OF
TYING IT ALL TOGETHER AND THE
NARRATOR WORKING HIS WAY OUT OF
IT.
THAT WAY WE'VE GOT THE MEAT OF
THE PRESENTATION IS THE LEGAL
SIDE.
WE ARE GETTING THE MESSAGE OUT
TO HERE'S THE FACTS ABOUT THE
LEGAL SIDE.
SUPPLEMENTED ON EITHER SIDE BY
THE NECESSITY FOR TRAFFIC STOPS
AND THE KITS THAT DEMONSTRATE.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY NUMBER 23.
WE THINK THESE RECOMMENDATIONS
THAT WE'RE MAKING SHOULD BE MADE
PUBLIC.
I THINK WE RAN OUT OF SLIDES
HERE.
LET ME MAKE SURE THAT --
POST THE RECOMMENDATIONS ON THE
WEBSITE, THAT WAS WHAT THAT ONE
WAS.
DO YOU WANT ME TO COVER THIS
RIGHT NOW?
I DON'T WANT TO SAY IN SUMMARY,
BUT THERE'S A CONCLUSIONS PAGE
IN YOUR DOCUMENT.
AND I'D LIKE TO QUOTE A COUPLE
OF THINGS FROM THAT CONCLUSIONS
PAGE.
IT'S 45, BY THE WAY, IN YOUR
PACKET.
THE DATA PROBLEM IS IN FACT PART
OF THE PROBLEM.
BUT THAT'S NOT THE WHOLE
PROBLEM.
AND WE'RE SAYING THAT STRAIGHTEN
OUT THE DATA END OF IT, WHICH IS
GOING TO MAKE FUTURE ANALYSES
EASIER TO DO USING THE RIGHT
INFORMATION.
HOWEVER, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO
QUOTE.
CLEANING UP THE DATA FOR FUTURE
ANALYSES NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT
THE SIGNIFICANT KEY TO LONG-TERM
RESOLUTION WILL BE DETAILED
ATTENTION BY THE FAYETTEVILLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT MANAGEMENT AND
SUPERVISORS TO ENSURE POLICY
COMPLIANCE IN ALL ASPECTS OF
THIS COMPLEX ISSUE.
THE DEPARTMENT NEEDS TO
CONSTANTLY EXAMINE ITS MISSION
AND ITS EFFECTIVENESS AT
REACHING INFOR BALANCED AGAINSTE
NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY.
IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, THAT
ACTUALLY SAYS A LOT BECAUSE WE
KNOW THE DATA IS INACCURATE OR
AT LEAST INCOMPLETE.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT TO FIX THAT.
BUT ALL THESE NEW POLICIES THAT
THEY HAVE WRITTEN WOULD ALL
POINT TO SOLVING THIS ISSUE.
I'M SORRY.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> AND IT POINTS TO THE
WILLINGNESS OF THE DEPARTMENT TO
CHANGE POLICY AND TO IMPLEMENT
THE CONSENT FORM AND TO DO THIS
AND DO THAT.
DO THE VIDEO, ESTABLISH THE
REVIEW TEAM, INVOLVE HUMAN
RELATIONS.
ALL THOSE THINGS ARE GREAT.
BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT
SUPERVISION OF THOSE RANK AND
FILE OFFICERS AND COMMAND REVIEW
OF THE SUPERVISORS DOING THE
SUPERVISING ARE GOING TO MAKE
THIS THING WORK.
ALL OF US WITH EITHER POLICE OR
MILITARY EXPERIENCE UNDERSTAND
THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THE
ACCOUNTABILITY THAT GOES UP AND
DOWN THAT CHAIN.
AND IT'S IMPERATIVE IN OUR MINDS
THAT SUPERVISORS AND COMMANDERS
DO THEIR JOB.
>> AND THE FINAL COMMENT,
MR. MAYOR, AND THEN WE WILL TAKE
QUESTIONS IF YOU DESIRE.
IS THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE ARE
THINGS THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE
BETTER.
AND THEY HAVE DEMONSTRATED A
COMMITMENT TO FIX ANY PROBLEMS.
BUT THE ISSUE REMAINS THAT THE
RAW DATA STILL INDICATES THAT
RACIAL DISPARITY AND TRAFFIC
ENFORCEMENT AND THAT THERE IS A
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF
AFRICAN-AMERICANS SUBJECTED TO
TRAFFIC STOPS AND CONSENT
SEARCHES.
THIS IS A REMAINING CONCERN THAT
THE FAYETTEVILLE POLICE
DEPARTMENT AND THE COMMUNITY
MUST RESOLVE TOGETHER AND IT
SHOULD BE DONE QUICKLY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, SIR.
THANKS FOR YOUR REPORT.
AND I'M SURE WE WILL HAVE SOME
QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS
HERE.
I'LL START.
I HAVE A COUPLE, SIR, IF YOU
HAVE A SECOND.
>> YES, SIR.
>> I'D LIKE TO UNDERSTAND MORE
ABOUT THESE 20 POLICE OFFICERS
AND I THINK TO THE AVERAGE
CITIZEN, WE DON'T -- IT'S
DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY
HOW WE MIGHT NOT KNOW WHO THEY
ARE AND, AS YOU SAID, IT COULD
VERY WELL BE WERE WE TO KNOW WHO
THEY WERE, IT MIGHT EXPLAIN
EXACTLY WHY THOSE ARE SO HIGH.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WHEN YOU SAY WE'RE NOT ALLOWED
LEGALLY TO KNOW WHO THE OFFICERS
WERE, DOES THAT EXTEND TO THE --
DOES THE POLICE DEPARTMENT KNOW
WHO THEY ARE?
THEY KNOW?
>> YES.
>> SO THEY ARE ABLE TO MONITOR
THAT SITUATION AND THEY WOULD
KNOW THOSE 20 OFFICERS ARE 5%
AND WRITING THAT LARGE NUMBER.
THAT'S SOMETHING THEY WOULD BE
ABLE TO MANAGE.
>> THAT'S WHERE WE GOT THE
INFORMATION.
IS FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
>> THEY KNOW THE INDIVIDUALS.
>> THEY DO.
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, LET ME JUST
CLARIFY THIS.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DID A
SEARCH ON THE NCDOG WEBSITE.
OKAY.
NOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO DETERMINE
THE 20 POLICE OFFICERS BY NUMBER
ALONE.
IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY
DIDN'T HAVE A NAME, JUST
STRICTLY NUMBERS.
>> YOU MIGHT WANT TO EXPLAIN
THAT.
I DON'T THINK WE'RE REALLY, YOU
KNOW, UNDERSTANDING.
>> THE WAY IT REALLY WORKS IS
THAT THE STATE LAW IS INTENT ON
PROTECTING ANY INDIVIDUAL
OFFICER'S IDENTITY.
AND THERE'S SECTIONS IN THAT
STATE LAW THAT SPEAK DIRECTLY TO
THAT.
AND ONE OF THOSE IS YOU CAN'T
USE HIS NAME, HER NAME.
YOU CAN'T USE HIS BADGE NUMBER,
HER BADGE NUMBER.
YOU CAN'T USE ANYTHING THAT
EASILY IDENTIFIES WHO THAT
OFFICER IS.
SO WHAT AGENCIES HAVE HAD TO DO
STATEWIDE IS ASSIGN ESSENTIALLY
A SECRET CODE NUMBER TO EACH
PERSON.
AND IF YOU ASK ME, IS THERE
ANYBODY IN THE FAYETTEVILLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT KNOWS WHO
THOSE NUMBERS ARE, WHAT CODE
NUMBER IS ASSIGNED, THE ANSWER
IS YES, THEY DO BECAUSE SOMEBODY
IN I.T. OR EVER WHO THE CHIEF
HAS DESIGNATED IS RESPONSIBLE
FOR THAT FUNCTION.
BUT IT'S NOT WIDESPREAD
KNOWLEDGE.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THE
COMMAND STAFF DOESN'T REALLY
KNOW WHO THEY ARE.
BUT WHEN THEY DID THE SEARCH IN
RESPONSE TO OUR REQUEST, THEY
PULLED AND WENT TO THE WEBSITE
AND PULLED UP THOSE TOP 20 BY
CODE NUMBER.
IF THAT HELPS.
>> THAT JUST BEGS MORE
QUESTIONS.
LET'S SAY THEY ARE USING THAT AS
A MANAGEMENT TOOL.
YOU SAY THERE ARE NUMBERS THAT
ALERT YOU MA MAYBE I NEED TO ASK
MORE QUESTIONS.
BUT YOU CAN'T NOPE -- KNOW WHO
TO ASK QUESTIONS OF?
>> ONE MORE TIME.
>> WELL, THAT GOES BACK TO OUR
EARLY WARNING SYSTEM COMMENT.
WE ARE SAYING THAT WAY OF DOING
IT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE RIGHT
WAY OF DOING IT.
THE SUPERVISORS KNOW WHO --
LET'S SAY I'M A SERGEANT AND
I'VE GOT 10 OFFICERS.
I KNOW WHICH TWO OR THREE OF MY
OFFICERS ARE WRITING A LOT OF
TICKETS.
AND THE DEPARTMENT KNOWS THAT.
THAT'S WHERE WE'RE SAYING THE
FOCUS SHOULD BE.
WHAT THEY DO KNOW AND WHAT THEY
HAVE OBSERVED ABOUT THE
PERFORMANCE OF PEOPLE.
AND IF THEY WANT TO SET A BAR OF
"X" NUMBER OF TICKETS -- I DON'T
KNOW WHETHER TRAFFIC ENFORCEMENT
FOLKS ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE
REGULAR PATROL.
I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY ABOUT THE
DEPARTMENT.
BUT THEY CAN KEEL WITH -- DEAL
WITH THAT ON THE EARLY WARNING
SIDE RATHER THAN PURELY FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE WEBSITE.
>> THAT EARLY WARNING SYSTEM YOU
WERE SUGGESTING IN ONE OF YOUR
RECOMMENDATIONS, THAT SHOULD BE
EXPANDED TO INCLUDE
TRAFFIC-RELATED ISSUES.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN INCLUDED
IN THE PAST.
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> THAT WOULD BE AN ENHANCEMENT
TO THAT.
A GOOD WAY TO CATCH ANY ISSUES.
>> IT WOULD BE.
THEY PROBABLY HAVE A COMPUTER
PROGRAM WITH AN AGENCY THIS
LARGE THAT THEY PURCHASED THAT
MANAGES THAT.
IT MIGHT TAKE SOME TWEAKING.
>> THAT'S A BETTER WAY OF DOING
IT.
THANK YOU, SIR.
>> THANK YOU, MAYOR.
THANK YOU, MR. DREW AND
MR. WILSON.
I WAS GOING TO ASK A QUESTION
ABOUT THE EARLY WARNING SYSTEM
BUT THE MAYOR DID ASK THAT
QUESTION.
NOW, YOU DID SAY SOMETHING ABOUT
THE DATA ENTRY, THAT WE NEED TO
HAVE SOMEONE WITHIN THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT THAT IS ON A
FULL-TIME DATA EMPLOYEE.
THIS INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE
COMING IN WHENEVER THAT OFFICER
IS ON HIS OR HER LAPTOP.
>> WELL, NOT EXACTLY.
>> OKAY.
>> BECAUSE REMEMBER, IT WAS THAT
WAY.
BUT THEY WENT BACK TO THE PAPER
SYSTEM SO THEY COULD DO
SUPERVISOR REVIEW.
I THINK THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT
POINT AND GREAT QUESTION.
THE WAY WE ENVISION IT IS THE
OFFICER IN THE PATROL CAR MAKES
THE TRAFFIC STOP, PULLS OUT OF
HIS BRIEFCASE THE HANDWRITTEN
TSR FORM.
FILLS IT OUT.
TURNS IT INTO HIS SUPERVISOR.
IT'S REVIEWED AND THEN IT GOES
TO THE DATA CLERK.
THE DATA CLERK LOADS THAT INTO
THE INFORMATION BASE.
THAT'S ONLY PART OF THE
BREAKDOWN, SIR.
PART OF THE PROBLEM HAS BEEN
THAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING THIS
WITH PART-TIME PEOPLE.
THEY HAVE BEEN DOING IT WITH
PEOPLE WHO HAD MULTIPLE OTHER
ASSIGNMENTS.
NOT THAT THIS HAS TO BE A
TOTALLY FULL-TIME ASSIGNMENT.
BUT ONE PERSON NEEDS TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT AND
SUPERVISED VERY CAREFULLY BY A
MID-LEVEL MANAGER THAT IS TUNED
INTO THE WHOLE ISSUE, NOT SO
MUCH THE MECHANICS.
AND THAT PERSON WOULD MAKE SURE
THAT DATA IS GETTING ENTERED
RIGHT.
NOW, I DON'T MIND SAYING IT
WOULD APPEAR IF YOU READ THAT
STATUTE, THAT THE STATE IS
SUPPOSED TO ANALYZE THE DATA ON
THEIR BEHALF AND GIVE THEM
FEEDBACK.
AND AS FAR AS I KNOW, THAT HAS
NOT HAPPENED.
SO IN THEIR DEFENSE -- AND NOW
MY GUESS WOULD BE THAT PROBABLY
HAS NOT HAPPENED ANYWHERE ELSE,
PARTICULARLY WITH BUDGET
CUTBACKS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
SO I THINK THAT I -- I SAY I.
BUT WE RECOMMEND THAT SOMEBODY
HAVE THAT RESPONSIBILITY AS
THEIR JOB.
AND IT'S SUPERVISED.
AND THAT PERSON WOULD BE SENDING
THE DATA TO RALEIGH AFTER IT'S
APPROVED INTERNALLY.
>> AND ARE YOU TO SAY -- AT
LEAST THAT'S WHAT I'M
THINKING -- THAT IS PROBABLY ONE
OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARTS OF
THE DATA PORTION AND IT BEING
PUT IN CORRECTLY.
BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN GETTING A
WHOLE LOT OF STUFF.
IT'S JUST BEEN CRAZY WITH THIS
DATA.
WE HAVE BEEN GETTING A LOT.
>> I REALLY DON'T THINK ANY OF
OUR EVIDENCE INDICATES THAT AT
THE OFFICER LEVEL THERE'S ANY
MANIPULATION OF ANYTHING.
I THINK THE OFFICERS ARE DOING
THEIR THING.
I THINK WHEN IT GETS OUT OF
THEIR HANDS IS WHERE IT GETS
SKEWED AND GETS OUT OF CONTROL.
POSSIBLY BECAUSE THERE'S NOT
ENOUGH DIRECT ATTENTION TO
GETTING THAT ENTERED CORRECTLY.
>> LET ME ASK THIS OTHER
QUESTION, IF IT I COULD, PLEASE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE TSR.
AND CORRECT ME.
THE FORM WHERE THEY DID SOME
MODIFICATIONS TO INCLUDE THE
LOCATION.
>> YES, SIR.
>> OF THE STOP AND YOU SAID THAT
I GUESS YOU WERE MEANING THAT
THE SPACING AREA FOR THAT DATA
TO BE RECORDED WAS NOT ENOUGH OF
ROOM.
>> NO, SIR.
>> WHAT DID YOU MEAN?
>> LET'S DESCRIBE CURRENT
PRACTICE.
I THINK IS THE EASIEST THING.
THEY HAVE EXPANDED -- THEY HAVE
EXPANDED THEIR RULES ABOUT WHAT
HAS TO BE REPORTED OUTSIDE OF
THE TSR.
THEY GOT THE TSR WHICH DOES NOT
INCLUDE LOCATION.
AS WE HAVE BEEN SAYING OVER AND
OVER AGAIN FOR MONTHS.
THEIR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM,
THE INTERNAL RECORDS MANAGEMENT
SYSTEM NOW REQUIRES ENTRIES MADE
ABOUT THE LOCATION AND REASONS
FOR THE STOP AND REASONS FOR THE
SEARCH.
AND IN THE SIMPLEST FASHION.
>> ALSO, LET ME ADD THAT ON THE
TSR, THERE IS A DATA FIELD FOR
LOCATION.
BUT THE STATE LAW ONLY ALLOWS
THE CITY OF FAYETTEVILLE TO BE
ENTERED.
NOT A STREET ADDRESS.
>> IAND THAT JUST TRACKS WHO IT
GETS ASSIGNED TO IN THE BIG
DATABASE.
>> NOW, ANOTHER NEW PART OF THE
MODIFICATION, IF I'M
UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, THAT
IT'S TAKING PLACE SOON, IF NOT
NOW, THAT ANYONE, IF THEY HAVE
BEEN STOPPED -- ANYONE THAT HAS
A QUESTION ABOUT A PARTICULAR
STOP, I GUESS THEY WOULD NEED TO
HAVE THAT TICKET NUMBER OR
SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD GO
OVER TO OUR POLICE STATION.
AND THERE WOULD BE A RECORD
THERE OF THAT STOP AND THE TRS
INFORMATION.
SO WHAT WOULD THEY NEED IF THEY
WENT OVER THERE?
>> WELL, THAT INFORMATION WOULD
BE ENTERED INTO THEIR RECORDS
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
>> WHEN DOES THAT BEGIN?
OR HAS IT BEGAN?
>> AS SOON AS THE TICKET IS
ISSUED, THE TICKETS ARE ISSUED
AND THE FIELD CONTACT IS
PREPARED.
THEN IT'S TURNED INTO THE
SUPERVISOR AND THAT ENTRY
PROCESS TAKES PLACE AT THAT
POINT.
NOW, IT GOES INTO THE RECORDS
MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
AND THERE ARE MANY WAYS THAT IT
CAN BE QUERIED.
AND IF THEIR SYSTEM IS LIKE MOST
SYSTEMS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT --
AND I BELIEVE IT IS.
>> SAY THAT AGAIN, PLEASE.
>> IF THEIR SYSTEM IS LIKE MOST
RMS SYSTEMS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT,
AND I BELIEVE IT IS -- AND I
THINK THEY HAVE OSSI.
YOU CAN QUERY THE SYSTEM PUTTING
IN A NUMBERS OF THINGS.
YOU CAN PUT IN THE STREET
LOCATION AND THAT WILL COME UP.
PUT IN THE NAME.
THAT CAN COME UP.
>> AND THANK YOU.
BUT MY QUESTION WAS, IS THAT
TAKING PLACE NOW?
>> YES, SIR, IT IS.
>> AS OF JANUARY 1st.
>> JANUARY 1st, OKAY.
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MAYOR.
>> I'M SORRY.
DID ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER
QUESTIONS?
I'M SORRY.
MR. BATES.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE REPORT.
I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WE DO KNOW
THERE IS A -- YOU SAID A LARGE
DISPROPORTIONATE NUMBER OF
AFRICAN-AMERICAN TRAFFIC STOPS
THAN THERE ARE OTHER RACES,
CORRECT?
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> AND THEN AT THE SAME TIME
YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE POLICE
ARE NOT RACIALLY PROFILING?
>> NO, WE'RE NOT SAYING THAT.
WE ARE SIMPLY SAYING THAT OUR
STUDY AND THE DATA INDICATES
THAT THERE IS A DISPARITY NUMBER
OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS STOPPED FOR
TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS AND CONSENT
SEARCHES.
THAT IN ITSELF DOES NOT MEAN
RACIAL PROFILING.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MR. ARP.
>> I WANT TO THANK YOU GENTLEMEN
FOR YOUR REPORT TONIGHT.
I WANT TO COLLECT SOME KEY
TAKE-AWAYS THAT I GOT OUT OF
YOUR REPORT.
ONE, DATA COLLECTION IS AN
ISSUE.
WE KNOW THAT AND WE NEED TO WORK
ON THAT.
AND THEN ONCE WE HAVE COLLECTED
THE DATA, BASED ON ONE OF YOUR
24 RECOMMENDATIONS, WE NEED TO
HAVE A SYSTEMIC WAY OF ENTERING
THAT AUBURN RECOMMENDATION WAS A
FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE TO DO THAT.
>> YES.
>> AND THEN YOU IDENTIFIED
COMMUNICATION AS AN ISSUE THAT
WE NEED TO WORK ON, BASED ON THE
FINDINGS THAT YOU HAVE.
AND THOSE ARE THREE AREAS THAT I
JUST HIGHLIGHT, BUT THREE OTHER
POSITIVE AREAS THAT I SAW IN
THIS WAS THE ACCREDITATION AND
THE PURF AND THE NATIONAL
STANDARDS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
IS SEEKING TO APPLY TO THEIR --
TO THEIR ACTIONS.
THOSE ARE ALL VERY POSITIVE
THINGS THAT YOU FOUND IN YOUR
INVESTIGATION, IS THAT CORRECT?
>> WELL, IT WAS ACTUALLY FOUND
IN THE PURF STUDY AND THE CALEA
STUDY.
WE JUST VERIFIED THAT THROUGH
THEIR STUDY.
>> OKAY.
AND THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A
CONSENT FORM, THAT'S CERTAINLY A
POSITIVE PIECE THAT YOU
HIGHLIGHTED AND THEN FINALLY, I
THINK THE BIGGEST TAKE-AWAY ON
POSITIVE THINGS IS THE
INSTALLATION OF THE CAMERAS ON
THE PATROL CARS.
AND YOU THINK THAT IS A VERY
GOOD ACTION ON THE DEPARTMENT'S
BEHALF.
>> YES, ABSOLUTELY.
THERE ARE TWO BIG POSITIVE
THINGS THERE.
AND THAT IS THE IN-CAR CAMERAS
INCREASE ACCOUNTABILITY.
IT SHOWS WHAT A POLICE OFFICER
IS DOING.
IF SOMEONE ACCUSES A POLICE
OFFICER OF WHATEVER, THE CAMERA
SHOWS WHATEVER HAPPENED.
AND THERE'S AN AUDIO MIC ON THE
POLICE OFFICER SO THAT VOICE IS
CAPTURED IN THE RECORDING.
SO IF A POLICE OFFICER CANNOT
SAY THAT HE DID ONE THING WHEN
IN FACT HE DID ANOTHER BECAUSE
THERE'S ACCOUNTABILITY.
A CITIZEN CAN ACCUSE A POLICE
OFFICER OF SOME KIND OF
WRONGDOING BUT IF THAT DID NOT
OCCUR, ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S
RECORDED.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT AND SOME
WOULD SAY FIRST AND FOREMOST,
IT'S ALSO A SAFETY ISSUE FOR
POLICE OFFICERS.
>> THANK YOU.
>> MR. FOWLER.
>> YES, SIR.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT
I HEARD CORRECTLY BECAUSE, AS I
WAS LISTENING TO THE
PRESENTATION, IT APPEARS THAT
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS
ALREADY MADE SEVERAL STRONG
STEPS TOWARDS ADDRESSING THE
ISSUE.
IS THAT -- DID I HEAR THAT
CORRECTLY FROM YOU?
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
EVEN BEFORE WE GOT STARTED IN
THE STUDY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
WORKED ON SOME VERY POSITIVE
STEPS AFTER WE HAD A DIALOGUE
WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY
IMPLEMENTED MORE POSITIVE STEPS.
AND FROM ALL INDICATIONS, THEY
CONTINUED TO BE LOOKING FOR
POSITIVE STEPS AND ARE WILLING
TO CONTINUE LOOKING FOR POSITIVE
STEPS.
>> SO IT SOUNDS THEN STILL THAT
THE MAJOR ISSUE IS COMMUNICATION
THEN.
IS THAT CORRECT?
>> THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM.
COMMUNICATION IS A PROBLEM.
THERE'S A MISUNDERSTANDING
BETWEEN THE POLICE AND THE
COMMUNITY.
AND I'LL HAVE TO REITERATE THE
NUMBERS ARE WHAT THEY ARE.
AND THEY NEED TO BE DEALT WITH.
>> THANK YOU.
>> IS THAT IT, SIR?
MR. CRISP.
>> MR. MAYOR.
CHIEF WILSON, ONE OF YOUR
RECOMMENDATIONS IS FOR A SIGNED
CONSENT FORM.
HAVING LEARNED THAT'S ALREADY IN
FORCE NOW, DID YOU HAVE OCCASION
TODAY TO HAVE THAT CONSENT FORM?
>> YES, SIR, I HAVE A COPY.
>> AND YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE?
>> I DO.
I MADE THE COMMENT EARLIER THEY
TOOK TWO FORMS AND MADE THEM
INTO ONE.
AND IT'S A VERY, VERY EASY TO
USE FOR THE OFFICER.
IT PROVIDES A LOT OF
INFORMATION, THE RACE AND SEX OF
THE DRIVER, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S
VERY USEFUL UPON SUPERVISORY
REVIEW.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR.
A PART OF THAT QUALITATIVE
ANALYSIS THAT WAS THE COMMENT HE
MADE.
IT WAS NOT NECESSARILY BASED ON
THE DATA IT WAS INFORMATION ON
THE INTERVIEWS PROVIDED TO HIM
ABOUT THE STATISTICAL DATA.
>> YOU SAID IT MAY OR NAY NMAY
EXIST?
>> THAT'S CORRECT.
>> IN PARTICULAR WHAT WOULD
RELATE TO INFORMATION BEING SENT
TO RALEIGH, SHOULD SOMEONE IN
THE CHAIN OF COMMAND BE
ACCOUNTABLE TO THE SWORN LAW
ENFORCEMENT OFFICER BEFORE THAT
DATA LEAVES FPD AND GO RALEIGH?
>>> OO THAT WAS VERY MUCH A PART
OF OUR RECOMMENDATION.
WE HAVE A DATA ENTRY PERSON MIDE
EMPLOYEE IN UNIFORM.
>> I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL.
THE REPORT BASED UPON THE
REPORT.
THE ONLY THING THAT HAVE -- YOU
FEEL AS THOUGH THAT -- WITH US
BEING PULLED THAT HAD WE ARE ON
THE RIGHT PATH TOWARD TRYING TO
BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE QUESTION
WHETHER OR NOT WE DO NOT HAVE
RACIAL PROFILING.
>> NO, SIR.
>> LET ME JUST EXPLAIN THAT?
>> THE PROCESS INVOLVES A
COMPARISON OF THE POLICIES AND
PROCEDURES OF THE FAYETTEVILLE
POLICE DEPARTMENT WITH NATIONAL
STANDARDS.
WHEN THAT COMPARISON WAS DONE
THE REPORT STATES THAT THEY WERE
IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE NATIONAL
STANDARDS.
THAT DOES NOT DEAL WITH RACIAL
PROFILING.
THEY DIDN'T GET INTO THE NUTS
AND BOLTS OF IT AND GIVE AN
EXPLANATION OF IT.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND
REPORT YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US AT
THIS POINT IN TIME.
>> THANK YOU MR. MA MASS SEE?
WE WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT
DESIRE OF COUNCIL SOMEONE MAKE
THAT MOTION?
>> I SECOND.
>> ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION?
MAY ASK FOR YOUR VOTE, PLEASE?
>> MR. MACSSEY?
OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR
REPORT TONIGHT.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL
QUESTIONS AFTER WE REVIEW THE
110 PAGES.
CAN WE CONTACT YOU?
>> WE HAVE OUR CONTRACT NUMBERS