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it's now that i have everything i was a joy john nichols of the nation magazine
about uh... is piece called the wiring chief referring to brocco bummer awful
no you didn't john
failures you did alright hijacker a let me say it right up front that by
disagree with your perhaps so so we have an interesting concept so up but i want
to lay out the case why you think settle by white house made a mistake and go
after five percent
noted in a typical after five that find but what the name equipped and that
uh... president wouldn't appear ***
the mode articulate
act on his
president perhaps in modern times
look like a wimp look like a guy
who did not upto not ready-to-eat not ready to go out and do the the cupcakes
fact whether you like it or not has set itself up and
a powerful
forceful network that a lot of people watch taken seriously
obama should appear on it
on a techie should he should go out of it the way to appear
about this president way too quick turn they're keeping them back from the
people too much
he would benefit tremendously
go-around sitting down with the chris wallace or even a bill o'reilly
all right now
i think though that even in your statement it their become human mission
that they set out to to do which is to brand fox news channel as not real news
but conserve propaganda now
up you and i might think it's obvious
but the problem is the wrestler pressed does not think it's obvious they treat
them as if there are legitimate news organization so with even one fox's hey
you know what
if you're a real tough guy you'd come onto talked with uh... the opposition
well i've been falling into a strap of saying yes we are the opposition and
we're not real news exactly annette fine n
and give a good example of what i mean you know why i think again
i think obama
it's being far too
old media
and how it goes
monadel back in the eighties early nineties
alm there with a a
magazine in britain called mark to them today
very left-wing with a marxist nicotine
but date did a terrific job of covering thing
several members of margaret thatcher's cabinet
that bound for
lengthy interviews with marxism today
and indeed refactoring right wingers in the extreme
and they did it because they thought you know we're smart enough to do this got
respectful relatively respectful treatment in came out looking better for
it
ideas believed that barack obama
and i think it's prestigious christine
and i believe the french term for that
i think their lot with the at
and let me tell you why their while to get it
weekly guy who won the biggest mandate any democrats got internet lyndon
johnson in nineteen sixty four
got the best
congressional majority many democratic head in
you know part of generation
and yet out here
financially than box
now do we really think he's been boxed in by a couple of key parties in august
and glenn beck
i don't fight against breast operation
feeling him
and i think that this
declaration of war quote-unquote box
is a very classic example of the failure yes you know i disagree with you is that
uh... i mean i agree with his team is lousy i disagree with you that uh...
this new gambit is
of the wrong way to go and it's the first place and that it that about maybe
you know i'm a i'm
i'm willing to be uh... wrong on them
i'd be delighted to i want this guy
alexa dedicated mark i think he's inc
anneke boxing you know wavy below it weekly it's done let me so it's the
address to those that uses of the brought up and look at one of the ways
that the president
uh...
uses his weight if you will is by giving access or not giving access now george
bush did this all the time in his white house it was very effective and you know
you based here real reporters from e huge magazines
ob i say look you know you don't play ball you lose access to the white house
and that how you do your stories might so now or bombers using his weight and
his access to safe too
foxnews law you know
at least this is one of chip that i can place on the plate so i think that make
sense answered
helped me that it you know where rewriting history
i love you know this
this period
that we're going to feel better about ourselves if we is we're not saying
wheatley lived up to the george bush
now but political you got to see what he did like what he did wrong might not
work with others pack
what he did right and what he did wrong
what he did right without the camera level happen on his time
and then use that now you will of the big city has been at the front st
cabbage them
as being
morally
and politically yours
constable just horrible players
and they work
and and i've done
but there's a hardball here being played john the other side is not going to play
by your rules and what they do is they swept or a month every
issue have eight corbin jones panels less goes on told strike
act and if they don't fight back against five and they don't believe this war
they're going to did john carried on every issue they will have to point out
these are the bad guys it's finally you stretch witty but by that
just when you get that you don't look at these ridiculous doesn't mean the
in was sort of this agreement for me is that
is not going on five th or not dot fights i don't think the best a big part
of a ship the the real issues do you fight or don't reply
and so now they've been gays in that fight now even question the tactics
a_b_c_ he should go on fox after
the period of time asean come on and do it with a plan to go this route you on
that
uh... but as far as should he take them on now the rest of the press is saying
although now i have to do this the poor fox and this is bad 'cause you're gonna
have to the press they are not the plaster
well
but defeated this is where you and i
may have a fundamental disagreement
and for what it's worth and i don't claim any
any great expertise uh... that ab
i've written a number of books in the history of media
in my view is that the media in the united states is always
card
it i think it's a unity
the jet
that
that you know they're there's ever been from for a perfect media that that got
it exactly right walked down the middle
and richard nixon
bought the new york times the washington post were
radical left-wing publications that route to get up
and you know bill clinton
if it
for a pack of the other day eighty two
victorian written them
a quite a bit stuff about lyndon johnson robert caro and
you tell the story about wind that bill clinton
and bill clinton said
wouldn't you agree i've been treated worse by the media that any president in
history
and unequivocal docked with immediate treatment but the new york times of the
people were terrible
you know president for you and they weren't beat up by the media
and it may be true
but admit as eight
more be democrat i'm in favor of that
constant presence all might be beaten up so he had no idea reserve and i said
i've got your fellow bomber
i think i don't think that this appointment he died but i think your
pointer don't we are a lot of different read here
but i think obama
is masterful
and
act like jeff
don't think he benefit
by keeping that mastery
arm
solely for people that that treated respectfully we're going to john nichols
and he said you were please call the wider and see them by the way in that
article john also thoughts about how
you know the overall white house saying that
the blogger select fringe you guys sydney there are pajamas is that
terrible idea and invite the reason i'm not addressing is because i want under
percent agree with you so that that's an izzy part of this year periodically
perfect but here you go yeah you're so smart
right exactly so now let is sooooo
i don't want to get me wrong fractured boxes exist of course if there is a free
country an irish a ministry of the press and how partisan it's been in the past
name a good points about how they treat jefferson adams of the list goes on and
on and was much worse back in the day but here's what i think we should uh...
we should break it down into categories their opinion shows like this show
like over men like over i'll e hannity et cetera maybe should be labeled
opinion ships then there is partisan press which is
news and the nation if yes ya aggression right and then there's a third category
setting a straight news that c_n_n_ i think boxes that left and right but at
least they give it a shot
and i think that their strengths so my proposals one we aren't you have a
understanding of this which apparently the press doesn't have an understanding
of it
and their grab in in the dark for what they think they are and who and they
don't seem to have these this this understanding amid secondly here's the
deal that i would strike
if i'm a bomb i think you know what time probably have to go on fox
the minute they agree that they are part of the press and there's nothing wrong
with partisan preston but as soon as they say yes even our news
id has a conservative perspective
and i said okay then i'll come and talk to you about your perspective
you know what
i like that
backed out of not a bad get because of course
if he were to come interrupted the nation
it would be targeting college map right you've come to talk
to publication without with the left perspective
rental if you can go talk to national review which frankly i think you ship
uh...
the you'd be you know obviously going for the politicians knowledge of the
right wing right perspective
and i think we can take that into television i think we can play
fairly at this point without much question
bachmann at the conservative perspective
msnbc certainly in the evening
uh... have liberal perspective
and these are not at and i actually think that healthy that
the point at which
we start to get beyond
allowed to gain friendship
of media
and what i think it look in your *** is a liberal newspaper
it is and that fine
that's a good and you know what else
the orange county register the conservative newspaper maybe a
libertarian newspaper
the truth is we can identify most media for what it is
uh... i was just a small note on that nice i think the the new york times
might appear to be a liberal and the wall street journal might appear to be
conservative
but i would not pull put either one of them the partisan prosthetic i didn't
get on the news that and i think it could be side of the wall street journal
is
i think i think if necessary reading
and i think that cover bitter conflict
i think the news side of the new york times by and large trays very very hard
to be straight groupie and and
similarly with the fellowship radford folk like that
interestingly enough the recommitment bach
encourage federal riley
so much of their time tel aviv notices
attacking a toshiba pratt
vacate sociopaths which really does try harder
to run it down the middle than any other media
that didn't get because
of course would go back to reagan
reagan
with the guy who started the notion of really attacking the press
in general
people believe the trek prepped with credible
then when the press call them out of the lighter
he'd be in trouble
yes ankle-deep there's people in
the and i think you're
i think your perspective though it's not a bad one notion of okay
i bought box if you know it's that your conservative network
why i think
if that's what done that the press operative from the white house effect
that will go up oportunidade knowledge that there be great
alright saying that they're arm of the republican party and that's why we don't
go on them
that game
it may in fact be true
buddy is a i think it's a loser at the end of the day right not to look strong
uh... i will be so we think we disagree on exactly that starting that fight is
starting to conversations
yet very very important so i i think it's the lower price strategy not
perfectly executed and the only thing i would add joy this conversation is
eyes
he should have a second rule which is
all go on fox news channel right after i go on a young turks
well you know what but that you bring up a
super important point maybe and or run down time here but
section important point
because i think obama has neglected
the progressive media
severely
yeah well reagan would not have done that
ronald reagan went
at dinners for national review human events
and he made himself regularly available to the media that brought you danced
with them that problem
and obama should dance with them that brought them
and as a mentor either obviously our self-interest there but but that's what
we are all but it but that's why i drove me crazy when he hears work on it in any
of you
thereby legitimizing him and giving a conservative guy in any of you
and then also nor the sub coming out about house margolis was moderate when i
don't think he's moderate amount not heed writetr it so i have a so why are
you going and rewarding those guys
when you should be all over the racial metal program et cetera et cetera though
that and i think that apparently and they like that one
uh... because it did
didn't of media history inova of
reagan had a great it was brilliant and how he did media
and he did appear
and i did talk with media that that disagreed with him a note up on him a
card
dainty percent of his appearances
and so much of his energy whittington
theme
the media that had brought him up politically
all right about the should be doing the same
john nichols from the nation i think so much for joining releasing coaches
always a pleasure being with your brother to be as much as i can thank you
john thanks very much on
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