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And so on the fourth, the third or the fourth, I don't remember which, of April, we arrived at Nowo-Swienciany Station.
The whole transfer was carried out by – all Jews themselves, not Lithuanian police, not Germans, everything was done quietly, nicely, we arrived at the train station.
There was a train with, I think, 40 cars,
some of the cars, the front ones, were going to Vilna,
behind them to the camp Bezdany and the rest to Kovno.
I think that there were about thirty to Kovno.
It was a nice spring day, the sun was shining, everything was orderly, people arriving,
boarding the cars, cattle cars obviously
And – and the first car was the car with the Jewish Police who were accompanying the... who organized and accompanied it.
At a certain point, the policeman said to us, This is to Vilna,
get into one of these cars and when we get to the station in Vilna, I will take you, the two of you separately,
because you have weapons," he knew that we had weapons, "I will get you into the ghetto without being searched."
So we were wandering around and the Jews were in the cars,
suddenly a few railway workers arrived. Locals; Poles and Lithuanians
and they informed the Jewish Police that the Germans had given an order to close the cars from outside, that the Jews were already inside
and they would put a "blumba" on all the trains
"Plumba" seal them hermetically.
I don't know why I said that I didn't want to travel in a sealed car like that,
and the one in charge of the transport was a Jewish police officer, who was also a member of the underground in Vilna
it was Major Frucht,
he came to us and said, "You know what, get into our car, the police one. The first car."
We got in, we were tired, the previous night we lay...
The train needed to leave in the evening and to arrive in Vilna at dawn, on the way we had to stop at a number of stations.
It was about eighty or ninety kilometers.
And so the train left, in the evening, earlier, before when I had been wandering around, and everyone was closed in the cars,
They asked me to pass them water, Through the small windows,
We gave them, that's how it was, I didn't have any sort of a bad feeling.
The train that arrived from Swienciany, …
With the way it arrived, after a few minutes in the train station, it was surrounded by,
they were surrounded by German and Lithuanian police,
Gens and the police were arrested and taken to the Gestapo
and the whole train,
a few of the people from Vilna managed to break free,
but the rest were taken straight to Ponary, the *** site of the Jews of Vilna,
there were 12 cars from Vilna
and they opened the cars, one by one, and took them out, and shot them.