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Joe: Hey, it's Joe again. We've been talking a lot about how to analyze deals. We've been
talking about specific deals and specific questions that I've gotten from you guys.
And what I thought might make a little more sense than going into more deals that are
sent to me specifically from you guys (because I've gotten so many of them and I appreciate
you sending them) is to let me go through a series of videos that show you what does
make sense. Rather than saying, 'Does this make sense?' let's show what does make sense;
what is possible. Joe: And then, you can extrapolate from there
- does my deal fit into what makes sense? And why do these make sense? These next few
videos that I'm going to show you are going to be the different types of deals that you
can make money with. And remember, it always goes back to those two things that I tell
you about all the time: there's only two types of deals that are going to make you money.
One is properties that you can dramatically under market value for cash. The other is
properties that you can buy at market value or below that you can buy on terms. With either
one of those ways, you can almost always make money as an investor. And you can do it different
ways. Joe: Let's start though, with cash deals.
Properties that you can buy dramatically under market value - dramatically under market value
is one of those variable sort of numbers. 5 years ago, 20% under market value was considered
dramatically under market value, especially in some markets that were shooting up 40%
or 50% a year in value. If you could buy something 20% under market value currently and knew
that it was going to up another 50% the following year because the market was going so crazy,
that could be a pretty interesting deal. Joe: By the way, that's how I started in real
estate investing - I bought a property at market value. It was being built. It took
4 months to build it and by the time it was built it had gone up 20% in value. And I'm
thinking, 'Wow, this is cool.' And this was in 1986 when the market was going crazy. Don't
do that, by the way - don't buy properties based on appreciation. That was a stupid thing
to do. I was just lucky - I got in at the right time at the right place and I didn't
lose money; I started making money immediately. Joe: A lot of you, your first experience in
real estate investing is where you lose money, and that's a shame - because it usually knocks
you out of the game and it keeps you from doing it again. I was lucky. I got a taste
of it and I started thinking, 'Well, what if I actually bought a property UNDER market
value?' What a light bulb that was! So I started buying properties from HUD and from VA foreclosures,
and I'd fix them up and then we'd turn around and sell them, plus they had the appreciation
that was going on in the market nationally at that time. And I was able to buy properties
at 15-20% under market value and that would be considered dramatically under market value
at that time. Joe: Right now in this market environment,
20% under market value is not dramatic. You're seeing properties all the time at 30-50% under
market value. And I'm talking about real market value, not somebody's perceived idea of what
the real value is. Because a lot of people will tell you, 'Oh, that property is worth
$500,000 when it's worth $250,000 because that's what it was worth 3 or 4 years ago,
so don't necessarily believe the values that you're told. And even if you do comps, don't
necessarily believe that those values are accurate, either. I honestly don't know the
value of some of my properties simply because the area is so variable - there are so many
different comps in the same area that are for identical properties so how do you really
extrapolate from that? What you do is hold onto those properties and let the market stabilize
itself which will happen over the next 3-5 years. So always have exit strategies that
give you multiple options, especially if you're buying for cash.
Joe: When I say cash, I'm talking about either cash or going out and getting a new loan.
Cash and credit - they're both commodities that you have personally that you expend,
and once you use them up, they're gone. So you want to make sure that you do it properly
if you're going to buy it this way. So if you have cash that you're going to invest
or you have a certain amount of loans that you're going to go out and get, then you want
to make sure that you have a good exit strategy so that you can do it again.
Joe: With me, if I'm buying properties out of my retirement account, I want to buy properties
that I can keep for the long term but I also want to have a secondary exit strategy in
mind where I can go and sell them to investors and then I can take a chunk profit off of
selling that property. If I can't get it sold, I'm still going to keep that property for
the long term and hold it. I have the belief that I don't sell any property to investors
that I wouldn't personally buy myself. The way I'm doing it right now is I'm buying the
properties, doing a little bit of rehab to them, raising the price, selling to an investor,
and still getting that investor 15-18% return on their investment - if you want to buy one
of those properties, let me know and I'll sell you one.
Joe: But, you can do it yourself and you can probably make 25% return on the same type
of properties - you just have to have the right infrastructure in place to be able to
find the right property. They're not always easy to find, for as much as you might think
that they're everywhere out there. The properties that we're buying or that I'm buying personally,
with a lot of them, are bought through the MLS, they're real estate owned; they're foreclosure
properties. We buy them the day they come on the market. We usually make a full priced
offer the day they come on the market. And they're usually getting 5 or 6 offers that
same day. Joe: We've narrowed it down to certain areas
that we're buying into where we know that it's going to be easy to rent and where we
know it's going to be easy to fix up, so we're very specific about the criteria that we use,
and I've got somebody who's very good at helping me find those properties. She goes to and
looks at them and then when she finds them, I go out and I confirm, 'Let's go ahead and
make this offer on them.' We make the offer and we get them closed. She goes in and has
them repaired, manages the property, and fills them up. She makes money that way, I make
money on the long term investment property or I turn around and sell them to investors
and then just tack on 10 grand to the deal, so that they still have a good return on their
investment, but I made it worth my while as well.
Joe: So if you want to buy those kind of properties, I'd be happy to sell them to you. If you want
to find them yourself, and if you're in my mentor program, I'll be happy to talk to you
about different places that you can do that, depending on where you're located that might
be geographically desirable to do those kinds of properties with. Because if you're paying
cash for property, the beauty of doing it the way I'm doing it is that they're very
cheap, they're very easy to get into, and they're very easy to sell to other investors.
Joe: There's a lot of investors out there how have $25,000-$50,000 to invest, but there's
a lot fewer investors out there that have $100,000 to invest or $200,000 to invest,
and they're still out there and I'm still finding them. I'm selling multiple properties
to these people. But if they have to keep those properties, then their return on their
investment is going to be much lower because with a $100,000 property, it's probably going
to make $900 a month income. If you buy one of my $45,000 properties, that makes 900$
a month income, then you're going to be a lot better off - you're going to have twice
as much income for the amount of money that you're investing.
Joe: So it makes a lot more sense to buy the cheaper property, especially if they're in
stable areas and they're being managed by a professional and they're in good condition
and have a good screening process for your tenants. So that means having a good infrastructure
of established people that are working a specific area that know those properties. The other
way you can do it is that, for example, is that we sell properties that we've already
sold on land contract to an end user, and you buy the underlying deed for the property
and you can make 15-18% on those regularly, too. You don't have to have a manager. We
have a loan servicing company where they send their payments to and essentially what you're
doing is buying the note. Joe: It's a little more complex than that.
If you go to my website, stoppayingrentamerica.com, you can see some of the ones that we're selling,
or you can get in touch with me personally. I'll be happy to talk to you about buying
investment properties and what makes the most sense. Only call me if you've got cash to
invest. Don't call if you want to get a loan. Loans are so difficult to get now. I don't
even like to deal with them these days. But if you've got cash to invest (at least $40,000
to invest) I'd be happy to sit down and take some time to talk to you about what type of
investment might make the most sense to you and what we've got that we can sell, either
myself or one of the folks that I work with. Joe: So with all of that said, once you find
a property that you can buy for cash, you have two different strategies here - you can
either sell it for cash, but if that doesn't happen you've always got your other exit strategy
of keeping that property for the income. And the only way that that's going to make sense
is if the income that comes in is better than you can get through a mutual fund or through
money market or through other investment utilities that you've got. I hope that helps.