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level russians site for systems and i think there was no application and all
to vietnam
my view was it was a dumb place for us to be we are going out of there
the head
of the institute for the fence analysis was maxwell taylor a man you may have
sacramento general max
and he he
published an article was cover story in the new york times magazine sunday
magazine
saying how wonderful it would do in vietnam with the state of course white
wool will defeat
the enemy
and i wrote a letter to the times which they prob published
uh... sang on everyone
who works with general taylor
subscribe to his view and i went on and have my own
so that sort of set there like a lot nobody said anything for six months
and then
i was a really wise guy in those days in a reporter or a dialogue reported to be
a report he was a stringer and track for newsday newsweek
magazines and he's doing a story on
people work for the defense department or opposed to the war can i interview
you what are you doing about this as i said well
with as a policy and idea you can spend fifty percent of your time on your own
mathematics and thirty percent of the time tracking codes whatever they do
their own money make sure i said that
and my algorithm lately has been
i'm spending all of my time in mathematics and when the war is over all
spend an equal amount of time on their work so but i'll have uh... nationality
so uh...
didn't said that they have not
went back to the office of the country maybe i'd better tell my boss anything
that i gave this interview simpson physically brilliant only intelligent
island had all day even though there came a little late
so i said you know i gave this interview is if you have better
tell tell me what he calls taylor taylor said fire when i was fired
so i was there
who haven't had happened and yeah what seemed to be a microseconds and the
fighting is
but three days later
lyndon johnson announced he was not going to run for a second time
he was going to stop the bombing and i figured the war was over vincent so i
went back to my local basa very nice dollars and you know i would just forget
about all this i mean as well and there was no reason i don't think so
so world
annuity on them
i was a very worried about finding a job because bruno which
who obviously competent as a research mathematicians or something would come
up
but please don't interrupt was very clearly to be a chairman i thought that
would be a lot of fun to watch
it was a it was a really in retrospect although it was a good thing uh... but
it was a very good for him frank i met my wife uh... i did all kinds of things
was about that war that you didn't like
marches and any war just that
no it's not only war i think i would have been in favor of
finalists are once on the
that usually the example that everyone agrees is identified war
abn
it's there i didn't think that there was uh... such a big threat from the
communist over there i thought we were moving laugh a lot of people
while we were taking our eyes off the ball
that uh...
in america just seemed like a like a waste
and uh...
very destructive
and you could feel
the fabric of society tearing apart is that uh... kids were marching and
bodies were coming home
and we're getting anywhere
noticing stupid to me
dot some years sixty eight was
they will have to really uh... for the u_s_ announced it in came
half-time cookbook went up with him
when they came to me and said that
and let's organize and to war for them
and so we did tonight to talk about that last night
and also on a crop up about that
we released a lot of money
i forgot how much
to contribute to the anti-war effort
and in fact at that time
we have raised more money on this campus
now any other campus in the united states
all this and your friends
the price
was such freelook
or campuses
which allows the companies like a broken engagement
din of racist much money and so the we did hear van
claudia build
then i think that i was there was something of that frank's agreeing to
call him back
made a huge difference because first of all he had such respect university and
second of all
i think he was taking some risk because uh... you know he using chinese
by
and maybe had relatively i don't know but uh... at a later date intelligence
tool
because the u_s_ has always been
some people in the u_s_ government
december that uh... always suspicious of p
because some of my field is set
physics deeply related to nuclear physics
uh... headboard of tele
was my thesis advisor
florida and i
and i was close to overcome
a flannel unusual
the c_i_a_ customize fires at this particular
and they in nineteen seventy one
this to china
for the first time
the reason that i am for today
communist china alex correctly there was no television depicted china and the
u_s_ for a walk in first
to or something
first inquiry are being in viet nam
and seventy one i was able to visit
because searle
with the team
kimhong diplomacy
i can felt that the
meats and animal
wanted to talk to each other because for the van
were afraid of
the soviet union
and the so i decide to visit
and uh... i thought i've decided that uh...
i decided this article defy it
not failed white house
so i wrote that the uh... signs of myself
anticipated and everything
you know him
here and i don't know
gloomy here beside me
in tumhari fee
two years ago
i don't think
and uh... it to my surprise he absurd saying that the
we are delighted that you are going to visit the china
but we cannot help through the day to be sick now i didn't need to help i adore
the rhythm to my father
and uh... i my father
fight to the chinese government and enlisted fine had has to send to pip the
vcd
the chinese bc
in there
chinese embassy in paris
there was no led to a chinese and dozens in western countries
in auto and then harris so i got big plans and and
not by came back
you needed this
a the c_i_a_
this is the several times
i towed and
i think u_s_ taxes on the u_s_s_ citizen
it tonight so that the women think that's a unlawful
a but i was very careful
there a story
look what happened is the following
the c_i_a_ amend him
ballarat vic walters
a new uses federal
on with this to me in my house clicks his own family wants that
i didn't know what i said that
why don't we just go to my office
now will not be he wanted to be in my uh... house
so there won't be insisted that more any
n
declined etc
so finally he came to my office
and a half if you're in a cell phone conversation
too often came
and they as soon as they sat down there you my officer
on a table
they may be they opened their financial cult thurston documents
i become allergic because i wanted noel
but this is the way they trap people
id gifts to you
that kind of interesting event that you have seen some
secret documents so as it
ho ho ho ho
i called my secretary for coming process that they have
and this major issues signed an affidavit
said that she was there
when screw-ups
the conversation i had with the c_i_a_ met because i told the c_i_a_ man my
parents are in china
and i still want to visit them i do not want to be entangled with any
secret stuff
in the united states which may prevent
going to china again
and i thought was a very clever more
and the next day i called asap we had a conference where there is enough
airship banks have given them a little bundles there was a man named anna
forgot who was in charge
of the stumble curled grant so i called him
and uh... he said great right
invested
then have to come out to sea korbi
and he said
you did a very intelligent simply telling me about this
because in washington there are many branches
and that they are not reform each other
and advance of denial
that that they don't see i admire had the listed me
there maybe some of confusion which there are
proponents of
sort of uh... you know that they're like
by my own opinion venison immediately about those
they were in a stronger positions
well you know i understand that the death of the c_i_a_ has heard its job
china also has uh... agents here i'd just like that
the u_s_
hesitant speedster the word is very complicated
what one has to
careful bottom
incompetent and could not keep the get suckered into
things like that
very interesting yeah i remember i had a very famous watergate story like that
but one of the watergate guys with
to judge to record in his chambers and uh...
said i've got this
document i want to give you judge front
and called in a court reporter us to talk with her
to record everything that took place within passing about document
profesionales
very good
anyway it was a great success rate in their money and i think frank was quite
courageous to taken on
the publicly visible
poached co-editors
were counselor club
i did get a good natural raises the next question uh... which is how you feel
either of you if you feel strongly role but what's going on now so-called war on
terror zapped
disturbed as much as vietnam did uh... doctor simon
i think the record was terrible mistake
you know when i bring back the many dead people from
uh... stroll in that sense
independent hasn't caused
the the
fewer or
dislocations that vietnam did on the other hand i think it's uh...
it's definitely along the worst peach is a public policy and i i never saw we
were sucked into a equipment misled by the administration
if there really were a bunch of atomic bombs over there okay
made with the war
and they knew their work
so i feel misled
and uh... now
we have to figure out a way to
cornerstone
and get the heck out of it
butterick isn't terrible
weekend i think we can just say goodbye suddenly with with
created such a mess we have to
clean up somehow
about business and that's what i think frankly we have a different u
i think it's clear that uh... with the coming lengthen
new president
frightful extracted tenuous
from the medicine
whatever the origin of reason
whatever the origin ah... strategy
it's clear that that what has happened created
tension in the united states
and we continue u_s_ internationally
so something has to be done
of course how to do it is a complicated it sounded like the vietnam war
uh...
how-to
solve this problem and with the right thing for the teeth
responsibilities
often express it
you spent a lot of time in china now
how's the relationship between china and the u_s_ developing european
i think that's going very well
uh... i think in the first place
just down the high moved back to china or
actually i think went back to china
back and forth the repeatedly at berkeley in nineteen
into zero zero three
pastor of my first wife died
more five completed
so now i spend
hog most ten months old
eleven months later
in
china and cha hi
and the hong kong
and the owner of this that u_s_ location
and declared cedar within the last five years
there has been uh... you know must change
indeed trying to specifically in the ward
and b
the relationship between
the chinese government and the
washington
and all of the same mile ten there are
for the good for international relations
the most obvious thing it's about not the atmosphere in north korea
you know the sir
six i did
was initiated by which any side
and uh... it's clear
it depends
not yet been successful but it is already accomplished a lot
and price inc
it's a andrew by the police
hectic everybody include in the north koreans
that that this is that
two-way fickle
despite all of those
uh... difficulties
it's making steady although slow or progress
having there without this
it could be very destructive code
that way
disastrous war
so i know i i'm sure a m
president bush's very offensive
appreciate him thus
there of course a lot of frictions
country *** lol just tryna
which is
instrumental
points at the heart of poverty
as sera
means with tremendous problems
i have not said publicly
the perfect reiner's trying to do
is to compress in fourteen years
the progress made
by the west in four hundred yes
constantly or do it
with such aid
greatly spong to create problems
by the way i should say here
and i thought was going on us
i asked him to love this the the internet
and nineteen
into zero zero one
and demand marilyn came
and uh... afterwards install him in supported
and uh... i was very impressed with short conversation
had with him
as of tomorrow
how silly impression of uh... china
first visit
and he is sort of uh... pause for a few seconds
i realize that the he had been
this has been on his mind and he said
anythink
the problem facing the water
most important problem face in the world today
is poverty
have been here
in my visit i found the one point three billion people
putting then self-serve up
out of poverty right
by their own bootstraps
and that that's a contribution
not only to the day themselves
but also to the lord
i think it's very clear that that reflects
thinking all phase
fault for present
upon reaching the stating his son live
quite he can try to do something good for mankind not just for himself
hormone
woodcraft servicing company
so i was deeply impressed by the approved it
doctor sarraj you've been involved in a number of uh... phillips philanthropic
good
efforts though including health care and met paul including portals of all the
help you've given him a stony brook and brookhaven
national web
tell us a little bit about
philanthropy and how you go about making the decisions that you do
well the biggest single focus we have right now we have a number of folks i
have a good
personal our foundation and i thought it'd be is primarily based scientific
research letters
supporting
mathematics and science
basic research that she would put them we spent the percent of our punch
uh... on there
uh... one
thing you didn't mention miseries are chisholm
all it is another and they should have that we have and that's probably the
biggest single
project we have in their work
quite quite focused on we put up a team
under their leadership
jerry fish proc
who was a woman there's twist and
to run that
and we're trying to make some progress with that
without condition
which really goes to the heart of
many respects of how the brain works by understanding
uh...
that condition
there's going to end up
giving us a lot of understanding of the hall