Back Pain Pre - Conference broadcasts with david kent - Canadian massage conference

sts miles and welcome canadian on skype rent pretty contract back at work on the five spare p radio i'm teresa brown and i'll be your hugs for the interviewed and peering wanted several broadcast with a presenter as an expert for appearing at the canadian laparoscopic and brought to you by the one contact group november fourth terrific seek out than eleven in burlington ontario i'd like to take this opportunity to thank the pick-up in eleven canadian the posh conference sponsors vitality depot lack now mcclellan insurance the fast there because i had a magazine by account dodge warehouse the registered ashbee ricketts of vacation of ontario and handed down for making the tears event possible our special guest today david can't dave and i will be talking about history in our class at the canadian press conference back pain breaking that cycle but before we get charted let me tell you a little about david david can't if the president and founder of kent help with them that egypt full-body defection seminars camouflaged therapist an acupuncture physicians at the university of south florida college of medicine he often teacher because she medical mustache and practice building seminar and have developed a lot of product including the postural analysis project trigger point chart personalize potential off the form muscle movement chart and a theory that dvd program david had the monthly column in the past today called keeping it simple that provide treatment and practice filling tent hit off a regular contributor from proj magazine and other leading trade journal on-topic from defection postural analysis and trigger point david welcome to the canadian the press conference pre conference broadcast period it's great to talk with you again today and to hear more about your class back pain breaking michael may think you pull it down with stated to be here and be part of the canadian massage conference in those pre conference broadcast series i hope all our listeners out there are going to be able to attend the conference uh... if not please stop by my website david kent dot com and dom establishing what you're going to be investing if you don't come and i hope that that we still valid some of my article to learn more about what we're going to talk about in this interview today well i'm sure that people will game that will be sure to share that contact information with everybody at the and that the interview and before we get into the topic david i'd like to ask you what are you most looking forward to at the canadian house conference well the biggest thing i'm looking forward to it just hanging out and and just getting to me reconnect with other therapists out there you know it's real it's really we thought thing to do it get somewhere where your with your peers everyone go on the same wavelength and uh... you know we're all trying to do goodman because it's a nice place to recharge so i'd say if you're asking me what i'm most looking forward to that i'm with the accepted only have a great place to have died while learning a lot and and meeting new and old friends alike i know there are lots of reasons that i have forced the captain of comfort people but why would you recommend a registered nurse touch their first attend the canadian such conference married ended it's about information it's about contacts you know i i'd meet so many people and learn so much for my peers uh... it's a well-rounded group of pre doctors that are being there you're able to connect instead unique and dynamic settings you know if you've never been to this conference or no anything about it uh... you know it's just rock-solid you know everyone who's there who's organizing it at the phenomenal he neither therapists who organized that they understand what they're pissed need they bring in of the best well-rounded group of variety of prisoners that they are able to do and uh... and uh... the exhibit hall is nafta that you haven't been to the exhibit hall at that some eighteen get the talk directly with the manufacturers and suppliers sample products i know on giving away as for the trigger point charts with the raffles than than uh... also there's lots of fun club fifty four we always do that one time during the conference in the day set it up great were you settle everybody up and back to you couldn't make it easier so i hope everyone can attend 'cause it's going to be fun and it's going to be an informative conference definitely right on back marks a crafted by twenty last year or just simply phenomenal including ours have waived a compact i've kept my head on yours with the absolutely packed you're very popular presenter and this year will be no exception you're teaching two classes at this year's contract out one on headache and one on back pain today we're talking about your class on back pain breaking that cycle carried what your background or personal experiences with back pain well you know separately other class ad execs upward with headed for a long time before i got in the massage when i first got in wisconsin that helped me a lot back pain ill that does the first too common things that most to common things that trade in my clinic is neck pain and and headaches the third most common thing that i treated his back pain and most but that was reading like clients for back pain in the i actually you know i get them back pain on the top but i mean i finally really had their back pay more like had to cancel treatments you know none there i am you know it would sit by always find it fascinating when i'm in pain i kinda say attendant go ahead a little bit because it just helps me connect with what my patients are going through you know so um... well the great for me was the finally myself have to apply i already have it all down pat i want to tell people about headaches acting with a whole new warning for for me that i had to go through and now implement what i was always telling my patients to do when they were the crisis since he doesn't does it really work as well you know so um... i think that when you have these experiences that helps you connect better with your patient that helps you relate and then communicate better with them in the future and uh... had helped you seek treatment and learn more about your body well i think what you're writing you know what i think it's made me a good erica factory is that i've had a lot of pain in my life to him and i've had to find what works for me and what didn't work for me and and really keeping from the client for patient side instead of voted for the technique i learned in class not that i did conducting people to go out and try to find a way to have back pain but you know i mean at carolina wichita anyone by i think when you can bring your own experiences into the treatment round not only does that help you understand them better batik inouye gives you better credibility because your patients no that you have been there they understand that you get that you've had that same problematic act don't feel obit shy about telling people that experience the painting or something similar who needed them because i think that make them p_m_ confide in me more truck to be more or feel like i might know what i'm talking about more than they were the fact that only i took a class on the didn't exactly and david do you treat a lot of back pain at your clinic i like that yeah i actually daily three to think that uh... or do you think that the other malachite said the third most common thing that i three is back pain you know for us here in the united states at least were out you know were i practice eighty percent of americans are gonna suffer back pain at some point in their life that you know uh... that we definitely have a very significant over weight problem going on here in the states and then uh... and that mainly hits people here in our country between the ages of thirty and sixty years of age switches you know uh... in these tough times especially a lot of people don't have insurance so they're paying cash so it even that much more important that um... uh... communicating to them alma side can help them then at the therapist you can understand boy if they're carrying in next yr you know twenty thirty forty fifty sixty pounds you know that that that kind of working against us and treatment uh... but how can we get the client understand you know what we're doing and what the long-term goals are forgetting the amount of pain so uh... yeah i feel like that in many different ways they do have some good experience with working with back pain and i really enjoyed i'm actually going to be showing you some slides of like uh... that's one woman thirty you know twisted up in this see what the house the how we were able to uh... i'd get her lined in in six citizens six treatments is pretty amazing um... doesn't happen with everyone but sometimes uh... and how we do how we look at the by the house we communicate our findings to our patience uh... and then of course if the patient's mindset and follow through you know it's not all locked up for cure their bodies do in the healing but a lot about is how how we educate uh... motivate i would say we win some patients come in motivated summer only coming into their motivated to get out of pain but if you can also help motivate them to care for themselves better now we've got a whole different type of uh... of massage therapy fanned out there running the streets sunday the discretion and uh... coming from me directly i'm curious how u do you when you just mentioned the weight gene you talk to their your patients about weight being an issue in their back pain or how do you protect subject you know the ground well when someone coming in for it with me for my and again it depends on whether the buyer mature working in how you're going to both of you know with me one of the things that are part of their intake form if they do in this bill that we're going to be says that looking at posture you know they they had signed a release for me to take digital limits imagery just like they do if they go to the doctor at the dentist they signed a release that they can take x_-rays forevermore arise or whatever other test the doctor deems you know necessary does that make sense yes so so that's why i've gone ahead and i'd ask permission that we can take postural assessment that you know it so that the you know to help determine our treatment plan so when we did look at the photos and always before i kill the people the photos i felt was one of everyone thought there was perfect they wouldn't be here that i wouldn't even have any pain and made them in and i moved through but basically i'm killing them were their bones are often their body 'cause we're looking at bony landmarks like they are the chrome are their shoulders local there were a chrome equal big killer towards we might be looking at some point in there helpless were looking to see if they have a forward head posture an actor to tell us where they're back is killing her the position of their pelvis and sela co in those acts rates and of course are not x_-rayed in their mind if the next three when i'm showing them a picture of my digital uh... i might buy loner use your smart phone or you can use your eye had or you can use your computer hooked up your mom computer monitor up to a camera however you decide to do it i keep it simple against it with my eye overnight men i throw them a skeletal character right on my posture character were the alignment of the body should be and were they are and then i'll show them utilizing a modular terror can trigger point charts which muscles are under stress and i say to them now here in the text twenty-two here's the kicker we need you to uh... i said uh... so part of this these alignment the accuser you're in pain so now you can exercise a venue gain weight you know and they're like yeah yeah you know if it instantly they're going to bring with you on that yeah i'm in too much pain i can do so i told we're gonna have to let you know we you know we got a were what your pack will it however you can you know and you can give suggested that you know say you know i'm not train you know i'll give you whatever recommendation at the last few and treatment what do you suggest them if they're talking to them about water scrapbook i needed to do that it's really it's that simple basic things that if they can just do some of that like they know people drink a lot of their calories by what their consuming if they just started drinking more water they know in studies people drop like ten-pound pretty quickly and and a little just by changing how much calories are drinking for example so i've tried it talk to them about doing simple exercises like maybe walking if they can but we can show them maybe ranges the motion that they can start to do so if you're a natural question was how do i address wait wait comes up multiple different ways certificate lee mentioning it anyway at some point and i let him know i'd say well look at and uh... you know you know it's part of the game play and that's what's important long-term and we we start with the muscles right here that some they're going to work on outside the treatment so we have to make it sound like we're all on board you know we don't height we don't aboard the white elephant we just mentioned it wants then move on degrading and karen that help if i know i i personally have that in my packet for people say well you know that we are back dot i mean i think someway i think to myself do i agree with them in that yes you have a large part without allied how do i break that subject i think that there really spot on suggestions and a very non-threatening way to uh... q approaches and kate to give them ideas about how they can start the process and their while you're helping them get out of pain those enid part of that weight gain it kind of related to treating the congressperson sys tem but i'm sure they're there are other cut that out there a better creating the back pain how do you approached reading the content of the sometime see it's all about education and that is all about killing them all the difference you we show them the the symptoms of symptom is back pain and then we show them all the closets we show them posture and we let them know posture is cause those boats are only it where they are in space based on where the muscles are weak at the same muscles on the right side that we have on the left so a four-fold the one-sided some things to be near to use it to you on you know from st come up so that we don't have a balanced in the from one month of course there could be some structural things going on with bones i mean that could be a stuff been ruled out you know for the most part we're looking at where what the muscles are doing with the with the body and then of course those muscles what are those muscles dealing with you're dealing with uh... gravity they're dealing with the different weights of the body and even how that weight moves to biomechanics level when they start to move that way through space and also them in my class play of the killer someone like adds he's walking you can just see him wobbling from right collapsed well all the muscles in his back images knackered having to eat you don't deal with that stress she'd there is a little bit of the movement to right and left as were walking but not this big lockable so we're getting the biomechanics of the body and again we can't just you know it's not like we're gonna turn some ranches and then level and everything's perfect you know we've got to give the persons some education they've got the light they've got habits that they developed for a lifetime twenty thirty forty fifty sixty seventy eighty sometimes identified retooling ninety three years old you know so he gave them to give them the knowledge can be given the information and then the a c work that you know i popped out a little bit never treatment in the ninety the date that they utilize any event that they come back and ask me more you know how that goes you know from people some people or end up in themselves and some people just want to come lay there and they wanted a fictional you know so uh... you know i would bet you we can't help everyone but we can do our best absolutely act and that you'll be covering some of the uh... is that the education portions i have class at the canadian house conference well yeah i'm a breakdown the education course then i'm also going to break down until you like you know if you're if someone comes in with the allyl say cruel pain you know whatever the you know seventeen muscles based on travails research that you should make sure that you double check or if they come in with lumbar pain you know what are the uh... there again the eight muscle that doctor trip dot would pay the target and they don't like what order would she had said based on that research that you might want to tak those muscles there again it depends how the patient that came about uh... those trigger points setting up in the muscles and it's not all about for your points all granted appa it doesn't matter what type of body work do you do into turning point with terribly disappointed you're gonna run across these things you know whether you're doing myo bipolar structural work and they're so prominent in the body that uh... there again doesn't matter what type of body work you're doing the education applies to your patient structure you know i mean there's a map of the body of called the skeletal survey shows exactly how much of the whole lineup and that's what the chiropractors do they take an x_-ray and they say this doesn't line up here's the problem well we can take a picture and show you what's not wind up in the nats we touch the muscles here definitely confirms that all so uh... from a muscular point of view i think a massage therapist in this day in page had some powerful who wilson resources available for them now how many yelling uh... what our you mention sharepoint but what are some of the causes of back pain that you'll be covering and learning to treating her class well within that we're going to make sure that we discussed hostility talked some about pete we're gonna talk about the of muscular component by will pay off some money you know how the fact is we only have three hours so we're going to discuss uh... how the nerves can be involved in their again we've all had those patients that come in where they can barely walk in there kind of like a really able to crawl on the table and you're thinking why did you come to me today you should be at my place right here scared to even touched down you know what i'm saying then you found out that maybe they've taken some pain medication in your leg i when i got to be really careful to make a good weekend and put and during that whole process you know like and that they're telling you all gotten bolting bit you know what are some good quick cuts that you can do to rule it out or if you're doing a parents were quite you know a lot of the majority of my business over the years has come from appeal emergency rooms in the area and it so i see a lot of very few stopped and up sometimes it's and currents were and with that insurance work sometimes people are not motivated to get well so you've got uh... you know tech income of those have the are they being totally apart without them you know which ones are your my favorites and other way by the way you have a lot of stuff so uh... test to determine who submit linger and and he was relieved working on getting better and then what is the self care that you can provide for them a lot and that same self here is what you need to be doing for yourself so you know i didn't hear a lot of what i do for myself on a daily basis just to help maintain the of my practice so that on physically able to go in there and do the treatment cuz at targeting therapists that hard work i don't care what to do with stuff work other definitely very critical and mentally challenging came but it's really obvious david that you enjoyed enjoy what you can answer anything in particular that you enjoy about treating people who have back pain i think uh... the biggest thing that i enjoy you about um... people who have over whether it back pain or any type of pain it's just going through the whole investigation process and asking why you simpson why do they have been stage and using these deductive reasoning tha determine your next rational step you know because the body the the body is a very magical thing but there are you know it's like when you understand gravity when you understand certain basic concepts and the laws of the universe or how the body work so i'm not saying i understand the body i'm not trying to be anyone's guru here by any means but you know sometimes when you be you know over time sometime proven on the panel things we know and when we applied them it can be very powerful so i do love going through that process sub process seeing educating understanding my client and that that's something also that where you know all pap on in class again we only have three hours but you know as your client a visual an auditory or ten a static learner like for example or or when you're describing it to them they go you know i just don't hear what you're saying do you know that telling do their part a torrent or if they're saying you know i just can't picture that in my mind then all right now i need to give them he'd be cool explanation of what we're talking about like if they say i can't i just can't see that i know i need to pull out and anatomical model and show it to them i need to show them a visual on the trigger point charter of visual people that they're talking to me and they're saying now i want to be here in the on this or they're talking about like they're using things then i know that there are are victoria learner and i need to talk to them auditory no everywhere you know we all are on the tory visual summer people are more kind of static you know those are the people that when you say word at your back toward the goal on the point on you you know that kind of an hour they always want to touch you were there taking themselves okay there kennard like i've had a woman the other day very tight acutely so i knew okay i'm a touch under that you know it's anesthetic with her to the first few and then we take those and you can actually layer them like real life through their strongest anesthetic lian secondly there vidual an auditory their weekends so and then sometimes you didn't get that cleary punitive in movie you know but there again that it's just experience and it's understanding and it's enjoying the process and it's just a process of learning like today you give a massage it's much better than the one you first until we dated you know so we got better all the time but part of it is the passengers you know i a book by just love helping people you know i really do enjoy it definitely share dive have witnessed that passion specially in terms of educating people in our industry uh... i'm really glad that you shared idea that this is a process and account laid out that it's not just about the hands-on work it's about the apartment i look at it like solving a puzzle and people company whether retarded bank simple i have to figure out and based on the quake that they give me from thirteen of the pain of the companies that they're having and her pastor and all of the things that you've mentioned then i can helped them to figure out help myself to figure out where it's coming from what might that factional in order to help them sometimes run into therapists that don't get that part five-pound i think it's great that you mentioned that and i know that you provide a lot of talk to help their parts with that uh... without will make sure they get your website information and annette before we do that i want to ask you if you're any deeper they'd bite that you have for uh... people who were interested in learning to work with it could have back pain or in taking that there are one of your other classes well there again understanding the mechanics of the bar understanding the anatomy of a buddy i think is number one no matter what type of bodywork european and you need us hand what it is you're working on and how it works and how we can actually howard on kids in there again that's what learning process that i am i felt insulted that i'm always going through though anything you can do to learn more about the body the it's formats anatomy its function it's physiology i think it's critical i think it's also part of that process is applying that knowledge to yourself so it is important that you're taking good care of your body that uh... that you're doing the things like when you're back hurts you need to go to the freezer in poland i stepped out or you need to do the stretching that you tell a client who then we'll start to see god that's not so easy for them to do that you know maybe all i see if they get uh... in these positions that's much he so i'd have to teach them what to do if they get into these prices states and how they think and how the breed i mean they need to learn how to strengthen father you know i did the pen you gotta stay within your scope of practice but i think there again is understanding that it's more than just what there again were not killing them their killing themselves we are this silicate urs i think even our manual therapy you know the body of system euless response you've you've touched it with something hot upholds itself away you you cut it it will stop the bleeding same thing we manually go in and treated and tried influence that we get a ball rolling and we start it and we need to get that ball rolling in all these other areas of their life and to really do it effectively we have to implemented in our own life so you know sometimes i get that's why we got in the body work was so we could help ourselves that's what i see that's being about the coolest perfection it if you really apply at all it's like you really get to take care yourself while you're teaching other people how to do it because to me that because the coolest perfection going so i'm very grateful to be part of it meek and i i agree with your hundred first-round everything you've had and i really want encourage everyone listening here on come today the class happy canadian a press conference that prevents hw our table t or they just want to learn more about you in the meantime checkout speak out on the tools we talked about and and your other program can you share your contact information a website for that yet uh... the uh... debt to addresses they get to do the same spot so you can go to david kent dot com and you can go to camp help dot com and uh... but once you get to my website make sure at some point you click on contact us and give us your contact information so we stay in touch with you also make sure you click on articles so they like i said there's something like thirty or fifty articles now what there that you can download p_b_s_ it to your fellow students you the like yourself that the therapist for a purity girders water resources there for you as well also click in the watch and listen or you can learn more of little tips on how i had to take my patients and uh... how to build your practice i mean uh... everything that they're is it's there because like i said i'm just like you are my therapist out there trying to make a living make it happen that they figure out what's working there right now article about it you know and uh... and hear why not by which the restored the right those resources were not available when i got out of massage so like what's out there now with the internet and what you can do and what do you come learn so if you 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