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WILL GET UNDER WAY. THANK YOU
ALL FOR COMING THIS MORNING I'M
STATE REPRESENTATIVE JOE ACTON'S
ARE REPRESENTED IN A ROW HEIGHTS
OF THE MINNESOTA HOUSE THE
PURPOSE OF OUR LEGISLATION IS TO
PREVENT THEM TO TRY THAT ONE
MORE TIME, WE ARE INTRODUCING
LEGISLATION TODAY THAT WILL
PROVIDE COMMON-SENSE MEASURES TO
PREVENT SCAMS THAT TARGET
MINNESOTA SENIORS. ONE OF THE
COMMON DENOMINATORS THAT WE HAVE
FOUND IN SCAMS THAT TARGET
MINNESOTA SENIOR CITIZENS IS THE
USE OF WIRE TRANSACTIONS WHERE
FOLKS ARE ASKED TO WIRE MONEY
THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE
OFTENTIMES THOSE WIRE
TRANSACTIONS CAN BE PICKED UP
SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN WHERE YOU
SEND THEM. FOR EXAMPLE YOU MIGHT
BE THINKING YOUR WIRING MONEY TO
AN INJURED BRANCHAW THE NEW YORK
CITY AND IN FACT THE MONEY IS
BEING PICKED UP IN NEW JERSEY OR
IN FLORIDA OR SOME PLACE ABROAD.
THAT USED TO HAPPEN WITH PETER
RADER FREQUENCY BUT THE POINT IS
UNDER ONE OF THE PROVISIONS OF
THE BILL AND THERE ARE SEVERAL
ONE A COMMON-SENSE FEATURES IS
IF A PERSON WIRES MONEY LOCATION
AND IT'S BEEN PICKED UP SOME
PLACE OTHER THAN WHERE THEY SEND
IT BACK CENTER WILL BE NOTIFIED
SO IF YOU SEND IT TO NEW YORK
AND IN FACT IT'S BEEN PICKED UP
IN NEW JERSEY THE CENTER WILL BE
NOTIFIED. WHY WOULD THAT BE
IMPORTANT? THE REASON THAT IS
IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE WHEN YOU
SEND IT AND YOU THINK IT'S GOING
TO NEW YORK IT'S BEEN PICKED UP
BY CROOK BY A SCANT SOMEPLACE
ELSE ALLOWS THE SCANNERS TO
AVOID BEING DETECTED WHERE THEY
ARE SEEKING TO PICK UP THE MONEY
SO ALL OF SAYS IS YOU GET
NOTIFIED AS THE CENTER THAT IT'S
BEEN PICKED UP SOMEPLACE ELSE
AND YOU CAN STILL ALLOW THE
TRANSACTION TO GO THROUGH WHAT
YOU HAVE THE POWER TO DETERMINE
WHETHER NOT THAT ITS PLACE.
SPECIAL AGENT ART WILL TALK
ABOUT WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT WILL
GET TO HIM IN JUST A MOMENT I
WANT TO HAVE SENATOR BONOFF ALSO
TALKED ABOUT SOME PROVISIONS OF
THE BILL AND I BELIEVE THE
PERSONAL STORY THAT SHE HAS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THINK
YOU REPRESENTATIVE ATKINS FOR
BRINGING THIS FORWARD IN THE
SPECIAL THANK-YOU TO A RP FOR
WHAT THEY'RE DOING ON BEHALF OF
OUR SENIORS. THIS BILL IS REALLY
ABOUT THE PEOPLE WE LOVE AND
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE
REFERRED NAME IS A GRANDSTAND
YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT YOUR OWN
FAMILY AND SO I THOUGHT ABOUT MY
OLDEST SON HIS NAME IS JOSEPH
BONOFF PAULSON AND THE HE IS
NAMED AFTER MY DAD'S BED AND I
THINK BECAUSE OF THAT HE AND MY
DAD ARE UNBELIEVABLY CLOSE HE
LIVES IN WASHINGTON D.C. BECAUSE
MY DAD ONCE OR TWICE A WEEK AND
TELLS HIM EVERYTHING SO WHAT I
WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON
WITH HIM I CALL MY DAD. I'M
TELLING YOU IF SOMETHING HAPPENS
WHERE HE CALLED MY DAD SAID I
NEED ACCESS MY DAD WOULD FIND
MONEY IN A MATTER WHAT THE
MATTER HOW MUCH HE ASKED FOR AND
IT WOULD BE WIRED TOMORROW. AND
THEN YOU KNOW WHAT IF THAT DID
NOT GO TO HIM AND THREE WEEKS
LATER THE SAME THING HAPPENED MY
DAD MIGHT FORGET AND SAY REALLY
THIS IS ABOUT PROTECTING OUR
PARENTS OUR GRANDPARENTS FROM
MAKING SURE THEY'RE NOT TAKING
ADVANTAGE OF AND THEY'RE
VULNERABLE TIMES AND THAT'S NOT
THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENS YOU
WILL HEAR ABOUT OTHER SCAMS
WHERE WIRE FRAUD IS COMMITTED IN
THIS BILL IS AN ATTEMPT TO STOP
THEM ALL AND TO SAY WE AREN'T
GOING TO TOLERATE THAT AND WERE
GOING TO PROTECT OUR SENIORS. I
THINK YOU WILL APPRECIATE
HEARING DETAIL FROM SOMEONE WHO
IS ACTUALLY HAD THIS HAPPEN TO
SOMEONE THEY CARED VERY DEEPLY
ABOUT.
>> NEXT WILL TURN OVER TO
COMMISSIONER ROTHMAN FROM THE IT
DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND THEN
WILL BE FOLLOWED BY SPECIAL
RETIRED AGENT AND THEN WE HAVE
ONE OF THE SCAM VICTIMS.
>> I'M NOT SURE IF I SHOULD STEP
HERE, I REALLY WANT TO THANK
REPRESENTATIVE ATKINS AND
SENATOR BONOFF AND AARP AND AND
ALL THE SENIORS WHO HAVE FOCUSED
ON THIS ISSUE. I CAN'T TELL YOU
HOW THE TIMES I'VE GONE OUT TO
SPEAK TO CONSUMER GROUPS I CAN
THINK OF ONE THAT'S PARTICULARLY
RELEVANT FOR THIS MORNING. LAST
YEAR I WAS SPEAKING WITH SKIP
HUMPHREY AND WE REPRESENTATIVE
THE MINNETONKA POLICE DEPARTMENT
AND WE HAD A GROUP OF 75
SENIORS AND AFTER THE EVENT
THERE WERE RELEASED TANNER 52
CAME UP TO ME AND SAID I HAVE A
STORY TO TELL YOU AND IT BROUGHT
ME THEIR PAPERWORK AND
INVARIABLY IT WILL BE SOMEONE A
SENIOR WHO PICK UP THE PHONE AND
HAD SOMEONE SAY THEIR NAME AND
THEN IN RESPONSE TO THE SENIOR
SAYS IS THIS JOE? AND THEY SAY
YES IS A JOKE, WHILE I AM IN
TROUBLE AND MANY MY MONEY AND
NEED MONEY TO GET IN A JAIL OR
DO THIS OR THAT I'M IN TROUBLE.
THE NEXT THING THAT WILL HAPPEN
IS THAT PERSON WILL A
GRANDMOTHER OR GRANDFATHER WILL
SEND THAT MONEY TO SOMEONE AND
IT'S JUST A TOTAL RIPOFF. IT IS
BECAUSE SENIORS HAVE THE WEIGHT
YOU THINK WHAT IT SENIORS HAVE 7
PERCENT OF THE WEALTH IN UNITED
STATES TODAY THAT WILL BE
TRANSFERRED TO THE NEXT
GENERATION AND CRIMINALS KNOW
THAT. THE OTHER PROBLEM IS
SENIORS HAVE DIMINISHED
CAPACITY IN DIMINISHED DURING MY
HEARING IS GOING AS WELL. THE
PROBLEM IS THEY'RE VERY
SUSCEPTIBLE TO THESE SCAM
ARTISTS AND THAT'S WHAT THIS. IT
IS NOT JUST A ONE-OFF INCIDENT,
BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY ORGANIZED
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT WE ARE
HERE TO STOP. I'M GLAD TO SEE
THE LEGISLATION IT WILL GIVE US
GREATER AUTHORITY TO HELP AND
STOP THESE CRIMINALS AND I CAN'T
THINK THE AUTHORS A ENOUGH FOR
INTRODUCING AND SPONSORING THIS
LEGISLATION. THANK YOU.
>> I'M JIM ARNOLD PALMER RETIRED
SENIOR SPECIAL AGENT FOR THE
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY FOR
THE STATE OF MINNESOTA. I SERVED
IN LAW ENFORCEMENT FOR THE
CITIZENS OF MINNESOTA OR 33
YEARS. I WANT TO TELL YOU THIS
PARTICULAR CRIME TARGETING OUR
SENIOR CITIZENS IS OF THE MOST
UNDERREPORTED CRIME THEN I SAW
IN 33 YEARS. WE WERE ADVISED BY
OTHER LAW ENFORCEMENT TO DEAL
WITH US ON A REGULAR BASIS PRIOR
TO BE GETTING INVOLVED IN 2007,
THAT THIS CRIME IS REPORTED AT
ABOUT 5% RATE. 5% 1 OUT OF 20,
OF THOSE ABOUT HALF OF THE
VICTIMS WILL LIE ABOUT LOSING
MONEY. THE REASON EMBARRASSMENT.
NO ONE LIKES TO BELIEVE AND SAY
AND ADMIT THAT THEY HAVE BEEN
THE VICTIM OF CRIME. ESPECIALLY
ONE WITH A MADE DECISION TO SEND
MONEY. ALL OF OUR SENIORS AT
SOME POINT AND THOSE YOUNGER ARE
SUSCEPTIBLE IT ONLY DEPENDS AND
HOW SOPHISTICATED THE CRIME IS
WHAT IS PRESENTED TO THEM, IT
MAY BE THE MEDICINES THEY HAVE
RECENTLY TAKEN OR MAY BE
EMOTIONAL THINGS OCCURRED IN
THEIR LIVES. OUR PROGRAM STARTED
IN 2007 BY THE TIME I RETIRED IN
EARLY 2012 WE HAD RECEIVED OVER
100,000 COMPLAINTS LAST TWO
YEARS WE WERE DOCUMENTED AND
REPORTED LOSSES OF FOUR OR $5
BILLION A YEAR FROM SENIOR
CITIZENS MAINLY HERE IN
MINNESOTA. THE FEDERAL TRADE
COMMISSION HAS JUST SAID AND THE
JAMAICAN LOTTERY SCAM IS
BASICALLY ABOUT A BILLION
DOLLARS A YEAR CRIME. FROM OUR
SENIOR CITIZENS ACROSS THE
UNITED STATES. THIS IS A
SERIOUS SERIOUS CRIME IT AFFECTS
OUR SENIORS, TERRIBLY OUT IN
AFFECTS FAMILIES AND IT AFFECTS
THE STATE OF MINNESOTA I'M VERY
SURPRISED I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT
WE ARE HAVING THIS LEGISLATION
HERE IN FRONT OF US AND THAT WE
WILL HOPEFULLY MOVE FORWARD AND
DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THANK YOU
VERY MUCH.
>> MY NAME IS PEGGY EASTERN AND
I'M AN AARP FROM DULUTH. I'M
HERE TO TELL MY FAMILY STORY
ABOUT WIRE TRANSFER FRAUD A
STORY THAT HAPPENS ALL TOO
OFTEN. ACROSS THE STATE OF
MINNESOTA. ON BEHALF OF AARP I
WOULD LIKE TO THANK
REPRESENTATIVE JOE ATKINS AND
SENATOR TERRY BONOFF AND
COMMISSIONER MICHAEL ROTHMAN FOR
LISTENING TO THESE STORIES AND
ACTING. YOU ARE PROVIDING THE
LEADERSHIP WE NEED TO HELP STOP
WIRE TRANSFER FRAUD THE
DEVASTATING CRIME THAT CAUGHT MY
MOTHER. OVER 10 DAYS IN JUNE OF
2010 MY MOTHER WHO LIVES ONLY A
VERY SMALL PENSION AND SOCIAL
SECURITY WAS COERCED INTO
SENDING $47,000 WHICH INCLUDED
$10,000 CASH TO A JAMAICAN SCAM.
HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? PHONE CALL
FROM JAMAICA ADVISED HER THAT
SHE HAD WON $2.5 MILLION AND A
MERCEDES-BENZ. SEVERAL CALLS
LATER SHE WAS CONVINCED TO SEND
MONEY FOR SHIPPING THE CAR.
DURING THAT TIME OF THE NEXT 10
DAYS THE CALLS KEPT COMING AND
BECOMING MORE DEMANDING AND MORE
PERSONALIZED. THEY SOMEHOW KNEW
THAT CHURCH WAS IMPORTANT TO HER
AND THE CALLER CLAIMED TO BE A
MINISTER. THE CALLER GAVE HER
TRUST AND CULTURE ABOUT EXACTLY
WHERE TO GO TO OBTAIN CASH
ADVANCES ON HER ZERO BALANCE
CREDIT CARDS. THE WALKER THROUGH
EXACTLY HOW TO WIRE MONEY SHE
HAD NEVER WIRED MONEY BEFORE IN
HER LIFE. THEY TOLD HER TO GO TO
KMART AND SUPER 1 AND WEST
DULUTH NEAR HER HOME TO WIRE IT.
IT WAS INCREDIBLY EASY NOT ONCE
WHEN SHE STOPPED ALONG THE WAY,
AT ONE POINT SHE ACTUALLY WITH
TO $10,000 IN CASH PUT IT IN AN
ENVELOPE AND TRAVELED ACROSS
TOWN TO SEND IT. BEFORE WE DO
IT SHED NEXT OUT TO ZERO
BALANCED CREDIT CARDS AND WENT
INTO SEVERE CREDIT CARD DEBT.
WHAT WE NOW KNOW IS THE SCAMS
STEM FROM A HOTBED OF ILLEGAL
CRIMINAL ACTIVITY THAT TARGETS
OLDER MINNESOTA'S. THESE
FUNSTERS EITHER SEDUCED
VULNERABLE CITIZENS TO SEND
MONEY FOR PROMISED GOODS OR
WINNINGS THAT DID NOT EXIST. OR
THEY CONVINCE THEM THAT THEIR
GRANDCHILDREN OR LOVED ONES ARE
IN DANGER IN NEED THEM TO WIRE
MONEY. MOST PEOPLE DON'T REPORT
THIS KIND OF CRIME IN FACT
EXPERTS SAY ONLY ABOUT 5 PERCENT
OF THE CRIMES ARE REPORTED. IT'S
TOO EMBARRASSING AND LAW-
ENFORCEMENT CAN DO LITTLE TO
STOP IT. MINNESOTA NEEDS TO PASS
THIS BILL TO BETTER PROTECT ITS
MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS OUR
ELDERS. FOR OUR FAMILY WAS YOUR
HEART RATE IS TO TRY TO HELP OUR
MOM MY MOTHER AT AGE 83 HAD
FILED BANKRUPTCY ANSWER INTEREST
ALONE ON THE CREDIT CARD DEBT
WAS MORE THAN THEIR INCOME. WE
REALIZE THERE WAS VERY LITTLE WE
COULD DO WE CONTACTED THE FBI,
THE SECRET SERVICE, HOME WHEN
SECURITY, DULUTH POLICE,
POSTMASTER GENERAL, AN ATTORNEY
GENERAL AND THE MINNESOTA
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY. THE
ONLY HOPE WE RECEIVED WAS FROM
THE MINNESOTA DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC SAFETY. BOTH MOTHER AND I
IN ATTENDED IT AND FRAUD FIGHTER
FORM IN NOVEMBER 2010 IN DULUTH
OR HEARD ABOUT AARP THE
ATTORNEY-GENERAL OF
INVESTIGATOR TALKED ABOUT FRAUD
WHEN HE SPOKE ABOUT VICTIMS
EXACTLY LIKE MY MOM I REALIZED
WE WERE NOT ALONE. TO MANY
SENIORS ACROSS OUR STATE HAVE
LOST THEIR LIFE SAVINGS THEY
FEEL SO MUCH SHAME AND THE ISLIP
THEMSELVES AND SUFFER ALONE. OUR
SENIORS DESERVE MORE PROTECTION
FROM FRAUD OUR TAXPAYERS DESERVE
IT BECAUSE OF MILLIONS OF HARD-
EARNED DOLLARS ARE WIRED DOWN
THE DRAIN EVERY YEAR. WE NEED
THE LEADERS BY PASSING THIS
LEGISLATION AND IN DOING SO
PROVIDE A STRONG EXAMPLE OF TAX
PAYER PROTECTION AGAINST ARE
VULNERABLE CITIZENS. OUR ELDERS
HAVE WORKED HARD PAID TAXES HAVE
FOLLOWED OUR LAWS NOW IN THE
PROTECTION AGAINST THIS ILLEGAL
ACTIVITY. IT IS AN ALMOST THREE
YEARS SINCE THIS HAPPENED TO MY
MOM, WHEN I ASKED HER WHAT IT
FELT LIKE TO HOLD $10,000 IN
CASH AND PUT IT IN AN ENVELOPE
TO MAY LEAD SHE SAID I DON'T
REMEMBER. THEY HAD MY MIND I
DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS DOING.
THERE IS NOT A DAY IN HER LIFE
SINCE THOSE 10 DAYS OF JUNE IN
2010 THAT IS BEEN NORMAL FOR
HER. THE OUTCOME OF THIS HAS
BEEN A NIGHTMARE. NOT ONLY HAS
SHE LOST HER FINANCIAL
INDEPENDENCE HER HEALTH IS
DETERIORATING SHE HAS ISOLATED
HERSELF AND SHE FEELS ASHAMED.
THE SCANNERS NOT ONLY TOOK MONEY
FROM MY MOTHER ABOUT HER HEALTH
AND HER SPIRIT AS WELL. ON
BEHALF OF MY MOTHER AND ALL THE
SENIORS ACROSS OUR STATE WILL
FALLEN VICTIM TO THIS CRIME, HOW
LIKE TO URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THE
PASSAGE OF THIS BILL TO PROTECT
SENIORS FROM WIRE TRANSFER
FRAUD. WE HAVE A DUTY PATH TO
CREATE THE SAFETY NET TO
QUESTION THE LEAD AND STOP ARE
MOST VULNERABLE CITIZENS FROM
WIRING AWAY A LIFE SAVINGS. I
NEVER THOUGHT SOMETHING LIKE
THIS WOULD HAPPEN TO MY MOTHER
NOW KNOW IT CAN HAPPEN TO
ANYONE. AND ONCE MOTHER NEIGHBOR
OR FRIEND WE ALL NEED TO PAY
MORE ATTENTION TO OUR ELDERS AND
TO PASS STRONG LAWS THAT WILL
HELP THEM AVOID FRAUD. MINNESOTA
SENIORS ARE WORTH PROTECTING
THEY ARE OUR BROTHERS OUR
FATHERS AND OUR GRANDMOTHERS AND
GRANDFATHERS THEY PROTECTED US
WHEN WE WERE YOUNG AND NOW WE
NEED TO PROTECT THEM. THANK YOU.
>> WITH THAT FOLKS WILL TAKE
YOUR QUESTIONS.
>> LET ME ASK YOU IN THIS CASE
WITH PEGGY, WHAT WOULD YOUR WHAT
DO THAT WOULD'VE HELPED HER
GRANDMOTHER OR A YOU REALIZE
THAT SOMETHING WAS AMISS HERE?
>> THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION THEIR
SEVERAL PIECES TO THE
LEGISLATION. ONE AND AS A
SPECIAL AGENT WILL CONFIRM, MOST
OF THE TIMES WHEN THE
TRANSACTIONS ARE MADE THERE SENT
TO A PLACE THEY CAN BE CAUGHT
WHERE THE TRANSACTION WAS WIRED
TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IN
THE FIRST PLACE. THEN IN
ADDITION TO THAT IS ALSO AN
OPPORTUNITY TO PUT PEOPLE ON A
LIST SO THEY'RE NOT ABLE TO WIRE
MONEY. THAT MAY WELL THEN THE
SITUATION FOR PEGGY'S MOTHER I
DID WANT TO KNOW BY PEGGY'S
SITUATION STARTED THIS WHEN SHE
MAILED ME A YEAR-AND-A-HALF AGO
AND FOLLOWED UP WITH THE SPECIAL
AGENT AND IT JUST GOES TO SHOW
FOLKS HERE IN MINNESOTA CAN GET
THE BALL ROLLING AND IT BEARS
MENTION THAT MINNESOTANS ARE
PARTICULAR TARGETS FOR THIS SORT
OF SCAM BECAUSE WE IN MINNESOTA
AND IN THE MIDWEST ARE FAIRLY
TRUSTING PEOPLE. IT IS JUST OUR
NATURE TO TRY TO WANT TO HELP SO
MINNESOTA IS WHEN THE SPECIAL
AGENT ARE AND PEGGY TALKED
ABOUT HIS BEHALF SAID IT TRULY
IS AMONG ALL THE STATES ACROSS
THE COUNTRY THIS CAMERAS TARGET
MINNESOTA SENIORS EVEN MORE THAN
ANYBODY ELSE.
>> ESSENTIALLY TO MAKE SURE WE
HAVE THIS RIGHT, THIS BILL WOULD
THEN REQUIRE THE MONEY TRANSFER
REEF YOU GO INTO WESTERN UNION
OR K-MART OR WAL-MART OR TO
TRANSFER THE MONEY THEY THEN
HAVE TO SEND YOU AN E-MAIL
TELLING YOU WHERE THAT MONEY WAS
TRANSFERRED TO IS THAT YET SO IT
TARGETS THE MONEY TRANSFERS?
>> IT'S MORE EXPLICIT THAN THAT
LET'S SAY YOU'RE GOING TO SEND
IT TO YORK. IT WAS BEING
ATTEMPTED TO BE PICKED UP
ELSEWHERE, IF ANY OTHER PLACE
THAN WHERE YOU SENT IT A AS A
CENTER YOU GET AND THOSE OF THAT
AND YOU WOULD THEN HAVE AN
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY YES I KNOW
THERE NOW NEW JERSEY AS TO WHAT
THE TRANSACTION TO GO THROUGH IT
SOUNDS SO SIMPLE, BUT THAT IS
THE CRUX OF THE LEGISLATION THAT
IS BECAUSE THE SCANNERS DON'T
WANT TO GO WITH THE MONEY WAS
SUPPOSED TO BE PICKED UP. THEY
KNOW THEY MIGHT BE CAUGHT THERE.
>> IT SEEMS TO ME LET ME ASK YOU
OF IT THIS IS WHAT THE LAW WOULD
DO THAT IT WOULD BE TOO LONG
BEFORE THE BAD GUYS COULD FIGURE
OUT ALL JUST SET UP MY SHELL
COMPANY IN NEW YORK RATHER THAN
TO MAKE UP AT THE MONEY WOULD
GO STRAIGHT TO NEW YORK IN ALL
WOULD SEEM FINE WHEN IN FACT
IT'S GOING IN THE WRONG HANDS.
>> THAT IS TRUE UNTIL THE POINT
THAT THE VICTIM IS MADE AWARE
AND IF WE HAD THIS LEGISLATION
IN PLACE WHEN I WAS WORKING WITH
VICTIMS OUT OF TURN AROUND AND
SEND MONEY ON THEIR BEHALF AFTER
READ INTERCEDED WITH THE
VICTIMS AND HAD LONG FOR SPENT
AT THE OTHER LOCATION FOLLOW THE
RECIPIENT OF THE MONEY BACK TO
WHERE THEY WERE OPERATING OUT
OF. SO IF THE MONEY WAS TO GO TO
NORTH ONTARIO I WOULD HAVE WON
MY FRIENDS UP THERE FOLLOW THEM
BACK AND IDENTIFIED WITH A GROUP
IS THAT IS CONDUCTING THIS AND
THEN START THEIR INVESTIGATION
ON THEIR END AND BE ABLE TO THAT
QUICKLY BE ABLE TO END UP
IDENTIFYING AND STARTED AN
INVESTIGATION. BUT WHEN YOU'RE
WORKING WITH VICTIMS TO LEAVE
THE MONEY IS GOING TO NORTH BAY
ONTARIO AND EXPECT UP IN
VANCOUVER OR MONTREAL OR
ANYWHERE ELSE IN CANADA IT MAKES
IT VERY HARD FOR ME TO END UP
HAVING A LAW ENFORCEMENT PERSON
THERE TO TO HAVE BEEN FOLLOWED
HOME. THE OTHER THING IS IF GIVE
A GRANDPARENT EMERGENCY SCAM AND
LITTLE JOHNNY IS IN JAIL IN
NORTH BAY ONTARIO BUT THE MONEY
IS BEING ATTEMPTED TO BE PICKED
UP IN MONTREAL, THAT SHOULD
HOPEFULLY BE ENOUGH TO GET MORE
RED FLAG TO OUR SENIOR CITIZENS
NOW WAIT A SECOND MAYBE I OUGHT
TO CHECK WITH LITTLE JOHNNY'S
PARENTS FIRST TO MAKE SURE THAT
JOHNNY IS ACTUALLY IN JAIL
THERE.
>> THE OTHER THING IS AS PART OF
A LEGISLATION AND ASHLEY SAYS
THAT IF THE RECEIVER IS SOMEONE
OTHER THAN WHO THE PERSON OUT
THERE WERE SENDING IT TO THEY
WOULD GET A NOTICE BACK OF WHO
ACTUALLY PICKED IT UP AND
ANOTHER UNFORTUNATE THING IS
THIS MAY HAPPEN MORE THAN ONCE
TO SOMEONE ONCE SOMEONE IS SHOWN
TO BE VULNERABLE IN THIS AREA
BACK TO THE SAME PERSON AND
OFTEN YOU DEALING WITH THINGS
LIKE MEMORY ISSUES WHERE THEY
DON'T RECALL THAT THIS HAPPEN TO
THEM SO BY HAVING A LIST AND
KEEPING TRACK OF THAT NOW THE
PROVIDERS WITH AGO AND TRY TO
TRANSFER FROM CAN SAY GREAT
YOU'RE NOT SOMEONE WHO SHOULD BE
DOING THIS. IT HAS SEVERAL
DIFFERENT LAYERS OF PROTECTION
SENATE.
>> IF I MIGHT THERE WAS ONE. WE
FAIL TO MAKE AND A SPECIAL AGENT
ARE HAS MADE MANY TIMES TO IS IS
THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE JOKE ABOUT
THIS AND IT IS A LOTTERY SCAM OR
ACTUALLY MUCH MORE ORGANIZED
THAN WE EVER IMAGINED. WE MAY
WANT TO HEAR MORE ABOUT THAT
BUT IT'S ORGANIZED CRIME IS
BEHIND MOST OF IT THERE SO MUCH
MONEY IN IT NOW THAT THE
ORGANIZED CRIME FOLKS HAVE MOVED
INTO THIS AND PARTICULARLY IN
EASTERN EUROPE. I BELIEVE IN
PARTS OF AFRICA WHERE THEY'VE MY
HOPE IS ONCE WE MAKE THE MOVE
TOWARDS DOING SOMETHING TO
PROTECT MINNESOTANS THE WORD
WILL GET OUT THE JABBOUR LIKELY
TO GET CAUGHT AND THE TARGET
SOMEONE ELSE. I WAS JUST AMAZED
AT THE LEVEL OF SOPHISTICATION
INVOLVED THAT SPECIAL AGENT CARL
DESCRIBE FOR US.
>> HOW MANY OF THE STATES HAVE
LAWS LIKE THIS ON THE BOOKS
ALREADY?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING I CHECKED
WITH WITH THE NATIONAL
CONFERENCE OF STATE LEGISLATORS
AND APPARENTLY WE OF THE FIRST.
IT SHOULDN'T SURPRISE YOU SINCE
MINNESOTANS AND BE TARGETED MORE
THAN ANYBODY ELSE.
>> I FIRST CAME TO THIS ISSUE
BECAUSE SENATOR SCHEID I CARE
DEEPLY ABOUT THIS ISSUE AND SHE
PASSED AWAY AND THEN JOE CAME IN
AND ASKED IF I WOULD TAKE IT IN
HER MEMORY SO I'M ALSO PROUD TO
BE WORKING ON SOMETHING THAT I
KNOW SHE CARED DEEPLY ABOUT AND
WAS VERY ENGAGED IN.
>> MY MOTHER DOES NOT HAVE
DEMENTIA. SHE KEPT A VERY
ACCURATE RECORDS OF EVERYTHING
SHE DID. SO I HAVE THOSE
RECORDS AND SOME THOSE RECORDS
THERE WERE PROBLEMS WITH THE
WIRE MONEY TRANSFER AND THE
PHONE NUMBERS WERE CHANGED SO
THIS DOES HAPPEN THESE PEOPLE
ARE SMART AND THEY'RE SMARTER
THAN PROBABLY MAYBE WE ARE THEY
KNOW EVERY LOOPHOLE AND EXACTLY
WHAT TO DO. SO I DON'T THINK
THERE'S EVER NOT CORN TO BE
VICTIMS BUT WE HAVE TO DO
SOMETHING TO STOP AND PUT HIM ON
FLAGS POP SO WE CAN STOP SOME OF
THIS AND EVENTUALLY EDUCATION.
>> HOW DID YOUR MOM LET YOU KNOW
THAT SHE WAS DAMNED? HOW TO THE
CONVERSATION GO?
>> IT CAUSED A BIG FAMILY ISSUE
AND RIGHT NOW I REALLY DON'T
WANT TO GET INTO THAT. BECAUSE I
WAS UNAWARE THEN SOMEONE ELSE
WAS AWARE AND DIDN'T DO WHAT
THEY NEEDED TO DO. I REALLY
DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. I
AM NOT HERE FOR THAT.
>> I THINK SOME OF US ARE ABLE
TO STICK AROUND A FEW OF
INDIVIDUAL QUESTIONS BUT ALL WAS
THE BILL I BELIEVE IT GETS ITS
FIRST HEARING THIS AFTERNOON IN
THE HOUSE COMMERCE COMMITTEE.
AND TOMORROW IN THE SENATE.