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>>> WELCOME TO "AT ISSUE." THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. I AM H. WAYNE WILSON.
US. I AM H. WAYNE WILSON. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK
I AM H. WAYNE WILSON. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECT O OR OF
WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECT O OR OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE
TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECT O OR OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE AND TO TWO CENTRAL ILLINOIS
THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE AND TO TWO CENTRAL ILLINOIS MAYORS ABOUT A VERY SERIOUS
AND TO TWO CENTRAL ILLINOIS MAYORS ABOUT A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, IT REVOLVES AROUND THE
MAYORS ABOUT A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, IT REVOLVES AROUND THE COST OF PENSIONS AND HOW THEY
ISSUE, IT REVOLVES AROUND THE COST OF PENSIONS AND HOW THEY AFFECT CITY BUDGETS.
COST OF PENSIONS AND HOW THEY AFFECT CITY BUDGETS. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER
AFFECT CITY BUDGETS. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ISSUES AS WELL, BUT WE WILL
WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ISSUES AS WELL, BUT WE WILL START WITH THAT.
ISSUES AS WELL, BUT WE WILL START WITH THAT. LET ME INTRODUCE THE THREE
START WITH THAT. LET ME INTRODUCE THE THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE
LET ME INTRODUCE THE THREE INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT.
INDIVIDUALS WHO WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT. LARRY FRANG IS THE EXECUTIVE
DISCUSSING THAT. LARRY FRANG IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ILLINOIS
LARRY FRANG IS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE.
DIRECTOR OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. THANKS, H.
MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. THANKS, H. >>THANKS FOR BEING HERE.
THANKS, H. >>THANKS FOR BEING HERE. CHRIS KOOS HAS BEEN ON THE SHOW
>>THANKS FOR BEING HERE. CHRIS KOOS HAS BEEN ON THE SHOW MANY TIMES, AND HE IS THE MAYOR
CHRIS KOOS HAS BEEN ON THE SHOW MANY TIMES, AND HE IS THE MAYOR OF NORMAL.
MANY TIMES, AND HE IS THE MAYOR OF NORMAL. OF COURSE, JIM ARDIS, THE MAYOR
OF NORMAL. OF COURSE, JIM ARDIS, THE MAYOR OF PEORIA.
OF COURSE, JIM ARDIS, THE MAYOR OF PEORIA. THANK YOU BOTH, MAYORS, AND TO
OF PEORIA. THANK YOU BOTH, MAYORS, AND TO LARRY FOR JOINING US.
THANK YOU BOTH, MAYORS, AND TO LARRY FOR JOINING US. >> BOTH THE CITY OF NORMAL AND
LARRY FOR JOINING US. >> BOTH THE CITY OF NORMAL AND THE CITY OF PEORIA WENT THROUGH
>> BOTH THE CITY OF NORMAL AND THE CITY OF PEORIA WENT THROUGH VERY DIFFICULT BUDGET
THE CITY OF PEORIA WENT THROUGH VERY DIFFICULT BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS.
VERY DIFFICULT BUDGET NEGOTIATIONS. THE WHOLE -- THE HOLE CREATED
NEGOTIATIONS. THE WHOLE -- THE HOLE CREATED IN THEIR BUDGET WAS, IN PART,
THE WHOLE -- THE HOLE CREATED IN THEIR BUDGET WAS, IN PART, DUE TO THE COST OF PENSIONS
IN THEIR BUDGET WAS, IN PART, DUE TO THE COST OF PENSIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN ESCALATING WAY
DUE TO THE COST OF PENSIONS WHICH HAVE BEEN ESCALATING WAY BEYOND ANY -- WHAT ANYBODY ARE
WHICH HAVE BEEN ESCALATING WAY BEYOND ANY -- WHAT ANYBODY ARE EXPECTED.
BEYOND ANY -- WHAT ANYBODY ARE EXPECTED. HOW SERIOUS IS IT FOR PEORIA?
EXPECTED. HOW SERIOUS IS IT FOR PEORIA? >> IT IS A PRETTY -- I'D SAY IT
HOW SERIOUS IS IT FOR PEORIA? >> IT IS A PRETTY -- I'D SAY IT IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, H.
>> IT IS A PRETTY -- I'D SAY IT IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, H. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE STATE
IS A VERY SERIOUS ISSUE, H. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS A FEW WEEKS
WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT THE STATE OF THE CITY ADDRESS A FEW WEEKS AGO, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT TO
OF THE CITY ADDRESS A FEW WEEKS AGO, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THAT
AGO, JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND THAT THE PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE NUMBERS.
THE PEOPLE THAT MAY OR MAY NOT KNOW THE NUMBERS. OUR POLICE AND FIRE PENSION
KNOW THE NUMBERS. OUR POLICE AND FIRE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE INCREASED
OUR POLICE AND FIRE PENSION CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FIVE
CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS.
SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST FIVE OR SIX YEARS. ON THE POLICE SIDE, OVER 55%.
OR SIX YEARS. ON THE POLICE SIDE, OVER 55%. ON THE FIRESIDE, PROBABLY CLOSE
ON THE POLICE SIDE, OVER 55%. ON THE FIRESIDE, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 80%.
ON THE FIRESIDE, PROBABLY CLOSE TO 80%. CONTRASTINGLY, THE UNFUNDED
TO 80%. CONTRASTINGLY, THE UNFUNDED RATIO HAS INCREASED.
CONTRASTINGLY, THE UNFUNDED RATIO HAS INCREASED. SO -- OR DECLINED, THINK WHERE
RATIO HAS INCREASED. SO -- OR DECLINED, THINK WHERE FROM 5 TO 15%.
SO -- OR DECLINED, THINK WHERE FROM 5 TO 15%. SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO
FROM 5 TO 15%. SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO CONTRIBUTE MORE AND MORE.
SO WE ARE CONTINUING TO CONTRIBUTE MORE AND MORE. THE UNFUNDED PART CONTINUES TO
CONTRIBUTE MORE AND MORE. THE UNFUNDED PART CONTINUES TO GET WORSE.
THE UNFUNDED PART CONTINUES TO GET WORSE. AND WE ARE REALLY IN A DESPERATE
GET WORSE. AND WE ARE REALLY IN A DESPERATE SITUATION WE NEED TO HAVE SOME
AND WE ARE REALLY IN A DESPERATE SITUATION WE NEED TO HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH
SITUATION WE NEED TO HAVE SOME VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE
VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR STATE LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE IT CONTINUING ADDITION TO THE
OUR STATE LEGISLATORS ABOUT THE IT CONTINUING ADDITION TO THE PENSIONS.
IT CONTINUING ADDITION TO THE PENSIONS. >>WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT THE
PENSIONS. >>WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE MIGHT BE ABLE
>>WE WILL TALK ABOUT WHAT THE STATE LEGISLATURE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AFTER WE TALK TO THE MAYOR
STATE LEGISLATURE MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO AFTER WE TALK TO THE MAYOR OF NORMAL ABOUT MAYOR ARDIS USED
TO DO AFTER WE TALK TO THE MAYOR OF NORMAL ABOUT MAYOR ARDIS USED THE TERM DESPERATE SITUATION.
OF NORMAL ABOUT MAYOR ARDIS USED THE TERM DESPERATE SITUATION. IS IT DES ARE OPERATE FOR NORMAL
THE TERM DESPERATE SITUATION. IS IT DES ARE OPERATE FOR NORMAL >> I WOULDN'T CHARACTER LIZE O
IS IT DES ARE OPERATE FOR NORMAL >> I WOULDN'T CHARACTER LIZE O RISE IT AS DES ARE OPERATE FOR
>> I WOULDN'T CHARACTER LIZE O RISE IT AS DES ARE OPERATE FOR NORMAL.
RISE IT AS DES ARE OPERATE FOR NORMAL. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY MOVING IN
NORMAL. BUT IT IS DEFINITELY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION.
BUT IT IS DEFINITELY MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES NIS
THAT DIRECTION. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES NIS DIFFERENCE, WHAT MUNICIPALITY
I DON'T THINK IT MAKES NIS DIFFERENCE, WHAT MUNICIPALITY YOU TALK TORQUE YOU WILL HEAR
DIFFERENCE, WHAT MUNICIPALITY YOU TALK TORQUE YOU WILL HEAR THE SAME STORY ABOUT THE PENSION
YOU TALK TORQUE YOU WILL HEAR THE SAME STORY ABOUT THE PENSION ENHANCEMENTS.
THE SAME STORY ABOUT THE PENSION ENHANCEMENTS. IN THE LONG-TERM, IT IS NOT
ENHANCEMENTS. IN THE LONG-TERM, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE.
IN THE LONG-TERM, IT IS NOT SUSTAINABLE. THE NUMBERS MAYOR ARDIS TALKS
SUSTAINABLE. THE NUMBERS MAYOR ARDIS TALKS ABOUT REFLECTS THE GROWTH
THE NUMBERS MAYOR ARDIS TALKS ABOUT REFLECTS THE GROWTH PATTERN WE ARE SEEING.
ABOUT REFLECTS THE GROWTH PATTERN WE ARE SEEING. OUR PENSION MANDATES HAVE
PATTERN WE ARE SEEING. OUR PENSION MANDATES HAVE INCREASED THREE-FOLD SINCE THE
OUR PENSION MANDATES HAVE INCREASED THREE-FOLD SINCE THE YEAR 2000.
INCREASED THREE-FOLD SINCE THE YEAR 2000. IT IS JUST NOT A SUSTAINABLE
YEAR 2000. IT IS JUST NOT A SUSTAINABLE PATTERN.
IT IS JUST NOT A SUSTAINABLE PATTERN. >> WHAT IS DRIVING THIS -- WHAT
PATTERN. >> WHAT IS DRIVING THIS -- WHAT HAS THE LEGISLATURE DONE IN THE
>> WHAT IS DRIVING THIS -- WHAT HAS THE LEGISLATURE DONE IN THE LAST TEN OR 15 YEARS TO CAUSE
HAS THE LEGISLATURE DONE IN THE LAST TEN OR 15 YEARS TO CAUSE THIS PROBLEM?
LAST TEN OR 15 YEARS TO CAUSE THIS PROBLEM? >> WELL, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
THIS PROBLEM? >> WELL, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COMMISSIONED AT OUR REQUEST A
>> WELL, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY COMMISSIONED AT OUR REQUEST A STUDY OF FIVE POLICE AND FIRE
COMMISSIONED AT OUR REQUEST A STUDY OF FIVE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUNDS.
STUDY OF FIVE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUNDS. IT WAS THE COMMISSION ON
PENSION FUNDS. IT WAS THE COMMISSION ON GOVERNMENT FORECASTING.
IT WAS THE COMMISSION ON GOVERNMENT FORECASTING. >>AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
GOVERNMENT FORECASTING. >>AND ACCOUNTABILITY. >>AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
>>AND ACCOUNTABILITY. >>AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY DETERMINED THAT THE DRIVERS
>>AND ACCOUNTABILITY. THEY DETERMINED THAT THE DRIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT
THEY DETERMINED THAT THE DRIVERS THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE, THAT THERE ARE TWO MAIN
THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT HERE, THAT THERE ARE TWO MAIN ISSUES.
HERE, THAT THERE ARE TWO MAIN ISSUES. ONE IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY
ISSUES. ONE IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY INCREASING BENEFITS AND,
ONE IS THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY INCREASING BENEFITS AND, SECONDLY, THE LACK OF MAKING THE
INCREASING BENEFITS AND, SECONDLY, THE LACK OF MAKING THE ASSUMED RATE OF INVESTMENT
SECONDLY, THE LACK OF MAKING THE ASSUMED RATE OF INVESTMENT RETURN.
ASSUMED RATE OF INVESTMENT RETURN. BUT THE TOP ONE BEING BENEFIT
RETURN. BUT THE TOP ONE BEING BENEFIT INCREASES.
BUT THE TOP ONE BEING BENEFIT INCREASES. THE SECOND BEING LACK OF BEING
INCREASES. THE SECOND BEING LACK OF BEING ABLE TO MATCH THE INVESTMENT.
THE SECOND BEING LACK OF BEING ABLE TO MATCH THE INVESTMENT. >>AN EXAMPLE OF CURRENT PENSION
ABLE TO MATCH THE INVESTMENT. >>AN EXAMPLE OF CURRENT PENSION BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES?
>>AN EXAMPLE OF CURRENT PENSION BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES? >> WELL, RIGHT NOW, IN THE
BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES? >> WELL, RIGHT NOW, IN THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUND
>> WELL, RIGHT NOW, IN THE POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUND THAT APPLIES TO EVERY CITY OVER
POLICE AND FIRE PENSION FUND THAT APPLIES TO EVERY CITY OVER 5,000 POPULATION, CHICAGO HAS A
THAT APPLIES TO EVERY CITY OVER 5,000 POPULATION, CHICAGO HAS A SEPARATE ONE, BUT HAS THE SAME
5,000 POPULATION, CHICAGO HAS A SEPARATE ONE, BUT HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF BENEFITS.
SEPARATE ONE, BUT HAS THE SAME LEVEL OF BENEFITS. AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE WORKS 30
LEVEL OF BENEFITS. AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE WORKS 30 YEARS AND RETIRES AT LEAST AGE
AN ACTIVE EMPLOYEE WORKS 30 YEARS AND RETIRES AT LEAST AGE 50, AND THEY DRAW A 75% PENSION
YEARS AND RETIRES AT LEAST AGE 50, AND THEY DRAW A 75% PENSION BASED UPON THE LAST DAY'S PAY.
50, AND THEY DRAW A 75% PENSION BASED UPON THE LAST DAY'S PAY. IF THAT EMPLOYEE THEN DIES, THE
BASED UPON THE LAST DAY'S PAY. IF THAT EMPLOYEE THEN DIES, THE SURVIVING SPOUSE CONTINUES TO
IF THAT EMPLOYEE THEN DIES, THE SURVIVING SPOUSE CONTINUES TO DRAW 100% OF THE PENSION FOR
SURVIVING SPOUSE CONTINUES TO DRAW 100% OF THE PENSION FOR THAT SURVIVING SPOUSE'S
DRAW 100% OF THE PENSION FOR THAT SURVIVING SPOUSE'S LIFETIME.
THAT SURVIVING SPOUSE'S LIFETIME. THAT'S A VERY, VERY GENEROUS,
LIFETIME. THAT'S A VERY, VERY GENEROUS, MANY WOULD SAY EXORBITANT
THAT'S A VERY, VERY GENEROUS, MANY WOULD SAY EXORBITANT BENEFIT.
MANY WOULD SAY EXORBITANT BENEFIT. >>LETS ASSUME YOU STARTED AS A
BENEFIT. >>LETS ASSUME YOU STARTED AS A FIRE FIGHTER AT AGE 22.
>>LETS ASSUME YOU STARTED AS A FIRE FIGHTER AT AGE 22. AT AGE 52 YOU COULD RETIRE 75%
FIRE FIGHTER AT AGE 22. AT AGE 52 YOU COULD RETIRE 75% OF THE LAST DAY'S SAL ARE RY?
AT AGE 52 YOU COULD RETIRE 75% OF THE LAST DAY'S SAL ARE RY? >> AND THAT WOULD GROW THREE
OF THE LAST DAY'S SAL ARE RY? >> AND THAT WOULD GROW THREE EVER GROW 3% COMPOUNDED EACH
>> AND THAT WOULD GROW THREE EVER GROW 3% COMPOUNDED EACH YEAR THEREAFTER.
EVER GROW 3% COMPOUNDED EACH YEAR THEREAFTER. >>THAT DOESN'T MATCH VERY WELL
YEAR THEREAFTER. >>THAT DOESN'T MATCH VERY WELL WITH THE REALITY OF THE PRIVATE
>>THAT DOESN'T MATCH VERY WELL WITH THE REALITY OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR TODAY.
WITH THE REALITY OF THE PRIVATE SECTOR TODAY. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING TO
SECTOR TODAY. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING TO YOUR LEGISLATORS?
WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING TO YOUR LEGISLATORS? >> WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO STRESS
YOUR LEGISLATORS? >> WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO STRESS TO OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS THAT,
>> WELL, WE ARE TRYING TO STRESS TO OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS THAT, AS YOU SAID, H, IT IS NOT IN
TO OUR LOCAL LEGISLATORS THAT, AS YOU SAID, H, IT IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PRIVATE SIDE
AS YOU SAID, H, IT IS NOT IN LINE WITH WHAT THE PRIVATE SIDE SEES.
LINE WITH WHAT THE PRIVATE SIDE SEES. THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME
SEES. THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME DECADES AGO WHERE POLICE
THERE WAS A POINT IN TIME DECADES AGO WHERE POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND
DECADES AGO WHERE POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER EMPLOYEES DIDN'T RECEIVE
OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS AND OTHER EMPLOYEES DIDN'T RECEIVE THE WAGES, AND THEY HAD A NICE
OTHER EMPLOYEES DIDN'T RECEIVE THE WAGES, AND THEY HAD A NICE OR DECENT PENSION TO COMPENSATE
THE WAGES, AND THEY HAD A NICE OR DECENT PENSION TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT.
OR DECENT PENSION TO COMPENSATE FOR THAT. OVER MANY YEARS, THOSE WAGES
FOR THAT. OVER MANY YEARS, THOSE WAGES HAVE INCREASED IN MANY AREAS
OVER MANY YEARS, THOSE WAGES HAVE INCREASED IN MANY AREAS SURPASSED WHAT SIMILAR POSITIONS
HAVE INCREASED IN MANY AREAS SURPASSED WHAT SIMILAR POSITIONS ON A PRIVATE SIDE ARE ABLE TO
SURPASSED WHAT SIMILAR POSITIONS ON A PRIVATE SIDE ARE ABLE TO ATTRACT IN ADDITION TO THE
ON A PRIVATE SIDE ARE ABLE TO ATTRACT IN ADDITION TO THE PENSION AS WELL.
ATTRACT IN ADDITION TO THE PENSION AS WELL. AND WE ARE, FRANKLY, AT A POINT
PENSION AS WELL. AND WE ARE, FRANKLY, AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SAY
AND WE ARE, FRANKLY, AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SAY THINGS HAVE EQUALIZED OUT.
NOW WHERE WE ARE TRYING TO SAY THINGS HAVE EQUALIZED OUT. THE TAXPAYER IS FOOTING BILL FOR
THINGS HAVE EQUALIZED OUT. THE TAXPAYER IS FOOTING BILL FOR THOSE THINGS.
THE TAXPAYER IS FOOTING BILL FOR THOSE THINGS. THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT GETTING
THOSE THINGS. THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT GETTING THAT TYPE OF A PENSION ON THEIR
THEY ARE CERTAINLY NOT GETTING THAT TYPE OF A PENSION ON THEIR SIDE, AND WE ARE JUST TRYING --
THAT TYPE OF A PENSION ON THEIR SIDE, AND WE ARE JUST TRYING -- THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
SIDE, AND WE ARE JUST TRYING -- THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS EQUALIZE THAT OUT AND SAYING
THINK WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS EQUALIZE THAT OUT AND SAYING WHAT IS FAIR IS FAIR, AND THIS
IS EQUALIZE THAT OUT AND SAYING WHAT IS FAIR IS FAIR, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN
WHAT IS FAIR IS FAIR, AND THIS IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN GENEROUS.
IS PROBABLY A LOT MORE THAN GENEROUS. >>WE JUST SEE IT BEING MORE AND
GENEROUS. >>WE JUST SEE IT BEING MORE AND MORE OF A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF
>>WE JUST SEE IT BEING MORE AND MORE OF A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF MANAGING A SOUND BUDGET.
MORE OF A PROBLEM IN TERMS OF MANAGING A SOUND BUDGET. I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FACED
MANAGING A SOUND BUDGET. I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FACED WITH THE ISSUE OF WE EITHER ARE
I THINK A LOT OF US ARE FACED WITH THE ISSUE OF WE EITHER ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO
WITH THE ISSUE OF WE EITHER ARE GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO FUND THESE INCREASING BENEFITS
GOING TO HAVE TO RAISE TAXES TO FUND THESE INCREASING BENEFITS OR WE WILL HAVE TO CUT SERVICES
FUND THESE INCREASING BENEFITS OR WE WILL HAVE TO CUT SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE.
OR WE WILL HAVE TO CUT SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE. AS MAYOR ARDIS SAID, THE
IN OUR COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE ELSE. AS MAYOR ARDIS SAID, THE PENSIONS ARE WAY OUT OF WHACK
AS MAYOR ARDIS SAID, THE PENSIONS ARE WAY OUT OF WHACK COMPARED TO PRIVATE SECTOR
PENSIONS ARE WAY OUT OF WHACK COMPARED TO PRIVATE SECTOR PENSIONS MOST PEOPLE ARE
COMPARED TO PRIVATE SECTOR PENSIONS MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING.
PENSIONS MOST PEOPLE ARE GETTING. >>FOR CLARIFICATION, THE CITY'S
GETTING. >>FOR CLARIFICATION, THE CITY'S PAY FIRE AND POLICE PENSIONS
>>FOR CLARIFICATION, THE CITY'S PAY FIRE AND POLICE PENSIONS 100%?
PAY FIRE AND POLICE PENSIONS 100%? >> YES.
100%? >> YES. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHES
>> YES. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHES THE BENEFITS AND THE RULES OF
THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ESTABLISHES THE BENEFITS AND THE RULES OF THE GAME, BUT AS OPPOSED TO
THE BENEFITS AND THE RULES OF THE GAME, BUT AS OPPOSED TO TEACHERS AND STATE EMPLOYEES AND
THE GAME, BUT AS OPPOSED TO TEACHERS AND STATE EMPLOYEES AND STATE UNIVERSITIES, THE CITIES
TEACHERS AND STATE EMPLOYEES AND STATE UNIVERSITIES, THE CITIES MUST FUND 100% OF THE COST.
STATE UNIVERSITIES, THE CITIES MUST FUND 100% OF THE COST. THERE IS EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION,
MUST FUND 100% OF THE COST. THERE IS EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION, BUT EMPLOYERS PUT IN THREE TIMES
THERE IS EMPLOYEE CONTRIBUTION, BUT EMPLOYERS PUT IN THREE TIMES USUALLY OR MORE.
BUT EMPLOYERS PUT IN THREE TIMES USUALLY OR MORE. AND WITH THAT AMOUNT, AS THE
USUALLY OR MORE. AND WITH THAT AMOUNT, AS THE MAYOR SAID, AS CONTRIBUTIONS
AND WITH THAT AMOUNT, AS THE MAYOR SAID, AS CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE GROWN DRAMATICALLY, THE
MAYOR SAID, AS CONTRIBUTIONS HAVE GROWN DRAMATICALLY, THE FUNDED RATIO CONTINUES TO
HAVE GROWN DRAMATICALLY, THE FUNDED RATIO CONTINUES TO DECLINE.
FUNDED RATIO CONTINUES TO DECLINE. SO WE ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS IN
DECLINE. SO WE ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS IN PAYING OFF THOSE TREMENDOUS
SO WE ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS IN PAYING OFF THOSE TREMENDOUS DEBTS.
PAYING OFF THOSE TREMENDOUS DEBTS. >>LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF
DEBTS. >>LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF BILLS DOWN HAD IN SPRINGFIELD
>>LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF BILLS DOWN HAD IN SPRINGFIELD THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH.
BILLS DOWN HAD IN SPRINGFIELD THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH. SENATE BILL 250, RIGHT OF
THAT YOU ARE INVOLVED WITH. SENATE BILL 250, RIGHT OF INTERVENTION IN HEARINGS.
SENATE BILL 250, RIGHT OF INTERVENTION IN HEARINGS. >>OTHER THAN JUST THE NORMAL
INTERVENTION IN HEARINGS. >>OTHER THAN JUST THE NORMAL RETIREMENT PENSION, MORE AND
>>OTHER THAN JUST THE NORMAL RETIREMENT PENSION, MORE AND MORE POLICEMEN AND FIREMEN
RETIREMENT PENSION, MORE AND MORE POLICEMEN AND FIREMEN RETIRE ON DUTY DISABILITY.
MORE POLICEMEN AND FIREMEN RETIRE ON DUTY DISABILITY. NON-DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 50%
RETIRE ON DUTY DISABILITY. NON-DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 50% OF PAY.
NON-DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 50% OF PAY. DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 65% OF
OF PAY. DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 65% OF PAY.
DUTY DISABILITY WOULD BE 65% OF PAY. THE DETERMINATION IS THIS PERSON
PAY. THE DETERMINATION IS THIS PERSON TOTALLY DISABLED AND WAS IT A
THE DETERMINATION IS THIS PERSON TOTALLY DISABLED AND WAS IT A DUTY DISABILITY.
TOTALLY DISABLED AND WAS IT A DUTY DISABILITY. THOSE DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE BY
DUTY DISABILITY. THOSE DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE BY LOCAL PENSION BOARDS.
THOSE DETERMINATIONS ARE MADE BY LOCAL PENSION BOARDS. THOSE LOCAL PENSION BOARDS
LOCAL PENSION BOARDS. THOSE LOCAL PENSION BOARDS CONSIST OF TWO EMPLOYEES ELECTED
THOSE LOCAL PENSION BOARDS CONSIST OF TWO EMPLOYEES ELECTED BY THE EMPLOYEES, ONE ANNUITANT,
CONSIST OF TWO EMPLOYEES ELECTED BY THE EMPLOYEES, ONE ANNUITANT, HIRED THE BY ANNUITANTS, AND,
BY THE EMPLOYEES, ONE ANNUITANT, HIRED THE BY ANNUITANTS, AND, TWO TRUSTEES APPOINTED BY THE
HIRED THE BY ANNUITANTS, AND, TWO TRUSTEES APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR.
TWO TRUSTEES APPOINTED BY THE MAYOR. THOSE FIVE PEOPLE MAKE THOSE
MAYOR. THOSE FIVE PEOPLE MAKE THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE DETERMINATIONS.
THOSE FIVE PEOPLE MAKE THOSE VERY EXPENSIVE DETERMINATIONS. WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED, SOME OF
VERY EXPENSIVE DETERMINATIONS. WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED, SOME OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE MEETINGS THAT
WHAT WE HAVE DISCOVERED, SOME OF THOSE GROUPS HAVE MEETINGS THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT,
THOSE GROUPS HAVE MEETINGS THAT MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT, AS A
MANY PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT, AS A MINIMUM, BEFORE THEY HAVE ONE OF
AND WE HAVE SUGGESTED THAT, AS A MINIMUM, BEFORE THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE OPEN MEETINGS, THEY SHOULD
MINIMUM, BEFORE THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE OPEN MEETINGS, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE A COPY OF WHEN
THOSE OPEN MEETINGS, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST GIVE A COPY OF WHEN THEY ARE MEETING TO THE MAYOR
AT LEAST GIVE A COPY OF WHEN THEY ARE MEETING TO THE MAYOR ORVILLE AG PRESIDENT.
THEY ARE MEETING TO THE MAYOR ORVILLE AG PRESIDENT. >>AND AS I LOOK AT IT, IT IS 3-2
ORVILLE AG PRESIDENT. >>AND AS I LOOK AT IT, IT IS 3-2 IN TERMS OF THE THERE IS TWO
>>AND AS I LOOK AT IT, IT IS 3-2 IN TERMS OF THE THERE IS TWO MAYOR APPOINTEES, AND THEN THERE
IN TERMS OF THE THERE IS TWO MAYOR APPOINTEES, AND THEN THERE ARE THREE APPOINTED BY THE
MAYOR APPOINTEES, AND THEN THERE ARE THREE APPOINTED BY THE PENSION FUND.
ARE THREE APPOINTED BY THE PENSION FUND. SO RIGHT AWAY, ANY DECISIONS
PENSION FUND. SO RIGHT AWAY, ANY DECISIONS MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF THE
SO RIGHT AWAY, ANY DECISIONS MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF THE PENSIONS.
MIGHT BE IN FAVOR OF THE PENSIONS. >>THE FIRE UNIONS, AND, AGAIN,
PENSIONS. >>THE FIRE UNIONS, AND, AGAIN, THE CASE OF FIRE PENSION BOARD,
>>THE FIRE UNIONS, AND, AGAIN, THE CASE OF FIRE PENSION BOARD, HAVE THREE APPOINTEES, AND THE
THE CASE OF FIRE PENSION BOARD, HAVE THREE APPOINTEES, AND THE MAYOR HAS TOMB RIGHT OFF THE
HAVE THREE APPOINTEES, AND THE MAYOR HAS TOMB RIGHT OFF THE GATE, YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE
MAYOR HAS TOMB RIGHT OFF THE GATE, YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS GOING TO
GATE, YOU ARE AT A DISADVANTAGE IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS GOING TO STACK UP.
IN TERMS OF HOW IT IS GOING TO STACK UP. WE FOUND, TOO, THAT WHEN THESE
STACK UP. WE FOUND, TOO, THAT WHEN THESE THINGS GO TO COURT OR
WE FOUND, TOO, THAT WHEN THESE THINGS GO TO COURT OR ARBITRATION, WHAT IS DETERMINED
THINGS GO TO COURT OR ARBITRATION, WHAT IS DETERMINED DUTY DISABILITY IS FAR EXPANDED
ARBITRATION, WHAT IS DETERMINED DUTY DISABILITY IS FAR EXPANDED WHAT ANYBODY THOUGHT IT WOULD
DUTY DISABILITY IS FAR EXPANDED WHAT ANYBODY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE.
WHAT ANYBODY THOUGHT IT WOULD BE. BEING INJURED ON A FIRE CALL AND
BE. BEING INJURED ON A FIRE CALL AND BENDING OVER TO OPEN AN OVEN
BEING INJURED ON A FIRE CALL AND BENDING OVER TO OPEN AN OVEN DOOR WHEN YOU ARE ON A 24-HOUR
BENDING OVER TO OPEN AN OVEN DOOR WHEN YOU ARE ON A 24-HOUR SHIFT, THOSE WITH BEING
DOOR WHEN YOU ARE ON A 24-HOUR SHIFT, THOSE WITH BEING CONSIDERED DUTY DISABILITIES
SHIFT, THOSE WITH BEING CONSIDERED DUTY DISABILITIES BOTH.
CONSIDERED DUTY DISABILITIES BOTH. >> ANOTHER BILL THAT IS IN THE
BOTH. >> ANOTHER BILL THAT IS IN THE HOPPER ARE RIGHT NOW, SENATE
>> ANOTHER BILL THAT IS IN THE HOPPER ARE RIGHT NOW, SENATE BILL 1625 TO CHANGE THE FINAL
HOPPER ARE RIGHT NOW, SENATE BILL 1625 TO CHANGE THE FINAL SALARY THAT THE PENSION IS BASED
BILL 1625 TO CHANGE THE FINAL SALARY THAT THE PENSION IS BASED UPON.
SALARY THAT THE PENSION IS BASED UPON. YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, RIGHT
UPON. YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, RIGHT NOW PENSIONS ARE BASED UPON THE
YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER, RIGHT NOW PENSIONS ARE BASED UPON THE FINAL DAY'S SALARY WHICH WOULD
NOW PENSIONS ARE BASED UPON THE FINAL DAY'S SALARY WHICH WOULD IN MOST CASES BE THE HIGHEST
FINAL DAY'S SALARY WHICH WOULD IN MOST CASES BE THE HIGHEST SALARY OF THE CAREER.
IN MOST CASES BE THE HIGHEST SALARY OF THE CAREER. >>CORRECT.
SALARY OF THE CAREER. >>CORRECT. >>YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT WITH
>>CORRECT. >>YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT WITH THIS BILL?
>>YOU WANT TO CHANGE THAT WITH THIS BILL? >> YES.
THIS BILL? >> YES. WE BELIEVE THAT, AS MOST DEFINED
>> YES. WE BELIEVE THAT, AS MOST DEFINED BENEFIT PLANS IN THE COUNTRY
WE BELIEVE THAT, AS MOST DEFINED BENEFIT PLANS IN THE COUNTRY PROVIDE, PENSIONS SHOULDN'T BE
BENEFIT PLANS IN THE COUNTRY PROVIDE, PENSIONS SHOULDN'T BE BASED UPON RECEIVING A PAY
PROVIDE, PENSIONS SHOULDN'T BE BASED UPON RECEIVING A PAY INCREASE, AND THEN GETTING A
BASED UPON RECEIVING A PAY INCREASE, AND THEN GETTING A PENSION FOR REMAINING LIFE BASED
INCREASE, AND THEN GETTING A PENSION FOR REMAINING LIFE BASED UPON THAT LAST DAY'S PAY.
PENSION FOR REMAINING LIFE BASED UPON THAT LAST DAY'S PAY. ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT
UPON THAT LAST DAY'S PAY. ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT FUND THAT IS ALL THE OTHER CITY
ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL RETIREMENT FUND THAT IS ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, OTHER THAN POLICE AND
FUND THAT IS ALL THE OTHER CITY EMPLOYEES, OTHER THAN POLICE AND FIRE, THEY SMOOTH THE FINAL
EMPLOYEES, OTHER THAN POLICE AND FIRE, THEY SMOOTH THE FINAL PENSION OVER FOUR YEARS, HIGHEST
FIRE, THEY SMOOTH THE FINAL PENSION OVER FOUR YEARS, HIGHEST FOUR OF THE LAST TEN YEARS.
PENSION OVER FOUR YEARS, HIGHEST FOUR OF THE LAST TEN YEARS. WE BELIEVE THAT'S A REASONABLE
FOUR OF THE LAST TEN YEARS. WE BELIEVE THAT'S A REASONABLE PROVISION.
WE BELIEVE THAT'S A REASONABLE PROVISION. IT IS ONE THAT OUGHT TO BE
PROVISION. IT IS ONE THAT OUGHT TO BE APPLIED TO NEW EMPLOYEES.
IT IS ONE THAT OUGHT TO BE APPLIED TO NEW EMPLOYEES. >>LET'S TRY TO LOOK AT THE
APPLIED TO NEW EMPLOYEES. >>LET'S TRY TO LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE.
>>LET'S TRY TO LOOK AT THE BRIGHT SIDE. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME BILLS THAT
BRIGHT SIDE. WE TALKED ABOUT SOME BILLS THAT WILL DO SOME FINE TUNING.
WE TALKED ABOUT SOME BILLS THAT WILL DO SOME FINE TUNING. WHAT ABOUT CHANGING THE 30
WILL DO SOME FINE TUNING. WHAT ABOUT CHANGING THE 30 YEARS, 75%, IS THAT GOING TO BE
WHAT ABOUT CHANGING THE 30 YEARS, 75%, IS THAT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE, AT LEAST MAYBE FOR NEW
YEARS, 75%, IS THAT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE, AT LEAST MAYBE FOR NEW HIRES?
POSSIBLE, AT LEAST MAYBE FOR NEW HIRES? >> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE
HIRES? >> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING TO GO
>> I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING TO GO BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING
THIS DISCUSSION IS GOING TO GO BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY THEY HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING AWAY THEY HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED. WE ARE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT
AWAY THEY HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED. WE ARE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT TIER AND DIFFERENT STYLE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT TIER AND DIFFERENT STYLE. I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR
TIER AND DIFFERENT STYLE. I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THOSE FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND IS WE
I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THOSE FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE CANNOT
THOSE FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND IS WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN THIS TYPE OF
HAVE TALKED ABOUT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN THIS TYPE OF A PAYMENT INTO THAT SYSTEM.
CONTINUE TO SUSTAIN THIS TYPE OF A PAYMENT INTO THAT SYSTEM. IF WE CAN'T GET SOME TYPE OF A
A PAYMENT INTO THAT SYSTEM. IF WE CAN'T GET SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE ON THIS, WE CAN'T
IF WE CAN'T GET SOME TYPE OF A COMPROMISE ON THIS, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE
COMPROMISE ON THIS, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE.
AFFORD TO HAVE THAT MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE. THEIR NUMBERS WILL BE REDUCED
OUT THERE. THEIR NUMBERS WILL BE REDUCED WHICH EQUATES INTO A LESSER
THEIR NUMBERS WILL BE REDUCED WHICH EQUATES INTO A LESSER SERVICE TO THE TAXPAYERS
WHICH EQUATES INTO A LESSER SERVICE TO THE TAXPAYERS TAXPAYERS-CITIZENS.
SERVICE TO THE TAXPAYERS TAXPAYERS-CITIZENS. WE HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE
TAXPAYERS-CITIZENS. WE HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO
WE HAVE TO GET TO A POINT WHERE WE SAY IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BUDGE ON THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO
WE SAY IF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO BUDGE ON THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE STATE
BUDGE ON THIS, WE WILL HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO DO, BUT WE WILL
CONTINUE TO DO WHAT THE STATE REQUIRES US TO DO, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT WITH LESS PEOPLE.
REQUIRES US TO DO, BUT WE WILL HAVE TO DO IT WITH LESS PEOPLE. HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT GETS THEM
HAVE TO DO IT WITH LESS PEOPLE. HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT GETS THEM TO THE TABLE.
HOPEFULLY THAT'S WHAT GETS THEM TO THE TABLE. IT IS NOT GOING -- WE CAN'T TAKE
TO THE TABLE. IT IS NOT GOING -- WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY WHAT ALREADY HAS BEEN GIVEN
IT IS NOT GOING -- WE CAN'T TAKE AWAY WHAT ALREADY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THEM.
AWAY WHAT ALREADY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THEM. BUT GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO
TO THEM. BUT GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE CHANGES.
BUT GOING FORWARD, WE HAVE TO JUST MAKE CHANGES. >>MUNICIPAL LEAGUE'S POSITION ON
JUST MAKE CHANGES. >>MUNICIPAL LEAGUE'S POSITION ON THAT THIS.
>>MUNICIPAL LEAGUE'S POSITION ON THAT THIS. >>YES, THE CONSTITUTION HAS A
THAT THIS. >>YES, THE CONSTITUTION HAS A PROVISION THAT PENSION BENEFITS
>>YES, THE CONSTITUTION HAS A PROVISION THAT PENSION BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CANNOT BE
PROVISION THAT PENSION BENEFITS FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CANNOT BE REDUCED.
FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES CANNOT BE REDUCED. SO WE ARE --
REDUCED. SO WE ARE -- >>FOR CURRENT?
SO WE ARE -- >>FOR CURRENT? >> FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES.
>>FOR CURRENT? >> FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING
>> FOR CURRENT EMPLOYEES. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE SYSTEM IN WAYS THAT APPLY TO
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE SYSTEM IN WAYS THAT APPLY TO JUST NEWLY HIRED EMPLOYEES AFTER
THE SYSTEM IN WAYS THAT APPLY TO JUST NEWLY HIRED EMPLOYEES AFTER THE BILL BECOMES LAW.
JUST NEWLY HIRED EMPLOYEES AFTER THE BILL BECOMES LAW. >> ARE YOU SEEING THIS IN THE
THE BILL BECOMES LAW. >> ARE YOU SEEING THIS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
>> ARE YOU SEEING THIS IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. I MEAN THERE ARE SOME
PRIVATE SECTOR. I MEAN THERE ARE SOME NEGOTIATIONS ON TIERED PENSIONS
I MEAN THERE ARE SOME NEGOTIATIONS ON TIERED PENSIONS AND BENEFITS AND SALARIES THAT
NEGOTIATIONS ON TIERED PENSIONS AND BENEFITS AND SALARIES THAT HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED IN THE
AND BENEFITS AND SALARIES THAT HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR.
HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATED IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR. THEY SEEM TO WORK FINE.
PRIVATE SECTOR. THEY SEEM TO WORK FINE. AND THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T
THEY SEEM TO WORK FINE. AND THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T TAKE THAT INTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR
AND THERE IS NO REASON WE CAN'T TAKE THAT INTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR AS WELL.
TAKE THAT INTO THE PUBLIC SECTOR AS WELL. LET'S TURN TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC,
AS WELL. LET'S TURN TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC, RESERVE FUNDS.
LET'S TURN TO A DIFFERENT TOPIC, RESERVE FUNDS. ALL CITIES CARRY RESERVES.
RESERVE FUNDS. ALL CITIES CARRY RESERVES. IT USUALLY REFERRED TO AS THE
ALL CITIES CARRY RESERVES. IT USUALLY REFERRED TO AS THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE.
IT USUALLY REFERRED TO AS THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE. I BELIEVE IT IS THE MUNICIPAL
GENERAL FUND RESERVE. I BELIEVE IT IS THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE THAT HAS THE GUIDELINE,
I BELIEVE IT IS THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE THAT HAS THE GUIDELINE, BUT NONETHELESS, IT IS SOMEWHERE
LEAGUE THAT HAS THE GUIDELINE, BUT NONETHELESS, IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 33% OF THE ANNUAL
BUT NONETHELESS, IT IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 25 AND 33% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET SHOULD BE IN THE GENERAL
BETWEEN 25 AND 33% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET SHOULD BE IN THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE.
BUDGET SHOULD BE IN THE GENERAL FUND RESERVE. IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES,
FUND RESERVE. IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES, WOULDN'T THAT BE A SOURCE FOR A
IN THESE HARD ECONOMIC TIMES, WOULDN'T THAT BE A SOURCE FOR A CITY TO TURN TO TO SAY GOINGS
WOULDN'T THAT BE A SOURCE FOR A CITY TO TURN TO TO SAY GOINGS "GEE, WE ARE SHORT IN YOUR CASE
CITY TO TURN TO TO SAY GOINGS "GEE, WE ARE SHORT IN YOUR CASE 14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS,
"GEE, WE ARE SHORT IN YOUR CASE 14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT OUT
14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS, WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT OUT OF THAT FUND, THAT RESERVE."
WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT OUT OF THAT FUND, THAT RESERVE." IS THAT GOOD MANAGEMENT?
OF THAT FUND, THAT RESERVE." IS THAT GOOD MANAGEMENT? >> AGAIN, H, WE KIND OF TALKED
IS THAT GOOD MANAGEMENT? >> AGAIN, H, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE STARTED THE
>> AGAIN, H, WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE STARTED THE SHOW, I THINK DIFFERENT CITIES
ABOUT THIS BEFORE WE STARTED THE SHOW, I THINK DIFFERENT CITIES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES HOW
SHOW, I THINK DIFFERENT CITIES WILL HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES HOW THEY INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT
WILL HAVE DIFFERENT POLICIES HOW THEY INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT RESERVE BALANCE.
THEY INTEND TO UTILIZE THAT RESERVE BALANCE. WE IN BUDGETING THAT 14 AND A
RESERVE BALANCE. WE IN BUDGETING THAT 14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT FOR
WE IN BUDGETING THAT 14 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WANTED TO
HALF MILLION DOLLARS DEFICIT FOR THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WANTED TO LOOK UNDER EVERY ROCK AND BE AS
THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WANTED TO LOOK UNDER EVERY ROCK AND BE AS SOUND AS WE COULD MAKING
LOOK UNDER EVERY ROCK AND BE AS SOUND AS WE COULD MAKING DECISIONS WE COULD, THE BEST TO
SOUND AS WE COULD MAKING DECISIONS WE COULD, THE BEST TO CLOSE THAT GAP WITHOUT GOING
DECISIONS WE COULD, THE BEST TO CLOSE THAT GAP WITHOUT GOING INTO DEBT.
CLOSE THAT GAP WITHOUT GOING INTO DEBT. OUR COUNCIL WASN'T EXTREMELY
INTO DEBT. OUR COUNCIL WASN'T EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE REALLY
OUR COUNCIL WASN'T EXTREMELY COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE REALLY HIT THE ~L BOTTOM YET, AND THERE
COMFORTABLE THAT WE HAVE REALLY HIT THE ~L BOTTOM YET, AND THERE WASN'T SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC WE
HIT THE ~L BOTTOM YET, AND THERE WASN'T SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC WE NEEDED TO DO.
WASN'T SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC WE NEEDED TO DO. IF ALL OPTIONS FAILED OR NOTHING
NEEDED TO DO. IF ALL OPTIONS FAILED OR NOTHING ELSE -- NO WHERE ELSE YOU CAN GO
IF ALL OPTIONS FAILED OR NOTHING ELSE -- NO WHERE ELSE YOU CAN GO TO CLOSE THAT GAP, IT IS THERE
ELSE -- NO WHERE ELSE YOU CAN GO TO CLOSE THAT GAP, IT IS THERE TO USE.
TO CLOSE THAT GAP, IT IS THERE TO USE. THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT OUR
TO USE. THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT OUR RESERVE AS IF WE HAVE OUR
THIS COUNCIL IS LOOKING AT OUR RESERVE AS IF WE HAVE OUR BALANCE, OUR BUDGET BALANCED, WE
RESERVE AS IF WE HAVE OUR BALANCE, OUR BUDGET BALANCED, WE GO INTO THIS YEAR AND SOMETHING
BALANCE, OUR BUDGET BALANCED, WE GO INTO THIS YEAR AND SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR THAT WAS
GO INTO THIS YEAR AND SOMETHING HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR THAT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED OR SALES
HAPPENS DURING THE YEAR THAT WAS TOTALLY UNEXPECTED OR SALES TAXES TAKE A STRONGER DIVE THAN
TOTALLY UNEXPECTED OR SALES TAXES TAKE A STRONGER DIVE THAN WE ANTICIPATED, WE NEED TO CLOSE
TAXES TAKE A STRONGER DIVE THAN WE ANTICIPATED, WE NEED TO CLOSE A MILLION OR TWO, THAT IS
WE ANTICIPATED, WE NEED TO CLOSE A MILLION OR TWO, THAT IS PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO
A MILLION OR TWO, THAT IS PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO GO FIND THAT.
PROBABLY AN APPROPRIATE PLACE TO GO FIND THAT. WHAT WE WERE VERY RELUCTANT TO
GO FIND THAT. WHAT WE WERE VERY RELUCTANT TO GET INTO THAT WITH THE OTHER
WHAT WE WERE VERY RELUCTANT TO GET INTO THAT WITH THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE DECIDED TO GO TO
GET INTO THAT WITH THE OTHER AREAS THAT WE DECIDED TO GO TO CLOSE IT.
AREAS THAT WE DECIDED TO GO TO CLOSE IT. >>WHERE DOES THE CITY -- TOWN OF
CLOSE IT. >>WHERE DOES THE CITY -- TOWN OF NORMAL, I SHOULD SAY, WHERE DO
>>WHERE DOES THE CITY -- TOWN OF NORMAL, I SHOULD SAY, WHERE DO YOU SIT WITH YOUR RESERVE?
NORMAL, I SHOULD SAY, WHERE DO YOU SIT WITH YOUR RESERVE? >> WE ARE SITTING RIGHT AT TEN
YOU SIT WITH YOUR RESERVE? >> WE ARE SITTING RIGHT AT TEN PERCENT RIGHT NOW.
>> WE ARE SITTING RIGHT AT TEN PERCENT RIGHT NOW. WE WERE HIGHER BEFORE.
PERCENT RIGHT NOW. WE WERE HIGHER BEFORE. WE REACTED EARLIER ON SOME OF
WE WERE HIGHER BEFORE. WE REACTED EARLIER ON SOME OF THIS.
WE REACTED EARLIER ON SOME OF THIS. WE NEVER GOT INTO THE ISSUE THAT
THIS. WE NEVER GOT INTO THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE FACING DEFICITS, BUT WE
WE NEVER GOT INTO THE ISSUE THAT WE ARE FACING DEFICITS, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT A RESERVE FUND
WE ARE FACING DEFICITS, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT A RESERVE FUND TREND LINE GOING NEGATIVE IN
WERE LOOKING AT A RESERVE FUND TREND LINE GOING NEGATIVE IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF.
TREND LINE GOING NEGATIVE IN ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. SO WE HAD TO TAKE SOME STEPS
ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF. SO WE HAD TO TAKE SOME STEPS EARLIER ON THAT.
SO WE HAD TO TAKE SOME STEPS EARLIER ON THAT. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY
EARLIER ON THAT. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY FUND RESERVE FOR THE REASONS
WE WANT TO MAINTAIN A HEALTHY FUND RESERVE FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED FOR
FUND RESERVE FOR THE REASONS THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES B YOU WE HAVE
THAT WERE JUST MENTIONED FOR UNFORESEEN ISSUES B YOU WE HAVE GONE INTO OUR RESERVES A LITTLE
UNFORESEEN ISSUES B YOU WE HAVE GONE INTO OUR RESERVES A LITTLE BIT TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET.
GONE INTO OUR RESERVES A LITTLE BIT TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET. >> MUNICIPAL LEAGUE GUIDELINES,
BIT TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET. >> MUNICIPAL LEAGUE GUIDELINES, WAS I CORRECT ON --
>> MUNICIPAL LEAGUE GUIDELINES, WAS I CORRECT ON -- >>THEY AREN'T OUR GUIDELINES,
WAS I CORRECT ON -- >>THEY AREN'T OUR GUIDELINES, BUT THEY VARY ACROSS LOCALLY
>>THEY AREN'T OUR GUIDELINES, BUT THEY VARY ACROSS LOCALLY DETERMINED DECISIONS BY CITY
BUT THEY VARY ACROSS LOCALLY DETERMINED DECISIONS BY CITY COUNCILS.
DETERMINED DECISIONS BY CITY COUNCILS. IT IS CLEAR SINCE REVENUE COMES
COUNCILS. IT IS CLEAR SINCE REVENUE COMES INN LUMPY WAYS THAT YOU ALWAYS
IT IS CLEAR SINCE REVENUE COMES INN LUMPY WAYS THAT YOU ALWAYS NEED, FIRST OF ALL, MONEY FOR
INN LUMPY WAYS THAT YOU ALWAYS NEED, FIRST OF ALL, MONEY FOR CASH FLOW.
NEED, FIRST OF ALL, MONEY FOR CASH FLOW. SECONDLY, UNEXPECTED
CASH FLOW. SECONDLY, UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES AND THE
SECONDLY, UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES AND THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT THOSE
CONSEQUENCES AND THE DETERMINATION OF WHAT THOSE UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES MIGHT
DETERMINATION OF WHAT THOSE UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES MIGHT BE.
UNEXPECTED CONSEQUENCES MIGHT BE. AS WE TALKED EARLIER, H, WHEN
BE. AS WE TALKED EARLIER, H, WHEN INCOME TAX REVENUES, INSTEAD OF
AS WE TALKED EARLIER, H, WHEN INCOME TAX REVENUES, INSTEAD OF JUST MERELY GOING FLAT IN A
INCOME TAX REVENUES, INSTEAD OF JUST MERELY GOING FLAT IN A RECESSION OR MINUS ONE PERCENT,
JUST MERELY GOING FLAT IN A RECESSION OR MINUS ONE PERCENT, FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF
RECESSION OR MINUS ONE PERCENT, FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, DECLINED YEAR FOR
FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THIS YEAR, DECLINED YEAR FOR YEAR BY OVER 20%.
THIS YEAR, DECLINED YEAR FOR YEAR BY OVER 20%. NOBODY COULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT.
YEAR BY OVER 20%. NOBODY COULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT. SO HOW DO YOU AVOID ISSUING
NOBODY COULD HAVE EXPECTED THAT. SO HOW DO YOU AVOID ISSUING DEBT, TAX ANTICIPATION WARRANTS
SO HOW DO YOU AVOID ISSUING DEBT, TAX ANTICIPATION WARRANTS OR NOTES IS TO USE SOME
DEBT, TAX ANTICIPATION WARRANTS OR NOTES IS TO USE SOME AVAILABLE CASH FLOW TO NOT HAVE
OR NOTES IS TO USE SOME AVAILABLE CASH FLOW TO NOT HAVE TO BORROW MONEY.
AVAILABLE CASH FLOW TO NOT HAVE TO BORROW MONEY. >> IT COULD AFFECT YOUR BOND
TO BORROW MONEY. >> IT COULD AFFECT YOUR BOND RATING?
>> IT COULD AFFECT YOUR BOND RATING? >> ABSOLUTELY, IT COULD, IF YOUR
RATING? >> ABSOLUTELY, IT COULD, IF YOUR RESERVE LEVELS GET TOO LOW, THE
>> ABSOLUTELY, IT COULD, IF YOUR RESERVE LEVELS GET TOO LOW, THE BONDING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO
RESERVE LEVELS GET TOO LOW, THE BONDING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO SEE THAT AS A FISCAL ISSUE, NOT
BONDING AGENCIES ARE GOING TO SEE THAT AS A FISCAL ISSUE, NOT MISMANAGEMENT, BUT POOR
SEE THAT AS A FISCAL ISSUE, NOT MISMANAGEMENT, BUT POOR MANAGEMENT.
MISMANAGEMENT, BUT POOR MANAGEMENT. IT COULD LOWER YOUR BOND
MANAGEMENT. IT COULD LOWER YOUR BOND RATINGS.
IT COULD LOWER YOUR BOND RATINGS. >> AND RAISE THE COST OF
RATINGS. >> AND RAISE THE COST OF BORROWING MONEY?
>> AND RAISE THE COST OF BORROWING MONEY? >> ABSOLUTELY.
BORROWING MONEY? >> ABSOLUTELY. >>LET'S TURN TO A TOPIC THAT YOU
>> ABSOLUTELY. >>LET'S TURN TO A TOPIC THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT IN
>>LET'S TURN TO A TOPIC THAT YOU HAVE BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, AND
HAVE BROUGHT TO THE FOREFRONT IN THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, AND THAT'S CONCEAL CARRY.
THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SO, AND THAT'S CONCEAL CARRY. 46 -- 48 OR OF THE 50 STATES
THAT'S CONCEAL CARRY. 46 -- 48 OR OF THE 50 STATES HAVE CONCEAL CARRY, WISCONSIN
46 -- 48 OR OF THE 50 STATES HAVE CONCEAL CARRY, WISCONSIN AND ILLINOIS BEING THE TWO
HAVE CONCEAL CARRY, WISCONSIN AND ILLINOIS BEING THE TWO STATES.
AND ILLINOIS BEING THE TWO STATES. YOU HAVE SUGGESTED PEORIA BE A
STATES. YOU HAVE SUGGESTED PEORIA BE A TEST CITY FOR CONCEAL CARRY.
YOU HAVE SUGGESTED PEORIA BE A TEST CITY FOR CONCEAL CARRY. WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT?
TEST CITY FOR CONCEAL CARRY. WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? >> SENATOR RICE ENGER IS
WHERE ARE WE WITH THAT? >> SENATOR RICE ENGER IS PREPARED TO INTRODUCE THAT
>> SENATOR RICE ENGER IS PREPARED TO INTRODUCE THAT SENATE BILL FOR TO USE PEORIA AS
PREPARED TO INTRODUCE THAT SENATE BILL FOR TO USE PEORIA AS A PILOT TEST AREA.
SENATE BILL FOR TO USE PEORIA AS A PILOT TEST AREA. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE REAL
A PILOT TEST AREA. I DON'T THINK WE HAVE REAL STRONG FEELINGS THAT JUST
I DON'T THINK WE HAVE REAL STRONG FEELINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF
STRONG FEELINGS THAT JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF ALLOWING ONE CITY OR ONE COUNTY
BECAUSE OF THE LOGISTICS OF ALLOWING ONE CITY OR ONE COUNTY TO DO THAT, MAYBE POSSIBLE WHAT
ALLOWING ONE CITY OR ONE COUNTY TO DO THAT, MAYBE POSSIBLE WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS
TO DO THAT, MAYBE POSSIBLE WHAT WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS DISCUSSION GOING IN
WE ARE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS GET THIS DISCUSSION GOING IN SPRINGFIELD.
GET THIS DISCUSSION GOING IN SPRINGFIELD. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE.
SPRINGFIELD. THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE HAVE RECEIVED VERY STRONG
THERE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE. WE HAVE RECEIVED VERY STRONG SUPPORT FROM CENTRAL ILLINOIS
WE HAVE RECEIVED VERY STRONG SUPPORT FROM CENTRAL ILLINOIS FROM I HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM
SUPPORT FROM CENTRAL ILLINOIS FROM I HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM MAYORS ALL OVER THE STATE THAT
FROM I HAVE GOTTEN CALLS FROM MAYORS ALL OVER THE STATE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY
MAYORS ALL OVER THE STATE THAT WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE INCLUDED IN
WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW THEY MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS.
MIGHT BE ABLE TO BE INCLUDED IN THIS. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT
THIS. I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT ILLINOIS HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE THAT ILLINOIS HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WHY IS IT THIS CAN WORK IN OTHER
ILLINOIS HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. WHY IS IT THIS CAN WORK IN OTHER STATES AND CAN'T WORK HERE?
WHY IS IT THIS CAN WORK IN OTHER STATES AND CAN'T WORK HERE? >> RISINGER BILL IS 3292 IN THE
STATES AND CAN'T WORK HERE? >> RISINGER BILL IS 3292 IN THE SENATE.
>> RISINGER BILL IS 3292 IN THE SENATE. MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS A POSITION
SENATE. MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS A POSITION ON CONCEAL CARRY.
MUNICIPAL LEAGUE HAS A POSITION ON CONCEAL CARRY. >>NOT SPECIFICALLY ON CONCEAL
ON CONCEAL CARRY. >>NOT SPECIFICALLY ON CONCEAL CARRY.
>>NOT SPECIFICALLY ON CONCEAL CARRY. AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT BELIEVES
CARRY. AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT BELIEVES IN LOCAL CONTROL OF ISSUES, WE
AS AN ORGANIZATION THAT BELIEVES IN LOCAL CONTROL OF ISSUES, WE BELIEVE THAT MUNICIPALITIES
IN LOCAL CONTROL OF ISSUES, WE BELIEVE THAT MUNICIPALITIES THROUGH LOCALLY ELECTED PEOPLE
BELIEVE THAT MUNICIPALITIES THROUGH LOCALLY ELECTED PEOPLE OUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO
THROUGH LOCALLY ELECTED PEOPLE OUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS ORDINANCES IN THIS AREA.
OUGHT TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PASS ORDINANCES IN THIS AREA. >>MAYOR KOOS, YOU ARE A MEMBER
PASS ORDINANCES IN THIS AREA. >>MAYOR KOOS, YOU ARE A MEMBER OF MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS.
>>MAYOR KOOS, YOU ARE A MEMBER OF MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS. >>UH-HUH.
OF MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS. >>UH-HUH. >>PERSONALLY, HOW DO YOU FEEL
>>UH-HUH. >>PERSONALLY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CONCEAL CARRY?
>>PERSONALLY, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT CONCEAL CARRY? >> YOU KNOW, H, I REALLY DON'T
ABOUT CONCEAL CARRY? >> YOU KNOW, H, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A FEELING ONE WAY OR
>> YOU KNOW, H, I REALLY DON'T HAVE A FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON CONCEAL CARRY.
HAVE A FEELING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER ON CONCEAL CARRY. I AM A GUN OWNER, AND I BELIEVE
ANOTHER ON CONCEAL CARRY. I AM A GUN OWNER, AND I BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE USE AND OWNERSHIP
I AM A GUN OWNER, AND I BELIEVE IN RESPONSIBLE USE AND OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS AS DOES MAYORS
IN RESPONSIBLE USE AND OWNERSHIP OF FIREARMS AS DOES MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS.
OF FIREARMS AS DOES MAYORS AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS. I HAVE BEEN LOBBIED ON CONCEAL
AGAINST ILLEGAL GUNS. I HAVE BEEN LOBBIED ON CONCEAL ANCORA I.
I HAVE BEEN LOBBIED ON CONCEAL ANCORA I. THERE IS PEOPLE THAT HAVE
ANCORA I. THERE IS PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME AND WANT MY SUPPORT
THERE IS PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONTACTED ME AND WANT MY SUPPORT OR THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT.
CONTACTED ME AND WANT MY SUPPORT OR THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT. BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT
OR THE COMMUNITY'S SUPPORT. BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION INTERNALLY OR WITH
BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT DISCUSSION INTERNALLY OR WITH THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW
DISCUSSION INTERNALLY OR WITH THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT.
THE COUNCIL IN TERMS OF HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT. >> I WANT TO BRIEFLY IS DISCUSS
PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT. >> I WANT TO BRIEFLY IS DISCUSS WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS FOIA,
>> I WANT TO BRIEFLY IS DISCUSS WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS FOIA, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT.
WHAT IS COMMONLY KNOWN AS FOIA, FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. MANY THINK FOIA IS A BILL PEOPLE
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. MANY THINK FOIA IS A BILL PEOPLE SUPPORT, IT IS FOR THE PUBLIC,
MANY THINK FOIA IS A BILL PEOPLE SUPPORT, IT IS FOR THE PUBLIC, EVERYBODY.
SUPPORT, IT IS FOR THE PUBLIC, EVERYBODY. ANYBODY CAN USE FREEDOM OF
EVERYBODY. ANYBODY CAN USE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO ACCESS THOSE
ANYBODY CAN USE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION TO ACCESS THOSE DOCUMENTS FROM A MUNICIPALITY
INFORMATION TO ACCESS THOSE DOCUMENTS FROM A MUNICIPALITY THAT ARE DESIGNATEED AS BEING
DOCUMENTS FROM A MUNICIPALITY THAT ARE DESIGNATEED AS BEING AVAILABLE.
THAT ARE DESIGNATEED AS BEING AVAILABLE. AND, YET, THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL
AVAILABLE. AND, YET, THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, THE RECENT REWRITE OF
AND, YET, THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, THE RECENT REWRITE OF FOIA WHICH WAS SIGNED BY THE
LEAGUE, THE RECENT REWRITE OF FOIA WHICH WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS
FOIA WHICH WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN CERTAIN AREAS OVER THAT.
GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS IN CERTAIN AREAS OVER THAT. >>YES, H.
IN CERTAIN AREAS OVER THAT. >>YES, H. WE WROTE A LENGTHY LETTER TO THE
>>YES, H. WE WROTE A LENGTHY LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR WHEN THE BILL WAS ON
WE WROTE A LENGTHY LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR WHEN THE BILL WAS ON HIS DESK SAYING THE BILL THAT
GOVERNOR WHEN THE BILL WAS ON HIS DESK SAYING THE BILL THAT HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED FOR A LONG
HIS DESK SAYING THE BILL THAT HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT SORT OF BEHIND CLOSED
HAD BEEN NEGOTIATED FOR A LONG TIME, BUT SORT OF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS: WHETHER IT FINALLY
TIME, BUT SORT OF BEHIND CLOSED DOORS: WHETHER IT FINALLY CAME TIME TO VOTE, IT HAD
DOORS: WHETHER IT FINALLY CAME TIME TO VOTE, IT HAD NUMEROUS PROVISIONS WE SAW WOULD
CAME TIME TO VOTE, IT HAD NUMEROUS PROVISIONS WE SAW WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC.
NUMEROUS PROVISIONS WE SAW WOULD BE PROBLEMATIC. THE NEW LAW IS VERY LEGALISTIC
BE PROBLEMATIC. THE NEW LAW IS VERY LEGALISTIC AND PROCEDURAL.
THE NEW LAW IS VERY LEGALISTIC AND PROCEDURAL. IT IS NOT EASY BY ANY MEANS TO
AND PROCEDURAL. IT IS NOT EASY BY ANY MEANS TO ENFORCE.
IT IS NOT EASY BY ANY MEANS TO ENFORCE. IN THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THIS,
ENFORCE. IN THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THIS, GOVERNOR QUINN SAID "I AM
IN THE GOVERNOR SIGNING THIS, GOVERNOR QUINN SAID "I AM SIGNING THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED
GOVERNOR QUINN SAID "I AM SIGNING THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME FIXES."
SIGNING THIS, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO MAKE SOME FIXES." WE HAVE TAKEN IT ONTO ASSEMBLE A
TO MAKE SOME FIXES." WE HAVE TAKEN IT ONTO ASSEMBLE A GROUP OF OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS
WE HAVE TAKEN IT ONTO ASSEMBLE A GROUP OF OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO PARK
GROUP OF OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO PARK DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES TO SAY,
FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS, TO PARK DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES TO SAY, LESS' SEE, LET'S BE PROACTIVE
DISTRICTS AND COUNTIES TO SAY, LESS' SEE, LET'S BE PROACTIVE AND SUGGEST SOME COMMON SENSE
LESS' SEE, LET'S BE PROACTIVE AND SUGGEST SOME COMMON SENSE REFORMS.
AND SUGGEST SOME COMMON SENSE REFORMS. WE WILL BE DOING THAT IN THE
REFORMS. WE WILL BE DOING THAT IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
WE WILL BE DOING THAT IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. >>IN TERMS OF COMMON SENSE
GENERAL ASSEMBLY. >>IN TERMS OF COMMON SENSE REFORMS, THE MOST COMMON CHANGES
>>IN TERMS OF COMMON SENSE REFORMS, THE MOST COMMON CHANGES WERE REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME
REFORMS, THE MOST COMMON CHANGES WERE REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME FROM SEVEN TO FIVE DAYS, THE
WERE REDUCE THE RESPONSE TIME FROM SEVEN TO FIVE DAYS, THE FIRST 50 PAGES OF BLACK AND
FROM SEVEN TO FIVE DAYS, THE FIRST 50 PAGES OF BLACK AND WHITE COPIES ARE FREE.
FIRST 50 PAGES OF BLACK AND WHITE COPIES ARE FREE. THEN UP TO 15 CENTS AFTER THAT.
WHITE COPIES ARE FREE. THEN UP TO 15 CENTS AFTER THAT. THOSE SEEM UNREASONABLABLE FROM
THEN UP TO 15 CENTS AFTER THAT. THOSE SEEM UNREASONABLABLE FROM MY PER SPEC TIVITY.
THOSE SEEM UNREASONABLABLE FROM MY PER SPEC TIVITY. ARE THOSE WHAT YOU ARE CONCERNED
MY PER SPEC TIVITY. ARE THOSE WHAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT?
ARE THOSE WHAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT? >> I'D SAY PICK AND CHOOSE SOME
ABOUT? >> I'D SAY PICK AND CHOOSE SOME OF THE ITEMS.
>> I'D SAY PICK AND CHOOSE SOME OF THE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM WOULD BE COMMERCIAL
OF THE ITEMS. ONE OF THEM WOULD BE COMMERCIAL REQUESTS.
ONE OF THEM WOULD BE COMMERCIAL REQUESTS. IN THE PAST, EVERY FREEDOM OF
REQUESTS. IN THE PAST, EVERY FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ALWAYS SAID WHEN
IN THE PAST, EVERY FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ALWAYS SAID WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE DOOR AND
INFORMATION ACT ALWAYS SAID WHEN SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE DOOR AND WANTS INFORMATION FOR THEIR OWN
SOMEBODY WALKS IN THE DOOR AND WANTS INFORMATION FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE OR THE NEWS MEDIA
WANTS INFORMATION FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE OR THE NEWS MEDIA WANTS IT, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT
PERSONAL USE OR THE NEWS MEDIA WANTS IT, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE COMES
WANTS IT, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE COMES IN AND SAYS "GIVE ME THIS
IF A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE COMES IN AND SAYS "GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION SO I CAN GO MAKE
IN AND SAYS "GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION SO I CAN GO MAKE CALLS TO PEOPLE AT HOME OR SEND
INFORMATION SO I CAN GO MAKE CALLS TO PEOPLE AT HOME OR SEND STUFF IN THE MAIL," THEY OUGHT
CALLS TO PEOPLE AT HOME OR SEND STUFF IN THE MAIL," THEY OUGHT TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY.
STUFF IN THE MAIL," THEY OUGHT TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. CURRENT ACT DOESN'T TREAT THEM
TO BE TREATED DIFFERENTLY. CURRENT ACT DOESN'T TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY AT ALL.
CURRENT ACT DOESN'T TREAT THEM DIFFERENTLY AT ALL. WHAT WILL HAPPEN, MORE JUNK
DIFFERENTLY AT ALL. WHAT WILL HAPPEN, MORE JUNK MAILS, MORE PHONE CALLS AT NIGHT
WHAT WILL HAPPEN, MORE JUNK MAILS, MORE PHONE CALLS AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO ACCESS
MAILS, MORE PHONE CALLS AT NIGHT BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO ACCESS NAMES AND ADDRESS.
BECAUSE IT IS EASIER TO ACCESS NAMES AND ADDRESS. ANY INFORMATION LOCAL GOVERNMENT
NAMES AND ADDRESS. ANY INFORMATION LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS.
ANY INFORMATION LOCAL GOVERNMENT OR STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS. SO WHEN YOU GET A DOCUMENT ON
OR STATE OF ILLINOIS HAS. SO WHEN YOU GET A DOCUMENT ON YOUR BIRTH DATE SAYING YOU ARE
SO WHEN YOU GET A DOCUMENT ON YOUR BIRTH DATE SAYING YOU ARE NOW 62 YEARS OLD, YOU OUGHT TO
YOUR BIRTH DATE SAYING YOU ARE NOW 62 YEARS OLD, YOU OUGHT TO BUY THIS LIFE INSURANCE.
NOW 62 YEARS OLD, YOU OUGHT TO BUY THIS LIFE INSURANCE. THAT'S COMING FROM COMMERCIAL
BUY THIS LIFE INSURANCE. THAT'S COMING FROM COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES ASKING FOR THAT
THAT'S COMING FROM COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION FROM THE SECRETARY
ENTERPRISES ASKING FOR THAT INFORMATION FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE WHO HAS IT IN YOUR
INFORMATION FROM THE SECRETARY OF STATE WHO HAS IT IN YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE INFORMATION.
OF STATE WHO HAS IT IN YOUR DRIVERS LICENSE INFORMATION. NOT EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY
DRIVERS LICENSE INFORMATION. NOT EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY ACCESSES THAT.
NOT EVERY INSURANCE COMPANY ACCESSES THAT. LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO
ACCESSES THAT. LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT.
LAST YEAR BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT
PAY FOR IT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT ANY MORE.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR IT ANY MORE. THEY ACCESS IT UNDER FOIA.
ANY MORE. THEY ACCESS IT UNDER FOIA. WE THINK THERE ARE SOME CHANGES
THEY ACCESS IT UNDER FOIA. WE THINK THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE.
WE THINK THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT COULD BE MADE. >>MAYOR ARDIS, YOU HAVE
THAT COULD BE MADE. >>MAYOR ARDIS, YOU HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE
>>MAYOR ARDIS, YOU HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST OF COMPLYING WITH THE FOIA
EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE COST OF COMPLYING WITH THE FOIA ACT.
COST OF COMPLYING WITH THE FOIA ACT. YOU ACTUALLY WENT SO FAR AS TO
ACT. YOU ACTUALLY WENT SO FAR AS TO SAY WE MIGHT HAVE TO -- AND I
YOU ACTUALLY WENT SO FAR AS TO SAY WE MIGHT HAVE TO -- AND I KNOW THIS IS PUT ON HOLD, BUT
SAY WE MIGHT HAVE TO -- AND I KNOW THIS IS PUT ON HOLD, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT HIRING
KNOW THIS IS PUT ON HOLD, BUT YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT HIRING AN EMPLOYEE TO HANDLE FOIA
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LOOK AT HIRING AN EMPLOYEE TO HANDLE FOIA REQUESTS.
AN EMPLOYEE TO HANDLE FOIA REQUESTS. >>AND I STILL THINK WE WILL
REQUESTS. >>AND I STILL THINK WE WILL WHICH IS TOUGH IN LIGHT OF THE
>>AND I STILL THINK WE WILL WHICH IS TOUGH IN LIGHT OF THE FACT WE HAD TO LAYOFF POLICE
WHICH IS TOUGH IN LIGHT OF THE FACT WE HAD TO LAYOFF POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS BUDGET, BUT WE
FACT WE HAD TO LAYOFF POLICE OFFICERS IN THIS BUDGET, BUT WE HAD -- LARRY DOES OUTSTANDING
OFFICERS IN THIS BUDGET, BUT WE HAD -- LARRY DOES OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
HAD -- LARRY DOES OUTSTANDING JOB ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE HAD A MEETING, WELL OVER AN
JOB ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. WE HAD A MEETING, WELL OVER AN HOUR DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO
WE HAD A MEETING, WELL OVER AN HOUR DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND THE
HOUR DISCUSSION SPECIFIC TO FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND THE NEW LAWS.
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND THE NEW LAWS. I AM CONVINCED THAT FOR CITIES
NEW LAWS. I AM CONVINCED THAT FOR CITIES OF PEORIA'S SIZE TO COMPLY WITH
I AM CONVINCED THAT FOR CITIES OF PEORIA'S SIZE TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW LAWS.
OF PEORIA'S SIZE TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW LAWS. WE ARE, INDEED, GOING TO HAVE TO
THESE NEW LAWS. WE ARE, INDEED, GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT MONITORS THOSE
WE ARE, INDEED, GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT MONITORS THOSE FROM THE TIME THEY COME IN THE
HAVE SOMEONE THAT MONITORS THOSE FROM THE TIME THEY COME IN THE DOOR UNTIL THE TIME THEY GO OUT
FROM THE TIME THEY COME IN THE DOOR UNTIL THE TIME THEY GO OUT IS JUST BECAUSE THE FINES FOR
DOOR UNTIL THE TIME THEY GO OUT IS JUST BECAUSE THE FINES FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE MATERIAL
IS JUST BECAUSE THE FINES FOR NOT COMPLYING WITH THE MATERIAL THAT WAS REQUESTED WITHIN THE
NOT COMPLYING WITH THE MATERIAL THAT WAS REQUESTED WITHIN THE TIME FRAME THAT WAS REQUESTED
THAT WAS REQUESTED WITHIN THE TIME FRAME THAT WAS REQUESTED ARE IS SIGNIFICANT.
TIME FRAME THAT WAS REQUESTED ARE IS SIGNIFICANT. I DON'T PERSON PLY THINK -- I
ARE IS SIGNIFICANT. I DON'T PERSON PLY THINK -- I THINK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, YOU
I DON'T PERSON PLY THINK -- I THINK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, YOU CAN GO ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD
THINK AT THE LOCAL LEVEL, YOU CAN GO ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD AND NOT HAVE A PROBLEM OF
CAN GO ALMOST ACROSS THE BOARD AND NOT HAVE A PROBLEM OF GETTING INFORMATION.
AND NOT HAVE A PROBLEM OF GETTING INFORMATION. IT IS NOT -- THE LOCAL
GETTING INFORMATION. IT IS NOT -- THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T WHERE THE
IT IS NOT -- THE LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T WHERE THE SUN NEEDS TO SHINE.
MUNICIPALITIES AREN'T WHERE THE SUN NEEDS TO SHINE. THE SUN NEEDS TO SHINE IN
SUN NEEDS TO SHINE. THE SUN NEEDS TO SHINE IN SPRINGFIELD FRANKLY.
THE SUN NEEDS TO SHINE IN SPRINGFIELD FRANKLY. THEY DON'T FIND IT NECESSARY FOR
SPRINGFIELD FRANKLY. THEY DON'T FIND IT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO COMPLY FOR THE SAME
THEY DON'T FIND IT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO COMPLY FOR THE SAME MEASURES THEY ARE ASKING THE
THEM TO COMPLY FOR THE SAME MEASURES THEY ARE ASKING THE LOCALS TO COMPLY WITH.
MEASURES THEY ARE ASKING THE LOCALS TO COMPLY WITH. YES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT.
LOCALS TO COMPLY WITH. YES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RESTRICT
YES, I AM CONCERNED ABOUT IT. WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RESTRICT APPROPRIATE INFORMATION FROM THE
WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO RESTRICT APPROPRIATE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC TO HAVE.
APPROPRIATE INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC TO HAVE. IT IS THEIR INFORMATION TO HAVE.
PUBLIC TO HAVE. IT IS THEIR INFORMATION TO HAVE. OUR CONCERN IS THE -- HOW MUCH
IT IS THEIR INFORMATION TO HAVE. OUR CONCERN IS THE -- HOW MUCH THIS HAS BEEN EXPANDED, AND HOW
OUR CONCERN IS THE -- HOW MUCH THIS HAS BEEN EXPANDED, AND HOW THAT INFORMATION REALLY IS GOING
THIS HAS BEEN EXPANDED, AND HOW THAT INFORMATION REALLY IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE AFFECT ON OUR
THAT INFORMATION REALLY IS GOING TO HAVE A NEGATIVE AFFECT ON OUR BOTTOM LINE. THAT'S WITH WE ARE
TO HAVE A NEGATIVE AFFECT ON OUR BOTTOM LINE. THAT'S WITH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY.
BOTTOM LINE. THAT'S WITH WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY. >>MAYOR ARDIS MADE REFERENCE TO
TALKING ABOUT TODAY. >>MAYOR ARDIS MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT WE HAD A ONE AND A HALF
>>MAYOR ARDIS MADE REFERENCE TO THE FACT WE HAD A ONE AND A HALF HOUR MEETING AT THE BOARD.
THE FACT WE HAD A ONE AND A HALF HOUR MEETING AT THE BOARD. I SHOULD POINT OUT MAYOR ARDIS
HOUR MEETING AT THE BOARD. I SHOULD POINT OUT MAYOR ARDIS AND MAYOR KOOS OF NORMAL ARE
I SHOULD POINT OUT MAYOR ARDIS AND MAYOR KOOS OF NORMAL ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THE
AND MAYOR KOOS OF NORMAL ARE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF THE ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, A
ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE. FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, A STRUGGLE FOR NORMAL?
FREEDOM OF INFORMATION, A STRUGGLE FOR NORMAL? >> FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED
STRUGGLE FOR NORMAL? >> FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED BEFORE.
>> FOR THE REASONS MENTIONED BEFORE. I WOULD REITERATE MUNICIPAL
BEFORE. I WOULD REITERATE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS TEND TO BE VERY OPEN
I WOULD REITERATE MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS TEND TO BE VERY OPEN ABOUT THEIR INFORMATION ANYWAY.
GOVERNMENTS TEND TO BE VERY OPEN ABOUT THEIR INFORMATION ANYWAY. WE INTERNALLY HAVE A POLICY OF
ABOUT THEIR INFORMATION ANYWAY. WE INTERNALLY HAVE A POLICY OF PROVIDING AS MUCH INFORMATION,
WE INTERNALLY HAVE A POLICY OF PROVIDING AS MUCH INFORMATION, VIA WEB SITE, THAT WE CAN ABOUT
PROVIDING AS MUCH INFORMATION, VIA WEB SITE, THAT WE CAN ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT, HOW IT IS RUN.
VIA WEB SITE, THAT WE CAN ABOUT OUR GOVERNMENT, HOW IT IS RUN. ALL OUR CONTRACTS ARE ON THERE.
OUR GOVERNMENT, HOW IT IS RUN. ALL OUR CONTRACTS ARE ON THERE. ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE
ALL OUR CONTRACTS ARE ON THERE. ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE ON AND STREAMING VIDEO.
ALL OF OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE ON AND STREAMING VIDEO. YOU CAN GO BACK TWO YEARS.
ON AND STREAMING VIDEO. YOU CAN GO BACK TWO YEARS. WE TRY TO UP FRONT PROVIDE AS
YOU CAN GO BACK TWO YEARS. WE TRY TO UP FRONT PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN FOR
WE TRY TO UP FRONT PROVIDE AS MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN FOR EASY ACCESS FOR ANYBODY THAT
MUCH INFORMATION AS WE CAN FOR EASY ACCESS FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS IT.
EASY ACCESS FOR ANYBODY THAT WANTS IT. BUT SOME OF THE RULES IN THIS
WANTS IT. BUT SOME OF THE RULES IN THIS NEW ACT ARE GOING TO CAUSE US
BUT SOME OF THE RULES IN THIS NEW ACT ARE GOING TO CAUSE US SOME TROUBLE AND COSTS.
NEW ACT ARE GOING TO CAUSE US SOME TROUBLE AND COSTS. WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO HIRE A
SOME TROUBLE AND COSTS. WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO HIRE A FULL TIME PERSON, BUT WE WILL
WE PROBABLY WON'T HAVE TO HIRE A FULL TIME PERSON, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY BE TAKING STAFF TIME
FULL TIME PERSON, BUT WE WILL DEFINITELY BE TAKING STAFF TIME AWAY FROM OTHER POSITIONS TO
DEFINITELY BE TAKING STAFF TIME AWAY FROM OTHER POSITIONS TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW RULES.
AWAY FROM OTHER POSITIONS TO COMPLY WITH THESE NEW RULES. I THINK LARRY HIT IT RIGHT ON
COMPLY WITH THESE NEW RULES. I THINK LARRY HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.
I THINK LARRY HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD. WE JUST NEED SOME REASONABLE
THE HEAD. WE JUST NEED SOME REASONABLE COMMON SENSE CHANGES TO THIS
WE JUST NEED SOME REASONABLE COMMON SENSE CHANGES TO THIS ACT.
COMMON SENSE CHANGES TO THIS ACT. NOBODY IS SAYING GET RID OF
ACT. NOBODY IS SAYING GET RID OF FOIA, BUT LET'S MAKE IT
NOBODY IS SAYING GET RID OF FOIA, BUT LET'S MAKE IT REASONABLE.
FOIA, BUT LET'S MAKE IT REASONABLE. >>THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE WILL BE
REASONABLE. >>THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE WILL BE SUGGESTING THROUGH LEGISLATION
>>THE MUNICIPAL LEAGUE WILL BE SUGGESTING THROUGH LEGISLATION IS SOME CHANGES?
SUGGESTING THROUGH LEGISLATION IS SOME CHANGES? >> WE HAD A GROUP OF, AS I SAY,
IS SOME CHANGES? >> WE HAD A GROUP OF, AS I SAY, OTHER UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT
>> WE HAD A GROUP OF, AS I SAY, OTHER UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT MET WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS,
OTHER UNITS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT THAT MET WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS, AND
THAT MET WITH ELECTED OFFICIALS, CITY ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS, AND SAID LET'S LOOK AT THE ACT AND
CITY ATTORNEYS AND OTHERS, AND SAID LET'S LOOK AT THE ACT AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL
SAID LET'S LOOK AT THE ACT AND SEE IF THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL AND CORRECTIVE MEASURES THAT
SEE IF THERE ARE SOME TECHNICAL AND CORRECTIVE MEASURES THAT COULD BE INCURRED.
AND CORRECTIVE MEASURES THAT COULD BE INCURRED. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I WASN'T IN
COULD BE INCURRED. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I WASN'T IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS OR THOSE
AS I UNDERSTAND IT, I WASN'T IN THOSE NEGOTIATIONS OR THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THREE PAGE LIST
THOSE NEGOTIATIONS OR THOSE DISCUSSIONS, THREE PAGE LIST CAME ABOUT.
DISCUSSIONS, THREE PAGE LIST CAME ABOUT. EVERYBODY SAID "WE ARE NOT GOING
CAME ABOUT. EVERYBODY SAID "WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO REPEAL FOIA.
EVERYBODY SAID "WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO REPEAL FOIA. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT
TO TRY TO REPEAL FOIA. WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT ITS APPLICATION."
WE ARE NOT GOING TO TRY TO LIMIT ITS APPLICATION." THEY CAME UP WITH A HANDFUL OF
ITS APPLICATION." THEY CAME UP WITH A HANDFUL OF CHANGES WHICH WE SAID "LET'S
THEY CAME UP WITH A HANDFUL OF CHANGES WHICH WE SAID "LET'S APPROACH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
CHANGES WHICH WE SAID "LET'S APPROACH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. THEY ARE MORE IN THE NATURE OF
APPROACH THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. THEY ARE MORE IN THE NATURE OF TECHNICAL.
THEY ARE MORE IN THE NATURE OF TECHNICAL. S" AS YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER,
TECHNICAL. S" AS YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER, H, LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR
S" AS YOU AND I TALKED EARLIER, H, LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR SOMEBODY CAN'T WALK IN A DOOR AT
H, LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR SOMEBODY CAN'T WALK IN A DOOR AT A PARK DISTRICT AND SAY GIVE ME
SOMEBODY CAN'T WALK IN A DOOR AT A PARK DISTRICT AND SAY GIVE ME THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF THE
A PARK DISTRICT AND SAY GIVE ME THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF THE CHILDREN ENROLLED IN THE
THE NAMES AND ADDRESSES OF THE CHILDREN ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM.
CHILDREN ENROLLED IN THE PROGRAM. LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THIS
PROGRAM. LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THIS THE ACT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.
LET'S MAKE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THIS THE ACT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT EXCEPTION IN
THE ACT THAT CAN'T HAPPEN. RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT EXCEPTION IN THE ACT.
RIGHT NOW IT IS NOT EXCEPTION IN THE ACT. >>WISH WE COULD CONTINUE THE
THE ACT. >>WISH WE COULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF BUT HALF-HOUR'S
>>WISH WE COULD CONTINUE THE CONVERSATION OF BUT HALF-HOUR'S GO LIKE THAT.
CONVERSATION OF BUT HALF-HOUR'S GO LIKE THAT. THANK YOU TO LARRY FRANG,
GO LIKE THAT. THANK YOU TO LARRY FRANG, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ILLINOIS
THANK YOU TO LARRY FRANG, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, TO MUNICIPAL
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ILLINOIS MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, TO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE BOARD MEMBER.
MUNICIPAL LEAGUE, TO MUNICIPAL LEAGUE BOARD MEMBER. AND MAYOR OF NORMAL CHRIS KOOS,
LEAGUE BOARD MEMBER. AND MAYOR OF NORMAL CHRIS KOOS, AND JIM ARDIS, ALSO MAYOR OF
AND MAYOR OF NORMAL CHRIS KOOS, AND JIM ARDIS, ALSO MAYOR OF PEORIA.
AND JIM ARDIS, ALSO MAYOR OF PEORIA. THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU
PEORIA. THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR JOINING IN ON THIS
THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR JOINING IN ON THIS CONVERSATION.
FOR JOINING IN ON THIS CONVERSATION. WE WILL BE OFF THE NEXT MONTH.
CONVERSATION. WE WILL BE OFF THE NEXT MONTH. WE WILL RETURN.
WE WILL BE OFF THE NEXT MONTH. WE WILL RETURN. WE WISH WE WERE RETURNING
WE WILL RETURN. WE WISH WE WERE RETURNING SOONER.
WE WISH WE WERE RETURNING SOONER. WE WILL RETURN MARCH 25 WITH A
SOONER. WE WILL RETURN MARCH 25 WITH A COMMITTEE SHOW ON FAIR MAP
WE WILL RETURN MARCH 25 WITH A COMMITTEE SHOW ON FAIR MAP AMENDMENT.
COMMITTEE SHOW ON FAIR MAP AMENDMENT. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO
AMENDMENT. WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO FIX THAT ON MARCH 25 HERE ON "AT
WE WILL BE TALKING ABOUT HOW TO FIX THAT ON MARCH 25 HERE ON "AT ISSUE."
FIX THAT ON MARCH 25 HERE ON "AT ISSUE." JOIN US THEN.>>