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now joining us on the outer ex-governor don segal a former governor of alabama
ivy is uh... politician who has honestly been railroaded in my opinion in fact
it's not just my opinion one hundred ten thirteen
state attorney general's complained about this case saying that it had
signifi irregularities but they're not all
all that's not all uh... they're good trial lawyer declared him america's
political prisoner number
one
back in two thousand and eight and uh... to give you a sense of
how he was brought up on charges
the prosecutors husband
worked
for his political opponent
this is an absurd case
before so we are seeing a woman
is about to head back to jail and he joins us now on the program
governor great to have you with us for those who are not
familiar with the case can you tell us from the beginning
how all this began in the first base
shape expr in the words of the republican attorney general from arizona
grant was
uh... it was also john mccain's
co-chairman of his national campaign in two thousand eight
the stewart said
they couldn't be settlement fair and square so they targeted him with this
prosecution we have sworn testimony that call world
directed the department of justice checkers
soon the
while his best
friends wife the u_s_ attorney
startup charges in alabama
uh... what and as you mentioned while her husband call rose best friend rabbi
opponents' campaigns
you know that this may have started out as a thursday supple political dirty
tricks to try to
the kind of damage me but after the election
uh... and by the way out one but two thousand two re-election campaign but
late at night after that night
when the lights went out the courthouse
five thousand votes were taken from the gathered about though that they were
illegally certified by a
call rose
uh... client the attorney general the uh... the following day
uh... and
then there was this conference call on which a republican lawyer was present
she came forward in gay sworn testimony to the house judiciary committee that
wrote at that
director department of justice to personally
and that
the u_s_ attorney's husband had said
to the republicans although on the conference call
not to worry about settlement in two thousand six because his wife
let's go to prosecute right
so that that's it
the stage ab
so let me jump in there for one saying governor at you know encrusted turnstile
brought wiggins the system and the same ballot audience understand
white-collar rolled might even care about a governor of alabama
uh... at that point the last couple of democratic presidents were all
all popular southern democratic
governors
so when you look at someone who's a popular governor in alabama and he's a
democrat
well they do that is a significant political threat nationwide now that's
why you were targeting though to you were targeted again now talk to us with
a specific corruption charges
that they had they brought against you
what were they when i do you think they were wrong
well repute
the corruption charges are or absurd they they
i was running in nineteen ninety nine was uh... running a campaign to
establish a lotteries
an alabama so we could spend all of our kids orchids needy kids to college for
free
the uh... that uh... i was raising money for this for the television campaign did
to convince people to vote for the lottery
uh... one of the people i have to raise money was fortune five hundred c_e_o_
he raised five hundred thousand dollars later are reappointed him
to the same non-paying
part-time board on which she has served
through three previous governor sarah support governor to a point
this uh... india this uh... a board
there was
pointcast about that have made a present
was bad
uh... for a felony
acrylic as described on sixty minutes
to basically salters testimony so he could stay out of jail
in a sighting forty two hundred years in prison
the government said
pegasus field we want to make a bigger corruption case against settlement
if you tell us what we need to know will recommend that have been president for
you and that's what he did
um...
daily the other thing
accusations that have been there for more saying you know the thing that
stands out to me is that
this something that's been done now bound by republic democratic governors
and nobody who said a single thing about it before all the sudden when the
outlook target somewhat mind on you put someone on
i think the lug uh... well i i don't know there's a short time it is more
about what the corruption than we do with it but this same it
and and
to and of although
lee will crush in today on the enters this story about how the co by david
pogue might have been their promise mitt romney a hundred million dollars if you
would put paul ride on the ticket fuel or out of that somebody i like being put
on a born in this thing which happens every single year in every single state
anything in return believe me if you have that in the first one hundred ten
uh... about your that lady brought that up there was no allegation that act that
i received a penny of the body myself at all that to support
the education
uh... lottery
the other thing that convicted me is that that the judge in our data
political battles going on
kidney respect it later
that's another story but he didn't like me that
clearly set the bar so low
the jury that
they could've convicted anybody of anything
said that they could convict the
that they could hear were
that there was a deal-maker
not that they had to be one proven balboa express
an exquisite brenda guard explicit agreement
they can't infer that there was a deal with it
and that's what we have ob rid thirteen state attorneys general the top law
professors and even george will speaking out playing
this is a dangerous precedent
because if you could if prosecutors can pick and choose the targets they want a
silent
than anybody hours george will said his
isn't perilously participate in in politics
you know letter of the reasons why about here it is still high in part is that
uh... that i believe that this the supreme court eventually is going to get
this right
but the other reason jake is that this is to this case it is not just about me
but your bestest bestest
this is called roadtrip bench karl wrote
uh... is his pockets politics by indictment
he took over the department of justice appointed people he wanted his u_s_
prosecutors
set them on a path that destroyed people that you get waters
you know raj to the top
and i'm not the only one that got shot down park repair i am item
you're a big help up as an example of it
brian electric hastings cabinet me one quick point about that at some huge
insight
that republican at u_s_ attorney in new mexico
said the karo pressure them to bring cases on voter fraud and he said he
investigated investigate investigated and found absolutely no cases
and karl rove insisted that he brings cases
and again is a republican u_s_ attorney
so if they are and then if he didn't bring the cases then they got finally he
said so the idea that karl rove met with the u_s_ attorney's is not really in
dispute there's no question he did it so what
governor when i look at that
uh... and i can't believe the supreme court didn't review your case
i'm glad you're a little
well it is going to take a quick break contribute like a expert
for art
a couple of reasons one bit
they have been fourteen new york times editorial so it better time magazine on
selective prosecution harper's is run a bunch of stories
um... c_v_s_ sixty minutes to congressional investigations of that
government misconduct selective prosecution
it's really if they had taken my patients
powell
that it it opens at hope and towards proximate
all relatively to recall wrote
so he helped by baskets to your listeners and those who review will go
on line and and repairs
uh... or listen to this is that
your business more it's more than my freedom that's at stake is your freedom
in your children's freedom in this country's freedom in restoring our
democracy
and preserving justice and and restoring justice in this country
erected
here we should not allow
illegal wiretaps or or character equipped to extract uh...
uh...
you know it testimony through torture or to we shouldn't be led into war the
false pretenses orwell stolen elections to be stolen
and we shouldn't allow call broken his promise to take over the department of
justice and use it as a political weapon
when elections and that's exactly what they have done in if they win again
they're going to do it again
and buy a hope that this administration
if rocco obama is fortunate enough to win a second term
heaney stickler emails and and they've been reset the moral compass of this
country
there are a bit of the race for it to other issues and i know i'm probably
talk in more than i should take it i have just picked up his dot not before
but
jocelyn
asi autobahn ministration so-and-so tell me more about that actually
well are able to triplex it'll happen in it is a demonstration critic shot down
and and
what i have a minute
egtab into the new york times their legal correspondent wrote indulge anyway
love fifty thousand intend that feel bob administration
sent lawyers introduce a brain port
yesterday that thing
january fourth two thousand and ten th
to argue that u_s_ organisms did not have a constitutional right
not the defiant
that u_s_ citizens do not have a constitutional right not to be fine
that wasn't the case of people act management twenty five years in prison
for something they didn't do it we're suing prosecutors investigators for
pointing them
they got frames just like i've been hit by a felon who struck a deal with the
prosecution
if he'll testify at what we want
we will let you go
that kind of
stuff shouldn't go on america uh... and president obama is that the other person
than that we know that and throw in the second term
you know for goodness sakes wetzel a swing at some of these soft balls that
are floating over home plate he could not come out of the park mister obama
that suddenly
but i was so touched on august the third the judge addict
uh... imprisoned
for matters for which are wo i was found not guilty
in america today federal judges can add two years
for matters
that you were found
not-guilty dance craze it's it's called a credit card dot
berry fitzpatrick raises they have ever heard
you've got a clinton arrived in the film part time for acquitted conduct
is it that people about preparing isn't you know this title people don't want to
believe that elections if perot either would work toward the false pretenses of
that week torture people
they just don't want to believe that in america that our government would argue
that we don't have a constitutional right not to be tried they don't want to
believe that in america that day as we speak
people can be set aside all of this evidence in additional prison time
four thanks for which they were found not guilty but it happens and i was at
the
you know obama
puzzle public and strikers
of this stuff up in the second term so let's talk about what he could have done
so far you are headed back to prison on september eleventh th and now there's a
couple partitions people decide they want change dot org slash font
don we'd get to that same proficient to don siegel men dot org either way
could could be
have gotten involved in this case could be of help you out
uh... to talk a lot about rally
bacon you know
exit automated say
and i i don't want to be cute critical but i have already been critical of lots
of different ways that don't
against what i'm trying to do is to is fit and so hopefully lead
our leaders
in a way to that
make them stronger ledbetter laters
if they could have done something but they didn't picked up
the department of justice is still riddled with karl rove clubs
you remember doing that
they hit the hearings when they were when john kennedy was was investigating
the firing of these prosecutors
because they wouldn't prosecute democrats
you know we got testimony from people at the request a rotary separately
he's scoring people for the department of justice
and they had a litmus test that you had the past that past you had to be a
member of the federalist society have people even certain things
before you got your appointment so
we've got people in the department of justice that are holdovers from the bush
administration holdovers at night and edu or beholden to a girl wrote
so iran at plus we had hundreds of judges and and still u_s_ attorneys
a deputy u_s_ attorneys who were all trained under call wrote
now though let me again disclaimers and an audience they understand sometimes in
a federal societies and legal society mimi maybe maybe you can make an
argument for that
the sun as it asked them to fewer pro-lifer
so that has nothing to do with anything with it regards their
this is the political question that they should not be asking at all so they've
got no shame about this but when it comes to present no bombing he has so
many bush holdovers all throughout his administration
the person who's the head of the drug enforcement agency l radical right
winger holdover from the bush administration is
one of the frustrating mysteries of old balmy administration as to why they
think they should continue the bush administration's policies in anyway she
performs but it fast the specific question for i'm sorry governor siegel
man
if there's one thing that you would ask you go balmy administration in your case
what would it be
i wouldn't get
to pardon are commute but uh... that's uh... that's a comedic which may be just
let the other jail we deal with the part later if partner steve much form to
swallow it will control them
ls despite off the truck and and uh... data computation
doing that
uh... what up what i wanted to un didn't know if that's what i want your
listeners and readers truth
idealistic to pick up a lot is by signing this petition we're sending a
message to president obama that this is wrong education is wrong and what
happened is wrong what's going on at the department of justice is wrong
and and they are
did justice in america needs to be straightened out
this it it's up to the president to separate moral compass for this country
that gets us back on the right course
yes i'd hum and agree more unfortunately ullu story got there
and uh... alive but he also rem i remember that uh... president bush
commuted
scooter libby even though he clearly out of the c_i_a_ agent
but uh... on his specific charge he lied about it was that not no question about
it
he didn't hesitate to commute that sentence
but only have democratic presidents they think oh my god they'll think i'm
political or whatever it is you know and they just uh...
it's so frustrating bc
that the republican away would stop and then we got into some people on our side
ice is my opinion is our governors of the individual step up
uh... for people who they should settle for
on a governor does human why one of thank you for joining us on the young
turks on wish you best of luck
and uh... and and
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