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I'm joined today by former navy chaplain Gordon cling and Schmidt his website is
pray in Jesus name dot or you can also find his YouTube show
YouTube dot com slash chaplain gate now that the YouTube channel chaplain has
been the centre up quite a bit a controversy over the last month or
or six weeks right wing watch which is an organization that kind of catalogs
what they deem to be
right-wing extremists and upload clips
up their programs to YouTube was basically taken down by you after you
filed correct me if I'm wrong
6 copyright infringement claims against them tell us about that
yes thank you David in
it's an honor to be on your show again %ah as it
original content creator I am not only a former navy chaplain but we now produce
a daily half-hour television show which airs
on DirecTV and several other small Christian networks around the country
and we also archives copies of our show
on the YouTube channel that you mention also on our website tree
in Jesus name to upward and what we've notices that
there are pirates in copyright infringers in the world
and what they've been doing is taking
no winer three-minute versions of our show
agree publishing it under their own logo
in fact they remember long was sometimes they put their own logo over the top %uh
that
and then the claim as if they are the original creators of the show
and they're using this to make money for their organization
in so we have to get done using our administrative remedies by complaining
to you too
pay they're copying our show please make them stop
so let's go piece by piece because I actually am very sensitive to
this copyright issue because my youtube channel in my
my program has been both number one the target ok fraudulent
copyright infringement claims when I believe we are properly under Fair Use
able to use content from other shows as well
as have had our own content directly just copied and reuploaded so let's take
it piece by piece by piece
in all honesty right wing watch is not pretending that your show is their show
by putting their logo on they say very clearly
this is run Gordon clinging schmitz channel
the issue if I were you that I would have with them and correct me if I'm
wrong
is that one in the stipulations a fair use is that
you can use someone else's content if you're using it to make a critique
or for educational purposes and that would require like for example on this
program if I play a clip love your show
and say something about it for two minutes before in two minutes after
that's very clearly a critique but if I understand correctly
right wing watch was just uploading your clips with no
additional content added is that right well i
I caught most of your question we're having some technical difficulties here
but I understand there is some claim about fair using YouTube has policies
let's say I'm you know if you wanna file
a copyright infringement complain we will allow
the infringer three strikes and parted the three straight rule is
nod and by the way the people in question your sometimes
not copied up to 90% of my video so their way beyond the three-strikes rule
but I the only file maybe half a dozen administrative complaints with you too
in YouTube initially agreed with me and they
removed the infringing content and they took it down in fact the
temporarily turned off don't wanna the channels in question
and then know that there was you know it
an opportunity for a counterclaim and I think no
what my adversaries have done as they filed a false
counterclaim knowingly the you know intrusion on my copy ray
and and saying oh we have a right to steal your copyright to steal your
program to
not you know girl over the top in your face and raise money essentially
which is what they're doing is even if they don't not admit they're doing that
night it and I think there are limitations to the fair use doctrine a
talk with some lawyers on this
and they think I should sue they think I should in Frenchay
you know not in fridge but I should stop them from infringing on my race
up but I don't wanna do that right now I'm gonna continue to use my
administrative rights I'm gonna continue to file with you too
yes I really don't want to harm these people I don't want to cause them any
harm
you know they may have a right to report on their own
material but if they if they were original creators have their own
contents
then they would be creative people and they should reward be rewarded by the
mark marketplace but not for stealing my contents level continued to defend
my property rights okay so putting aside the fair use conversation a site that I
think this argument to be made on both sides right i mean they do put blurbs
around your content which could be considered a critique of the content and
therefore could fall under Fair Use but it would be for the lawyers to fight out
so let's put that aside for a second chaplain
practically speaking don't you think maybe that they're actually helping you
because
your channel has about 235 subscribers you get a couple hundred views per video
where is right wing watch has seventeen thousand subscribers $20 million views
several thousand views you're actually getting many more eyeballs on your show
through right wing watch and then the shows that talk about you
after seeing you on right wing watch than you otherwise would why not take it
as promotion
well that's a fair point I mean there's there's a saying in politics
no publicity is bad will publicity rate or
well maybe it's the other way round negative publicity is actually positive
publicity because
up but at the same time I just wish that they would
either compensate me for stealing my property or
not you know stop using it all together I don't think it's fair and I don't
think it's right where they
a have advertising to YouTube when they allow their
their followers tissue death threats against me in here so the
death threats that YouTube excuse me that this
into Christian group has allowed stew then posted against me one person let up
I have to stop you there chaplan because you know what's
I deal with this to people will write to me and say look at the crazy statements
the vile statements that you were allowing people to write on your YouTube
videos
we you know we get something like fifteen hundred comments today
there is no practical way to police that so if you're going to make a fair use
claimed that's one thing
but to accuse right wing watch %uh allowing people
on YouTube to comment RT email you
that seems like a little bit over a below the belt blow don't you think
well no I think because they do moderates
the comments on their YouTube channel in we have screen captures a deferred
com is that they have deleted maybe those are the colors that were in favor
of me
but when Mayor when they acknowledge that there are death threats on their
page in the refuse to
remove those although there moderating other comments they refused to remove
the death threats for example
can we *** this task not yet we could *** him he needs a .45-caliber
renovation here yet and I get tons of those on my channel to you but you do
know that
comments can be removed if YouTube users simply flag them for removal and it has
nothing to do with the channel I deal with the same stuff chaplain so I'm
I'm sensitive to this but I think you're going down a road that doesn't really
make sense
let's let's go back up as we wrap up to a kind a higher level
ultimately is your goal just the silence
the the the critical voices that explore right-wing extremism and tried to expose
it is that really the ultimate goal here
no of course not I'm only trying to defend my own copyright
trying to defend my own content you know we we've put a lot of money in time
into producing our TV shows as you do david and
when people steal that and they republish it for their own profit
without permission and when they've been asked to do it then
they're the ones cross the line and I'm just trying to defend myself against
their
attacks i right former navy chaplain Gordon clinch made all the sudden in the
middle %uh they are copyright battle with
with right wing watch and and of course we will continue to follow it I just
think practically chaplain you're gaining way more from it then you're
losing but I do understand
if you do feel your copyright is being violated you would take action the same
way any of us would so I thank you for being here
people can check out the show at YouTube dot com slash chaplain gates
you know I'm watching it daily so thanks for being on Chapman
they keyed in the doubles your listeners in Jesus name