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>>>> GOOD EVENING, AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.
FOR JOINING US. OUR WEEKLY ANALYSIS AND
OUR WEEKLY ANALYSIS AND COMMENTARY ON LOCAL, STATE AND
COMMENTARY ON LOCAL, STATE AND NATIONAL AFFAIRS.
NATIONAL AFFAIRS. ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, ARE THE DREAM
ON TONIGHT'S SHOW, ARE THE DREAM ACT KIDS REALLY JUST DRUG MULES?
ACT KIDS REALLY JUST DRUG MULES? ONE IOWA CONGRESSMAN THINKS SO.
ONE IOWA CONGRESSMAN THINKS SO. AND WE WILL FIND OUT THE LATEST
AND WE WILL FIND OUT THE LATEST ON THE REFERENDUM TO REPEAL THE
ON THE REFERENDUM TO REPEAL THE STATE'S MEDICATION EXPANSION AND
STATE'S MEDICATION EXPANSION AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER SENATOR JOHN
TALK ABOUT WHETHER SENATOR JOHN
McCA
McCA McCAIN IS BACK TO BEING A
McCAIN IS BACK TO BEING A MODERATE.
MODERATE. ALL THAT AND MORE COMING UP BUT
ALL THAT AND MORE COMING UP BUT FIRST A LOOK AT THE TOP STORIES.
FIRST A LOOK AT THE TOP STORIES. >> THE SALT WATER PROJECT IS
>> THE SALT WATER PROJECT IS AGREEING TO SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE
AGREEING TO SHUT DOWN ONE OF THE THREE UNITS AT THE POWER PLANT
THREE UNITS AT THE POWER PLANT BY 2020 TO REDUCE EMISSIONS.
BY 2020 TO REDUCE EMISSIONS. THE PLANT SUPPLIES ELECTRIC
THE PLANT SUPPLIES ELECTRIC POWER TO THE CENTRAL ARIZONA AND
POWER TO THE CENTRAL ARIZONA AND OTHER STATES.
OTHER STATES. THE U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL
THE U.S. ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AGENCY IS GIVING THE
PROTECTION AGENCY IS GIVING THE PLANT TEN YEARS TO INSTALL MORE
PLANT TEN YEARS TO INSTALL MORE POLLUTION REDUCING TECHNOLOGY.
POLLUTION REDUCING TECHNOLOGY. THE EPA SET A 2044 DEADLINE FOR
THE EPA SET A 2044 DEADLINE FOR SHUTTING THE PLANT DOWN UNLESS
SHUTTING THE PLANT DOWN UNLESS THE NAVAHO NATION AGREES TO TAKE
THE NAVAHO NATION AGREES TO TAKE IT OVER.
IT OVER. >>> THE TUCSON UNIFIED SCHOOL
>>> THE TUCSON UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT IS CHANGING THEIR
DISTRICT IS CHANGING THEIR SMOKING POLICY TO KEEP UP.
SMOKING POLICY TO KEEP UP. THEY ARE ADDING ELECTRONIC
THEY ARE ADDING ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES TO THE PROHIBITED
CIGARETTES TO THE PROHIBITED ITEMS.
ITEMS. THE ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES DO NOT
THE ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES DO NOT CONTAIN TOBACCO BUT HAVE
CONTAIN TOBACCO BUT HAVE NICOTINE.
NICOTINE. THAT IS A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S
THAT IS A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S HEADLINES.
HEADLINES. >> THE ATTORNEY FOR BRADLEY
>> THE ATTORNEY FOR BRADLEY MANNING ACCUSED OF THE BIGGEST
MANNING ACCUSED OF THE BIGGEST LEAK OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION
LEAK OF CLASSIFIED INFORMATION IN U.S. HISTORY SAID THE SOLDIER
IN U.S. HISTORY SAID THE SOLDIER IS A WHISTLE BLOWER NOT A
IS A WHISTLE BLOWER NOT A TRAITOR.
TRAITOR. >> BOTH THE PROSECUTION AND
>> BOTH THE PROSECUTION AND DEFENSE HAVE MADE CLOSING
DEFENSE HAVE MADE CLOSING ARGUMENTS AND NOW THE SOLDIER'S
ARGUMENTS AND NOW THE SOLDIER'S FATE IS IN THE HANDS ON OF A
FATE IS IN THE HANDS ON OF A JUDGE.
JUDGE. >> AND HOUSTON BASED HALIBURTON
>> AND HOUSTON BASED HALIBURTON ADMITTING
ADMITTING ADMITTI
ADMITTI ADMITTING TO DESTROYING
ADMITTING TO DESTROYING EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE. WE LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS FOR
WE LOOK AT THE IMPLICATIONS FOR THEIR COMPANY AND BP.
THEIR COMPANY AND BP. >> TWO NORTH AFRICAN COUNTRIES,
>> TWO NORTH AFRICAN COUNTRIES, WE WILL BE FILLED IN ON THE
WE WILL BE FILLED IN ON THE LATEST IN EGYPT, WITH CONSPIRACY
LATEST IN EGYPT, WITH CONSPIRACY CHARGES AGAINST THE FORMER
CHARGES AGAINST THE FORMER PRESIDENT.
PRESIDENT. >> THE FUKISHIMA NUCLEAR PLANT
>> THE FUKISHIMA NUCLEAR PLANT IS LEAKING CONTAMINATING WATER
IS LEAKING CONTAMINATING WATER INTO THE SEA.
INTO THE SEA. WE GET A GLIMPSE INSIDE THE
WE GET A GLIMPSE INSIDE THE STILL RADIOACTIVE AREA.
STILL RADIOACTIVE AREA. >> AND MARK SHIELDS AND DAVID
>> AND MARK SHIELDS AND DAVID BROOKS ANALYZE THE WEEK'S NEWS.
BROOKS ANALYZE THE WEEK'S NEWS. THAT IS ALL AHEAD ON TONIGHT'S
THAT IS ALL AHEAD ON TONIGHT'S NEWS HOUR.
NEWS HOUR. COMING UP, ARIZONA WEEK HOSTS
COMING UP, ARIZONA WEEK HOSTS THE DISCUSSION ON RACE, WHAT
THE DISCUSSION ON RACE, WHAT ROLE DOES OUR STATE PLAY IN THE
ROLE DOES OUR STATE PLAY IN THE NATIONAL CONVERSATION, A PANEL
NATIONAL CONVERSATION, A PANEL OF CIVIL RIGHTS EXPERTS WILL
OF CIVIL RIGHTS EXPERTS WILL WEIGH IN.
WEIGH IN. THAT IS TONIGHT AT 8:30 ON PBS
THAT IS TONIGHT AT 8:30 ON PBS 6.
6. >> EARLIER THIS WEEK, IOWA
>> EARLIER THIS WEEK, IOWA CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING MADE
CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING MADE HEADLINES THAT SAID FOR EVERY
HEADLINES THAT SAID FOR EVERY IMMIGRANT THAT IS A
IMMIGRANT THAT IS A VALIDICTORIAN IN SCHOOL, THERE'S
VALIDICTORIAN IN SCHOOL, THERE'S MORE THAT ARE BRINGING DRUGS
MORE THAT ARE BRINGING DRUGS ACROSS THE BORDER.
ACROSS THE BORDER. THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING
THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE.
HERE. FRANK, CONGRESSMAN KING'S
FRANK, CONGRESSMAN KING'S COMMENTS HAVE DRAWN SOME
COMMENTS HAVE DRAWN SOME CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE LIKE
CRITICISM FROM PEOPLE LIKE SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER.
SPEAKER JOHN BOEHNER. WHAT DID YOU THINK OF WHAT HE
WHAT DID YOU THINK OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT THE WHOLE THIGHS LIKE
SAID ABOUT THE WHOLE THIGHS LIKE CANTALOUPES IN.
CANTALOUPES IN. >> HE WAS RESPONDING TO AN
>> HE WAS RESPONDING TO AN ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE
ARTICLE IN THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR, THAT THE NUMBER OF
MONITOR, THAT THE NUMBER OF YOUNG INDIVIDUALS BEING USED AS
YOUNG INDIVIDUALS BEING USED AS DRUG MULES TO GET DRUGS ACROSS
DRUG MULES TO GET DRUGS ACROSS THE BORDER HAS INCREASED.
THE BORDER HAS INCREASED. AND IT'S TRUE.
AND IT'S TRUE. THE LEFT TRIES TO PULL THINGS
THE LEFT TRIES TO PULL THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT.
OUT OF CONTEXT. YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNGER
YOU HAVE A LOT OF YOUNGER PEOPLE, DOESN'T MATTER THE
PEOPLE, DOESN'T MATTER THE BACKGROUND, BECAUSE OF IF
BACKGROUND, BECAUSE OF IF ECONOMY OR FOR WHATEVER REASON
ECONOMY OR FOR WHATEVER REASON FINDS IT LUCRATIVE TO SMUGGLE
FINDS IT LUCRATIVE TO SMUGGLE DRUGS IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY
DRUGS IN THE COUNTRY AND THEY ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN
ARE GETTING CAUGHT IN OVERWHELMING NUMBERS.
OVERWHELMING NUMBERS. >> WHAT DID YOU THINK?
>> WHAT DID YOU THINK? >> I THOUGHT IT WAS COMPLETELY
>> I THOUGHT IT WAS COMPLETELY IN BAD TASTE.
IN BAD TASTE. I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT KIND OF
I COULD NOT BELIEVE THAT KIND OF DIALOG HAPPENED MUCH I
DIALOG HAPPENED MUCH I CERTAINLY -- DRUG CARTELS AND
CERTAINLY -- DRUG CARTELS AND ALL OF THAT ARE TOP IN LINE FOR
ALL OF THAT ARE TOP IN LINE FOR THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, BUT THE
THE IMMIGRATION DEBATE, BUT THE CONTEXT IN WHICH IT WAS SAID WAS
CONTEXT IN WHICH IT WAS SAID WAS NOT APPROPRIATE.
NOT APPROPRIATE. >> I WILL QUOTE ONE OF THE
>> I WILL QUOTE ONE OF THE REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE, THEY
REPUBLICANS IN THE HOUSE, THEY SAID IT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE.
SAID IT WAS IRRESPONSIBLE. AND OTHERS DESCRIBE IT THAT IT
AND OTHERS DESCRIBE IT THAT IT SHOWS WHAT A MEAN PESSIMISTIC
SHOWS WHAT A MEAN PESSIMISTIC PARTY THE REPUBLICANS HAVE COME,
PARTY THE REPUBLICANS HAVE COME, IN AN ATTEMPT TO ALIENATE ALL
IN AN ATTEMPT TO ALIENATE ALL VOTERS EXCEPT FOR ANGRY WHITE
VOTERS EXCEPT FOR ANGRY WHITE MALES.
MALES. THEY KNEW THEY HAD TO REACH OUT
THEY KNEW THEY HAD TO REACH OUT TO HISPANICS AND WOMEN AND
TO HISPANICS AND WOMEN AND BECOME SOMEWHAT A KINDER AGAINST
BECOME SOMEWHAT A KINDER AGAINST HE WI
HE WI -- KINDER GENTLER PARTY.
-- KINDER GENTLER PARTY. YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THEY STILL
YOU HAVE TO REALIZE, THEY STILL AGREE WITH THIS GUY.
AGREE WITH THIS GUY. ON ALL THE ISSUES BECAUSE WHEN
ON ALL THE ISSUES BECAUSE WHEN THEY PASSED RECENTLY A BILL THAT
THEY PASSED RECENTLY A BILL THAT WAS SPONSORED BY HIM THAT SAID
WAS SPONSORED BY HIM THAT SAID THAT BARACK OBAMA WOULD BE
THAT BARACK OBAMA WOULD BE DENIED HIS DEFERRED ACTION
DENIED HIS DEFERRED ACTION DREAMER PLAN AND MAKE IT
DREAMER PLAN AND MAKE IT ILLEGAL.
ILLEGAL. THEY ONLY SIX REPUBLICANS DID
THEY ONLY SIX REPUBLICANS DID NOT VOTE FOR THAT.
NOT VOTE FOR THAT. IT PASSED THE HOUSE AND IT'S
IT PASSED THE HOUSE AND IT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL SENATE.
DEAD ON ARRIVAL SENATE. THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT SIGN
THE PRESIDENT WOULD NOT SIGN ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THEY
IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU THEY DON'T LEARN.
DON'T LEARN. >> WHAT DO YOU LEARN?
>> WHAT DO YOU LEARN? >> WHAT THE GUY SAID IS WAS
>> WHAT THE GUY SAID IS WAS TRUE.
TRUE. I HAVE, YOU DID NOT MENTION THE
I HAVE, YOU DID NOT MENTION THE CANTALOUPE COMMENT, RUNNING UP
CANTALOUPE COMMENT, RUNNING UP AND DOWN THE HILLS OF
AND DOWN THE HILLS OF AFGHANISTAN, THERE'S NO RACIAL
AFGHANISTAN, THERE'S NO RACIAL COMMENT THERE.
COMMENT THERE. AND YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT A
AND YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT A RACIAL COMMENT BECAUSE THAT IS
RACIAL COMMENT BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS DO.
WHAT YOU GUYS DO. IT'S THE RACE CARD ON EVERY
IT'S THE RACE CARD ON EVERY LITTLE THING IS THE RACE CAR.
LITTLE THING IS THE RACE CAR. >> THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE AS
>> THE PEOPLE THAT CAME HERE AS CHILDREN, THROUGH NO FAULT OF
CHILDREN, THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
THEIR OWN. HE IS COMPARING THEM TO DRUG
HE IS COMPARING THEM TO DRUG RUNNERS.
RUNNERS. SAYING FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM
SAYING FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM THERE'S 100 THAT ARE A DRUG
THERE'S 100 THAT ARE A DRUG RUNNER.
RUNNER. >> WHAT DID HE SAY THAT'S NOT
>> WHAT DID HE SAY THAT'S NOT TRUE?
TRUE? HE ACKNOWLEDGED THOSE THAT ARE
HE ACKNOWLEDGED THOSE THAT ARE HERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE --
HERE, BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE -- LOOK, GO REFERENCE THE ARTICLE.
LOOK, GO REFERENCE THE ARTICLE. THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR
THE CHRISTIAN SCIENCE MONITOR ARTICLE.
ARTICLE. >> I DID.
>> I DID. >> HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY ARE
>> HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE A DAY ARE CAUGHT TRYING SMUGGLE DRUGS.
CAUGHT TRYING SMUGGLE DRUGS. >> IT WAS IN BAD TASTE IN THE
>> IT WAS IN BAD TASTE IN THE MOMENT.
MOMENT. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNITED
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF UNITED STATES THAT SUPPORTS THE DREAM
STATES THAT SUPPORTS THE DREAM ACT, THE OBAMA EXECUTIVE ORDER,
ACT, THE OBAMA EXECUTIVE ORDER, I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE HAD OUR OWN
I MEAN, CERTAINLY WE HAD OUR OWN CONCERNS ON THE WAY IT WAS
CONCERNS ON THE WAY IT WAS HANDLED OR IMPLEMENTED, THE
HANDLED OR IMPLEMENTED, THE CHAMBER MEMBERS, FEEL STRONGLY
CHAMBER MEMBERS, FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT THE DROEM DREAMERS AND FEY
ABOUT THE DROEM DREAMERS AND FEY ARE HERE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR
ARE HERE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.
OWN. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SPEAKER
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF SPEAKER BOEHNER AND ERIC CANTOR SAYING
BOEHNER AND ERIC CANTOR SAYING THAT THEY NOW WANT TO PASS THE
THAT THEY NOW WANT TO PASS THE DREAM ACT?
DREAM ACT? >> THEY ARE BOUNCING OFF THE
>> THEY ARE BOUNCING OFF THE LIBERAL MEDIA NARRATIVE.
LIBERAL MEDIA NARRATIVE. THEY ARE TRYING TO PLAY THE NICE
THEY ARE TRYING TO PLAY THE NICE GUYS IN THE MIDDLE HERE.
GUYS IN THE MIDDLE HERE. THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDAMENTAL
THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEMS.
PROBLEMS. I CAME BACK IN THE COUNTRY, I
I CAME BACK IN THE COUNTRY, I HAD TO SHOW MY PASSPORT TO GET
HAD TO SHOW MY PASSPORT TO GET IN.
IN. I WENT THROUGH THE SECURITY
I WENT THROUGH THE SECURITY SCREENING, I GOT EVERYTHING
SCREENING, I GOT EVERYTHING CHECKED.
CHECKED. TO SAY THAT SOMEONE SHOULD NOT
TO SAY THAT SOMEONE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPER
HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPER DOCUMENTATION, THAT THEY ARE
DOCUMENTATION, THAT THEY ARE LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY AND GO
LEGALLY IN THE COUNTRY AND GO BACK AND FORTH ACROSS BORDERE B.
BACK AND FORTH ACROSS BORDERE B. I DO NOT SEE A PROBLEM WITH
I DO NOT SEE A PROBLEM WITH THAT.
THAT. IF THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS,
IF THERE'S A LEGAL PROCESS, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. BUT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
BUT IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PEOPLE COMMITTING CRIMES, DO NOT
PEOPLE COMMITTING CRIMES, DO NOT BLANKET, AND THAT IS WHAT THE
BLANKET, AND THAT IS WHAT THE PRESIDENT DID.
PRESIDENT DID. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL.
>> THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL. THEY CANNOT HAVE --
THEY CANNOT HAVE -- >> THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO
>> THEY DO NOT HAVE TO DO BACKGROUND.
BACKGROUND. >> THEY DO.
>> THEY DO. THEY CANNOT HAVE A FELONY
THEY CANNOT HAVE A FELONY CONVICTION OR A MISDEMEANOR.
CONVICTION OR A MISDEMEANOR. THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE
THEY HAVE TO APPLY FOR THE PROGRAM AND THEY CANNOT EVEN A
PROGRAM AND THEY CANNOT EVEN A MAJOR MISDEMEANOR LET ALONE A
MAJOR MISDEMEANOR LET ALONE A FELONY ON THEIR RECORD.
FELONY ON THEIR RECORD. THEY HAVE TO BE IN SCHOOL OR A
THEY HAVE TO BE IN SCHOOL OR A GRADUATE OF SCHOOL OR BE IN THE
GRADUATE OF SCHOOL OR BE IN THE MILITARY.
MILITARY. UNDER 30 YEARS OLD.
UNDER 30 YEARS OLD. AND CAME HERE THROUGH NO FAULT
AND CAME HERE THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, AND OTHER
OF THEIR OWN, AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS TOO.
REQUIREMENTS TOO. YOU ARE WRONG THERE.
YOU ARE WRONG THERE. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE KIDS
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE KIDS THAT TRIED TO CROSS THE BORDER
THAT TRIED TO CROSS THE BORDER THIS WEEK, JEFF?
THIS WEEK, JEFF? THEY WERE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY BY
THEY WERE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY BY THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION.
THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. >> I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT
>> I HAVE MIXED FEELINGS ABOUT THEM.
THEM. THEY WERE 9 OF THEM, AND FIVE OF
THEY WERE 9 OF THEM, AND FIVE OF THEM QUALIFIED FOR THE DREAM
THEM QUALIFIED FOR THE DREAM ACT.
ACT. THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ONLINE ON
THERE WAS AN ARTICLE ONLINE ON THE RANGE THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT
THE RANGE THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT TO GET A PROFILE OF THESE YOUNG
TO GET A PROFILE OF THESE YOUNG KIDS.
KIDS. THREE OF THEMM EWERE HERE, AND
THREE OF THEMM EWERE HERE, AND COULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE
COULD HAVE QUALIFIED FOR THE DREAM ACT.
DREAM ACT. BY GOING ACROSS THE BORDER AND
BY GOING ACROSS THE BORDER AND COMING BACK, THEY VIOLATE SOME
COMING BACK, THEY VIOLATE SOME OF THAT, YOUR RESIDENCY HAS TO
OF THAT, YOUR RESIDENCY HAS TO BE CONTINUOUS.
BE CONTINUOUS. SOME WERE DEPORTED AND BY
SOME WERE DEPORTED AND BY REENTRY, THAT IS A CIVIL
REENTRY, THAT IS A CIVIL OFFENSE.
OFFENSE. AND IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE
AND IT'S NOT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE ON THE FIRST TIME.
ON THE FIRST TIME. BUT A REENTRY AFTER A
BUT A REENTRY AFTER A DEPORTATION AND A FEW OF THEM
DEPORTATION AND A FEW OF THEM FIT THAT, THAT IS A CRIME NOW.
FIT THAT, THAT IS A CRIME NOW. NOW THEY POSSIBLY PUT THEMSELVES
NOW THEY POSSIBLY PUT THEMSELVES IN A BAD POSITION.
IN A BAD POSITION. AS A LAWYER THAT WANTS TO SEE
AS A LAWYER THAT WANTS TO SEE THEM SUCCEED AND CARES ABOUT THE
THEM SUCCEED AND CARES ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS I CAN APPRECIATE
INDIVIDUALS I CAN APPRECIATE THEIR COURAGE AND YOU KNOW,
THEIR COURAGE AND YOU KNOW, THEIR COMPELLING REASONS FOR
THEIR COMPELLING REASONS FOR DOING IT.
DOING IT. BUT, EACH ONE OF THESE
BUT, EACH ONE OF THESE INDIVIDUALS MAY HAVE IMPERLILED
INDIVIDUALS MAY HAVE IMPERLILED IT.
IT. >> THEY BROKE THE LAW.
>> THEY BROKE THE LAW. YOU CAN SAY THAT.
YOU CAN SAY THAT. >> THE FEW THAT --
>> THE FEW THAT -- >> WATCHING THIS -- I THINK WE
>> WATCHING THIS -- I THINK WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE.
ARE IN THE MIDDLE. WATCH THE NEWS STORY BROKE MY
WATCH THE NEWS STORY BROKE MY HEART.
HEART. SADDEST, I THINK SITUATION.
SADDEST, I THINK SITUATION. I KNOW A LOT OF THE CHAMBER
I KNOW A LOT OF THE CHAMBER MEMBERS FELT FOR THE STUDENTS.
MEMBERS FELT FOR THE STUDENTS. WE HEAR FROM STUDENTS THAT LOST
WE HEAR FROM STUDENTS THAT LOST HOPE IN THE FACT THAT SOME KIND
HOPE IN THE FACT THAT SOME KIND OF DREAM ACT WOULD HAPPEN BACK
OF DREAM ACT WOULD HAPPEN BACK IN THE DAY AND STILL HAD GONE
IN THE DAY AND STILL HAD GONE BACK AND SOME DID NOT EVEN SPEAK
BACK AND SOME DID NOT EVEN SPEAK SPANISH FLUENTLY AND ARE FINDING
SPANISH FLUENTLY AND ARE FINDING THEMSELVES DEPORTED.
THEMSELVES DEPORTED. I FEEL FOR THEM AND I FEEL THE
I FEEL FOR THEM AND I FEEL THE LINE WAS DRAWN IN THE SAND, SDOI
LINE WAS DRAWN IN THE SAND, SDOI NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR CHANCES ARE.
NOT KNOW WHAT THEIR CHANCES ARE. I HOPE THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH
I HOPE THEY WORK CLOSELY WITH THEIR ATTORNEYS.
THEIR ATTORNEYS. >> SO WE WILL SEE WHERE THIS
>> SO WE WILL SEE WHERE THIS STORY GOES.
STORY GOES. AS LONG AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT
AS LONG AS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WASHINGTON, JEFF, RON BARBER
WASHINGTON, JEFF, RON BARBER VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS TO
VOTED WITH THE REPUBLICANS TO DELAY THE MANDATE FOR BUSINESSES
DELAY THE MANDATE FOR BUSINESSES TO PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO
TO PROVIDE HEALTH INSURANCE TO THEIR EMPLOYERS AND THE
THEIR EMPLOYERS AND THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, WHAT DID YOU
INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, WHAT DID YOU THINK OF HIS VOTE?
THINK OF HIS VOTE? >> IT WAS THE WRONG VOTE, IT WAS
>> IT WAS THE WRONG VOTE, IT WAS A STRANGE COALITION OF LOTS OF
A STRANGE COALITION OF LOTS OF PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. BUT, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY THE
BUT, YOU KNOW, MOSTLY THE REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THAT.
REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THAT. THAT PART IS ACTUALLY ON TRACK.
THAT PART IS ACTUALLY ON TRACK. AS ARE ALMOST ALL OTHER PARTS OF
AS ARE ALMOST ALL OTHER PARTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, THE
THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT, THE PART THAT WAS A PROBLEM, THE
PART THAT WAS A PROBLEM, THE SMALL EMPLOYERS, SLIGHTLY OVER
SMALL EMPLOYERS, SLIGHTLY OVER 50 EMPLOYEES ASKED FOR A DELAY
50 EMPLOYEES ASKED FOR A DELAY ON THAT.
ON THAT. THEY SAID THERE WAS A PROBLEM
THEY SAID THERE WAS A PROBLEM GETTING THE REGULATIONS UP.
GETTING THE REGULATIONS UP. AND GETTING THE NECESSARY
AND GETTING THE NECESSARY REPORTING REQUIREMENTS.
REPORTING REQUIREMENTS. WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WOULD TAKE
WHEN WE REALIZED THAT WOULD TAKE EXTRA TIME.
EXTRA TIME. OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE
OTHER THAN THAT, EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON TRACK.
IS ON TRACK. AND I THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS
AND I THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS IN TRANSIT JUST NOW THREATENING
IN TRANSIT JUST NOW THREATENING TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT IF
TO SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT IF IT'S NOT PREPEELED, WHAT IT
IT'S NOT PREPEELED, WHAT IT REFLECTS IS THEY ARE AFRAID IT
REFLECTS IS THEY ARE AFRAID IT WILL WORK.
WILL WORK. SO FAR, WE ARE SEEING WHAT
SO FAR, WE ARE SEEING WHAT REPUBLICANS USED TO LOVE.
REPUBLICANS USED TO LOVE. COMPETITION IN THE INDUSTRY.
COMPETITION IN THE INDUSTRY. CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK, BRI
CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK, BRI BRINGING RATES DOWN.
BRINGING RATES DOWN. THEY ARE ENCOURAGING
THEY ARE ENCOURAGING COMPETITION.
COMPETITION. AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE LOWER
AND WE ARE GOING TO SEE LOWER RATES IN INSURANCE AND WE HAVE
RATES IN INSURANCE AND WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN SINCE THE ACT WAS
ALREADY SEEN SINCE THE ACT WAS PASSED THE SMALLEST INCREASES IN
PASSED THE SMALLEST INCREASES IN HEALTH CARE COSTS IN
HEALTH CARE COSTS IN GENERATIONS.
GENERATIONS. SO, I REALLY THINK THAT THE
SO, I REALLY THINK THAT THE REPUBLICANS ARE WORRIED THAT
REPUBLICANS ARE WORRIED THAT THIS SIGNATURE MOMENT FOR THEM,
THIS SIGNATURE MOMENT FOR THEM, REPEAL OBAMA-CARE, THEY VOTED
REPEAL OBAMA-CARE, THEY VOTED FOR IT 40 TIMES ON THE HOUSE.
FOR IT 40 TIMES ON THE HOUSE. IT WILL WORK AND THEY WILL LOOK
IT WILL WORK AND THEY WILL LOOK BAD.
BAD. >> WHAT PLANET IS THIS GUY
>> WHAT PLANET IS THIS GUY LIVING ON.
LIVING ON. THERE'S TWO STATES THAT SAW A
THERE'S TWO STATES THAT SAW A DECLINE, THAT IS CALIFORNIA AND
DECLINE, THAT IS CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK.
NEW YORK. THEY ARE A HUGE WELFARE STATE AS
THEY ARE A HUGE WELFARE STATE AS IT IS.
IT IS. EVERY OTHER STATE HAS A HUGE
EVERY OTHER STATE HAS A HUGE INCREASE IN COSTS.
INCREASE IN COSTS. ALL THE BUSINESS GUYS I WILL
ALL THE BUSINESS GUYS I WILL TELL YOU, ARE SCREAMING ABOUT
TELL YOU, ARE SCREAMING ABOUT HOW HIGH THE INSURANCE RATES
HOW HIGH THE INSURANCE RATES ARE.
ARE. MANY, WHITE CASTLE SAID WE ARE
MANY, WHITE CASTLE SAID WE ARE PUTTING OUR EMPLOYEES ON PART
PUTTING OUR EMPLOYEES ON PART TIME TO NOT COMPLY WITH IT.
TIME TO NOT COMPLY WITH IT. FOR EVERY JOB THE PRESIDENT
FOR EVERY JOB THE PRESIDENT CREATES HE PUTS TWO PEOPLE ON
CREATES HE PUTS TWO PEOPLE ON FOOD STAMPS.
FOOD STAMPS. RON BARBER MADE A SMART VOTE.
RON BARBER MADE A SMART VOTE. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT
IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN THE RIGHT VOTE.
VOTE. KIRSTEN CINEMA MADE THE SAME
KIRSTEN CINEMA MADE THE SAME VOTE.
VOTE. THEY KNOW OBAMA-CARE IS A TRAIN
THEY KNOW OBAMA-CARE IS A TRAIN WRECK, IT'S HURTING THE ECONOMY,
WRECK, IT'S HURTING THE ECONOMY, THE GDP IS STAGNANT.
THE GDP IS STAGNANT. YOU ARE TELLING ME EVERYTHING IS
YOU ARE TELLING ME EVERYTHING IS OKAY?
OKAY? >> WHAT IF IT'S NOT REPEALED?
>> WHAT IF IT'S NOT REPEALED? >> THE GUY IS SPENDING $700
>> THE GUY IS SPENDING $700 MILLION ON A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN
MILLION ON A PROPAGANDA CAMPAIGN TO ADVERTISE THIS TRAIN WRECK
TO ADVERTISE THIS TRAIN WRECK AND PROMOTE IT.
AND PROMOTE IT. >> IT'S NOT TO ADVERTISE AND
>> IT'S NOT TO ADVERTISE AND PROMOTE IT, IT'S TO INFORM
PROMOTE IT, IT'S TO INFORM PEOPLE YOU HAVE INSURANCE
PEOPLE YOU HAVE INSURANCE OPTIONS.
OPTIONS. OPTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT
OPTIONS THAT YOU DO NOT WANT THEM TO KNOW ABOUT IT PEOPLE
THEM TO KNOW ABOUT IT PEOPLE NEED TO SIGN UP FOR IT.
NEED TO SIGN UP FOR IT. >> THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, LET
>> THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, LET THEIR THINKING?
THEIR THINKING? >> I THINK THE DELAY ON THE
>> I THINK THE DELAY ON THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE WAS THE RIGHT
INDIVIDUAL MANDATE WAS THE RIGHT THING DO TO DO.
THING DO TO DO. I APPLAUD EVERYONE THAT
I APPLAUD EVERYONE THAT SUPPORTED THAT.
SUPPORTED THAT. THERE'S SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY IN
THERE'S SO MUCH UNCERTAINTY IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WE
THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN PART
HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN PART TYPE JOBS.
TYPE JOBS. WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE BEING PLACED
WE HAVE SEEN PEOPLE BEING PLACED ON PART-TIME POSITIONS BECAUSE
ON PART-TIME POSITIONS BECAUSE EMPLOYERS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THAT
EMPLOYERS THAT ARE CLOSE TO THAT 50 EMPLOYEE MARK ARE UNDECIDED
50 EMPLOYEE MARK ARE UNDECIDED IN TERMS OF WHAT THE IMPACT THE
IN TERMS OF WHAT THE IMPACT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT WOULD BE.
FINANCIAL IMPACT WOULD BE. I THINK THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS
I THINK THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS MORE TIME TO COMMUNICATE THIS TO
MORE TIME TO COMMUNICATE THIS TO US AND PROMOTE THE BENEFITS OF
US AND PROMOTE THE BENEFITS OF IT IF THAT IS THE CASE.
IT IF THAT IS THE CASE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN
I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY.
IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. >> AND FRANK, I HAVE TO ASK YOU
>> AND FRANK, I HAVE TO ASK YOU ABOUT JOHN McCAIN THESE DAYS, IS
ABOUT JOHN McCAIN THESE DAYS, IS HE GOING SQUISHY ON YOU?
HE GOING SQUISHY ON YOU? >> WHAT DO YOU MEAN GOING KIND
>> WHAT DO YOU MEAN GOING KIND OF SQUISHY?
OF SQUISHY? >> YOU TELL ME.
>> YOU TELL ME. >> I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU
>> I DON'T KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO TELL YOU.
WANT ME TO TELL YOU. HE HAS BEEN WRONG ON SO MANY
HE HAS BEEN WRONG ON SO MANY THINGS LATELY T VOTERS KNEW
THINGS LATELY T VOTERS KNEW THAT.
THAT. A LOT OF THEM KNEW HE WAS LIKE
A LOT OF THEM KNEW HE WAS LIKE THAT.
THAT. HE CHANGED AGAIN WHEN HE RAN FOR
HE CHANGED AGAIN WHEN HE RAN FOR RE-ELECTION, HE WAS THE
RE-ELECTION, HE WAS THE CONSERVATIVE CAMPAIGN, AND THEN
CONSERVATIVE CAMPAIGN, AND THEN WE SAW HIM DRIFT BACK TO WHERE
WE SAW HIM DRIFT BACK TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE.
HE WAS BEFORE. EXCEPT TED KENNEDY IS NOT THERE
EXCEPT TED KENNEDY IS NOT THERE TO HOLD HANDS WITH.
TO HOLD HANDS WITH. I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN
I DO NOT SEE ANY DIFFERENCE IN HIM.
HIM. IT'S JUST CLASSIC JOHN McCAIN.
IT'S JUST CLASSIC JOHN McCAIN. >> JEFF, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> JEFF, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I THINK --
>> I THINK -- >> THAT IS THE ENDORSEMENT.
>> THAT IS THE ENDORSEMENT. >> AND I'M SURPRISED.
>> AND I'M SURPRISED. BECAUSE JOHN McCAIN HAD, YOU
BECAUSE JOHN McCAIN HAD, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AND MAYBE IT WAS
KNOW, KIND OF AND MAYBE IT WAS FOR PURELY POLITICAL REASONS, AS
FOR PURELY POLITICAL REASONS, AS FRANK SAID, HE HAD TO GET BACK
FRANK SAID, HE HAD TO GET BACK INTO THE RIGHT WING OF THE
INTO THE RIGHT WING OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY TO MAKE SURE HE
REPUBLICAN PARTY TO MAKE SURE HE WON A PRIMARY.
WON A PRIMARY. MAYBE IT'S THAT AND MAYBE HE IS
MAYBE IT'S THAT AND MAYBE HE IS LOOKING AT IT, THIS IS THE END
LOOKING AT IT, THIS IS THE END OF MY CAREER.
OF MY CAREER. HE WILL DO A FEW THINGS THAT ARE
HE WILL DO A FEW THINGS THAT ARE BIPARTISAN.
BIPARTISAN. I LIKE TO THINK IT'S THE LATTER.
I LIKE TO THINK IT'S THE LATTER. BUT, IT COULD BE THE FORMER.
BUT, IT COULD BE THE FORMER. >> AND NAPOLITANO IS ON THE
>> AND NAPOLITANO IS ON THE RIGHT SIDE AND McCAIN IS ON THE
RIGHT SIDE AND McCAIN IS ON THE WRONG SIDE, WE HAVE BAD THINGS
WRONG SIDE, WE HAVE BAD THINGS GOING ON.
GOING ON. >> AND McCAIN IS TALKING ABOUT A
>> AND McCAIN IS TALKING ABOUT A REVIEW ON IT.
REVIEW ON IT. AND EVERYONE LOOKED AT IT AND
AND EVERYONE LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, THE PROSECUTORS IN THE
SAID, THE PROSECUTORS IN THE STATE OF ARIZONA AND POLICE
STATE OF ARIZONA AND POLICE OFFICERS SAID IS THERE'S NOTHING
OFFICERS SAID IS THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE LAW.
WRONG WITH THE LAW. McCAIN WANTED TO DO IT AND
McCAIN WANTED TO DO IT AND AGAIN, THE LIBERAL MEDIA
AGAIN, THE LIBERAL MEDIA NARRATIVE, AND McCAIN WAS
NARRATIVE, AND McCAIN WAS APPEASING THE LIBERAL MEDIA
APPEASING THE LIBERAL MEDIA NARRATIVE.
NARRATIVE. >> IT'S INTERESTING, I DO NOT
>> IT'S INTERESTING, I DO NOT LABEL IT AS MUCH LIBERAL
LABEL IT AS MUCH LIBERAL CONSERVATIVE, IN TERMS OF WHAT
CONSERVATIVE, IN TERMS OF WHAT HE TALKS ABOUT, MAKES SENSE.
HE TALKS ABOUT, MAKES SENSE. IT'S REASONABLE, IT'S THE
IT'S REASONABLE, IT'S THE CONVERSATION THAT A LOT OF US
CONVERSATION THAT A LOT OF US ARE HAVING AROUND THE DINNER
ARE HAVING AROUND THE DINNER TABLE.
TABLE. THE STAND YOUR GROUND ISSUE AND
THE STAND YOUR GROUND ISSUE AND LET'S REVIEW IT.
LET'S REVIEW IT. YES, LAWS SHOULD BE REVIEWED,
YES, LAWS SHOULD BE REVIEWED, AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S HIGHLY
AND IN THIS CASE, IT'S HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL.
CONTROVERSIAL. I KNOW McCAIN'S OFFICE REACHED
I KNOW McCAIN'S OFFICE REACHED OUT TO US IN REGARDS TO
OUT TO US IN REGARDS TO IMMIGRATION REFORM.
IMMIGRATION REFORM. >> AND FRANK, I WANTED TO ASK
>> AND FRANK, I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT YOUR MEDICATE
YOU ABOUT YOUR MEDICATE REFERENDUM HERE, HOW IS THAT
REFERENDUM HERE, HOW IS THAT GOING?
GOING? >> WE ARE DOING WELL.
>> WE ARE DOING WELL. >> AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE
>> AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE INCREASING OPPOSITIONAL EFFORT
INCREASING OPPOSITIONAL EFFORT AGAINST US.
AGAINST US. THEY ARE WORRIED.
THEY ARE WORRIED. WE HAVE SO MANY VOLUNTEERS OUT
WE HAVE SO MANY VOLUNTEERS OUT THERE NOW, PEOPLE ARE SEEING
THERE NOW, PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEM, THEY ARE VISIBLE AND WE
THEM, THEY ARE VISIBLE AND WE ARE DOING WELL ON THE SIGNATURE
ARE DOING WELL ON THE SIGNATURE COLLECTION.
COLLECTION. AND THEY ARE GETTING NERVOUS.
AND THEY ARE GETTING NERVOUS. SO WE ARE GEARING UP FOR A HUGE
SO WE ARE GEARING UP FOR A HUGE LEGAL FIGHT AND THE GOVERNOR'S
LEGAL FIGHT AND THE GOVERNOR'S PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED INSTEAD TO
PEOPLE HAVE DECIDED INSTEAD TO ESTABLISH A PENPAL RELATIONSHIP
ESTABLISH A PENPAL RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE.
WITH THE SECRETARY OF STATE. THEY HAVE WRITTEN TWO LETTERS TO
THEY HAVE WRITTEN TWO LETTERS TO KEN BENNETT ASKING THAT HE CAN
KEN BENNETT ASKING THAT HE CAN GET INVOLVED KNOWING HE CANNOT.
GET INVOLVED KNOWING HE CANNOT. WE ARE OUT THERE GETTING
WE ARE OUT THERE GETTING SIGNATURES WHILE THEY ARE
SIGNATURES WHILE THEY ARE WRITING LETTERS.
WRITING LETTERS. >> YOU NEED 86,000 BY --
>> YOU NEED 86,000 BY -- >> BY SEPTEMBER 12th.
>> BY SEPTEMBER 12th. >> WE WILL HAVE IT ON THE 10th.
>> WE WILL HAVE IT ON THE 10th. >> THE CHAMBER SUPPORTED
>> THE CHAMBER SUPPORTED MEDICATION RESTORATION.
MEDICATION RESTORATION. >> WE DID, IT WILL BE BATTLED
>> WE DID, IT WILL BE BATTLED OUT IN THE COURTS AND I AM SURE
OUT IN THE COURTS AND I AM SURE THAT FRANK'S GROUP WILL SUCCEED
THAT FRANK'S GROUP WILL SUCCEED IN GETTING THE SIGNATURES.
IN GETTING THE SIGNATURES. IT IS THE RIGHT THING AND MAKES
IT IS THE RIGHT THING AND MAKES FINANCIAL SENSE FOR OUR STATE.
FINANCIAL SENSE FOR OUR STATE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT
WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT MEDICAID.
MEDICAID. >> IT'S AN UP HILL CLIMB TO GET
>> IT'S AN UP HILL CLIMB TO GET 86,000 SIGNATURES WITHOUT PAYING
86,000 SIGNATURES WITHOUT PAYING PEOPLE IN A 90 DAY PERIOD OF
PEOPLE IN A 90 DAY PERIOD OF TIME.
TIME. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT
WE WILL TALK ABOUT THAT NEXT WEEK ON THE ONE THAT THE
WEEK ON THE ONE THAT THE DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING REFER TO
DEMOCRATS ARE TRYING REFER TO THE BALLOT.
THE BALLOT. WE HAVE ON THAT ONE, YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE ON THAT ONE, YOU KNOW, JUST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO
JUST HALF A MILLION DOLLARS TO PAY THE PEOPLE TO DO THAT AND A
PAY THE PEOPLE TO DO THAT AND A LARGE VOLUNTEER TURN OUT.
LARGE VOLUNTEER TURN OUT. IT'S A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE AND
IT'S A TOUGH ROAD TO HOE AND THERE'S EMERGING LEGAL PROBLEMS
THERE'S EMERGING LEGAL PROBLEMS WITH THIS.
WITH THIS. WE BELIEVE STRICT COMPLIANCE IS
WE BELIEVE STRICT COMPLIANCE IS THE RULE RIGHT NOW, ON A
THE RULE RIGHT NOW, ON A REFERRAL TO THE BALLOT ON THIS,
REFERRAL TO THE BALLOT ON THIS, AND SOME OF THE PETITIONS WERE
AND SOME OF THE PETITIONS WERE CERTIFIED BEFORE THE SIGNATURES
CERTIFIED BEFORE THE SIGNATURES WERE COLLECTED ON THEM.
WERE COLLECTED ON THEM. AND WE ARE HEARING THAT IT DOES
AND WE ARE HEARING THAT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE A FULL TEXT OF THE
NOT INCLUDE A FULL TEXT OF THE BILL.
BILL. THIS IS FOR THE ELECTION OMNIBUS
THIS IS FOR THE ELECTION OMNIBUS ACT.
ACT. THE PERSON COULD ACTUALLY LOOK
THE PERSON COULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, YEAH I DO OR
AT IT AND SAY, YEAH I DO OR DON'T LIKE THAT.
DON'T LIKE THAT. WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ATTACH
WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS ATTACH PORTIONS OF IT.
PORTIONS OF IT. THAT IS WHERE THE LEGAL BATTLE
THAT IS WHERE THE LEGAL BATTLE COMES IN.
COMES IN. >> IT SAID --
>> IT SAID -- >> OUR LAWYERS AND THE
>> OUR LAWYERS AND THE GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ARE GOING TO
GOVERNOR'S LAWYERS ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU DID NOT STRICTLY COME
SAY, YOU DID NOT STRICTLY COME APPLY WITH THIS, THERE FOR THE
APPLY WITH THIS, THERE FOR THE PETITIONS ARE BAD, PAGE BY PAGE.
PETITIONS ARE BAD, PAGE BY PAGE. >> WE HAD ALLEGED COUNCIL
>> WE HAD ALLEGED COUNCIL REVIEW, AND IT'S GRANTED UNDER
REVIEW, AND IT'S GRANTED UNDER ARTICLE 19 THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE
ARTICLE 19 THAT YOU CAN HAVE THE COUNCIL REVIEW IT.
COUNCIL REVIEW IT. YOU CAN DO IT WITH THE SHORT
YOU CAN DO IT WITH THE SHORT FORM.
FORM. YOU ONLY NEED THE LANGUAGE IN
YOU ONLY NEED THE LANGUAGE IN WHICH YOU WANT TO REFER AND THAT
WHICH YOU WANT TO REFER AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE.
IS WHAT WE HAVE. IT'S GRASPING, IT'S BEDESPERATE
IT'S GRASPING, IT'S BEDESPERATE AND AN EFFORT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE
AND AN EFFORT TO CONFUSE PEOPLE AND MISINFORM PEOPLE AND IT'S
AND MISINFORM PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT TRUE.
NOT TRUE. >> YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR AND
>> YOU HAVE THE GOVERNOR AND SOME OF HER ALLIES COLLECTING
SOME OF HER ALLIES COLLECTING SIGNATURES.
SIGNATURES. >> THE GOVERNOR AND HER HENCHMAN
>> THE GOVERNOR AND HER HENCHMAN HAVE DECIDED TO NOT PAY PEOPLE
HAVE DECIDED TO NOT PAY PEOPLE TO COLLECT SIGNATURES, FROM WHAT
TO COLLECT SIGNATURES, FROM WHAT WE HEARD, THEY WERE NOT MAKING
WE HEARD, THEY WERE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY.
ENOUGH MONEY. NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE SIGNING
NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE SIGNING THE PETITION, AND WE ARE GETTING
THE PETITION, AND WE ARE GETTING $1.50 A SIGNATURE.
$1.50 A SIGNATURE. THEY ARE USUALLY MAKING 25 OR
THEY ARE USUALLY MAKING 25 OR $30 AN HOUR AND A LOT OF THEM
$30 AN HOUR AND A LOT OF THEM QUIT.
QUIT. SO THEY HAVE DIVERTED THEIR
SO THEY HAVE DIVERTED THEIR RESOURCES TO THE LEGAL SIDE OF
RESOURCES TO THE LEGAL SIDE OF IT.
IT. THEY ARE PUTTING THE MONEY IN
THEY ARE PUTTING THE MONEY IN THE ATTORNEY SIDE.
THE ATTORNEY SIDE. >> SPEAKING OF SIGNATURE
>> SPEAKING OF SIGNATURE GATHERING, WERE YOU SURPRISED
GATHERING, WERE YOU SURPRISED THAT HE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH
THAT HE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH SIGNATURES?
SIGNATURES? >> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A TUCSON
>> A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE A TUCSON ADDRESS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE THE
ADDRESS THAT LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY AND THAT CREATED A LOT OF
CITY AND THAT CREATED A LOT OF CONFUSION, I'M DISPOINTSED.
CONFUSION, I'M DISPOINTSED. AS WE TALKED EARLIER, THE
AS WE TALKED EARLIER, THE SOLUTION IS TO JUST SIMPLY
SOLUTION IS TO JUST SIMPLY DEFINE THE INTERSECTION LIKE IT
DEFINE THE INTERSECTION LIKE IT IS IN 48 OTHER STATES.
IS IN 48 OTHER STATES. ESPECIALLY EVERY OTHER STATE
ESPECIALLY EVERY OTHER STATE INSIDE THE LOWER 48 HAS THE RULE
INSIDE THE LOWER 48 HAS THE RULE THAT IT'S THE STOP LINE.
THAT IT'S THE STOP LINE. WE ARE THE ONLY STATE IN THE
WE ARE THE ONLY STATE IN THE LOWER 48 THAT SAID IT'S THE
LOWER 48 THAT SAID IT'S THE PROLONGATION, AND IT'S CREATING
PROLONGATION, AND IT'S CREATING ALL THE PROBLEMS.
ALL THE PROBLEMS. IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR, THAT IS
IF YOU WANT TO BE FAIR, THAT IS HOW YOU FIX IT.
HOW YOU FIX IT. MAKE THE DEFINITION OF THE
MAKE THE DEFINITION OF THE INTERSECTION THE SAME.
INTERSECTION THE SAME. >> YOU AGREE WITH FRANK ON THAT?
>> YOU AGREE WITH FRANK ON THAT? >> MAKE IT FAIR.
>> MAKE IT FAIR. IT'S LIKE YOU ARE TRICKING
IT'S LIKE YOU ARE TRICKING PEOPLE.
PEOPLE. YOU KNOW, AND ANY RATIONAL
YOU KNOW, AND ANY RATIONAL PERSON WILL THINK I'M OVER THE
PERSON WILL THINK I'M OVER THE STOP LINE INTO THE INTERSECTION,
STOP LINE INTO THE INTERSECTION, LIGHT GOES OFF AND YOU GO A HEAD
LIGHT GOES OFF AND YOU GO A HEAD AND MAKE YOUR TURN, NO, IT'S THE
AND MAKE YOUR TURN, NO, IT'S THE IMAGINE AND REALLY IT IS, IT'S
IMAGINE AND REALLY IT IS, IT'S THE IMAGINE NARR
THE IMAGINE NARR T
T -- IT'S THE IMAGINARY LINES,
-- IT'S THE IMAGINARY LINES, BUT JUST MAKE IT FAIR IF IT WENT
BUT JUST MAKE IT FAIR IF IT WENT TO BALLOT, HOW CLOSE WOULD IT
TO BALLOT, HOW CLOSE WOULD IT HAVE BEEN?
HAVE BEEN? >> A CLOSE ONE.
>> A CLOSE ONE.
>>.
>>. >> ESPECIALLY HERE, IF THEY KNEW
>> ESPECIALLY HERE, IF THEY KNEW HOW DISHONEST THE INTERSECTION
HOW DISHONEST THE INTERSECTION DEFINITION IS, THAT MIGHT HAVE
DEFINITION IS, THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN ENOUGH IF PEOPLE WERE
BEEN ENOUGH IF PEOPLE WERE EDUCATED ON IT.
EDUCATED ON IT. >> ANY COMMENTS?
>> ANY COMMENTS? >> I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE
>> I WAS NOT AWARE OF THE INTERSECTION DEDEFINITION, THATS
INTERSECTION DEDEFINITION, THATS INTERESTING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE
INTERESTING AND IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE.
IT MAKES SENSE. >> WE COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM,
>> WE COULD SOLVE THIS PROBLEM, BUT THE BELOVED GOVERNOR VETOED
BUT THE BELOVED GOVERNOR VETOED THE BILL.
THE BILL. >> STOP AT THE LINE.
>> STOP AT THE LINE. >> IMAGINARY LINE.
>> IMAGINARY LINE. >> AND WE HAVE THE PENSION
>> AND WE HAVE THE PENSION INITIATIVE SIGNATURES, THE
INITIATIVE SIGNATURES, THE PROPOSED PENSION REFORM
PROPOSED PENSION REFORM INITIATIVE, WHAT IS GOING ON?
INITIATIVE, WHAT IS GOING ON? >> THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH
>> THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH IT.
IT. THEY USED PEOPLE THAT APPEAR TO
THEY USED PEOPLE THAT APPEAR TO HAVE FELONY RECORDS.
HAVE FELONY RECORDS. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, AGAIN,
THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, AGAIN, THAT WERE THE SITUATION WHERE
THAT WERE THE SITUATION WHERE THEY GOT THE NOTARY AND
THEY GOT THE NOTARY AND NOTARIZED THE SIGNATURE, I
NOTARIZED THE SIGNATURE, I GATHERED THE SIGNATURES, BUT
GATHERED THE SIGNATURES, BUT THEN SOME OF THE SIGNATURES ARE
THEN SOME OF THE SIGNATURES ARE DATESED AFTER THE NOTARIZED
DATESED AFTER THE NOTARIZED SIGNATURES.
SIGNATURES. AND MULTIPLE DEFECTS AND
AND MULTIPLE DEFECTS AND PROBLEMS THERE.
PROBLEMS THERE. WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE HOW IT
WE HAVE TO WAIT TO SEE HOW IT PLAYS OUT.
PLAYS OUT. THERE WILL BE A RULING ON FRIDAY
THERE WILL BE A RULING ON FRIDAY ON IT BEFORE A JUDGE IN SUPERIOR
ON IT BEFORE A JUDGE IN SUPERIOR COURT.
COURT. THERE COULD BE ISSUES LIKE, FOR
THERE COULD BE ISSUES LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, IF ARIZONA, IF YOU
INSTANCE, IF ARIZONA, IF YOU HAVE A FIRST-TIME FELONY AND
HAVE A FIRST-TIME FELONY AND WHEN YOU FISHED YOUR SENTENCE,
WHEN YOU FISHED YOUR SENTENCE, YOUR PROBATION AND EVERYTHING,
YOUR PROBATION AND EVERYTHING, YOUR RIGHTS ARE RESTORED.
YOUR RIGHTS ARE RESTORED. MOST OF THE AREAS ARE OUT OF
MOST OF THE AREAS ARE OUT OF STATE FELONS.
STATE FELONS. IT COULD BE THAT THOSE PEOPLE
IT COULD BE THAT THOSE PEOPLE EITHER GOT THEIR RIGHTS RESTORED
EITHER GOT THEIR RIGHTS RESTORED AND ONE GIVE AWAY IS THAT YOU
AND ONE GIVE AWAY IS THAT YOU KNOW, THE PARAGRAPHS IN THE
KNOW, THE PARAGRAPHS IN THE LAWSUIT SAY, UPON INFORMATION
LAWSUIT SAY, UPON INFORMATION AND BELIEF.
AND BELIEF. IT MEANS THAT WE BELIEF THIS
IT MEANS THAT WE BELIEF THIS PERSON IS NOT A FELON BUT WE ARE
PERSON IS NOT A FELON BUT WE ARE NOT SURE.
NOT SURE. YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY
YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE WHERE THAT PERSON WAS
COURTHOUSE WHERE THAT PERSON WAS CONVICTED AND GET THE FILE
CONVICTED AND GET THE FILE PULLED FROM STORAGE AND SEE
PULLED FROM STORAGE AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY DID. SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD FALL
SO, YOU KNOW, IT COULD FALL APART, BUT I HOPE IT'S
APART, BUT I HOPE IT'S SUCCESSFUL.
SUCCESSFUL. BECAUSE THIS IS JUST, HORRIFIC.
BECAUSE THIS IS JUST, HORRIFIC. IT WILL BANKRUPT THE CITY.
IT WILL BANKRUPT THE CITY. >> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE
>> WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE MERITS OF THE PETITION OR THE
MERITS OF THE PETITION OR THE PENSION REFORM?
PENSION REFORM? >> YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING,
>> YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING, THEY CAME AND SPOKE TO US A
THEY CAME AND SPOKE TO US A MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SO, WE
MONTH AND A HALF AGO OR SO, WE DO NOT HAVE OUR FORMAL OPINION
DO NOT HAVE OUR FORMAL OPINION OR YET, WHETHER WE ENDORSE OR SO
OR YET, WHETHER WE ENDORSE OR SO ON.
ON. AT FIRST BLUSH, OUR BUSINESS
AT FIRST BLUSH, OUR BUSINESS ADVOCACY COMMITTEE RESPONDEDS
ADVOCACY COMMITTEE RESPONDEDS POSITIVELY TO THE PENSION
POSITIVELY TO THE PENSION REFORM.
REFORM. THEY CITY THE GAP, I THINK IT'S
THEY CITY THE GAP, I THINK IT'S 250 MILLION OR SO, THAT WILL
250 MILLION OR SO, THAT WILL HAVE A DEFICIT IF SOMETHING IS
HAVE A DEFICIT IF SOMETHING IS NOT DONE.
NOT DONE. WE ARE LOOKING AT IT CLOSELY AND
WE ARE LOOKING AT IT CLOSELY AND ONCE WE KNOW, I GUESS, NEXT
ONCE WE KNOW, I GUESS, NEXT FRIDAY, IN TERMS OF THE COURT
FRIDAY, IN TERMS OF THE COURT DAY, WE WILL BE DECIDING OUR
DAY, WE WILL BE DECIDING OUR POSITION AS THE BORED OF
POSITION AS THE BORED OF DREKERS.
DREKERS. >> FRANK, WHAT DO YOU THINK?
>> FRANK, WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED
>> IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED NOW WITH DETROIT.
NOW WITH DETROIT. THEIR UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY
THEIR UNFUNDED PENSION LIABILITY WAS KILLING THEM.
WAS KILLING THEM. THEY WERE GOING AWAY FROM
THEY WERE GOING AWAY FROM DEFINED BENEFITS TO DEFINED
DEFINED BENEFITS TO DEFINED COULD NOT CONTRIBUTION PLANS.
COULD NOT CONTRIBUTION PLANS. IT WILL PUT PEOPLE ON A 401-K,
IT WILL PUT PEOPLE ON A 401-K, AND THE PONZI SCHEME WILL NOT
AND THE PONZI SCHEME WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE.
WORK ANYMORE. YOU WILL NOT HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE
YOU WILL NOT HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE PAYING IN.
PAYING IN. BUT ONCE THAT PAIN GOES AWAY.
BUT ONCE THAT PAIN GOES AWAY. YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT
YOU HAVE A SYSTEM THAT WILL NOT LEAD TO THE DOWNFALL OF A
LEAD TO THE DOWNFALL OF A MUNICIPAL OR COUNTY OR STATE
MUNICIPAL OR COUNTY OR STATE GOVERNMENT IF WE WERE TO DO IT
GOVERNMENT IF WE WERE TO DO IT AT EVERY LEVEL.
AT EVERY LEVEL. THE LEGISLATURE PASSED IT LAST
THE LEGISLATURE PASSED IT LAST YEAR FOR EELECTRLE -- FOR ELECT
YEAR FOR EELECTRLE -- FOR ELECT OFFICIALS.
OFFICIALS. IT'S THE WORST OF ANY SYSTEM IN
IT'S THE WORST OF ANY SYSTEM IN THE STATE.
THE STATE. I HOPE THAT WE WORK THAT WAY
I HOPE THAT WE WORK THAT WAY THROUGH IT.
THROUGH IT. AND WE ARE NOT DOING IT TO
AND WE ARE NOT DOING IT TO CURRENT EMPLOYEES.
CURRENT EMPLOYEES. AND THAT WILL SAVE BILLIONS OF
AND THAT WILL SAVE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS DOWN THE ROAD IF WE DO
DOLLARS DOWN THE ROAD IF WE DO THAT AT EVERY LEVEL OF
THAT AT EVERY LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT.
GOVERNMENT. >> JEFF, YOUR THOUGHTS?
>> JEFF, YOUR THOUGHTS? >> I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU.
>> I DISAGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU. HISTORICALLY WE PAY PUBLIC
HISTORICALLY WE PAY PUBLIC EMPLOYEES.
EMPLOYEES. PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE PAID LESS
PUBLIC EMPLOYEES ARE PAID LESS THAN THOSE SAME COUNTERPARTS IN
THAN THOSE SAME COUNTERPARTS IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY, SO HAVING A
PRIVATE INDUSTRY, SO HAVING A GOOD PENSION IS THE WAY WE
GOOD PENSION IS THE WAY WE ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO PUBLIC
ATTRACT PEOPLE INTO PUBLIC SERVICE AND GOVERNMENT.
SERVICE AND GOVERNMENT. IN THE SHORT-TERM, IT WILL
IN THE SHORT-TERM, IT WILL BANKRUPT THE CITY, AND IN ORDER
BANKRUPT THE CITY, AND IN ORDER TO NOT BANKRUPT THE CITY, YOU
TO NOT BANKRUPT THE CITY, YOU HAVE TO LAYOFF.
HAVE TO LAYOFF. YOU THINK POTHOLES ARE BAD NOW.
YOU THINK POTHOLES ARE BAD NOW. WE ARE GOING TO BE RID OF POLICE
WE ARE GOING TO BE RID OF POLICE OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, THIS IS
OFFICERS, FIREFIGHTERS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM.
GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE NEW
YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE NEW PEOPLE PAYING INTO A SYSTEM THAT
PEOPLE PAYING INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS PAYING OUT.
IS PAYING OUT. RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT ONE PERSON
RIGHT NOW, IT'S ABOUT ONE PERSON PAYING IN FOR EVERY PERSON THAT
PAYING IN FOR EVERY PERSON THAT IS RETIRED.
IS RETIRED. NOBODY WILL BE PAYING IN AS THE
NOBODY WILL BE PAYING IN AS THE NEW HIRES COME IN.
NEW HIRES COME IN. AND THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN
AND THEY HAVE ALREADY TAKEN MAJOR STEPS TO REFORM THE
MAJOR STEPS TO REFORM THE PENSION PROGRAM HERE, THE CITY
PENSION PROGRAM HERE, THE CITY COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF
COUNCIL OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE MADE BENEFIT STRUCK
YEARS HAVE MADE BENEFIT STRUCK CHRS --
CHRS -- >> IT HAS DECREASED OVER THE
>> IT HAS DECREASED OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS.
LAST TWO YEARS. PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE
PART OF THAT WAS BECAUSE OF THE HORRIFIC ECONOMY THAT WE WENT
HORRIFIC ECONOMY THAT WE WENT THROUGH WAS THAT THE INVESTS
THROUGH WAS THAT THE INVESTS WERE NOT EARNING VERY MUCH MONEY
WERE NOT EARNING VERY MUCH MONEY AS WELL.
AS WELL. THERE'S MULTIPLE REASONS FOR IT,
THERE'S MULTIPLE REASONS FOR IT, IT'S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE
IT'S A PROBLEM ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND A FROB IN OUR PUBLIC
COUNTRY AND A FROB IN OUR PUBLIC SAFETY RETIREMENT FUND FOR THE
SAFETY RETIREMENT FUND FOR THE STATEWIDE, POLICE OFFICERS AND
STATEWIDE, POLICE OFFICERS AND FIREFIGHTERS.
FIREFIGHTERS. IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO
IT'S A PROBLEM THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS, I'M NOT FOR ELIMINATING
ADDRESS, I'M NOT FOR ELIMINATING IT, I'M FOR RESTRUCTURING THESE
IT, I'M FOR RESTRUCTURING THESE THINGS TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND
THINGS TO MAKE THEM BETTER AND MORE SOUND AND STILL GIVING A
MORE SOUND AND STILL GIVING A FAIR RETIREMENT.
FAIR RETIREMENT. >> MONEY IS COMING FROM AN OUT
>> MONEY IS COMING FROM AN OUT OF STATE GROUP THAT IS DOING
OF STATE GROUP THAT IS DOING THIS IN PLACES AROUND THE
THIS IN PLACES AROUND THE COUNTRY.
COUNTRY. >> I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE ONE OF
>> I'M NOT SURE THEY HAVE ONE OF THESE PENDING ANYWHERE ELSE.
THESE PENDING ANYWHERE ELSE. I THINK THEY LOOKED AT OUR CITY
I THINK THEY LOOKED AT OUR CITY SIZE AND SAID, LET'S MAKE IT A
SIZE AND SAID, LET'S MAKE IT A TEST CASE.
TEST CASE. IT'S A GROUP OUT OF NORTH
IT'S A GROUP OUT OF NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTH CAROLINA AND
CAROLINA AND SOUTH CAROLINA AND THEY ARE COMING IN HERE AND
THEY ARE COMING IN HERE AND GOING SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY.
GOING SPEND A BUNCH OF MONEY. I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE
I'M DISAPPOINTED TO SEE THE ZIMMERMANS WHO I HAVE KNOWN FOR
ZIMMERMANS WHO I HAVE KNOWN FOR A LONG TIME, BE IN BACK OF THIS.
A LONG TIME, BE IN BACK OF THIS. I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY ARE
I CANNOT BELIEVE THEY ARE BACKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
BACKING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. >> FRANK, YOU THINK THIS IS THE
>> FRANK, YOU THINK THIS IS THE WAY TO GO?
WAY TO GO? >> I MEAN, MOST PRIVATE
>> I MEAN, MOST PRIVATE CORPORATIONS HAVE DONE THIS OVER
CORPORATIONS HAVE DONE THIS OVER THE YEARS, BECAUSE THEY SAW IN
THE YEARS, BECAUSE THEY SAW IN THE LONG RUN, IT ADDS TO THE
THE LONG RUN, IT ADDS TO THE FINANCIAL HEALTH AND VIABILITY
FINANCIAL HEALTH AND VIABILITY TO THE COMPANIES.
TO THE COMPANIES. THE UNSUPPORTABLE PENSION PLANS,
THE UNSUPPORTABLE PENSION PLANS, YOU SWITCH FROM TOUCH LABOR TO
YOU SWITCH FROM TOUCH LABOR TO AUTOMATED LABOR, IT IMPACTS THE
AUTOMATED LABOR, IT IMPACTS THE BOTTOM LINE.
BOTTOM LINE. WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT ANY
WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT ANY DIFFERENT.
DIFFERENT. AS WE FIND OUT TO DELIVER
AS WE FIND OUT TO DELIVER SERVICES MORE EFFICIENTLY AND
SERVICES MORE EFFICIENTLY AND MORE EFFICIENT SERVICES, YOU
MORE EFFICIENT SERVICES, YOU HAVE TO REDUCE.
HAVE TO REDUCE. WHEN YOU ARE ROBBING PETER TO
WHEN YOU ARE ROBBING PETER TO PAY PAUL AND IT STARTS TO FALL
PAY PAUL AND IT STARTS TO FALL DOWN, YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO
DOWN, YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL AND IT
ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL AND IT STARTS TO FALL.
STARTS TO FALL. >> WE ARE OUT OF TIME.
>> WE ARE OUT OF TIME. I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING
I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR ANOTHER LIVELY