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let's get right to our interview with doctor daryl *** we spoke to him just
before the start of today's show
gel raisin organizational psychologist consultant and author of the god virus
how religion infects our lives and culture and he's also founder of the
organization recovering
from religion
duh doctorate this is fantastic i'm so glad to speak to i've so many questions
you did this study which involved fourteen thousand five hundred
respondents and tell me what was the goal of doing the study and then what
did you find out
well we are looking at six hypotheses but the overall goals just find out
what's going on in the secular community or as as
most people know
almost all religions are pretty consumed with sex
and we just want know what happens when you leave
i guess the biggest thing that we found was the
level of guilt the people experience around their sex or sexuality drops trip
amazingly
i mean in other words secularists just
don't seem to have much guilt one select religion well i would argue probably a
lot of more religious people would say that's the problem with a yes right they
don't feel guilty about this is the stuff of doing one of which would be
having sex
exactly exactly
wet winter ever it doesn't matter with your christian or more men or moslem or
hindu or brutus
every religion seems consumed with sex and sexuality and they all had their own
unique little twist on it
where what they've found is that sex keeps you coming back and i i talk about
this in my book the gun buyers
and that was why the reasons i wanted it to do the research
well i kind i talk about the concept of the guilt cycle as a new concept on
seeing anybody's ever read about our written about it before where i was
writing about it
the guild cycle simply is pretty simple it's that religion teaches you the
disease and then gives you a faults cure for that cds
so arisen teaches you gal an intern trenches although we can absolve you but
guilt of the just come back our particular church
no i don't leave your background is do you
you know a lot of this year actually raised the fundamentalist christian is
that right only now i think you consider yourself an atheist but that was your
upbringing fundamentalist christian
very much so my parents even became michener's my grandfather was a country
church
minister might other grandfather was chairman of board of a very spencer
teacher chain
i've got relatives that are missionaries in ministers even today so
esprit strong in my family so how do you end up i mean i spoke with uh...
interestingly enough here in kansas i spoke with nathan phelps is one of the
sons of fred phelps of course the god hates *** church
he laughed and he told this incredible story about leaving at midnight on his
eighteenth birthday
it's an unusual story in the sense that much the same way that
ones politics
often mirror those of their parents i think religion even more so tends to how
did you end up believing
well nathan is actually a friend of mine he's actually been to my house islands
we have a good
a kind of interesting relationship but
steering slopping stories such
there was a long process for me and i might my family did the best they could
and their religion was an important part of it
i dot by now
so hold any grudges turning against my family i just
again at one point i'm i i went into the minister and about a masters degree in
in their religion
and pursue your college brokers for christian workers before i went on to
get my doctor at vanderbilt
at i'd psychology
and i just after going through two years of that stuff i realize i couldn't tell
somebody else to believe what i did believe so
it was a slow process outside family had a kid's lots of and not be a very
religious and was you know all that stuff that keeps you
is generally believed
consultant a puppy
was able to make break after i got divorced
and there was a war zone
some perspective outside of
outside of
having to go to church every sunday and it was almost unheard of that nobody
would go to tim i would not go to church every sunday my fam so then you had was
that that was awful
hia so it's a eventually you become an atheist you do this study now you can
understand where many would say well you're coming out this from a very
particular perspective some when you say as many of the headlines do
a fee is to have the best sex lives
you can understand why people would say will hold on a second this guy is
looking for this particular answer he's already
uh... the heat he's already bought into one side of the argument
well that's uh...
yeah that's the criticism but
undecideds first-time i'm not x religion a stern a p_s_ type i want to know the
truth that i'm after what's the real facts out there not
i'm not trying to support my opinion one way or the other and ask and that's why
there was
there were so many surprises we had
a number of different things but one of the checks we have several checks uh...
david entertainer research
we have forty thousand finer people felt about almost ten thousand completed it
we have to do it
say that there's two different numbers here
and assess our sixty five percent completion rate
and we had sixty nine questions it took about an hour for people to fill this
out online
and we had no control over over who took it
anymore than other sex researchers have control so that one the biggest
criticisms we get is there was a randomized well
i defy you to find a randomized *** study just not possible tears you know i
interviewed paul cameron the incredible anti gay ex-gay tight activist than he
once had
uh... but uh... assumptions based on seventeen people filling out a survey he
personally gave them so certainly we after
whether that information he still stood by those results by the way
you know that the thing that isn't part of this study that i would be interested
to compare to his
what is the *** satisfaction of people who are still practicing their
original religion 'cause we're looking at people who have left their religion
and it might be interesting to have those other numbers to compare to
it would be but you know if you out you
uh... put up survey up on that baptist church website and said answer the sixty
nine questions
uh... beckon we wouldn't get there very active stationary
uh... because some of the questions we ask are pretty
they are pretty wild with respect to religion a cell like when did you start
***
bugging us possibly *** if you're back to skirt ask so
s_k_s_ we'll probably wouldn't be able to get people to respond to all and
however how ironic by the way that the sixty nine questions in this test the
will lead to believe that for different day
can you had read a little bit
we did not attend venue address any specific *** practices more common
among mormons we should be keeping an eye out now that mit romney is a
republican front-runner
well i don't if you've looked at the survey if you'll notice up then what are
the internal checks is
is there a difference by denomination in guilt level a lot of questions we ask
was when you were still religions
uh... how much how much guilt we've talked
analyst wonder skeleton of what uh... scale one to ten skin
well what week down as we could actually
classify and groups denominations by how much they used gal
well you may not you may be surprised to know that catholics of course are the
ones that everybody says the most guilt-ridden religion
our research shows something different our research actually shows being number
one most guilt didn't religion among the fourteen thousand five hundred people we
question
is known as a
so gather some stuff there and what we found as we've got some fascinating
stuff we found that
that unitarian sardine lee skill
ridden people in
but in our whole sample even less guilt in eighty s and agnostics
which is interesting and we're going to do is figure on that scale
accuser very much on the low int but we have to recover we probably got a lot of
cultural jews in our sample
people who are raised three
three secular to begin with i dot byrd former orthodox jews filled out our sir
and you know it's interesting because uh... uh...
might my producer feels an incredible amount of guilt when it comes to ***
activity but it's not so much because of the religion it's more he just feels bad
for the women that are subjected to his advances you know
it
uh... my research to look at that beach that haven't even extended thank
aliso so in general words are not saying that you can say specifically that a is
have the best sex lies but what it seems to be very clear
is that the amount of guilt associated with *** activity seems to decrease
significantly when not bound by the teachings of a particular religion
you you captured it perfectly that's exactly what we say in those darn
headlines you know
journalism edema read the report
say that second we have better ages said better sex is just
we didn't say that
we say yes less guilt around sex
that probably i mean i would guess that leads to better sex but i can't prove
that i didn't that wasn't what i was studying weekend on anybody's bedroom we
didn't count orgasms mean kappa number of organisms
we don't look at other research though and there is some other research not
directly related to religion
and why the criticisms of course is that your she's
stetson budget eight yes but a lot of our people
why they will tell us how it was were very dedicated
to a religion at one point in time we had seventh-day adventists stamped as we
have buddhists hindus and moslems
catholics we have all
uh... so
there's there's quite a bit of
uh... former religiosity here some these people were sent to school teachers and
when going to church three or four times a week they were very dedicated to their
religion
so the questions we asked
where rebel okay how did this work for you when you were religious versus have
when you left
and wherever compare all these different we had twenty
eight different religions
lights up identified religions in this sample so now we can discriminate
between these and find out
you know what's the matter the teachings cat
the focus of each one of the sin
we got some real interesting results for example it doesn't matter how religious
she works on these people
and even gone to ration it only training and that sort of stuff when they were to
religious
it did not matter how religious you weren't you started *** about
the same time as a non religiously raise child i've you know i did read that and
i encourage everybody to go check out the study i look through it and it's
fascinating uh... we've been speaking with the url ray
organizational psychologist author of the god virus and uh... you know i think
the next study that you should do
is let's look at the bizarre *** practices of the anti gay zealots i
think that my audience would be fascinated by that
uh... doctor delray great to talk to you thanks so much thank you david ok take
care
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