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really curious what your
take is on this because basically president clinton
uh... published an op ed in the washington post
where he said that the bill he signed into law i think it was was it seventeen
or eighteen years ago sometime in the nineties when i hear it was blissfully
unaware of these issues as a
eleven-year-old ten-year-old of geraldo was he signed the defense of marriage
act into law
uh... and he's come out now and he said that this is an unconstitutional act but
he still
odd kind of defended why he cited to begin with i want to know what you think
about that and
you notice president clinton declared deserve credit here
it's like to see the sizzling usd
netbanking again lead to let me just let me do it when i i credit would be
singled you know i'm going to bring some of you want to this which is i don't
think you can pay
that he was going to have to go director terrible but you can't they wouldn't you
know people back a don't ask don't tell
at his relative the path of a repeal of the matter that was the progressive
policy in ninety three in preventing could be explained expanded
from capitol pushing
uh... that would have moved forward ido i remember going to be able to get the
famed but i you know i well you will
dude studying abroad
uh... you know in college in ninety three
nine eleven hero but you yelled *** sounds pans out
disconnect
i've just added
buzzcocks
you take a break
uh... because i seriously but i mean i i would think in england and and give you
know they're they're having a debate on the campus could do it by a right after
i was part of the college democrats where we intend to go on and i want off
to go
study abroad england contend they did not lifted their their ban on gays in
the military everyone
we're heading down at that point
and they were a member having an argument with a guy i thought i was
friends with their we'd like we don't want gave the military we're not gonna
go the way you got another little blood to do you have to remember even by the
wheel we look to europe for two more progressive placed
palace sort of a progressive direction
jumping dahmer was terrible but you don't need to remind yourself
wealth of the river delta
that's right
you know i mean
ypsilanti interview that he was a pretty comparable by standing up for what he
believed was right against that you we would be only god to do it
i think
that there were two thing going on there i think that there were there we are in
a different place as everybody know how we know two thousand four people running
into gay marriage is a warning issued now look where we are i mean we've moved
so far so well on the issue i think it's model
issue for a lot of us
or work and other issues from from a reasonable gun policies to repair
reproductive justice in many other things that we care about
uh... he's looking at how allow people would feel successful when it's coming
to expanding gay rights and i would think that
that they would have been looted different it was a different dynamic in
the nineties of dvd jesse helms was in the senate
about a block ambassadors to there do they do they're covered hoopla he talk
about what it used to be chuck hagel
jesse helms blocked bill weld william weld the former governor of
massachusetts
who was in very pro-gay rights was acting actual much more the libertarian
and ran paul will ever be uh...
who who was very pro-gay rights massachusetts that would be twenty
excuses jesse helms used from blocking him to be from being a bathroom exploded
bill clinton
to just a few people have to understand where we were
then you need to know what would you look back
into out all history you have to look at things within the context of the unit
three behaviors are wrong and i'll let bill clinton off of completely
collateral but paul wellstone blew off the hook
and he seven senators widely voted in favor of that
sorts also have to really get to work in political strategy behind it but i think
there were some people that otherwise were in favor of gay rights
it said we need to do this to stop a constitutional discusses so that i
thought that was actually very interesting to see this sort of slot
it off the table to a degree there was a marched action shrine discrimination in
the constitution
and those smart move at that time
was actually sign this bill
get away from that conversation
analysis it his political may have been right you know i mean don't you know i i
worked in the election ninety six
um... uh... polling came out one part of the the white house to the policy
apparatus so i can't speak to you
what we're going on behind closed doors but i do think that there probably some
of that sentiment ideally polling numbers are showing that you know we
want the country we are down when it comes to gay like looking at that makes
it right
also you could let me do you think politically because you'll be isn't baby
seem bad but i'm what abt batting point i'd like you don't ask don't tell the
don't ask don't tell it step four
so weekly should lead more on the issue may be shipped bought more accordingly
more people akal paul wellstone
couple of more before it
until we can be critical but again you wanted important here understanding that
this was such a different country
uh... back then in terms of how we view deviations overall
elected now nothing individuals hero like like ourself
uh... you know and it has gotten the wrong on issues before traditionally
have been
but overall
new orleans saying that that
people were words were not fighting for gay rights packwood and uh... you know
it was a movement was a lot further behind word is now as you say
for what he
arguably as far as i read it lost congress in ninety four and pushing for
a gay rights in the military complex was a big reason for that arguably
politically psychologically i tend to believe there are a part of this is a
yale and so
i think we have to look at all that william people
who i am close but just to have a number of venture or gay rights activists issue
i feel a lot of the issues social issues are ones at that time you know quality
for people passionately through enemy to be and that's what it your audition i
don't happen to work on
uh... pretty quiet training but i feel strongly that i write about i speak
about it and uh... i think most of my friend in the community would would view
it that way it was sort of protective action back then
of the doesn't make it
writing to make it free of blame necessarily a bit cutting cut more
complicated straight i think that you know what he's doing right now in
speaking out the way he has is hugely important and maybe will help us
although again eating goes in for the supreme court logically it sitting there
so i i i don't necessarily like a rock
rhodes ady loose in the hands and school yes