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>> YOU BE THE JUDGE.
THE FAA HAS SPOKEN.
UP NEXT ON "OFF THE RECORD."
>> HELLO AND WELCOME TO OUR
CONVERSATION.
WE TALK ABOUT NEWS AGAIN THIS
WEEK.
JOINING ME IS HERB WHITE WITH
THE "THE CHARLOTTE POST" AND,
STEVE CRUMP MY GOOD FRIEND FROM
WBTV.
WELCOME TO Y'ALL.
>> THANK YOU.
>> LAST WEEK YOU SAID THE FAA
MOVES AT THEIR OWN PACE AND IN
FACT THEY MOVED THIS WEEK.
>> THEY DID.
AS YOU MENTIONED EVERY WEEK
THURSDAY THE BIG NEWS AS WE GET
READY FOR THE SHOW AND IT
HAPPENED AGAIN YESTERDAY.
THE FAA HAS ESSENTIALLY SAID =
YOU TAKE IT AND NOT RULED ON THE
AIRPORT WHICH IS PART OF THE
PROCESS THAT WOULD PUT THIS
COMMISSION IN CHARGE.
INSTEAD, IT'S BACK TO COURT AND
REALLY BACK WHERE WE STARTED IN
TERMS OF FIGURING OUT WHETHER
THIS BILL TAKES EFFECT AND HOW
IT TAKES EFFECT AND SO NOW WE'RE
INTO THIS NITTY GRITTY WITH
LEGAL LANGUAGE AND MR. CRUMP
WITH IN THERE HEARING THEM TALK
ABOUT IT.
>> WE'RE REALLY IN THE WEEDS
SIMPLY BECAUSE I'LL GIVE YOU TWO
ATHLETIC ANALOGIES ONE IS A
TENNIS MATCH.
BASICALLY, THE COURTS SERVED IT
TO THE FAA.
THE FAA RETURNED SERVED TO THE
STATE COURT WHICH WILL GO BACK
TO THE FAA.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WHOLE
LANGUAGE OF THE LEGISLATION,
WHAT WAS SAID IN THE COURTS,
EVEN THE WAY THAT THE ATTORNEY
GENERAL WEIGHED IN ON IT IN THE
STATE OF NORTH CAROLINA THERE'S
STILL A LOT OFAMBIGUITY.
THE OTHER ANALOGY, THE HOME BASE
EMPIRE REFERRING TO THE BASE
UMPIRE DID HE GO AROUND ON IT.
IT COMES DOWN TO IS A LOCAL BILL
OR STATE BILL.
IF IS A STATE BILL.
MCCRORY MAY WEIGH IN IT.
THE JOCKEYING FOR POSITION, YOU
MAY HAVE MCCRORY HAVING TO SIGN
OFF IT EVENTUALLY IF IT GOES
BACK TO THE LEGISLATURE WHICH
MEANS MR. FOX IS SITTING ON THE
SIDELINES IN TERMS OF RECUSING
HIMSELF FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF
BEING IN THE OBAMA
ADMINISTRATION MAY HAVE A SAY IN
THIS AFTER ALL IN HERB USING
STEVE'S ANALOGY OF SPORTS AND
BOTH TEAMS ARE RUSHED TO THE NET
AND PROCLAIMED VICTORY
YESTERDAY?
>> I GUESS THEY WOULD BUT ON THE
OTHER HAND THE REST OF THE
SPECTATORS ARE GOING [LAUGHTER]
>> RIGHT. THERE'S STILL A LOT TO
PLAY OUT WITH THIS MATCH,
OBVIOUSLY.
HOW THE BILL CAME ABOUT, WHO'S
SUPPOSED TO TAKE POSSESSION OF
WHAT IS I GUESS WHAT THE FAA IS
ULTIMATELY GOING TO SIGN OFF ON.
>> IT IS CLEAR I'M NOT AN
ATTORNEY.
BUT IT SEEMS TO ME THAT NOW IT'S
ABOUT DOES THE STATE OF NORTH
CAROLINA, A LEGISLATIVE CREATING
THINGS, INCLUDING CITIES.
DOES THAT TRUMP OR IS THAT
REALLY THE TRUMP CARD IN THE
EQUATION?
>> IT WOULD SEEM TO BE WHEN YOU
LOOK AT THIS CERTAINLY THE
AIRPORT COMMISSION PEOPLE THINK
IT IS AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
STATE CONSTITUTION EVERYTHING
PLAYS INTO WHAT YOU SAID.
WHAT YOU HAVE IS A CONVERSATION
ABOUT THE STATE CONSTITUTION AND
THE CONTROL OVER CHARLOTTE AND
THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE
A DEBATE THAT IS FULL OF NUANCES
ABOUT HOW THIS BILL WAS WRITTEN
AND REMEMBER HERE'S THE KEY
POINT ABOUT THE BILL.
ORIGINALLY, OR TWO WEEKS BEFORE
THE FINAL VERSION PASSED IT WAS
TO CREATE A STAND ALONE BODY
THAT WAS NOT PART OF CITY
GOVERNMENT AND MORFED INTO ONE
BECAUSE OF CONCERNS ABOUT THESE
KINES OF PROBLEMS.
>> AND THE CERTIFICATES OF
OPERATIONS.
>> AND THE BONDS AND EMMINENT
DOMAIN.
OKAY, SO THEY'VE WENT THROUGH
THIS THING LIKE THAT AND SO
THAT'S WHY ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS
ARE CREEPING UP AND SO THE REAL
QUESTION IS DID THEY TIDY UP
EVERYTHING TO THE EXTENT THAT A
JUDGE WILL LOOK AT IT AND SAY IT
COMPLIES.
THAT'S WHERE WITH ARE.
>> WE INTERVIEWED MALCOLM
GRAHAM, STATE SENATOR WHO IS
TRYING TO HOLD ONTO THE AIRPORT.
HE CAME TO THE BOB HAGEMANN NEWS
CONFERENCE AT CHARLOTTE CITY HAL
AND SAYS LOOK THIS IS WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU CRAFT BILLS
TOGETHER AT 1:30 IN THE MORNING.
>> THERE MAYBE TRUTH TO THAT.
OBVIOUSLY, THE OTHER SIDE AND
THE STATE CONSTITUTION EXPLAINS
ALL OF THIS BUT I THINK IF YOU
READ THESE LETTERS FROM THE FAA,
FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL'S
OFFICE, THERE IS SO MUCH
LANGUAGE THAT LEAVES YOU IN
DOUBT.
IT'S FULL OF AMBIGUITY AND
THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS
QUESTION.
>> SO THE QUESTION ROLLING
AROUND THE LEGISLATIVE LADIES
AND GENTLEMEN
>> FROM EVERYTHING I'VE HEARD
IT'S REALLY ABOUT THE
LEGISLATIVE AND WHAT THEY PUT
TOGETHER AT 1:30 THE MORNING
BECAUSE I THINK THE STATE
CONSTITUTION IS CLEAR.
>> MAY BE THEY NEEDED TO BE MORE
AWAKE OR AWARE OF WHAT IS BEING
DONE.
BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU THE
IMPRESSION THAT MAY BE IT WAS
JUST KIND OF THROWN TOGETHER.
>> SLOPPY.
>> HEY, IT'S GOING TO BE A LOCAL
BILL.
THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO
SIGN OFF ON IT.
THE FOLKS IN CHARLOTTE WILL ROLL
OVER, NO PROBLEM.
>> HERE'S THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT
AND I THOUGHT IT WAS KIND OF
FUNNY SINCE ERIK AND I WERE IN
THE SAME NEWS CONFERENCE AT
FORMER MAYOR'S OFFICE AND IT WAS
MARCUS BRACKETT WHO SHARED YOU
GUYS AREN'T LAWYERS BUT IT'S ONE
OF THOSE THINGS WHERE I'M SURE
THAT WHEN BRACKETT AND WHO ARE
BOTH ATTORNEY AND SEASONED
ATTORNEYS AND BRACKETT WHO HAS
WORKED IN GOVERNMENT AND OTHER
ENTITIES WHEN THEY WERE READING
THE RULE, THEY HAD TO BE YOU'VE
GOT TO BE KIDDING.
>> IT WAS INTERESTED.
HE EVEN WENT TO THE PAINS OF
SAYING LOOK LAWYERS MUDDY THINGS
UP, THEY CONFUSE THINGS.
THIS ISN'T THAT DIFFICULT BUT OF
COURSE THE DEVIL'S IN THE
DETAILS AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE.
>> HERB, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME
THAT THE ONE MOST ANXIOUS TO GET
THIS MOVED BACK INTO THE COURTS
WOULD BE THOSE THAT SUPPORT THE
AIRPORT COMMISSION.
>> YEAH, BECAUSE IT ULTIMATELY I
GUESS DEPENDING ON HOW THE
LANGUAGE IS PARSES YOU CAN GET A
GO AHEAD ON THIS BUT THERE'S
STILL A LOT OF DETAILS TO BE
WORKED OUT AND IF YOU'RE NOT A
LAWYER, WHICH WE AREN'T, THAT'S
WHAT MAKES IT SO CONFUSING
BECAUSE YOU JUST CAN'T FIGURE IT
OUT AT THIS POINT.
>> LAWYERS AND POLITICIANS GO
AHEAD.
>> IT COMES DOWN TO WHICH
TECHNICALITY DO YOU GO AFTER?
DO YOU GO AFTER THE WAY THE BILL
WAS WRITTEN?
DO YOU GO AFTER THE FINANCIAL
STRUCTURE OF THE $800 MILLION IN
BONDS.
DO YOU GO AFTER THE ISSUE OF
HOME RULE, I.E. MECKLENBURG
COUNTY VERSUS A STATE BILL AND
IN ALL FAIRNESS PERHAPS THE FAA
BASICALLY IS SAYING WE DON'T
HAVE A DOG IN THAT FIGHT IN THAT
REGARD.
WE'RE NOT EXPERTS AS IT RELATES
TO THE NORTH CAROLINA
CONSTITUTION BUT WE CAN TELL YOU
HOW TO RUN AN AIRPORT.
>> THAT WAS ANOTHER THING CAME
THROUGH IN THE LETTER TO THE
CITY THAT THE FAA IS SAYING
THERE ARE SO MANY UNANSWERED
QUESTIONS HERE.
THERE ARE SO MANY TECHNICALITIES
THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO MESS
WITH THE AIRPORT.
WE'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT IN THE
HANDS OF THE CITY UNTIL YOU
RESOLVE THIS IN COURT AND OF
COURSE THE AIRPORT COMMISSION
AND BRACKETT ARE SUPPOSED TO
FILE A RESPONSE NO LATER THAN
MONDAY AND THEN IT WILL BE UP TO
JUST ROBERT IRVING TO FIGURE OUT
HOW SOON THIS HEADS BACK TO THE
COURTROOM.
>> MEANWHILE, ON MONDAY, THE
CITY COUNCIL WENT AHEAD AND
BEGAN TO MAKE SOME OF ITS
AIRPORT COMMISSION MEMBER
SELECTION.
>> AND WHAT'S INTERESTING IN
THAT BECAUSE SOME OF US HAVE
KIND OF LOOKED AT THIS WHOLE
MATTER SAYING OKAY WELL WHY IS
THE CITY DOING THIS IF IN FACT
THEY ARE OPPOSED TO IT?
AND THEY'RE COVERING THEMSELVES
FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHERE
OKAY WE'RE GOING TO PLAY ALONG
WITH THIS EVEN WE TALKED TO
JERRY ORIE, FIRST MEETING IN
THIS NEW COMMISSION IS GOING TO
BE IN MID OCTOBER.
>> A LOT OF WORK TO DO.
>> YEAH, A LOT OF WORK TO DO AND
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE AHEAD AND
THAT WHOLE THING AND THE REALITY
IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE
CITY APPOINTEES THERE ARE NAMES
THAT ARE VERY FAMILIAR.
YOU HAVE ANTHONY ONE X FOX WHO
WAS A FORMER CITY ATTORNEY.
YOU HAVE PAM SYFERT, THE FORMER
CITY MANAGER.
>> WHO MAY BE FAMILIAR SOMEWHAT
WITH THAT AIRPORT.
>> RIGHT AND WHO KIND OF HAD
ISSUES WITH JERRY ORIC.
>> ONE X ANTHONY FOX WAS A
MEMBER OF THE CRVA BOARD AT ONE
POINT.
>> THE QUASI GOVERNMENT SIDE OF
IT.
>> WHAT DO WE MAKE OF THESE
SELECTIONS?
YOU CLEARLY HAVE A FORMER CITY
MANAGER, JERRY ORIE'S FORMER
BOSS?
>> I TELL YOU ONE THING THAT
IT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THAT
ALREADY BEGAN TO TEASE OUT
YESTERDAY.
SEVERAL OF US WERE ASKING BOB
HAGEMANN, THE CITY ATTORNEY
ABOUT JERRY BEING PAID.
HE DEFLECTED BUT MADE REMARK
ABOUT SAYING UNDERCH BUSY BEEN A
PART OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION
SO FAR BUT NOW WE HAVE BOARD
MEMBERS THAN CERTAINLY WAS A
HINT TOWARDS MAYBE THINGS ARE
GOING A DIFFERENT DIRECTION
BECAUSE THEY WOULD CONTROL
JERRY'S FATE.
AT THE SAME TIME LATER THAT SAME
AFTERNOON, JERRY VENRE SAID VERY
NICE THINGS ABOUT THE BOARD
MEMBERS.
IT'S A COIN FLIP NOW BUT LOOK,
WHO YOU THINK THAT PAM SYFERT
WOULD DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN
OPPOSE THE AIRPORT BEING TAKEN
AWAY FROM CITY GOVERNMENT?
>> YOU TALK ABOUT MR. ORE BEING
NICE AND ALL OF THE OTHER STUFF.
WOULDN'T YOU BE WITH YOUR BOSSES
COMING ALONG?
>> THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STRUCTURE
BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO MORE CARDS
TO BE PLAYED HERE.
ONE COMES FROM PATSY KINSEY WHO
IS THE MAYOR.
SHE GETS, I BELIEVE, THREE
APPOINTMENTS THIS ONE AND THE
MECKLENBURG COUNTY COMMISSION.
THEY GET THEIR SHARE OF
APPOINTMENTS AS WELL.
THE QUESTION IS IN WHAT REGARD
WILL THE DECKING STACKED HERE.
>> THE 13 BOARD MEMBERS WILL
COME FROM THE COUNTY, THE CITY
COUNCIL.
>> THAT WAS PART OF THE HATCHED
TOGETHER 1:30 IN THE MORNING
LEGISLATION SAYING WE'RE GOING
TO GIVE CHARLOTTE A BIGGER
VOICE.
>> IN PREVIOUS ADVISORY
COMMITTEES, THE AIRPORT ADVISORY
COMMITTEE, CERTAINLY PREVIOUS
MAYORS MAY HAVE MADE THEIR
ADVISORY APPOINTMENTS OUT IN THE
REGION.
NOT SAYING THAT MAYOR KINSEY
WOULD DO THAT BUT IF I REMEMBER
RIGHT I REMEMBER MAYOR VINRUE
REPRESENTED THE BROADER REGION.
>> IN ALL DUE RESPECT.
WHAT I THINK HAPPENED WITH THE
OTHER ONES THEY DID NOT MAKE
POLICY.
THEY PRETTY MUCH JUST RUBBER
STAMPED WHATEVER JERRY WANTED TO
DO.
>> I THINK THAT IS THE
INTERESTING PART TO WATCH HERE
BECAUSE THIS IS A MUCH MORE
ACTIVE GROUP.
THAT ADVISORY COMMITTEE WAS JUST
WHAT IT WAS.
THAT SOUNDS GREAT, JERRY.
>> TALKING ABOUT THE BOOM, WE'LL
SOUND OFF ON IT.
>> I THINK THIS ONE, THE
SCRUTINY, THE THE PRESSURE OF IT
IS GOING TO DEMAND MORE OF THE
CANDIDATES.
>> COULD THIS BOARD, THIS
COMMISSION ONCE IT'S PUT
TOGETHER EVEN VOTE ITSELF OUT OF
EXISTENCE.
>> THAT'S INTERESTING.
>> I'M SAYING.
>> HERE'S THE THING THOUGH AND
I'M GOING TO DEFER HERE.
THIS IS ONE OF THOSE WE'RE
TALKING ABOUT DOUG MAZE FOR THE
BROADCASTS UP WHEELING US IN.
WHAT I THINK IS THE INTREPID
WATERS.
YOU HAVE THIS WHOLE SCENARIO OF
WHERE BILLABLE HOURS WITH
RICHARD VINRUT AND MARCUS
BRACKET IF YOU REMEMBER PAUL
WHITFIELD AND THE AL MOST HOTEL
WHO DID WORK FOR THE STIFF
CHARLOTTE WHO HAD TO SUE THE
CITY TO GET PAID.
THE QUESTION IS VINRUT AND THE
BOYS AND ROBINSON AND BRADSHAW.
THE FAN METER IS ON.
YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT DOING THIS
FOR FREE.
>> YOU MENTIONED THE CANDIDATES
AND I GUESS IT'S NOW OFFICIAL
BOTHER PATRICK CANNON AND EDWIN
PEACOCK ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL.
THEIR FIRST STOP WAS DOWN TO
PINEHURST FOR THE CHAMBER
RETREAT WHERE THEY WERE ABLE TO
SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS.
IN RELATION TO THE AIRPORT,
HERB, WHAT DO THE TWO CANDIDATE
DO'S WITH THAT FROM A MESSAGING
POINT OF VIEW?
>> I THINK THEY'RE BOTH PRETTY
MUCH OPPOSED TO THE AIRPORT
BEING TAKEN AWAY BUT ONCE WE GET
PASSED THAT IF THE ULTIMATE
MESSAGE IS THE SAME DO YOU
DELIVER IT DIFFERENTLY?
I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN DELIVER
IT DIFFERENTLY AT THIS POINT.
EITHER YOU'RE FOR IT OR AGAINST
IT.
HOW THEY MANAGE TO GET THAT INTO
A POLITICAL ARENA AND CAMPAIGN
ON IT, I THINK THAT COULD BE A
LITTLE DIFFICULT.
>> IT MAY BE A BROADER
CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW I COULD
REPRESENT THE CITY IN RALEIGH.
>> YEAH, AND I THINK THAT IS A
VERY INTERESTING QUESTION,
PARTICULARLY FOR EDWIN PEACOCK,
WHO WE'VE MENTIONED SEVERAL
TIMES BEFORE.
HE'S A MODERATE REPUBLICAN.
15 TO 20 YEARS AGO I THINK EDWIN
PEACOCK IS A SHOE IN TO BECOME
MAYOR.
OBVIOUSLY A DIFFERENT CITY AND
DIFFERENT VOTERS.
HE WANTS TO SHOW HE'S MODERATE.
HE OPPOSED SAME SEX AMENDMENT
NOW THAT'S UNDER THE CONTROL OF
THE MAYOR.
AND AT THE SAME TIME HE WANTS TO
GO TO RALEIGH AND HAVE A BETTER
RELATIONSHIP BUT HE'S AGAINST
THE AIRPORT BEING TAKEN AWAY.
HE'S AGAINST A LOT OF THESE
ISSUES.
>> AND HOW WELL WILL A MODERATE
PLAY IN RALEIGH?
>> I MEAN JUST LOOK WHAT IS
HAPPENING IN D.C. LOOK AT JOHN
BOEHNER WITH THE TEA PARTY.
>> IT'S AMPLIFIED MORE SO AS YOU
LOOK AT THE HIT IN THE
REPUBLICAN PARTY.
IT'S THE GREAT STATE OF
MECKLENBURG.
HERE THEY COME AGAIN.
AND WHERE MECKLENBURG IS THE
TAIL THAT WAGS THE DOG OF THE
LEGISLATURE.
>> AN URBAN SPLIT.
I'VE MENTIONED IT SEVERAL TIMES
THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE THE CITY
COUNCIL THAT'S FIGHTING WITH,
IT'S THE RING OF CHARLOTTE.
IT'S CORNELIUS.
OVER JILL FROM MATH VIRGIL FROM
MATTHEWS.
>> THE OTHER SORT OF BIG STORY
COMING OFF OF THE CITY SIDE THIS
WEEK WAS THE CITIZENS REVIEW
STUDY THAT CAME OUT.
I GUESS THIS NOW MOVES DOWN THE
LINE TO A CITY COMMITTEE FOR
MORE CONVERSATION IN.
>> YEAH, A TASK FORCE MADE 12
RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVING OR
CHANGING THE CITIZENS REVIEW
BOARD, BUT I GUESS THE REALLY
BIG NEWS THAT CAME OUT OF IT
WASN'T A RECOMMENDATION THAT WAS
MADE BUT RATHER RECOMMENDATION
THAT WASN'T AND THAT WAS THE
ABILITY TO ISSUE SUBPOENAS AND
DO INVESTIGATIONS OFF HAND.
>> AND THAT'S THE WHOLE THING,
GOING BACK TO 1997, WHEN THIS
THING HAPPENED.
YOU HAVE THE JAMES COOPER
SHOOTING.
CAROLYN BETTEKER AND WENDY GAYLE
THOMPSON.
WHAT IS AMAZING 15 YEARS LATER
YOU HAVE SOME OF THE SAME FOLKS
THAT ARE SAYING NO.
HAD YOU GUYS SET UP IN THE LATE
90S DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH TEETH
IN IT AND WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE
TO DO AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
NUMBERS WHERE THEY'VE BEEN 78
EPISODES, 78 INCIDENTS THAT COME
TO THE REVIEW OF THIS BOARD AND
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY'VE SIDED
WITH THE POLICE.
LIKE CITIZENS' 0.
CMPD78 AND THAT RAISES A LOT OF
QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW FAR DO
WE GO TO MAKE THIS RELEVANT AND
EVEN IN AS MUCH TO GIVE IT MORE
TEETH.
>> SURE IT DOES AND THE OTHER
THING IS IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM
A BUSINESS COMMUNITY AND A
POLITICAL STANDPOINT THIS IS ALL
OF A SUDDEN MAKING NATIONAL
NEWS.
LAST WEEK ON MEET THE PRESS
SMILEY MENTIONED THE SHOOTING
AND THOSE ARE OF THE THINGS THAT
ALL OF US THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND
CHARLOTTE FOR A LONG TIME YOU
KNOW THAT MAKES THE TOWN FATHERS
AND MOTHERS NERVOUS AND THE
QUESTION IS DOES THAT DRIVE
>> THE POINT IS EVERYBODY THINK
BUSY SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
HAVE HAPPENED, AND SOME CITIES
WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN "LOW COPS"
WHERE THE CASE IN NEW YORK YOU
HAVE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WERE
SHOT, 15 AND 20 TIMES, SAN
FRANCISCO.
>> RIGHT, RIGHT.
>> AND IN SOME REGARD THIS IS
ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE CHANGING
FACE OF MAYBERRY.
>> BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE,
WHAT DO YOU THINK THE
TEMPERATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY IS
RIGHT NOW?
>> WELL, I WOULD SAY IT'S A VERY
NERVOUS RISING AT THIS POINT
BECAUSE THERE IS YOU CAN FEEL
THAT THERE IS A CERTAIN UNEASE I
GUESS IN THE RELATIONSHIP
BETWEEN CIVILIANS AND THE POLICE
AND IT'S MORE AMPLIFIED I THINK
AMONG AFRICAN AMERICANS AND
LATINOS WHERE THERE ARE FOLKS
WHO ARE NOT THAT ASSURED IF A
POLICE OFFICER STOPS THEM THAT
IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT OKAY.
>> WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE US WITH
CHIEF MUNROE IN TERMS OF HIS
LEADERSHIP GOING FORWARD.
COOL EVERYBODY OR GET EVERYBODY
IN A BETTER PLACE?
>> I THINK IN SEVERAL REGARDS.
YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHERE CHIEF
MUNROE AND THE LATEST SHOOTING.
WHEN HAVE WE HAD AN OFFICER
CHARGED.
>> THAT QUICKLY.
>> DAY OF, DAY AFTER, WITHIN 24
HOURS.
THAT'S ONE PART OF IT.
THE ADAGE OF COOLER HEAD AND
CALMER VOICES BECAUSE IF YOU
REMEMBER IN GOING BACK TO THE
LATE 90S THERE WAS A LOT OF
TENSION OUT THERE AND SO THE
QUESTION THEN BECOMES HOW DO YOU
DEFUSE.
IT WAS DEFUSE WHEN THEY STARTED
PUTTING MORE CAMERAS IN THE
CARS.
WHEN THEY STARTED DOING THESE
KINDS OF THINGS THAT THE
COMMUNITY WAS ASKING AND I
REMEMBER GOING BACK TO SOME OF
THE SAME FOLKS WHERE YOU HAD TOM
BOO, DWAYNE COLLINS.
SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE AND
WHAT REALLY AND I WILL NEVER
FORGET THIS BUT THE THING THAT
REALLY SHOCKED THE POLICE INTO
SAYING WE BETTER DO SOMETHING TO
AT LEAST EXTEND AN OLIVE BRANCH
TO THE COMMUNITY.
THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT GOING
OUT WITH VIDEO CAMERAS AND VIDEO
TAPING TRAFFIC STOPS THEMSELVES
AND THAT RAISES A WHOLE
DIFFERENT ISSUE OF LITIGATION
AND PUBLIC SAFETY.
>> LED TO LOTS OF COMMUNITY
CONVERSATION.
THE COMMUNITY BUILDING
INITIATIVE, RATHER THAN JUST LAW
ENFORCEMENT, EDUCATION.
>> CONVERSES THAT HAPPENED ON A
SUNDAY THAT INVOLVED JAMES
FERGUSON, THE ATTORNEY, DIANE
ENGLISH.
THE NATION OF ISLAM FOLKS FIRST
QUARTER.
>> AND THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT
POSSIBLY REVISITING, THE YWCA.
I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH WILLY
RAFET FOR AND DIANE ENGLISH.
THEY DEAL WITH THIS WHOLE
ASPECT.
>> GOING OVER THE SAME TERRITORY
AGAIN I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO
BE THE ANSWER.
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DO
SOMETHING THAT PUSHES IT FORWARD
AND ALLEVIATES SOME OF THAT
PRESSURE.
>> IT DOES STOP ME IF THIS IS
ALREADY HAPPENING.
IT DOES SEEM THAT RODNEY MUNROE
HAS THE OPPORTUNITY, THE ABILITY
TO GO IN AND HAVE A DIFFERENT
KIND OF COMMUNITY CONVERSATION,
SIMPLY BECAUSE OF WHO HE IS TO
START WITH.
>> ABSOLUTELY.
>> BUT SECONDLY BECAUSE HE TOOK
THAT ACTION WITHIN A DAY.
I THINK THERE IS A POWERFUL
MESSAGE THAT CAN BE SENT IF HE'S
READY TO GO OUT AND SORT OF HAVE
THAT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION.
>> BUT I THINK THE BIGGER
QUESTION IS AS IT RELATES TO
COMMUNITY REVIEW BOARDS ARE
THERE ANY CITIES WHERE A REVIEW
BOARD HAS THE SUBPOENA POWER.
IN ORDER THE ARGUMENT YOU HAVE
THE POLICE, THE POLICE AND THE
POLICE AND THAT'S WHERE IT'S THE
ADAGE COMING JUST A LITTLE BIT
TOO CLOSE.
>> RIGHT.
>> HERB, JUST A WORD, THE COUNTY
COMMISSION BEEN SORT OF QUIET.
THEY'RE WORKING ON A SEARCH
PROCESS WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER
AND TRYING TO GET THAT
ALTOGETHER.
THE DECISION
>> SOMEWHERE, [LAUGHTER]
>> IT'S NOT MOVING AS QUICKLY, I
GUESS THE COMMISSIONERS AND THE
CHAIR WANT.
OCTOBER 15TH IS A TARGET DAY TO
HAVE CANDIDATES IN HAND, BUT
THEY MAY NOT MAKE THAT.
A TARGET, YEAH, NO.
THE A GOAL NECESSARILY, BUT AT
THIS POINT THERE IS SOME
MOVEMENT AND SO THERE WAS I
GUESS A NATIONAL HEAD HUNTING
FUND THAT IDENTIFIED SOME FOLKS
AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO TURN
THEIR ATTENTION.
>> IN CLASSIC COUNTY COMMISSION
FASHION THERE IS SOME
DISSENCION.
>> IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND
EXPERIENCE DO YOU ANTICIPATE
BOBBY SHIELDS BEING A CANDIDATE
WHEN THEY GET OUT WITH THE
FINALISTS?
>> ABSOLUTELY, WITHOUT A DOUBT
AND THERE'S BEEN A NUMBER OF
CANDIDATES OUTSIDE THE REGION.
I CAN THINK WITHOUT NAMING NAMES
I CAN THINK OF A CITY MANAGER
AND A VERY PROMINENT MIDWESTERN
COMMUNITY THAT SAID NO.
>> I GOT YOU BUT YOU ANTICIPATE
ONE EXTERNAL AND ONE INTERNAL.
>> THE VERY SEARCH FIRM, HEAD
HUNTING FIRM THAT GOT RON CARLY
TO THE CITY OF CHARLOTTE IS
ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN PURSUING A
MANAGER FOR MECKLENBURG COUNTY.
>> AT THE SAME TIME A QUICK NOTE
HAIRY JONES THE FORMER COUNTY
MANAGER HAS COME OUT AND SAID
HE'S IN THE CONSULTING BUSINESS
SO HE WAS UP AT BIG
INTERNATIONAL CITY AND COUNTY
MANAGER'S MEETING WHICH IS WHERE
RON CARLY CAME FROM.
>> TO KEEP YOUR EYE ON JONES
THERE ARE PEOPLE NUDGING HARRY
TO RUN FOR COUNTY COMMISSION
NEXT YEAR.
>> THAT WOULD BE MOST
INTERESTING.
ALSO INTERESTING WAS SUNDAY IN
BANK OF AMERICA STADIUM AND THE
PANTHERS WE TALKED A LOT ABOUT
THE FIRST TWO GAMES BUT THEY
CERTAINLY PUT IT TOGETHER
AGAINST THE GIANTS.
>> YEAH, LET ME BE THE FIRST TO
SAY I DIDN'T SEE THIS COMING.
CERTAINLY THE GIANTS DID NOT SEE
IT COMING.
WHAT A HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF FOR
THE FRANCHISE BECAUSE IT'S A BYE
WEEK THIS WEEK.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SIT THROUGH
TWO WEEKS OF SPECULATION ABOUT
RON RIVIERA'S JOB AND THEY HAVE
A CHANCE TO GET TO .500.
THEY HAVE SEVERAL WINNABLE GAMES
COMING UP.
IF THEY CAN JUST STAY RELEVANT
INTO MID OCTOBER I THINK THEY
GIVE PEOPLE HOPE.
>> I WOULD URGE SOME CAUTION.
HAVEN'T WE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
>> IT WAS THE GIANTS BUT AGAIN
IF YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AN
EMBATTLED COACH, A TEAM THAT HAS
HIGH EXPECTATIONS AS THEY ALL DO
THIS TIME OF THE YEAR BUT
CAROLINA DOES SEEM TO HAVE
HIGHER EXPECTATIONS.
THEY NEEDED THIS ONE PRETTY
BADLY JUST TO REMAIN RELEVANT IN
THE HUNT FOR THE CONVERSATION
AROUND HERE.
>> NOT THAT THIS MAKES ANY
DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THIS WAS NOT
A SCIENTIFIC POLL BUT BEFORE THE
BALLGAME AT LEAST IN THE UPPER
DECK WHEN THEY INTRODUCED THE
PLAYERS LOTS OF APPLAUSE.
WHEN THEY GOT TO THE HEAD COACH
LOT OF BOOS REIGNING OUT A LOT
OF GIANT FANS IN THE AREA.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT SAYS
ABOUT THE FAN TEMPERATURE
RELATIVE TO THE COACH.
WINNING SOLVES A LOT OF THINGS.
>> IT DOES BUT IT'S ALL KNEE
JERK.
IF THEY GO OUT TO ARIZONA AND
LAY AN EGG I WANT TO COMMEND
DAVID FOR LEAVING THE ENTERPRISE
LUXURY SUITE AND GOING UP TO THE
UPPER SECTION.
[LAUGHTER]
>> LEAVE WITH A GUY FROM THE
FCC.
>> I WAS IN THE LSU BOX.
IN.
>> ALABAMA DOESN'T HAVE A BOX.
>> HE IS WEARING CRIMSON TIE
TODAY.
>> I GOTCHA.
PANTHERS, YOU'VE BEEN IN THE
MARKET.
YOU WERE THERE FROM THE
BEGINNING WHEN THEY GOT THEIR
FRANCHISE ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF
THE ANNOUNCEMENT THIS YEAR.
>> THAT'S RIGHT.
>> YOU GO BACK TO THANK YOU,
THANK YOU, THANK YOU.
FROM JERRY RICHARDSON AND I
THINK THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT
WHERE THE COMMUNITY HAS GONE AS
A SPORT CITY.
KEEP IN MIND THAT THE HORNETTS
WERE THE ONLY GAME IN TOWN BUT I
DON'T THINK ANYBODY HAD ANY IDEA
THAT THE PANTHERS WOULD CATCH ON
AND WHEN YOU LOOK IN THE WAY THE
TEAM HAS BEEN VALUED OVER THE
YEAR BY PUBLICATIONS LIKE FORD
YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S BEEN
ENENTERPRISE THAT'S WORTH
DIVIDENDS.
>> ABOUT A MINUTE AND A HALF.
GO ON OVER TO THE BOBCATS
HORNETS.
>> NEXT WEEK THEY GET BUSY AND I
GUESS THERE ARE TWO BIG
QUESTIONS.
ONE IS AL JEFFERSON THE FIRST
FREE BIG AGENT SIGNING SINCE
THIS FRANCHISE IS IN PLACE AND
STEVE CLIFFORD.
HE'S AN NBA LIFER.
A LOT OF GOOD REVIEWS.
THOSE WILL BE THE TWO THINGS TO
WATCH.
>> LOOKING AT SEASON TICKET
SALES.
>> THEY'VE HAD A PRETTY GOOD
OFFSEASON.
WHEN YOU CONSIDER HOW BAD THIS
TEAM IS ON THE FLOOR.
THEIR SALES ARE ACTUALLY NOT
BAD.
THEY'RE STILL LOSING MONEY.
>> BECAUSE OF THE NBA.
>> HERB, THE LAST WORD ON THE
BOBCAT HORNETS.
>> THREE COACHES IN THREE YEARS.
ENOUGH SAID.
>> YOU HAVE YOUR HORNET COLORS
ON TOO.
>> IT JUST HAPPENED TO BE CLEAN.
>> THANKS TO OUR THREE GUESTS,
HERB WHITE FROM "THE CHARLOTTE
POST", ERIK SPANBERG, FROM "THE
BUSINESS JOURNAL."
STEVE CRUMP FROM WBTV.
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CONVERSATION.
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