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BG: the federal government made it official yesterday unionized federal public
servants
will have to undergo annual performance reviews that will lead to
more of them being fired? will it?
the performance reviews on the latest measure by the conservatives with the
goal of making the federal public service more cost effective. Tony Clement
is Treasury Board president and he joins us now. Mr Clement: good morning. TC: Nice to be
on your show Bill. BG: I think a lot of people listening will be
a bit surprised
that this hasn't been the case
for many years
TC: indeed there have been managers who worked on performance reviews for
uh... their employees uh... it is not unheard of in the
federal public service but there's no
sort of systematic across the board system that had been in place until now
so
this is new uh... i think the idea i think again here
you know your listenership
they uh... they would agree that the idea of having regular
performance appraisals,
sitting down with the new employees saying what our expectations are for
that employee
uh... having an ability to work with an employee's underperforming, getting him up
too grade and and failing that, of course
having an exit strategy for that employee
that's common in the private sector it's common another public sectors as well
and it's about time we do that the federally as well.
BG: what has taken so long and then what
motivated you to finally bring this to be. TC: well i think would has been too many
cases where that we've heard about uh... where uh... i uh... you know it affects
the morale of the public service. you might be working and be very
dedicated and and want to do a good job for Canada and do a good job
for your employer and then sitting right next to it the workstation next to you is
somebody who's trolling the internet for seven hours a day not doing their
job
and it affects the morale of the public servant who actually wants to work harder
uh... and of course of the affects the productivity of of the the work
environment so, those stories are out there stories are out there I've heard 'em
everybody uh... who knows someone in the public services has
heard a story like that
so it's about high time that we uh... we start to change the culture of the place
and this is one of the ways that i want to do that that uh... that
what you've just described would seem to me to be indicative a very poor
management to yeah right i think it got absolutely i think that uh...
we've got a trainer manages better
uh... we gotta give them the tools uh... so that they can engage with that their
employees uh...
uh... and have the right conversation
have the right documentation uh... of of uh... in terms of the evaluations uh...
know how to deal with other performers try to get them up to
apart and then have the support you know i i told my senior managers i have your
back if you have to make it tough decision
and exits somebody fire somebody
uh... from their job i will on it will have your back i will be there for you
as well and and dot that's an important message to get out to the managers
wouldn't many of the
hardworking
efficient
public sector workers
welcome this i mean the performance through the performance review should
give somebody opportunity for advancement uh... for perhaps is there
any opportunity for somebody who's excelling at their job
financially through performance review absolutely i think what we're trying to
stay here and the signal we're sitting out at work if you're doing your job
t-rex selling if your but only meeting standards but it uh... exceeding guess
standards and objectives
uh... you know we we want to make sure your career dances and uh... and that
you get more responsibility and uh... obviously morgan racial more
responsibility for that at the positive message out there but they also want to
hear that if you're under performing
we we don't we all turn a blind eye to it we don't let that person state
at the workstation next to them doing nothing or next to nothing
and that that that somehow was acceptable because no one seems to
manage that situation so that that double
but the two sides of the coin if you will bill your you're quite right to you
focus on the positive as well as the negative good to talk to drop the men's
the national president of the public service alliance of canada they say they
welcome feedback and performance reviews but they want a bill to sit down with
you and discuss how those performance reviews
will work
yeah listen i i i i guess i met with
uh... robin and i think it was last week and uh...
so i have uh... ongoing conversations uh... with uh... union leadership
absolutely uh... when i they've got some good suggestions
uh... that will help us implement the strategy on the moon favor that uh...
i'm but this is the strategy this is important for taxpayers to know
that uh... we expect excellence out of our public service because they
are employed using taxpayer money and uh... so that part of it is not gonna
change but it if she wants to help us implement things uh... so that's
fair and reasonable across the public service let's have a conversation
uh... have you found a way to put senators
through a yearly performance review well you know that that you you're a trigger
point because senators are collected
uh... and we have to make them more accountable it it's a nineteenth-century
institution that have to get into the twenty-first century or
if it cannot and i i think the
the call
for abolitionist cannot grow ever stronger so
i'm glad that we have the new rules in place
uh... four senators now in terms of their expenses i'm glad to work
we're showing some leadership um... portion of the liberals have oppose its
every step of the way on that
but we're going to move ahead on this and ah... and have a much better rules
in place and i think that's a good thing mister clinton twp thank you bill
brigitte till the comment treasury board president we'll talk with the national
president of the public service alliance of canada
next
when he heard treasury board president that only comment
talking about unionized uh... federal
public sector workers uh...
undergoing annual performance reviews
the performance reviews a are said by the conservatives for the latest measure
older making the federal public service more cost effective
rahman benson
national president of the public service alliance of canada joins me now robby
benson nine good morning good morning bill korean and doing very well thank
you for doing this thank you you um were listening to mister comment
yet they get and what we saw so what are your thoughts well i think that very
interesting that mister clinton saying that you know this somebody that excel
fitting in my heart you know one pecan and the flippant and your kid in another
state
and it's time that they look at that because
are you know quite frankly than how to manage and getting the bonuses that
they're getting every year if they're not actually looking at
our performance of the individual who work for them
our member care are looking for feedback all the time
uh... you know certainly if you're doing a good job you want to hear that you're
doing a good job help
well that ect about that
quite frankly don't because they and worried that it may be too
uh... away to further downsized
or penalize now our members in some discriminatory manner because
performance separately with a final them to be in my thirty three years that the
canada revenue agency we have been every year so im surprise that mister clinton
says that that is not happening
you know i was going to say a disputes
policy at this company's policy at many many companies i was surprised to to
hear that this was something new you're telling me that
you in your members have been going through annual performance reviews
what they're going out of the matter of fact yet though and my other life by
what the came later with canada revenue agency
and i wrote many of these performance review for the stuff that worked with me
on the apparently from my perspective that's why i'm looking at this saying
what effect that the government is really wanting to do if that's another
downsizing exercise that they're looking at on mister clinton's been quoted as
saying that in the private sector
between five and ten percent of uh...
uh... you know the individuals are released and yet it's only point zero
six percent in the federal public factor
soul argued suggesting that mister clinton pick your managers should be
looking at i think that ten percent to relief
i think that it set point zero six present because i believe that by
members are very proud of the work that they do
state service uh... canadians
and we should be more
uh... we should be more worried if you will about indicate that if people are
the canadian what all of the budget and my patient not
that have come through in the last number of years
members
pushing back
to annual performance review is a min a day
are they
concerned about this so they are free to do this to the than i think it's a
it's a means by which the the government wants to downsize
i think what the member op i'll remember it uh... will be looking to have
positively appointment
they're gonna be looking for feedback that health and pop out
how well they're doing
uh... in terms of the work they can succeed in if they're is incorrect
corporate warmer and i think that
amit obligations on management to provide training effendi comes into the
government uh... day-to-day obligation for for the department to train that
individual and if they need uh... you know some improvement anitha obligation
to retrain them dead is work that you need to do that you cannot bring
somebody and and just plunked them down at the ok now protest employment
insurance check he noticed training only we work with many regulations many ac
you know where very proud of the work that we do and and quite frankly i think
that i remember it uh... will welcome
uh... feedback because it gets shut by and large the very potluck unless there
is a manager
perhaps doesn't like someone and uses that as a tool to discriminate against
them though you know i i would welcome uh... some discussion with uh... the
treasury board electrical meant in terms of
uh... that particular endeavor
robinson thank you
thank you very much
robinson national president of the public service alliance of canada want
to know what you think about this uh... are you surprised that their hasn't been
the formal
annual performance review uh... ms benson says in many cases there have
been to this seems to be new policy that the government is announcing uh...
do you have an annual performance review
in your workplace
have you worked in the public sector of you work for government
and have you worked for the private sector is there
as distinctly
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well you heard uh... both the
treasury board president only comment
and uh... robby benson national president of the public service alliance
of canada uh... the feds are going to have uh...
public sector workers undergo annual performance review list
in the case of those who haven't already some have it would appear in some have
not that your thought six zero four two eight zero nine eight nine eight dead
tracy
ad i think it's another one of her for there
sleepy waved of uh...
flashing the uh...
uh... spending that that he doing over the country prop to five eight three
point one billion dollar cut a lot
and also i think they should prove you have a big review of their own backyard
before they start time that the other little people
username do you have a problem though then who performance review no not at
all
well not at all but i don't have a people that work in a bit of a there for
the federal government
and they all week at that idon't get muddy but
billionaire federal program
an income tax
but will work for the kids are dragging on the river with the department
national profound
gap i mean
so i i don't get it
presented recent
oh parm dividing
barbell life
uh... yai with your question just before the break out in my experience working
both private sector and public sector
there isn't much of different uh... people like to think there is that
people think that in public sectors are not get the productivity but i found in
the private sector anuar workers in certain
type a personality that certain type of person that
work harder at not working than just doing the job and i think one of those
people anywhere
and that
here too
that's it uh... a part of the work force that will be different if you look at
but do not find it uh... if you've worked both there's less tolerance for
that in the pub in the in the private sector that's easier for a private
sector employees
to if she had a non productive worker than it seems to be in uh... in the
public sector
neither preparing because that go far in that
you know they find the loopholes they find ways
get away with what they're doing in i mean and that they're just they're just
not to go getter types and and
made nowadays
harder for the employer to go out and find another person retrain another
person
tentatively with what you have it knowing that someone off a pick up the
placard about that they're incompetent they do the basics to get the job done
but they're not
out there to really be the best of job they're just there to and whatnot at
their paycheck but the artifact human and they were at work that i come across
people like that
and then there's the other hand where you got people they're doing going above
and beyond the pale
okay fine thank u brag
so hai
uh... most widespread looking to the lady from the government union
that made it sound like there was nobody not doing their job but everybody got a
review and they're all spectacular
so it
lieutenant colonel darden
disconcerting when you're talking with the current point zero six percent are
ever lateral
uh... i'd have experience in government offices and i can tell you there's more
than twenty percent
six percent that don't
deserve the jobs that have because they are not doing that
day sucks
yeah go i don't know where dirt current provider of vibe worker broker super
thirty eight-year career her character and i mean
prone entry-level qa director level um... one of the most important anchor
obstruct work
workbook
uh... annual appraisal
every proprietor another period every every that target their report brother
an appraisal every year faithfully
and i would be in it
yeah so some is its hardest understand what's new
yeah i don't know where to park are incremental
marked your thoughts
yes good morning bill high who have been listening to this story with a hint of a
maiden aunt i'm a retired schedule government employees
heidi started uh... working for the federal government didn't early
nineteen seventy-four i retired in mid two thousand and two
are working on the world are worked in vancouver and a number of other
locations in british columbia and the yukon
every year myrick deservedly i received a performance evaluation so my question
i have to be
when did they stop thank you they feel
running at two points first of all exiting the work that uh... more
republic uh... the federal government uh... job it to her to her individuals
want terms
they don't the popular deeply you're getting your factor like there are
people on terms
and whether they keep you are not happy walked on dot speaking with people who
are managers more often dot had nothing to do with your work performance at the
numbers game so sometimes somebody in one department uh... term their
gangbusters theatrical somebody else's if required to get all the facts are
planning to give the minimum they keep their jobs and secondly
they should be noted that
you know what uh... when you work in from work
what you get rewarded for working right in the u of m public service your work
at the you don't forget to get that the everyday job you don't get bonuses you
don't get the in front of what infected to the people have to go gangbusters
nothing effective director one time when i graduate reversed their work for the
federal service for a few years she told me quote rolled up
or move out
if you're gangbusters work where you get rewarded for going going baptist i would
just say you'd get rewarded with a paycheck every second week
while the point is that uh... you don't want people to have a wealthy person we
thank you
proudly and have a comment was saying well that he didn't pay the things you
know
and intensity
reidtemple
well good good luck at the technical technical blocking your ten fifteen
years in independently
you get a how you can give it a lot
that's where i think there's a distinction between the prime of the
public sector
in the private sector that person would tend to be gone
the exception in almost certainly these days animals exception but it's a it's
topping the news almost every night and that's the mess in the senate
and uh... hitting it hard to get rid of a public-sector worker try getting rid
of a senator real talk with one
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