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it is a pleasure to welcome sandra steinbrenner
she is the author uh... raising elisa protecting our children in in the age of
environmental crisis as well as
living downstream
and having faith and also the subject of a documentary are
uh... by the same
living downstream welcome to the programs under
thank you put the film academy so uh...
it's the really
is fantastic i have uh...
who was a young children myself
run through much uh...
these same processes that you you speak of in terms of of of dealing with
ecological threats to our children but i want to start first with this concept
that you talk about in your book
well-informed futility
to newt
that is
parametric heart that i i don't get it right i think any of the book because i
uh... come to believe it
if their biggest problem for stopping the very reality environmental
uh...
cracked the very real and i don't think that that that the rise of our children
apart they are very many uh... entrenched economic interest
of the powerful feeling that you being one
better at the start of the problem combat it
people's ekdam resignation their willingness to give up the fight before
they've even enjoying that
that i find to be the biggest
issue people find it
problem overwhelmingly depressing anyway that
you know other problems like
uh... terrorism or appeal filed located in your community all these other
uh... big into a pumpkin uh... swing up into action but the idea that
uh... their world plaguing doctor in trouble and therefore
are oxygen supply is in trouble because plan to make a copy outfitted we breathe
and of course they keep me in oxygen why they need
i cap rather than to provide a rebel a normal weather pattern for them to grow
crops all the things card i think lead over incumbent to be deprived of that
i think that they call it it's not a name for the phenomenon called
well-informed futility at every first
the feeling that we have only learned about something that we feel that we
have no agent the overs we hereby a terrible problem we don't think there's
anything we can do to fix it
and so it makes her feel
so much
unbearable grief or two guilty or rage that rather than continue to feel that
way we start to turn away from more knowledge itself and then simply correct
hadn't been taken eternity volcano evil approach to it
it's very easy to do that when you have young hip because of course
your job it can protect your children and not make them feel cared about
something
and so you don't necessarily want to have accommodation about
the fact that one of every four mammals is now going extinct because of climate
change around the dinner table huh
and felt because now i think i'm afraid i can't do we parenting that not talking
about it at all in live in this kind of
in banff alive
happy bubble uh... and quit ed in which both you about newt doesn't penetrated
so that
preparing for everything like remarks my readers right out at that place
and make them feel that
uh... their action is actually
they make them feel better
it's it's it's interesting too because there is this uh...
the agency that we have is is it was both in the context of what we can do
as individuals to protect our individuals families but but ultimately
that's not really
that's not really enough in some respects
in other words are right i think they have to take off my biologist back i'm
kinda comes into play raving elijah is really give a clear line it's my life
on eight in the third floppy ecology of my own household wherever you know i
believe working
mop mother with the feel every children on one of whom alleged david boren and
and and growed up you know in the course of of the book
uh... and ferry look at the you know if you might want recycle and my
jamin
uh... and how how much are the things in our house that i'm out there then
taking a look at lightly biological data ac
questions like okay
i have given up along lower and i've changed about four
a rotary mower and instead of doing it turned out
it's actually save me time because i_q_ that like
com
and not alot machine in the jam and so i can get my daily workout and get the
grass cut addicting
time
on and if that works for me and i'm actually
you know nothing
x_ amount of carbon into the atmosphere in not creating un-christian attacks
mark that my friend who had asthma would have to breathe
but what if we all did that without actually make a difference and it turned
that if you scale-up are individual
responses like that they actually doesn't make much of a different we need
or much
larger scale um... change that involved the redesigning arc communities
uninvolved
fossil fuel companies having a willingness
to leave their asset they're proven resources
reserves of about the fields actually in the ground in a link to the banana mango
d something
different though how can we bring about
those kind of changes though
it there the book really ranges from
uh... near the breastfeeding mother he got there
uh... mowing the grass on my childhood nursing under the change feedback to me
at the violet is looking at
these large scale planetary idea and
um...
thinking about how parents can chilling
it big human rights
movement
underneath the happening which is umu away from the train if dependency on
fossil
letting them on fire to maker keep health itself
and aren't looking elsewhere
for our started energy
namely looking at wind water and and dollar for a for a running things do you
talk about it does human rights struggle
compare it
the abolition of slavery in many respects and uh...
who talk about this because there is the it's it's both in terms
the implications for
uh... says individuals in our rights to not have uh... what you call i think
uh... uh...
passed by toxins and also in terms of what it means of force aside
in that society has to make eight decision now
on an economic level that is
nalla gets to the one that we had to make was slavery
right well but i thought that an anything big
comparing our current situation played abolitionist movement
of the eighteen thirties is
uh... up uh... a dominant part of the narrative everything leisure and it
starts with the pilot feltham expanded actually named elijah
but his name's dave hennen can after a childhood hero of mine
which is that i am
elena abolitionist from the eighteen thirties evening with elijah lovejoy
um... and i would
a particular moved by the recipient heath soviet all illinois schoolchildren
use to learn about
amhi with depending on the river from where i grew up
and he was a writer common and i feel like i am
and living approximately fifty from the very which were the plate date he doctor
playtrade
opcode
personal
and it bothered him greatly as it did a lot of people who live in the free state
of illinois
but what really pushed him over the edge few
abolitionist
activism wed when he became a father
they had a two year old taivon inflated pregnant with her second child and he is
hard to prove open
and in seeing
um...
children filled away from their parents and family being broken up knowing that
how much
with the kind of a lot of the big love expel parents have to their children and
thank you think the dilemma that because he knew that then that slavery was an
abomination and he was
uh... animated hits to direct for the rest of his life to ending with in
dismantling this institution everything behind it brought danger upon himself
expressway beam up started you know throwing bricks raptor windows and have
infamy while his two-year-old in his peggy whitehead ultimately connecting
that inhibitor defend them
and he worry that if he his life with lots of course then
he wasn't really being a good father to his own children and floods all that
that was used to work with taking him away from making money and from on being
with her family info on fayette like a personal letters to the mother about
this
dilemma he faces tried to deliver the father and yet he was a terrible
pontificating and to have had a deal with that
he finally decided that he would daily the slide you need
to recreate our nation's economy for his children can grow up in a point where no
one was in waived
with his would really when he was called to do
the with the fact needed in the end com
in his thirty uh...
onions actually thirty-fifth birthday
a he was buried and put forth by bullets by presley remodel
who dumped the printing press into the mississippi river
from his homing in alton illinois
at bell you know he was martyred and yet his word
uh... went on to inspire harriet beecher stowe abraham lincoln john brown the
boston abolitionist info on
and so i really wanted to resurrect that period of abolition
to pay that
you know there was a time in our history were people insisted that even though
arcana anyways radically depending on the competition at that time he was
slavery
this personal wealth roundup
they kept the cost of good well
kept a competitive in the world market everyone have benefited from played
unpaid labour
american camera twenty on played or not it
and and yet
somebody had to stand up until you know what
this is an abomination that have to stop and a half
dot now they don't care how much special addressed
is created i don't care how much personal wealth is evaporate into doing
with immediate gratification
at though i think our situation out is
analogous trade i think we now have become an
waived
to fossil fuels
attending a ruinous effects on our climax
interfering now third billy to have a reliable grain harvest
interfering with polynesian systems are leaving their children need and it's our
job is parent make sure they're there for them
um... at the famed hein
as my colleague only given fed at delaware mounting anupam movement
against our spell the president of flame
honors in are leading a politically because i love it
um... depend on
low-cost
of um...
ethical oil and coal uh... our retirement counter invested in it com we
heat our homes with info on and filler in a really backing in turkey
situation and mounting at the human rights movement is the kind of
uh... out the way out of it but what are you reading orange
and and
uh... in some respects and then you have minutes it's clear how you have resolved
um... or maybe maybe you haven't resolved it did so it's a ongoing but
that uh...
the ambivalence between uh...
and therefore your kids and
so in some ways uh...
um... you know um... i guess uh... you being there for your kids in sort of a
uh... a way that is more abstract or or one in which and maybe at sex the wrong
word but one which affects the society at large but in some ways may inhibit
your ability to be there for your kids at that moment i meant taking last month
i mean i uh... i imagine you just recently got out of prison a move back
to our test i think you have an accent talking to you today from norman
oklahoma
lang teaching a class
uh... affected if the left mike
class or we're just talking about these issues on picking up honors class in
uh... exchange energy extraction and environmental health
uh... and i felt
compelled to come to a local *** if you know just down they read here from some
of the uh... world's biggest oil and gas industry directing fire
petroleum engineering majors on and yet today
emiko after the overall there isn't a deep
uh... need to let about and talk about
initiate but being here that we could take that we take me away from my own
children
who are in new york comment as you can get they often recently got out of jail
for having done
an active civil disobedience
which i felt called
ought to call to do harm in my work to halt
the expansion of
the infrastructure for tracking
which is uh... technique that is
blowing up the bedrock of our nation in order to bring hydrocarbon gases like
methane wicked natural death but also propane in butane
which are now being stored up into the lake near which i live on which is a
thursday drinking water or a hundred thousand other
and though
um... that weight back rack rented my own flag to look to be in on and and
went to jail and and it'll actually given
every a regular thing lecture normally somewhere on talking and i think if
you're awake
delivering my recollection from tel number alignment now block five bmx
among penny gal
m_f_n_ in care of new york and uh... but i feel like that was the most
important scientific statement that i could make a note that held my children
before i went to jail
on the amount of on-the-job i mean it is my job to make sure that my children are
protected from harm and they have a future
they can't have a future info
the planet
uh... climate system
is a rack the point where
they can't have people food anymore status in the same way that
uh... it's my job to make sure they're there's money for them to go to college
and
uh... you know if they get their callouses on time and autorads um...
and and where their bike helmets when they tried if i could to protect them
from
dangers situations
if the situation that we completely frequently paper thoughtful field has
become very dangerous not only because of things that happen within my lifetime
but the fact that
other generations before me have failed to mount
but challenge that sufficient kit to the past on so that we now face
you know because of the cumulative effect here we face p
uh... calamitous
tipping point center
at a clip of calamity that were about to go over and that it's my job as a parent
not only the bow itself and mom
it to stop that suffer at all might join that there may be a time when
i can be a better mother q inside of the gel filled a outside and i realize that
will cause you to cry
but i'm hoping that your tears
will be less
than the picnic cares about children and grandchildren to calm
if we don't take action
and life and raping a leg at all that was of course is written before actually
put on the understood failing to tell that i think that the payment in my
comment there rather
i think that's all that if you know if this is not that unusual that when i
look back in history
starting with elijah lovejoy they were all kinds of parent onboard you love
their children just as much as we do
for just a ditty
pork just it's hard
and had the balance
you know buying the costing for the school play
with the report that's due tomorrow or and
ticket incompetent throwing up all night while you're trying to
you know that your house redecorating we need to think that we have or they're
just
aly khan on
and yet i have been parent
whether elijah lovejoy or in the case in my dad generation
people who fought against
uh... the rise of global fascism who've had to work against hitler
at great britain felt and at the rest of their own children and had a feather
chill in the way from ten cases it to grow up away from them so they didn't
get to work on it
they didn't you put their children played it jeopardy will now there is
nothing plate defender children
the whole planet is in jeopardy and so
we might have defenders tom delay you know home to be park market
in order to be a better parent them sis yes i like i have a great marriage and
felt
uh... you know my
my work it maybe easier by the fact that i have been and i
um ko parent and and a ed just said that you know that's why
at like it kept in parenting keeping although i don't have to get it out
well um... so we're making it work
and i hope my play
uh... inspiring and later others
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