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Here's what film noir is to me.
It's a righteous, generically American
film movement
that went from 1945 to 1958
and exposited one great theme.
And that theme is, you're...
You have just met a woman,
you are inches away
from the greatest sex of your life,
but within six weeks
of meeting the woman,
you will be framed
for a crime you did not commit,
and you will end up in the gas chamber.
And as they strap you in and you're
about to breathe the cyanide fumes,
you'll be grateful for the few weeks
you had with her,
and grateful for your own death.
I didn't know what I was doing.
I didn't know anything
except how much I hated.
But I didn't take anything.
I didn't, Jack.
Won't you believe me?
Baby, I don't care.
In noir, people go to jail.
Good men die. Criminals win.
Evil triumphs over good.
You could almost say that film noir
is the son of
German expressionism
and American tough guy.
It's a pure genre.
It was very, very gut-wrenching,
appealing to your own, kind of,
doubts and uncertainties. Late-night stuff.
I can't figure it.
What do you see in a guy like me?
I see a guy who's swell.
Who's kind and strong. That's what I see.
There's a certain naiveté.
The characters are very clear
what they want.
And we always know
that most of them will fail.
Oh, it's gonna be all right, Bill.
You wait and see.
Julie.
I won tonight.
I won.
Down these mean streets lurks...
And so on. That's noir.
I'm gonna go home and go to bed
where I can't get into trouble.
You think not?
I'll see you all of a sudden, Sammy.
People confuse
crime stories and noir.
But the biggest difference I see
is crime fiction tends to be realistic.
It tends to be in the here and now,
and it tends to strive to shock you
with just how gritty and real it is.
I find crime stories tend to be very literal,
often quite boring,
generally rather ugly to look at.
Whereas noir is gorgeous, it's all style,
but it's the emotional realism
is what you're after.
It's not that you're divorcing yourself
from reality,
it's just you're saying, "Reality is my clay."
Don't come in.
These are crime films.
You know, they fall
under the large umbrella of crime films.
But certainly, the type of subject matter
that distinguishes film noir
is this idea of total moral ambiguity
that is inaugurated in The Maltese Falcon.
It's this sense that the hero
is not necessarily grounded
in any sense of right or wrong.
And a large part of that has to do
with the sense that the whole world
is also one of radical instability.
We didn't exactly believe your story,
Miss O'Shaughnessy.
We believed your $200.
You mean that...
I mean you paid us more
than if you'd been telling us the truth,
and enough more to make it all right.
There is a real political streak
in these movies,
because in the 1930s
when Warner Brothers
was cranking out gangster pictures,
they were lessons to the public,
like, "Crime does not pay."
Then noir came along after the War
and complicated things,
because you were asked to empathize
and identify with those criminals
in a way that wasn't really allowed
in the 1930s.
Because of the situation
at the end of World War II,
the themes of these movies
tend to be dark, cynical,
and pessimistic about human nature.
Film noir, unlike other film,
feels no responsibility to reflect
some sort of cinematic morality.
Film noir just is.
It doesn't talk down to you,
it doesn't condescend to you.
It says to you,
"This is the way the world is,
"and this is the way the world
is going to come out,
"and we're not going to pretend
that cinema has all of the answers."
Aren't you in this deep enough?
If you help them,
won't it make it worse for you?
That's the way it's got to be.
I can tell you I know it when I see it.
But I don't know how to define it.
Almost every element that you name
as the definition of a noir film
would apply to Casablanca,
but you would not call Casablanca
a noir film.
Go ahead and shoot,
you'll be doing me a favor.
Film noir is a very elusive thing to define.
It's trench coats, it's intrigue,
it's cigarettes,
it's the lying between men
about a woman,
it's hidden motives,
it's the psychological turning over
of characters.
I think it's a very elusive genre.
You take some horrible sort of satisfaction
in seeing people torn apart!
They're headed for it, anyway.
You're headed for it.
You're hanging onto something
that's gonna smack you.
If I fold now, it smacks you later.
If I stick, it smacks you sooner.
But cleaner.
Maybe that's why I'm sticking.
Film noir is not a genre, it's a style.
It crosses many genres.
I know there are people that think
that you can have a Western that's a noir.
Or a war picture that's a noir.
Generally, I tend to think
that it's a crime thriller.
What designates a film as noir
is when the writer and the director tell
the story from the criminal's point of view.
The audience is made to identify
with the criminals.
The way I figure, my luck's just gotta turn.
One of these days I'll make a real killing,
then I'm gonna head for home.
First thing I do when I get there,
I take a bath in the creek,
and get the city dirt off me.
That, to me, is a major distinction.
A picture like On Dangerous Ground
is a noir,
because Robert Ryan plays this cop
who really has a psychotic streak in him,
and it's told through his eyes.
And that's a noir.
For me, film noir is
a historical movement
in the history of film.
It began in earnest after World War II,
it started to decline
with the advent of television,
and by the end of the '50s it was over.
You're stubborn, but you're not afraid.
You're an ex-con
with a new beef around your neck,
and I could hang you with it.
Hang me, then.
One job like that
and I'm your pet rat for the rest of my life.
Film noir is not a genre, but it is in fact
a kind of tone poem for film.
The visual tone
as well as the psychology of the film.
If you look at a film noir
that's more or less typical,
we could even use The Maltese Falcon.
It has a certain world
that has been established and created
by the filmmakers,
where the style and the content
are very close together.
In a sense, it represents a world
of extremes,
of shadows, of extremes in emotion,
working in the, sort of, the seamy
underbelly of San Francisco life,
and the world is his world.
He inhabits it, we inhabit it,
and everything about it has to do
with the tone and the style of the film
being completely meshed into one.
A genre, like a Western, a gangster,
a space exploration kind of sci-fi film,
a zombie film...
These genres will exist in perpetuity
and they will always be reformulated.
Now, at one point they were being made
in the film noir way.
Film noir is a language,
which is deep shadows,
strong angles, behavior over dialogue,
and as a language,
that vocabulary can be used in a film
in which its whole world is
made up of those stylistic elements.
But it can also be used as tools to create
film noir of science fiction,
like Blade Runner,
which to me is very much a film noir
piece.
Endless debate about the first film noir.
What is it?
Fritz Lang's M,made in 1931,
not made in America but made in Germany
gets a lot of votes. I won't argue the point.
But in the United States
there are several films.
There's a small film made at RKO in 1940
called The Stranger on the Third Floor
that really has all the hallmarks of noir,
the visual look, the art direction, the
cinematography, what the story is about.
It's complete, self-contained noir.
There it is.
He said himself he'd kill Nick
if he only had a gun.
When you look at the narrative elements
that really define the genre,
I think Detour is possibly not the earliest,
but it's the most stripped-down
B- movie film noir I'm aware of,
which I think is actually
in a lot of ways more interesting
than the big, polished studio version of it
that Citizen Kane was,
however, you know, brilliant that was,
and it's a great favorite of mine.
There are some films even in the '30s
that people have said are film noir,
because they're very dark gangster films.
A lot of people think Double Indemnity
is the first film noir,
and many people think that it didn't
happen until ***, My Sweet.
The papers didn't say much
except that he wasn't shot.
- How?
- With a sap, only good.
If an elephant had stepped on his head,
same effect.
For me, it's a style of the '40s,
a most interesting style
because it introduces more complexity,
more ambiguity
into American cinema.
It introduces characters
who are not all good or bad.
People who use pretty faces like you
use yours don't live very long anyway.
How do you think I should use my face?
You're rolling your own dice, kid.
It had a lot to do with
things held over from the Depression
because so many of the stories
were based on the works of writers
who were writing
at the peak of their powers
during the Great Depression.
And that's when you had Hammett
and James M. Cain
and W.R. Burnett started writing
these crime pictures,
and Raymond Chandler started writing,
and Cornell Woolrich.
And there was a huge wave
of these movies.
I call it the "black tide"
that washed over Hollywood
in the post-World War II years.
And it was indicative, I think,
of America's loss of innocence.
What do you really think of me?
You impress me as a man
who needs a new suit of clothes
or a new love affair,
but he doesn't know which.
Screenwriters were determined
to paint almost an anti-myth.
If Hollywood in the Depression
was selling the idea of
"Don't worry about it," you know,
"We'll get out of it,"
and, "We're eternally optimistic,"
now that World War II had passed,
and we'd all seen
just how bad it could really get,
they were saying, "Hey, you know,
it's time to grow up,"
and, "That happily-ever-after thing
is an abomination, in a way."
And so they created
what essentially was an anti-myth
in these crime dramas.
You know, that the world is, at heart,
a really nasty, dark, ugly place.
And finally, I guess, American audiences
were ready to accept that.
Sounds like a soul in hell.
I think World War II changed
how we saw movies in many ways.
Bogart could not have been a hero
before World War II.
The country was really more sophisticated
and willing to accept
a different kind of reality
than they had before the War.
Everyone grew up in World War II.
And it was everything from existentialism
to film noir that would really say,
"There is a dark side out there."
Now we start looking at each other again.
We don't know
what we're supposed to do.
We don't know
what's supposed to happen.
We're too used to fighting.
But we just don't know what to fight.
Between the end of World War II
and the atomic age
and the threat of annihilation,
suddenly you're looking at a world
that is not comfortable in any way.
You've fought the great battle
for democracy and you've won,
and yet death is hanging over you.
Keeley, what's happened?
Has everything suddenly gone crazy?
I don't mean just this, I mean everything,
or is it just me?
Oh, it's not just you.
The snakes are loose.
Anybody can get them.
I get them myself,
but they're friends of mine.
We, culturally, pop-culturally,
we always look for a metaphor.
The same way that the Soviet threat
was turned into aliens and spaceships,
and flying saucers.
The frustration of returning soldiers,
coming back thinking
they'd created a utopia
and finding out it was still
the same crappy old world,
translated into this entire genre
of a chaotic world
that had to be redressed by these
lonely men who would sort things out.
With World War II, the country was
very reluctant to get into the war,
as are most of the heroes in film noir.
They know that they're getting involved
in something bad,
but they have to do it for whatever reason.
They're compelled into it,
and once there, they learn
that no matter how much they thought
they had control over the situation,
they don't. And that everything
ended badly, even if you won.
He's just a kid.
Yeah, that's what I said once.
Maybe you'll be lucky.
Maybe they won't send him
back to prison.
Maybe he'll get himself killed first.
There is a definite ratcheting up
of screen violence
in the American cinema of the '40s.
Filmmakers and writers and cameramen
learning how to negotiate
the production code.
At this point,
it's been refined to a sort of fine art.
So we do have scenes
of strange *** and cruelty
which are really quite extraordinary.
I've never spoken to anybody
who was involved
in the production of one of these films
in the original noir era,
who knew that what they were doing
was film noir.
They laugh
when you tell that to them now.
We didn't know it was film noir.
I was just shooting a picture
with a mood that I thought it needed,
and also would give me time
to work with the actors
and less time for lighting
and more time for working with the people
so that I could get better work
out of them.
And it worked beautifully,
and thank God it caught on.
- Sorry, I've already got a fare.
- You sure have, two of them.
Yes, sir.
During World War II,
all of the Hollywood studio films
that sort of defined this new style
of filmmaking were embargoed
and they didn't see them in France.
So there was a big retrospective
of American movies in Paris in 1946.
And they sort of noticed a shift,
a sort of seismic shift in American movies
where they suddenly became much darker.
Where the themes were darker,
where the look of the film was darker.
There was shadowy lighting,
chiaroscuro lighting.
There was violence. Much more violence
than there had ever been.
Psychology, Freudianism, existentialism,
all these things
were in these movies
and they were shocked to see all this,
and so they began to write about it.
And they described it as film noir,
literally "black film."
But the French were actually
very amenable to this stuff before then
because they were doing it themselves.
French poetic realism,
the films that Jean Gabin made
and Marcel Carné
were all very much leading up to this
and there was a whole series of novels
released in France
from the late 1930s, the Serie Noir
which speaks to that idea
that there is a noir content,
the type of story you're telling,
and a noir style,
the way you're telling the story.
I'll take those for you.
Great themes of film noir.
Institutional corruption, *** obsession,
and lives in great psychological duress.
You take those three elements, man,
you can turn out a good crime story.
Lieutenant! Lieutenant!
That guy you saw in my office,
he's just passing through.
Shut up. I didn't see anybody.
How could I? I wasn't here.
What often drives a film noir is a crime.
And I think, more importantly,
a lot of times
it's the aftermath of the crime.
It's the perfect heist that goes wrong.
A gun fires of its own accord
and a man is shot
and broken-down old harlots who are
no good for anything but chasing kids
has to trip over us.
Blind accident.
What can you do against blind accidents?
It's seeing how people unravel
under pressure.
And a lot of what film noir is
arises out of the aftermath of that crime.
Hey, Dix. Dix.
Isn't he the one with the reward on him?
Mind your own business.
It's usually involved
with some kind of crime,
or some kind of disorder.
And usually film noir doesn't say
there's any solution to these problems
and treats these forms of corruption
as traps
that the heroes or the protagonists
get caught up in.
You know, paraphrasing Alfred Hitchcock,
when he was talking about melodrama,
he said that it was reality
with all the boring parts taken out.
Film noir is us, our basic, ***, greedy,
honorable, and evil natures.
All right, Lacey. Get up.
You slob, you.
I think, for me,
film noir is best defined, really,
by the idea of character being defined
through action.
You have a set of characters
engaged in a complex story
and you are not able to judge
these characters until the end.
And then you have to assess them
through their actions,
through the "who did what to whom."
'Cause that's the tension in noir.
We're not always sure
who is the bad guy or the bad lady.
- No, I'm going to pick up a cab.
- Swell, we'll share one.
I'm afraid not.
We go in different directions.
That's where you're wrong.
We're going in the same direction,
you and I.
What could be more noir
than the anticipation
of the ultimate denouement,
which is death?
The traditional noir ending
is often grim, isn't it?
It's the bleeding to death in the gutter
which is inherited from the gangster film.
Fred MacMurray dropping dead in
the office at the end of Double Indemnity.
That's how a proper noir ending is.
Or even just the trap closing in,
the police arriving
and taking away the regular guy
who's been tempted into crime.
You take him in. I'll book this guy myself.
One of the rules of film noir,
one of the unspoken rules,
is the last line of the film.
That the film really is playing
until its very last line.
The Killing defines film noir
in its last two lines.
The woman turns to Sterling Hayden, the
police are coming, he knows he's screwed,
and she says, "Johnny, you've got to run."
And he just says,
"What's the difference?"
And his delivery,
the way in which he delivers it,
and then walks into the arms
of the policemen is so fantastic.
It's probably the most brutal vision of noir.
It's the idea of,
"Yeah, life is nasty, brutish and short,
"but also cheap."
The biggest challenge
facing the writers of these scripts
was that they had to work within
the limits of the production code.
So they had to figure out very subtle ways
of conveying all this sexuality and greed
and *** and all this illicit stuff.
We ought to get along fine,
I'm a gambler myself.
How high do you like to play?
If I told you, you wouldn't believe me.
You will find in these films,
tremendous *** symbolism.
Cigarettes are used in
many ways that you
didn't really understand.
"Oh, yeah. That's what the cigarette
actually represents."
You know, trains into tunnels
and all those kind of things.
Sexuality in film noir,
it permeates the whole movie
from start to finish.
Either through the music,
but certainly through the innuendo
and the dialogue.
I need a drink.
What do you need, Miss Doyle?
Well, let's say a drink.
Film noir movies are often very ***.
But they're *** in a much more dark,
violent, animalistic way
rather than anything
that might be called love.
He's kind of exciting and attractive.
- Who's attractive? Who's exciting?
- Earl!
The thing that's great about noir is
that this collaboration
between the writers
and the directors and the actors
really created a tone for these pictures
and there was no way
the production code could fight that.
There's those ways of creating
a *** tension
that has actually nothing to do
with a kiss, a hug, an embrace,
but more between what could be
and is not quite going to happen.
For another nickel we can have a rumba.
No thanks. Save your money.
Hard times are coming.
It's 1945 to 1958.
Sexuality has not been bandied about,
dissected, discarded,
re-invented, de-mythologized,
re-re-mythologized and deconstructed
the way it has 50 and 60 years later.
It still had some panache.
It was something that people
didn't talk about openly
but did fervently behind closed doors.
But in somewhat less volume than today.
So, it had the odd power of the illicit.
And I will only close with this about sex,
the great joke of the 1950s,
"I want to find the guy who invented sex
and ask him what he's working on now."
I think the film noir filmmakers
were really filmmakers for B-films.
And if you look back
at the history of Hollywood
in the '40s and '50s,
huge numbers of films were being made.
And they were made either with
large budgets, A-category films,
or small budgets,
and those were the B-films.
I think young filmmakers then,
that's how they learned to make movies.
They were shuttled
into the low-budget films
and they were given
pretty much free reign
because they were made
under the radar completely.
But these films were largely made
to fill the lower part of a double bill
in order to have a long evening's
entertainment at the theater.
So they were, in a strange way, a creation
of the distribution system in America.
A lot of these films were made by émigrés
who came from Europe.
And I'm thinking of people like Fritz Lang
who, at the height of Ufa, in Germany,
pioneered a lot of the techniques
of film noir.
Also, Billy Wilder came from this same,
sort of, cooking school of Ufa, so to speak,
and brought all the ingredients to America
and used them freely.
Things like the American horror film...
I think, was a big influence on film noir.
I think, for instance, it's a shame
that Val Lewton's movies
are never considered as noir,
because basically they get very early
in the cycle and do things...
I mean, something like
The Seventh Victim,even Cat People
is a very film noir look movie.
And, you know, Jacques Tourneur
goes from the Lewton films
to making Out of the Past,
which, if you have to pick one film noir,
that's it.
That's got... Every possible aspect
of noir is in that picture.
It was a very complex phenomenon,
noir, the style.
It had antecedents
in German expressionistic film
between 1919 and 1938.
That laid out the formal systems
for film noir.
Lighting schemes, staging,
as well as subject matter
because German expressionistic film
was dealing with
men who were coming apart.
Human beings who were coming apart.
A lot of the people who were
the technicians of film noir,
directors, cinematographers,
were out of Germany.
And so, they were very influenced
by that movement in the 1920s.
The house style that was devised
at Warner Brothers,
from the entrance of Michael Curtiz
in the late '20s,
a Hungarian Jew
who was trained
in the Norway film industry,
and Norway film industry really was
the forerunner of German expressionism,
so he knew German expressionism
through and through.
He brought this style to Warner Brothers
and it was complemented by
the visual designer there, Anton Grot,
again, an Eastern European
who knew German expressionism
through and through.
And so you take a look
at these classic gangster films
and classic G-men films
at Warner Brothers.
It's a dry run for noir.
No, no, it's all right.
What's the difference?
I've seen everything.
Film noir is a wonderful genre
for cinematographers,
simply because we can create a light
that behaves like its own character.
When I think of noir,
I always think of diagonals,
things not being level, not being straight,
because nothing is quite on the level.
Nothing is what it seems.
There's just a very menacing mood.
The camera angles are askew.
You're never quite sure
of where you're at in this world.
Shoot up, shoot down.
It's a way of attacking space,
because harmonic space is your enemy,
because harmonic space
represents a secure world
and you are in an insecure world.
In your classic noir movie,
the camera's used in two different ways.
It has to express not just
what's happening in the scene,
but it has to express
the psychological depth
or problems of the characters
in the scene itself.
It's telling the story, but it's also
presenting a stylized viewpoint
of abstract concepts.
So a lot of the great moments in film noir,
are not looking straight at somebody
but from a weird position
that, as an audience, makes you feel
a little uncomfortable, a little nervous
a little tension.
Is that the patrol?
It's the wind in the telephone wires
over on the highway.
Relativity is important to me.
Going from light to dark, dark to light.
And film noir is...
I find it fascinating when I watch it.
I've always considered it
this kind of stark, graphic lighting.
There are a lot of graphics in the lighting.
I've always felt it's what you don't see
that's kind of disturbing.
So you don't quite know what's going on.
Not seeing the face is fascinating, too.
Seeing that little bit of shimmer on skin
or the way the hat is against the blinds.
You know? It's a more mythic way
of dealing with light and dark,
good and evil.
You have to have rain.
You have to have smoke.
You have to have dark shadows.
You have to have, maybe, moving light.
You have to have some kind of a light
pattern that the characters walk through.
So, maybe it's a fence,
maybe it's a window pattern,
maybe it's a shadow of a tree,
maybe it's tree branches.
So that's the visual language
that we work with when we do film noir.
And I still feel that
the black and white noirs are the best.
In color film,
the lighting has never been able
to achieve the degree of precision
that you see even in Hollywood B-movies.
- One more job?
- No.
- One more job? A big one.
- No, I'm afraid.
The originality of film noir is
you had these technicians from Germany
who loved to split everything
into shadows and fractured light.
The Letter with Bette Davis,
is a beautiful example of a film
with the German kind of lighting in it.
Then you had the post-war movement
of getting out of the studio
and shooting in the streets.
A lot of the technology
which freed the film noir
was actually pioneered during the war.
High speed lenses, fast film,
the mag stock for sound
which liberated the cameras so that
you could actually take it on the street.
Lightweight cameras came into existence,
hence the hand-held camera.
And so, they were out in the streets
shooting films that were
being shot in 10 days,
and still trying to use that kind of lighting.
And it made for a very original
and fresh world.
In Nicholas Ray's They Live by Night
it's famous because it was actually
the first film
to actually use a helicopter shot
to open the picture.
And that sort of innovative
camera technique
Nicholas Ray continued
to use throughout the film.
Very daring stuff, putting the camera
in the back of the car,
things from Farley Granger's perspective.
It's brilliant.
I mean, Nicholas Ray
directed that picture like it was
not only the first movie
he was going to direct,
but the last movie he was going to direct.
We move fast.
- Can you take it?
- Me?
- You.
- Sure. I can rip myself up to anything.
You see it in a lot of noir films
where all of a sudden
the camera assumes the perspective
of the protagonist
and it's a wonderful little gimmick
for making the audience empathize.
The most extreme example
being Robert Montgomery's decision
to shoot all of the Lady in the Lake
from Philip Marlowe's perspective.
Not that Marlowe is a heavy in that film
or a true noir protagonist,
but, I mean,
that is a pretty daring thing to do.
Please don't be so difficult
to get along with.
- I need help.
- Like I need four thumbs.
You never saw the actor
who played the lead,
except in the mirror.
You only saw what he saw.
Which was me.
That was what was so unusual about it.
The setting of where they happen
is very important.
Usually urban settings.
That world has to become
part of the film noir world.
The tenderloin district
or the police precinct district
or the seedy, strange places
that you go to, to investigate a crime.
It becomes this very precise
and contained film noir world.
You know, you don't see kids
in film noir movies,
you don't see a lot of normal things.
There is that whole sense of the whirlpool.
A kind of a Freudian sense
of being sucked down
and being lost in the primal mystery.
What's the big idea?
Being trapped is essential
to the whole noir ethos.
You've done something
and now you can't get out of it.
Even if it's something that takes place
in the great outdoors,
invariably the film will be photographed
and edited in such a way
that the protagonist feels
completely trapped.
I wanted her to smile, but she wouldn't.
I tried to make her smile.
A lot of the locations
and the types of environments
that you're shooting film noirs in
tend to be those which are closing in
on the character
as opposed to opening up.
You don't find a lot of film noirs
in the desert.
These films didn't cost
a great deal of money,
there wasn't
a great deal of time to shoot them,
and as a result
you tended to minimize set-ups,
and that's why you have a character
in the extreme foreground
and a character in the extreme background
both facing the camera.
That way you could fit them both in the
frame in a stylized and interesting manner
and shoot the entire scene in one set-up.
I think it might come as a surprise
to a lot of people to realize
that the producers and directors
of these films
were being so creative, visually,
to hide the fact that they had
no budgets at all
and the production values were terrible.
So, it's like,
"Yeah. Let's cast a shadow over there
"because otherwise there's just an
empty hole, there's nothing to look at."
What could we do
to get the attention of the executives,
to show them that we had the talent?
The only thing we could do
was work in set-ups
and in camera techniques and camera
lighting, 'cause that didn't take any time.
Actually, the lighting we developed, which
became later known as film noir lighting
took far less time than classical lighting.
So, you know, you work fast like that
you kind of make things up,
and you use techniques
like the things that were created
by a cameraman like John Alton
were done through necessity.
I think sometimes darkness
is more beautiful than light.
I think everybody has a certain sense,
although they're not conscious of it,
of how things change in the dark
and the greatest things in the world
happened at night.
The good and the bad happens at night.
The murders and the marriages
and the love scenes, all at night.
I don't know
where the influence came from.
I sometimes think it came
from the street photographers
that were starting to capture, sort of,
life on the streets in the big cities,
and that the filmmakers then sort of used.
They were influenced by that
to go out and film on location
and film at night on streets, in rain,
and in cars.
All those elements make the viewers
respond to the story on an instinctual
level rather than intellectual level.
The visual style is
a little bit more instinctual.
Well, the environment of film noir
is the urban world
in mid-20th century America.
It is the depiction of this dark,
seductive fantasy world
that draws people to these movies
above and beyond everything else.
It's almost like a fevered dream
of that world.
The editing in a film noir,
doesn't have to edit as fast
as a lot of other genres.
And that's good, because it gives you time
to sit in this mood
and to be a little unsettled
by all the elements,
editing being a big one of them.
Editing in noir is amazing
because the stories
are so complex sometimes,
that just keeping track of things
can be a challenge.
So, in addition to the standard
editing devices,
you know, you'll see in noir
a kind of jumpy editing,
sometimes used as a substitute
for violence.
Because there really isn't a lot of violence
shown in these movies.
People get the mistaken impression
that somehow
these are films with a lot of action
and a lot of gunplay,
and they really aren't.
They're psychological dramas.
And the editing sometimes
plays a large part in that,
establishing a violence that they couldn't
actually show on the screen at this time.
I think the non-linear aspect
of story-telling in film noir
is one of the reasons that I love the genre.
Greater narrative freedoms
were allowed the filmmakers.
There was an expectation
of peculiar points of view.
Whether it's a dead man
narrating the film as in Sunset Blvd.
Or even if you look at some
of the Val Lewton films.
These films have always been
free to adopt
very peculiar narrative devices
in order to play with audience expectation.
Frankie was kidding himself.
He was through.
And when he went,
the money would go with him.
Voice-over is an editorial tool
that comes from writing, essentially,
where the first person
starts to tell his story,
telling you what fate has brought him.
You've got to watch them.
You've got to watch them all the time.
Because things happen
when you least expect them.
The characters are so hard-bitten.
So, I think sometimes filmmakers
add a voice-over
to try to give the audience
an in into the character
and the voice-over is always
the character in the movie
speaking directly to the audience.
My feet hurt and my mind felt
like a plumber's handkerchief.
The office bottle hadn't sparked me up
so I'd taken out my little black book
and decided to go grouse-hunting.
The style of that voice-over, I think,
is one of the things that's really
characterized the attitude of the films.
The way in which
the voice-over is delivered,
the sort of laconic quality to it.
The sort of Raymond Chandler
feel of things, I think,
is one of the key defining elements
of the genre.
That old black pit opened up again.
Right on schedule.
I didn't expect to hit bottom.
That's all I know.
On account I don't see so well
with my eyeballs scorched.
Then there's another more subtle thing
about the editing in these films
that I don't think gets discussed enough.
Which is that the films
are really very seductive as well,
and they kind of draw you in through
this flashback structure, very often,
where it's a more spellbinding way
of cutting a film
and it almost gets dreamy.
...but I remember looking up
and seeing this girl, Jenny.
Noir didn't invent flashbacks,
but noir perfected flashbacks,
as complex and intricate
as they could possibly be.
In Out of the Past it's used when
Robert Mitchum is trying to explain
his past life to his girlfriend.
It was the bottom of the barrel
and I scraped it, but I didn't care.
I had her.
You'll actually see the character speaking.
His voice continues
and we go back in time
and essentially illustrate what he's saying.
That technique is used a lot.
$400,000.
Only
before he could take it
he had to kill the driver.
Frankie was in jail now.
I think that music in noir
plays a much more important role
than in other genres.
In noir, the music has to be
another character.
It's sort of this unseen presence that,
I think,
can create a mood or remind the audience
that we may be seeing
something onscreen,
but there's something else going on.
Film noir has a very special relationship
with music.
There are as many different ways
of scoring a film noir
almost as there are film noir movies.
There's a lot of interesting layers
in film noir scoring,
which is the rain, the darkness,
the loneliness,
the fear of something unspecified.
There's always a ticking clock aspect
to these films.
And there's sort of a 24-hour period
or a week at the most, probably,
and then, you know,
these events have to happen.
So the music has to highlight
the ticking clock aspect of it.
That's what's interesting,
is that you're always trying to throw
an audience's expectations
in different directions,
to play those ambiguities. You're never
quite sure what anybody's motivation is.
You're never quite sure
where the evidence is leading.
I want to go back to Mexico.
I want to walk out of the sun again
and find you waiting.
I want to sit in the same moonlight
and tell you all the things I never told you
until you don't hate me.
If it's a love story,
the love theme also has to have
a sadness and an unresolved quality to it.
The heroine or the hero might die.
So we're never quite sure, you know,
what is going to be the end result.
We have to be very careful that
you know, there's nothing sentimental
about a film noir score.
I think film noir, in the way it was stylized,
only could help accentuate
the sexuality in film.
The music could be very seductive,
and seductive, at this time,
in more of a manipulative way
as opposed to just pretty woman
walking through the scene.
There's something dark going on,
but seductive.
And I think that's
the delicious part of film noir
is that they could go a little further
with something like music.
There are some fabulous composers.
But as much as noir endeavored to create
this whole new style of storytelling
and this new look,
a lot of times,
the scores were kind of stuck
in a very traditional,
string-heavy arrangement.
Which is really bizarre, because most
people, when they think of film noir,
they will say, "Oh, yeah,
all those jazz soundtracks
"and the saxophone and all that."
But it's really not there.
I mean, it's really strings.
But it's really fascinating
in the public consciousness
that they imagine that they hear brass.
They hear trumpets and saxophones
when it's a very, very rare film
that actually has them.
Like, On Dangerous Ground,
Bernard Herrmann
did a whole percussive score for that,
that's all brass.
And it's fantastic. It's one of
the best scores ever for a noir film.
If you just listen to a Miklós Rózsa score
you have an immediate sense
of the sexuality,
the sensuality of the film noir
translated into music.
It's very, very exciting.
In Decoy,made in 1946,
the music is a very attractive element.
In fact, it is to me
one of the key elements in the film.
It immediately tells the audience
what's going on.
Very clever.
I'm alive.
Border Incident was, I think,
the third movie I ever did.
It was a nice, tough film
that Anthony Mann directed
and John Alton photographed and it was...
It really was a pretty relentless film.
And so I was allowed to write a,
by the standards of those years,
a fairly modern-sounding score,
which I liked doing,
and it was the first time
that I had written anything
that I could more or less approve of
when I heard it.
One of the things I really like
about film noir scoring
is the amount of silence
that one is allowed to leave in the score.
I personally think there's
way too much music in modern film.
We try very much with our craft
to make those what we call
"negative space moments"
where suddenly everything drops out
and there's a big question asked.
Why? Why is it silent?
I think it can make it even more powerful
and more scary
and much more suspenseful.
I think from my own experience,
having edited a film like Body Heat,
I was an admirer of film noir,
but really didn't understand
how to use the language
until I started working in it.
And I think one of the things
that we can exploit tremendously
in modern-day film,
is the range of sound that we have
to create a third dimension on the film.
They were used very sparingly in film noir,
and primarily because
they didn't have budgets for sound.
So the placement of sound
within the dialogue
became a way of evoking
the solitude of a character,
or his physical state of mind.
For instance, in Out of the Past,
in the first scenes of this little town,
you have a lot of sounds,
the distant rails...
Once in a while,
a siren going by of a police car.
A lot of indicators of the life
that he left behind in the city.
The idea of the urban environment
being somewhat evil
and the salutary effects
of the rural quiet life.
And a lot of these meshings of ideas
were actually done in shorthand
by use of sound.
And you'll see this in film noir all the time.
The sound effects,
that filigree of soundtrack in noir,
the brakes of cars, phones going.
It was a revolution
in American filmmaking, this style.
Both in what it said and how it said it.
This is noir.
Men acting bad, women acting bad,
people breaking out
of the Hollywood stereotype
and I do think the fun of noir is
the bad guy you root for.
Chiquita?
- What are you doing here?
- Get out.
You army men might be accustomed
to group showers.
I like mine alone.
What you really need
to make something film noir
is the character in the first place,
and the film noir character
is a gray character.
That's what's so much fun about film noir,
is that you have flawed characters
and sometimes deeply flawed characters,
but as long as they have a code
and as long as they're true to themselves,
they can really get away
with a lot of behavior
that in a normal film
would immediately peg them as a villain.
You make me do it.
Why do you make me do it?
You know you're gonna talk.
I'm gonna make you talk.
Chandler defined it best.
He described the film noir hero
as "a knight in dirty armor."
In my own career I've tried to redefine him
as a knight in blood-caked armor.
But he is still a knight,
he just doesn't look like one
and he's never rewarded for what he does.
He's this lonely character who's out there
and he's just bugged by stuff.
Most Raymond Chandler-derived stories
aren't film noir
because Philip Marlowe is untouched
by the mystery.
You will help me, won't you?
Is this for love, or are you paying me
something in money?
When the femme fatale,
the ***, moves in on him,
he turns her down.
Yeah, he won't be a part
of the emotional tangle.
It's almost like his case is a film noir,
but he isn't.
I don't think you even know
which side you're on.
I don't know which side anybody's on.
I don't even know who's playing today.
Whereas a true film noir protagonist
is drawn into all that.
Look at Out of the Past,
which is also a private eye story,
but Robert Mitchum's character in that
isn't Philip Marlowe.
He doesn't stay out.
Yeah, he succumbs to the temptation
and gets involved with Jane Greer...
- Did you miss me?
- No more than I would my eyes.
Where shall we go tonight?
Let's go to my place.
... and therefore is dragged into
committing morally appalling acts.
Philip Marlowe doesn't,
he's always irreproachable.
The detective figure. The Hercule Poirot,
Sherlock Holmes, or whatever.
They come into a situation,
see what's wrong,
expose the villain,
and sort it out and leave.
The film noir protagonist sort of
never really understands.
Yeah, there's a mystery
taking place around them,
but they are the victim of it,
the subject of it.
They don't usually solve it.
Buddy, you look like you're in trouble.
- Why?
- Because you don't act like it.
I think I'm in a frame.
Don't sound like you.
I don't know, all I can see is the frame.
If you've seen enough noir,
you start to identify
all the traditional characters
that are represented.
There's always the hard-luck loser,
there's the schemer,
there is the femme fatale,
there is the upstanding good girl.
There is the *** nightclub owner
who's always the slickest guy in the story,
and may or may not be shady,
you're not always sure.
There's the big capitalist banker,
businessman type.
I call them the "noir apostles."
Just politics, baby. Good old dirty politics.
The kind of dialogue
that popped through film noir,
it had nuance and it had cleverness
and a lot of humor.
If you look at how Chandler was adapted.
The joint looked like trouble,
but that didn't bother me.
Nothing bothered me.
The two.20s fell nice and snug
against my appendix.
*** Powell, for instance,
in ***, My Sweet,
was a very nuanced, hilarious fellow,
like, you know,
"Come on, you're a big, tough guy.
Do something amazing.
"Pull on your pants."
"Okay, Marlowe," I said to myself,
"You're a tough guy.
"You've been sapped twice, choked,
beaten silly with a gun,
"shot in the arm until you were as crazy
as a couple of waltzing mice.
"Now let's see you
do something really tough,
"like putting your pants on."
It was released as Farewell, My Lovely
in one theater, I think, in Boston.
I'm not sure.
And because it had *** Powell in it,
who was known as a singing star
and they thought Farewell, My Lovely
with *** Powell was a musical.
Musicals were out at that time.
Nobody wanted to see it.
So we changed the title
to ***, My Sweet
and they knew that
that couldn't be a musical.
- You still think Amthor killed him, then?
- Who else?
You.
And I tend to think that the acting
is a perfect corollary
for the writing style.
I mean, the writers weren't
really writing very realistic dialogue.
It's not stuff that you're gonna
hear people utter on the street.
You should've told me, Wood.
Maybe I would've played it differently.
Maybe she wouldn't have heard
my shoes squeaking.
Always a hop, skip and a jump
ahead of me.
And the way the dialogue is delivered
is perfectly appropriate to that.
You know, like Robert Mitchum
is just like...
He's such a natural.
And he can take
the most flamboyant line of dialogue
and just toss it off like nobody's business.
I'll give you a ring in about an hour.
That'll give you time to find her
and get there.
Give you a little extra time to figure out
how you're gonna cross me,
but you won't.
My very first film was called
The Last Tycoon.
I got to play Robert Mitchum's daughter.
And I was in the film
with Robert De Niro and Jack Nicholson
and there was all these
wonderful, famous people in it.
But who was I wanting to be?
I said, "Dang, I wish I was older."
I wanted to be a notch on
Robert Mitchum's belt, you know, so...
I mean, that guy was cool.
He was just one of the coolest actors
I'd ever seen.
I absolutely love the acting in these films
because many times
there's not a lot of dialogue in these films.
There are more sort of
brooding characters
that are very angst-ridden.
More is said by an actor glancing
or lighting a cigarette
or walking down a street
and contemplating
the predicament they're in.
You just sit and stay inside yourself.
You wait for me to talk.
I like that.
I never found out much listening to myself.
Acting in a film noir,
something that I notice, perhaps,
is that it's slightly over the top
in modern standards,
but is perfectly suitable
for that particular style.
You actually need it to be over the top.
It's a little pushed at you.
You're not talking about a sack
of gum drops that's gonna be smashed.
You're talking about a dame's life.
Well, I think, first of all,
I think it was invented
by people like Robert Mitchum
and Kirk Douglas.
I don't think
there was such a thing as film noir
until those guys
actually showed up onscreen
and had the personas that they had
and the movies that they made.
- Well, the last guy in the world.
- I hate surprises, myself.
You want to just shut the door
and forget it?
No, no. Come on in.
When I'd see him onscreen
I kind of could see
that they weren't acting so much
as they were being themselves,
they were presenting the character
through their own personality.
They were them in the situation.
And that's what clicked in my head,
and I realized how simple it really was
and so I tried to approach it
from that way.
I was just getting ready to take my tie off,
wondering whether I should
hang myself with it.
We'd not only be rolling in dough
but marrying into this crowd
will fix it so as I can...
So as I can spit in anybody's eye.
In Born to Kill,Lawrence Tierney had
a look about him that was really tough
and there was some kind
of power that he exuded.
It was clearly a negative power,
but there was something
that came across on the screen
that clearly was seductive to women.
And in the way that it was written,
you could understand
that someone would fall
for this bad guy, for this outlaw,
for this somebody
who kind of knows what he wants
and will do anything to get it.
You're strength, excitement
and depravity.
There's a kind of corruptness
inside of you, Sam.
That'd drive most women off
if they understood like you do.
- Yes.
- But not you. You have guts.
Elisha Cook Jr.
He was a very good...
You know, he was a terrific film noir actor.
Honest, Sam.
You go nuts about nothing. Nothing at all.
You gotta watch that.
You can't just go around killing people
whenever the notion strikes you.
- It's not feasible.
- Why isn't it?
All right, Sam. All right, it is.
- He was cutting in on me.
- With her?
That was a big worry, I'll bet.
He was like the kind of guy
people would pick on.
Come on, this will put you in solid
with your boss.
How's about one for me?
There's a very imaginative and clever
use of sexuality in the films.
Nothing ever gets too explicit
or too outrageous,
but the morality of the films
is extraordinarily questionable
and daring.
I won't let Bernie break your neck.
And if I don't?
You'll make me talk.
You'll squeeze it out of me
with those big strong arms.
Won't you?
That's right, sister.
A lot of times,
there were downtrodden detectives
trying to make good
on the trail of some poor guy
who got sucked in
to the femme fatale's web.
The web of this gorgeous woman
who is, in fact, a criminal.
Seems to me that since I've known you,
you've become lovelier.
More mentally assured.
But it also seems to me
that when I first knew you
you had a heart.
The femme fatale was really born
as a result of women
taking over so many of the roles of men
during World War II.
And when the men came back,
among all the other dislocations
that they experienced,
one was, all of a sudden
women with this whole new role.
Women working,
women being outside the house.
In a lot of ways, film noir
was sort of male filmmakers' revenge
on women for having done that.
At the same time,
it really represents a lot of
mankind's conflicted role with womankind
which is why the femme fatale
has her web on the one hand,
but is always sort of beautiful
and mysterious and sexy and attractive,
on the other hand.
"If I should die before I live."
That's a nice title.
"By Philip Marlowe."
As a result of the war, women were given,
I think, some broader characters to play.
They didn't have to be quite as cardboard.
And the opportunities for women
have improved for the characters,
that you can have women
who are as tough and as difficult
and as ruinous
as some men have been portrayed.
And you're not through.
You're in the middle.
Deep. Over your head.
No matter what you do now, you're still
part of everything that's happened.
But it's misleading to think that noir
has this misogynistic view of women.
If you look very closely at these films
they're just chock full
of upstanding, forthright women
who are gonna rescue the poor chump
who doesn't know, you know,
the hell he's getting into.
And I just think that that's
as revolutionary a thing for these films
as their depiction of the evil woman.
But maybe it'll teach you
not to overplay a good hand.
Now, she doesn't like you. She hates men.
I hate their women, too.
Especially the big-league blondes.
Beautiful expensive babes
who know what they've got.
And inside, blue steel. Cold!
Cold like that, only not that clingy.
But a femme fatale is somebody
who comes into the office one day
with a problem
that must somehow be solved by the hero,
even though he's not dead sure
what that problem is
and he's pretty sure he's being lied to.
But it's fun finding out
what the problem is.
- What about this dame, Mr. Crystal Ball?
- A dish.
What kind of a dish?
Sixty-cent special. Cheap, flashy,
strictly poison under the gravy.
Amazing, and how do you know all this?
Well, she was married to a hoodlum,
wasn't she?
What kind of a dame would marry a hood?
All kinds.
Marie Windsor, she was a perfect...
She was the heroine,
the villainess, or whatever it was,
of a couple of them,
because there was a thing about her.
It was a thing about some of those actors.
They were wonderful.
My taste doesn't usually run to cops,
but you might not be
such dull company at that.
The femme fatale
is the one-in-a-million kind of woman
who has a magical power over men
and is utterly and completely evil.
- You didn't have to kill him.
- Yes, I did.
You wouldn't have killed him.
He'd have been against us. Gone to Whit.
The part was beautifully written.
It's this terrific role.
Jacques Tourneur, the director,
said to me when I first met him,
"Do you know the word impassive?"
Impassive.
That's what I want. Impassive.
No big eyes.
"Well, it's gonna be hard.
But, okay, I'll try."
He said, "First half, good girl.
Last half, bad girl."
Simple. That's what he wanted.
That's what I gave him.
And it was so easy.
You know, you're a curious man.
You're gonna make every guy you meet
a little bit curious.
The femme fatale is where women
get to be completely the equal of men.
They are equally tempted,
equally compromised, and equally guilty.
And that's kind of a new thing
for Hollywood at this point.
I mean, they were
very independent women.
They knew what they wanted
and they knew how to get it.
You know, the guy has to pick up a gun,
but the woman doesn't need a gun.
She knows exactly what weapons
she has to wield.
You ought to have killed me
for what I did a moment ago.
- There's time.
- No. You won't.
So, all these actresses were, of course,
dying to play the femme fatale
in these movies because they were
the most memorable characters.
Many of the leading actresses of the era
in terms of popularity and compensation
were not the ones you would associate
with beauty contests.
They were paid to portray
a certain type of woman.
They were paid to look good,
but also I think
they had to perform in a way
that both male and female moviegoers
could relate to.
It goes from
actresses as well-known as Ava Gardner
and Rita Hayworth to
obscure, wonderful performances
like Jean Gillie
in a B-film called Decoy,
which is so over the top.
I mean, it's just astounding.
I'm really happy to see that film
kind of being resurrected
'cause it's a jaw-dropper.
I don't think we have femme fatales
in movies today.
I think it's one of the things
that I think is a big loss.
Because a femme fatale
is a woman who makes men go bad.
And that is very interesting.
It always fascinates an audience.
It's a unique kind of woman.
Shoot, do you hear me?
All right.
Claire Trevor is
one of my favorite actresses in film noir.
She's in two of my favorite films.
She's in Key Largo
and she's in Born to Kill.
I think you've got a secret of some kind,
haven't you?
One of the films that people don't think
about very often, that's really underrated
is Born to Kill,directed by Robert Wise.
And Claire Trevor is a terrific actress
and she was terrific in this kind of film.
She really gives
a very believable performance
of someone who stands and says,
"I can have everything that's easy.
I can have everything that's comfortable.
"And why is it there's something
about this darkness, about this unknown
"that's magnetic, that's pulling me back?"
And in the end, believing that she
could toy with this and land on her feet.
Says as her last words,
"You know, this time,
I'm not gonna land on my feet."
And all these lives are destroyed.
Come on out of there!
It's me, Sam, remember?
Tonight's our night.
We still have time for a few kisses
before the police get me.
The ultimate triumph of the hero
against the femme fatale
is when she loses her control,
when her lies no longer work.
Stop, you're killing him!
Jerry, stop it!
Barbara Stanwyck, because
she was sort of slightly tomboyish
and not extremely beautiful.
I mean, I wanted to be like Gilda
and Rita Hayworth, you know, but I...
That just seemed so unattainable,
but Barbara Stanwyck, she just was
just a tough cookie
and I just always responded to her.
Confidence.
I want a man to give me confidence.
Somebody to fight off
the blizzards and the floods,
somebody to beat off the world
when it tries to swallow you up.
Me and my ideas.
Are you?
- Am I what?
- Glad you're home.
Home is where you come
when you run out of places.
The star of film noir is fate.
Just doesn't get a screen credit.
Fate isn't just a character in noir.
It's the way the plot works.
There's always this idea that in a sense
the audience is somewhat aware
of where things are heading
the way the characters aren't necessarily.
But there's always a feeling,
I think, with the best film noir
that things are going to end badly,
and I think that fate
does hang heavy over the characters.
Psychological frailty is fate,
and film noir is nothing
but psychological frailty.
The difference between the '30s,
early '40s gangster movie,
the Jimmy Cagney classic
and the film noir,
is really generational.
If you think about the '30s movies
of Edward G. Robinson
in Little Caesar,he had no decision,
it was not some great moral question
that came to mind.
He was either gonna kill that guy
and take over the racket, or get killed.
Film noir, I know people might not
think this, but they're much subtler.
There are choices to make.
And the key is the choice you make
takes you down that road.
But it was your decision to get in the car.
It's your decision whether or not
to go with Barbara Stanwyck
and get involved with killing her husband.
Your fate is not dictated to you
as it is in the '30s
and early '40s gangster movie.
Your fate is in your hands
by your decision,
and that's what makes it noir.
All these elements come together
to create this vortex of doom
that we're drawn into.
Oh, Dr. Craig,
you've come to see Miss Shelby off.
No.
I've come to take her with me.
The tombstone of film noir was
and intentionally so, was Touch Of Evil.
It was like the official end
where it'd taken all these film noir devices
right to their extreme.
But the real end of it came with television
and the '50s family
that television came to glorify.
And then at the end of the classic noir era,
law and order came back in
in a very heavy-handed way,
not coincidently coincides
with the witch-hunt.
The Communist witch-hunt in Hollywood.
And they said,
"Look, you can't depict these characters
"having valid sociological reasons
for what they do.
"They're just crazy."
Then Warner Brothers put out
White Heat with Jimmy Cagney
and it's just, the guy is a psycho.
- How you doing, partner?
- It's stuffy in here. I need some air.
Oh, stuffy, huh? I'll give it a little air.
Any movement in art comes out
of the times in which it's made.
So it's interesting, I think,
that as it faded off,
it was in the '70s that it came back.
Late '60s and '70s, which I think is
sort of because of Vietnam,
has got the audience in a mindset
where they were into the film noir again.
What's the matter, Corporal?
I'm all right.
Chinatown paid off the promise
of all those detective novels,
all the detective movies
based on those novels.
Film noir is still hard to do
and it's particularly hard to do in color.
A great example of it is Memento,
which is Chris Nolan's film
that plays backward.
All the films I've made
have been strongly influenced by
watching these films and other thrillers.
And I've tried in my films
to follow that same pattern.
I think the best noirs are films
that don't try to be.
They sort of wake up
and find themselves there.
And now there are many films
that are paying homage
to these incredibly wonderful films.
Sin City would be one.
Usual Suspects would be another.
There are many.
Doesn't look so good for Mr. Lacy.
When film noir shows up
in the popular sense,
always is associated with a society
that's a little more cynical
and a little bit more
paranoid and suspicious.
If it's making a rebound now,
it might again be
because that factor makes people
more open to cynicism
and makes the people making the movies
more interested in exploring
that part of themselves.
- Don't just...
- Don't what?
- I don't wanna die.
- Neither do I, baby.
But if I have to, I'm gonna die last.
Young filmmakers,
when they're first starting out.
Before they become encumbered
by the things that they think
give them freedom.
Before they have big budgets
and before they have long schedules,
what they are left with
is the tools to make a film noir.
And from that they have the influence
of filmmakers
like Fritz Lang, John Houston,
Michael Curtiz, Orson Wells
who all made these great films.
Come on, Boss,
let's finish it the way we started it.
On the level.