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well the largest
percentage of Internet users in the world is
in China China has a population 1.3 billion they have
22 million five hundred thousand internet users
I excuse me 538 million
internet users which accounts for 20 percent have all the Internet users in
the world
the United States is number two where population three to thirteen thousand
have 245,000 internet users a ten point two percent
the world we used a very different business models
in China the big backbone networks are owned by four stock companies CT net
China net sir net and China being a
and then the all the internet service providers there are three major network
companies that
actually deliver the Internet to your door these are
again stock companies you can buy stock in the China Telecom China Unicom and
China Mobile
and those companies decided a long time ago i mean from from the get-go that
they would decide
what you could see or what what you cookin
what you could reach and how fast you could reach it with your internet
service
now up to this point actually up until last couple years
many of their decisions have been political increasingly those
decisions are economic arm other corporations by
access and 8.1 a faster connection here in the United States we had
up until today we had
a open internet an open access internet which means that the Internet was
serve the function up basically no water pipes
it it had it did not discriminate based on Nov on the water flowing through it
on the content flowing through it
and so therefore companies like Comcast at the largest
internet provider in the United States could not say
you know the airtime spiffed us with an extra $30 million bucks this year's or
deliver them
a whole lot faster to you and we really don't like the politics
I love say for example less government dotnet
and so we're just gonna block them you can see them today
the United States District Court that the United States
District Court for the day Circuit Court for the District of Columbia
ruled that the Chinese system
is how it's going to be in the united states that big corporations are gonna
get to decide what you see
when you see at how fast you see it and they can decide based on any criteria
they choose here with us to be found at the Chinese Internet
position is seed motley president of less government course you get what's
coming up more corporations
a Seton less government dotnet as the website welcome back
River covered outdoor but I'll catch sposato .org I want to escape a dotnet
ice and I yeah that's a long story it's not your fault it says it all
would all go at it just started noticing I was I was asleep behind the door and
try to get them to put it back behind the door I
ok it was a bear they got said why the okay
it so let's go and ottawa doing these are wrong in your introduction but OK
ok arm so how does how does the Chinese system benefit me
thought you we have nothing to do with the chinese system your entire paradigm
a reduction
is fatally flawed what wow will
let's let's just stick to beer is it not true that most irv
the most to the Internet users in China get their information through 13 big
Internet service providers well we have
and is that also not true the United States no it's not true at all
the more than fifty percent of all people in assets get their internet data
through three companies to access the Internet by 20 per 1000 is most absurdly
low number of all time
do not united to locate wireless connections
to the Internet are with for $245 million
not for you he said South Pole that I misspoke 245 million 203,000 319
as the latest data and and and and a country it's raining thirteen million so
basically anybody who's
over five years old has an internet connection exactly an actor by:
by-laws could be satellite there's this is a very different ways you can act
arm and what you in
and okay so who you are why do you wanna shoes
one company over the other and all come up with the government
to cronies socialized with the group also the world
and the Netflix the world at the expense of Grandma's email your grandkids why do
you want to do that
well that would be your model next with the chinese model that would be the
government
if you cannot charge big boy in which users
for the mob in with the use you have to socialize that cost
across the week we already had that seed now you know my wife
ran over her Louise ran over her internet usage on her phone this
weaker she forgot to turn wifi on and I just got a notice from AT&T that I get
an extra 100 bucks on my bill
well as christiane well thats the it again that's because you're
that has nothing to do the Supreme Court decision that has nothing to do with
AT&T sane will deliver will deliver
New York Times to know if Aston easily grab gonna leave comments to deliver
less government i dont
if you go into a gas station so often escalate do you not
do or do not pay more but if you go to a gas station so often escort
in both cases their gasoline yes I'm not talking about pain
this has nothing to do with what consumers are pain this decision today
had nothing to do with the price that you and I are gonna pay for an answer
also I'm a bit earlier do is understand basic economics never see if anything
this might drive down the price of internet usage because the internet
service providers now have a second revenue stream
they can go to the New York Times and say give us money to tap fast passage
through our pipes
and they can go to you and me and say give us money tab at as badges terabytes
and maybe we don't have to catch all the time Tom
you compare you pay for delivered to next week or tomorrow
any pay more for tomorrow this really does this Tom
this editor for missing too let me know that space
this is not fair tax we're talking about the internet we're talking about a
public comments
but there is always one internet there's multiple for taxes
but as mobile speed governor tom is more probable David
are I understand that but we're talking about content
they're talking about on time you don't understand now obviously
now we're talking about content your your your stand in for the chinese model
%uh the three big companies are allowed to make insurers
on which content they deliver fast was contacted a little slow
there which content they deliver not at all and why is that to my advantage
right way for computer if you take for next week or next day delivery
you're okay with that so you're saying that if I start if I give Comcast comes
to me and says all we see that you're using a lot of the New York Times
so you get you will have to pay a section two dollars basically a Comcast
must do is they won't turn this into the cable TV
arm now help decide something Tom they want to turn this into the cable TV
model when they say
and if you're playing but it's not happening here in reality
that's not happening Tom know if this is what they argued before they expire
before the circuit court have you read the decision CVPR
red large talk to the yes it just came out today have you ever have you seen
were in the decision the Court walk it back itself a page 17 they said you know
if their way
are our task in reviewing as the reincarnate to assess the wisdom of the
open Internet order
rather uncertain whether commissions demonstrate the regulations fall within
the scope have the authority to do it they basically apologize for their
decision
worker to democrat appointees wrote the decision
bond and their the Republican actually agreed with them no in public it's
the last paragraph for the despair the guy said what this political
does it allows some companies to get rent seeking government assistance at
the expense of other companies
theses now authorized to do that
government assistance yes how
pushed net neutrality for a decade
because it could them billions of dollars a year problem with the years
so you are Comcast to be able to charge Google why how is that going to keep
comcast in charge in your spare time
ESPN was negotiating with companies to pay for your
Glenwood to be delivered so that customers are consumers the readers and
viewers
want to have to pay that's a problem for consumers
top so going to the cable TV model where we say okay these other
I want ESPN I want Google but I have to pay extra for
was gonna .org Tom at a good things why
you don't understand how economic or well okay I get it the United
we've been talking quite some time you haven't figured out any info
okay economic well you all
I'll I'll study are I'll go back into a little more story an economic seat mile
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his website less government dot or seat and thank you for dropping by
going to do so
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this is the Thom Hartmann program I think it's very interesting that we lost
the open Internet today
I think it's probably the biggest story now probably and it's the biggest early
today I'm surprised all the networks and all over