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>> Judge Jeanine: WE'RE BACK
WITH SHERIFF TOM HODGSON.
COMACHO, BOARD PRESIDENT OF A
LATIN AMERICAN IMMIGRANT
ORGANIZATION, BOARD MEMBER OF
THE ACLU OF MASSACHUSETTS AND
KARRIE BRETZ IS AN IMMIGRATION
COMMUNITY.
WELCOME.
WHY IS SECURE COMMUNITIES
PROFILING?
>> YOU TAKE THAT.
>> IT IS PROFILING BECAUSE,
FIRST OF ALL, WE HEAR THE
ARGUMENT THAT IT IS A DATA
SHARING PROGRAM IN WHICH WE AL
KNOW THAT COMPUTERS ARE COLOR
BLIND.
HOWEVER, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND
WHO IS DOING THE ARRESTING IN
THE FIRST PLACE.
THERE ARE TONS OF STUDIES AND
DOCUMENTATION OF POLICE DOING
WHAT IS CALLED PRETEXTUAL
STOPS.
>> Judge Jeanine: IF YOU ARE
SAYING THEY ARE ARRESTING THE
WRONG GUY THAT IS A TOTALLY
DIFFERENT ISSUE THAN SENDING
INFORMATION OF EVERYBODY IN A
DATABASE.
>> RACIAL PROFILING IS A
PHENOMENA THAT EXISTS IN LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
>> Judge Jeanine: HOW IS IT
RAISIAL PROFILING IF I ARREST
NINE PEOPLE AND SEND ALL OF
THEIR RECORDS TO WASHINGTON.
>> IT WILL NOT ELIMINATE RACIL
PROFILING AND MAY EVEN
ENCOURAGE IT?
>> Judge Jeanine: HOW?
>> THE TOLLWAY REALLY WORKS IS
A TRAFFIC OFFICER MAKES A STO.
A REGULAR STOP FOR AN ILLEGAL
LANE CHANGE AND THEN SAYS WAIT
A SECOND THERE IS AN ACCENT
HERE.
WHAT IS YOUNGSTERS URINARA
YOUR STATUS IN THE U.S.?
THEN THE PERSON GETS.
>> Judge Jeanine: WHY DO I NOT
BELIEVE YOU WHEN I WENT THROUGH
GUAM AND ALAMEDA TORRES.
PEOPLE DEPORTED COMING BACK
WITH RECORDS.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WITH FELONIES
WHO AREN'T DEPORTED.
WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT?
>> THAT IS SELECTIVE, JEANINE.
>> Judge Jeanine: JUDGE.
>> JUDGE, EXCUSE ME, I'M SORR.
>> Judge Jeanine: THAT'S OKAY.
>> THAT IS NOT A PHENOMENA
STRICTLY RESTRICTED TO THE
IMMIGRANT COMMUNITY OR LATINO
COMMUNITY.
>> Judge Jeanine: BUT THEY ARE
KILLING PEOPLE.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT,
ADDRESSING THE ISSUES OF
CRIMINALITY IS SOMETHING THAT
WE NEED TO DO BUT SECURE
COMMUNITIES DOES NOT GET US
THERE.
>> Judge Jeanine: WAIT A
MINUTE.
GO AHEAD.
>> SECURITY COMMUNITIES DOES
GET US THERE.
START WITH THE FACT THESE
PEOPLE ARE ILLEGAL.
THEY DON'T BELONG HERE AND THAT
IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
>> Judge Jeanine: WHY DON'T YOU
WANT TO CAREY OR -- WHY DON'T
YOU WANT TO DEPORT ILLEGALS?
>> YOU CAN'T DEPORT 13 MILLION
PEOPLE.
>> WHEN I WAS THE D.
A.
IF I SAID I HAVE TOO MUCH I
CAN'T DEAL WITH IT, I WILL GO
HOME.
>> BUT YOU PRIORITIZE.
>> THE GUY WITH A FELONY WHO
ASSAULTED A POLICE OFFICER.
>> CRIMINAL ALIEN PROGRAM
DERTS 400,000 PEOPLE A YEAR
AND IDENTIFIES PEOPLE IN JAILS.
>> Judge Jeanine: WE HAVE
PEOPLE WHO WERE CONVICTED AND
SPENT TIME IN JAIL AND THEN
WHEN THEY HAVE PROBATION WHAT
HAPPENED WAS THEY WERE ILLEGALS
AND THEY WERE STILL ON
PROBATION.
THEY CAN'T FIGURE THIS STUFF
OUT.
>> THE SYSTEM IS TREMENDOUS
RIGHT NOW.
PEOPLE GO INTO DOWNSTATE AND
GET IDENTIFIED AS DEPORTABLE
AND THE DEPORTATION CASES DO.
>> Judge Jeanine: YOU ARE
TELLING ME ABOUT CASES THAT ARE
WORKING.
WHAT ARE YOU WORRIED ABOUT IF
WE SEND THE INFORMATION TO THE
FBI?
WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
>> YOU WASTE RESOURCES ON THE
VISA OVERSTAY.
THE GUY WHO JUMPED THE BORDER
TEN YEARS AGO.
>> Judge Jeanine: WASTE
RESOURCES?
YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
RESOURCES -- SHERIFF.
>> IF WE DIDN'T LEARN ANYTHING
POST 9/11 ONE THING WE LEARNED
IS THAT WE NEEDED TO DO
EVERYTHING WE COULD TO GET AS
MUCH INFORMATION SHARING
BETWEEN STATE, LOCAL AND
FEDERAL AGENCIES AND THE BOTTOM
LINE IS THAT IF A GUY GETS PUT
IN THERE AND HE OVERSTAYED HIS
VISA, I SHOULD KNOW THAT.
ABSOLUTELY I SHOULD KNOW THAT.
>> Judge Jeanine: OF COURSE,
THEY SHOULD.
GABRIEL, YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT
SOREURCES.
YOU KNOW HOW MANY AMERICANS ARE
LIVING IN POVERTY.
46 MILLION OF THEM.
UNMANY PLOYMENT OVER 9%.
WE SHOULD WE TOLERATE THIS
PROBLEM WHEN IT IS NOT JUST A
CRIMINAL BURDEN, IT IS AN
ECONOMIC BURDEN?
PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PAYING THEIR
TAXES AREN'T GOING TO GET
SOCIAL SECURITY.
>> IMMIGRANTS PAY THEIR TAXES
ALSO.
>> Judge Jeanine: DO THEY FILE
A TAX RETURN?
WHAT DOES THAT MN EATHEY PAY
THEIR TAXES?
>> EXCUSE ME, CAN I HAVE A SAY
HERE?
>> ALSO UNDOCUMENTED IMMIGRANTS
PAY PAYROLL TAXES AND ALSO GET
A NUMBER WITH THE IRS TO FILE
TAX RETURNS.
>> Judge Jeanine: I WILL BET
YOU $100 THAT GUAMAN NEVER PAID
ANY TAXES.
>> IF I MAY FINISH THE POINT.
WE DON'T KNOW THAT AND YOU
DON'T KNOW THAT EITHER.
>> Judge Jeanine: THAT IT WHAT
I WILL BET YOU AND ILE SAY IT
NEXT WEEK.
>> AS A MATTER OF FACT, THERE
IS SOMETHING CALLED THE
EARNINGS SUSPENSE FUND IN THE
SOCIAL SECURITY TRUST FUND.
THAT IS ALL THE MONEY THAT IS
DEDUCTED FROM UNDOCUMENTED
IMMIGRANTS THAT DRAW PAY CHECS
AND PAY THEIR TAXES.
THAT MONEY STAY THERE'S.
IT IS UP TO $520 BILLION AND
THEY WILL NEVER SEE THAT MONE.
>> IF THE 113 MILLION PAID
TAXES.
>> IF YOU LEGALIZED THE
13 MILLION IN A COMPREHENSIVE