>>> Coming up
next on "Arizona Horizon,"
congresswoman Ann Kirkpatrick
joins us to talk about a variety
of issues affecting Arizona,
including immigration, which is
the focus of a new statewide
poll that shows support for
comprehensive immigration
reform.
>>> Those stories, next, on
"Arizona Horizon."
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>>> Good evening, and welcome to
"Arizona Horizon."
I'm Ted Simons.
>>> Attorney general Tom Horne
is warning the town of Bisbee
that the state will go to court
to stop a proposed city
ordinance allowing civil union
force Gay couples.
The council is considering that
ordinance tonight.
Horne says the city does haven't
the authority to enact such a
measure and the impact of the
ordinance goes beyond city
boundaries.
Horne issued the warning after
receiving complaints from the
three-state lawmakers that
represent Bisbee.
>>> "Arizona Republic" reports
there's another group interested
in big the coyotes and keeping
the 19 Glendale.
The group is led by Darin
pastor, the founder after wealth
management firm out of
California.
Pastor says he's been in
communication with the national
hockey league and hopes to meet
with city officials tomorrow.
But Glendale mayor Jerry Weiers
says he's never spoken to pastor
and doesn't know who he is.
>>> A5-year plan to expand
terminal three at Sky Harbor
will be considered by the
Phoenix city council tomorrow.
If approved the renovation was
begin next year and involvement
expansion of security
checkpoints, ticket areas,
baggage claim, and passenger
loading areas.
The plan also includes adding
nine gates to the terminal.
Once the expansion of terminal
three is completed, terminal two
is scheduled to be closed.
>>> Arizona representative Ann
Kirkpatrick is backs on Capitol
Hill after a two-year hiatus
following a defeat in the polls.
Kirkpatrick is back representing
Arizona's first congressional
district which covers much of
northern and eastern Arizona.
Joining us now is representative
Ann Kirkpatrick.
Good to see you again.
>> Thank you so much.
My pleasure.
>> We touched on this in the
headlines, we're going to talk
about it later in the show
regarding the statewide poll on
immigration reform.
What is happening back on
Capitol Hill?
>> You're seeing a lot more
bipartisan action.
Happy to see that eight senator
were able to get together and
define the principles they'd
like addressed.
There's a group in the house of
representatives also working on
that.
And it should be a bipartisan
solution.
One of the first reasons I ran
for Congress was my frustration
that Congress wasn't dealing
with this and addressing the
problems.
So I'm more optimistic than ever
that we'll be able to get this
done it.
>> seems like securing the
border is always a major factor
here.
A major impact at play.
What does that mean?
>> That's always been the
question.
What does that mean?
One of my colleagues, the
congressman in Texas would like
to define what that means.
As working on legislation that
would do just that.
Because then that takes that off
the table.
So we can say, OK, here's the
definition.
Where is the border, and where
does it need that criteria,
where does it not?
Then we direct resources to that
area.
Then we can move to the more
economic issues, dealing with
worker Visas, people who really
want to come here and contribute
to our economy.
>> Does the idea of a group of
perhaps sheriff, counsel city
officials, just some sort of
state official that work along
the border and getting them
together as a group and they
define border security, does
that make sense to you?
>> It does make sense to me to
have a definition.
We've always been saying what is
border security?
Let's define it and let us move
on.
>> What about E-verify?
Is that enough for employee
verification?
>> That's a question still.
What I did is I put together an
immigration advisory group,
broad spectrum.
It has restaurant owners, motel
owners, farmers, ranchers,
chambers, business people,
dreamers --
Faith groups, let's talk about
that.
I've heard from some folks
yesterday when I was down in Oro
valley, they're not sure the
system works.
So I think we need to look at
it.
>> How about this idea of
admitting new workers only when
Americans can't be found?
Again this, is part of the gang
of eight platform here, and yet
how viable is something like
that?
>> I think it is important to
protect American jobs.
We still have a jobs deficit in
this country.
We have 11 million people who
still aren't working.
We're going to have to find a
balance, but the farm bureau has
introduced a bill that's very
interesting and is getting some
support.
It businessically says if you're
an agricultural worker and you
can show that you have an
employment U. then you're given
legal status at that time, and
you're given about a year in
which you can convert that into
either a work Visa or a pathway
to citizenship.
So very sensible way to deal
with agricultural workers.
>> But that's agricultural
workers, what about other
workers, would they need to be
sponsored?
And again, it seems there's a
dispute over the wages for
low-skilled workers.
How do you see that?
>> It will be interesting to see
what the senate does with those
details.
And of course we're still
waiting to see.
>> Sure.
OK.
Sour waiting for the gang much
eight to --
>> seeing progress, but --
That's right.
Not details.
I'm sure there will be much
debate about that.
>> I know something you're very
interested in, very involved in
is this planned copper mine in
superior.
Give us an overview of what's
going on there and give us an
update of what's happened
recently.
>> I talked about more
bipartisan action, and certainly
we're finding that with that
issue.
I'm working with congressman
Paul GOSSAR, we've cosponsored
legislation are terror make that
land swap available so they can
develop that mine.
We believe that the indirect and
direct jobs that it will create
is 3,700, and the financial
impact of the state of Arizona
is in the billions of dollars.
It is one of the richest copper
ore.
ORE bodies in North America,
maybe in the world.
We've got a great opportunity
for all of Arizona.
>> This would be the largest
copper mine in North America?
>> The richest copper ORE body,
so the largest concentration of
copper ORE in the extraction.
>> You mentioned jobs and
economic impact, so --
But that would be over the 60
some-odd year life span of the
mine.
Correct?
>> That's correct.
The bill is not purr.
There's some issues regarding
the environment that we're still
trying to work out.
We had a hearing right before I
came back for this district work
period, and there are some folks
who have some serious concerns
and they were able to testify in
the congressional hearing, have
their comments put in as part of
the congressional record.
>> And we've had some of those
folks on the show, and some of
the things they're especially
worried about is maybe
threatening of the water supply
out there.
Is that a serious threat?
>> Well, that's why we have to
do these environmental impact
studies.
Because we won't know that until
we have the data and the
science.
>> There's also a concern
regarding some of these areas
are sacred tribal areas.
What do you know about that?
>> There are sacred tribal areas
for the San Carlos Apache, and I
understand having grown up on
tribal land myself, that that is
part of their spirituality and
their culture, and very
respectful of that.
On the other hand, this is the
copper corridor.
I have to represent all my
constituents, and the folks in
that area are miners.
They have been for generations
and generations.
And they want this to happen.
>> There's also a bit of concern
regarding --
There are foreign firms in here,
foreign companies, and they
would pay little if any in the
way of royalties.
That doesn't sound right.
Talk to us about that.
>> Well, you're right.
They should be community
partners.
And that's one of the things
we're talking about that's
ongoing.
It's interesting that mining
companies, the international
mining companies have gotten so
large, that there's just a
handful of companies big enough
to do this kind of mining.
>> So basically this --
These are the only people you
can get involved with, you
sometimes have to play by their
rules?
>> Well, let's have a
conversation.
What I'm saying, there's a
balance to this.
And we've been talking with all
the stakeholders on this.
Trying to address their
concerns.
You and I had talked earlier
about the rock climbers.
There's been an agreement
reached with the rock climbers,
so that area where they like to
climb has been protected.
So there's movement.
There are ways to do this in a
bam answered way, and that's
what we're striving to do.
>> Last question on this, it
sounds like the company is
threatening or has laid off
hundreds of work there's were
involved in this particular
project.
What's that all about?
>> Apparently they had some
concerns about the ongoing
negotiations for this land
exchange, and without that, they
can't do the mining.
And so they felt I think for
economic reasons they needed to
be careful.
>> So does that mean it's slow
going here right now, or --
>> actually, it isn't.
We're working in the house, I
think the fact congressman Gosar
and I are working together is
good, and people perceive that
as a balanced approach.
Talking now with some of the
senators who will move this
forward.
>> It's a controversial issue.
What are you hearing from the
residents in that area?
Or close to that area?
>> They've been miners for
generations.
They want the jobs.
And the way I look at it, what
I'm striving for, Ted, is a
diversified stable economy in
Arizona.
And that means mining is part of
that, we have ranching, farming,
we have biotech, I was just at a
biotech firm yesterday, we've
got great opportunities.
And this is one of those.
It is a diverse district,
diverse state, but the folks in
that area are miners, and these
are the jobs that they want.
And we've got this opportunity
with this very, very rich copper
ore body.
>> Something else that critics
say will threaten jobs is this
new EPA haze standard over
Arizona.
And this involves three Arizona
coal fire plants and if these
standards --
We're hearing everything from
these plants closing down, to
eight times higher rates for
rural customers.
What do you know about the EPA
regulations?
>> We still have a jobs deficit
in this country.
And certainly in congressional
district one.
And so the Anthony Forschino hoe
generating station and the mine
create about 1100 jobs in that
area.
And the vast majority of those
jobs go to Native Americans.
You know the district has 12
tribes, it's 25% Native
American, and the median
household income is $7,000 per
family.
So these are good jobs, there is
no other economy that can pick
up those jobs if we lose them.
So we'd like again to have a
balanced approach with the EPA.
Yes, we want clean air, but we
also need to balance that with
jobs and economic development.
And so the other concern we have
is that it's not only northern
Arizona, but that generating
station is the primary energy
source for the CAP.
And so my farmers in the
southern part of the district
are very concerned because if we
don't get these negotiations
right, they're going to see
their cost of water go up.
And that's going to hurt
agriculture.
>> It's --
>> it's a delicate balance.
>> Indeed.
We've had people on the show
regarding this particular issue,
and some would say the state put
itself in this position because
the EPA kept asking for a plan,
and the state kept slow-footing
it, and the EPA finally said,
here's your plan.
>> Well, what we would like to
do now is work with the EPA.
We do need some time to
implement the plan.
But keep in mind, I have four
coal fire plants in my district.
All were established with
approval of the government
regulations at the time.
Things have evolved.
But let's work together.
>> Is there a compromise here?
>> There is.
I really do think there is.
>> We're talking about haze of
the Grand Canyon.
That's pretty sensitive stuff.
>> And it is sensitive.
And we can get there.
We can work together.
>> Sequestration, what is the
latest, and how again does it
affect your district and what
can you --
What can anyone back there on
Capitol Hill do?
>> It's here.
I am disappointed.
I was hoping we could work in a
bipartisan manner.
To not take a meat axe approach
to this, but let's look at
targets, where ecan cut the
budget.
But it's seriously affecting my
district.
I have 11 national parks.
You mentioned the Grand Canyon.
That's going to affect
operations at the Grand Canyon.
Over 95% of the land in the
district is public land.
So we rely on the reimbursement
to run our schools, so that's
going to be cut.
So we're seeing cuts in schools,
head start, national park
service, job layoff, at a really
critical time when things are
starting to improve slightly, in
terms of economic development
jobs, but they're very fragile,
and this is not going to help.
>> You mentioned sequestration
is here, and it is, but there's
also I've heard the idea that
you can phase in slowly some of
these cuts, phase some of them
in quicker, maybe delay as much
as you can, that it's not just
one curtain fall and everything
ends.
>> that's right.
>> Is there movement on Capitol
Hill to, you know, stretch it
out to the point where calmer
heads can prevail?
>> There is.
We did pass the continuing
resolution to fund the budget
for the rest of the fiscal year,
so we're not going to shut down
government.
In that legislation we provided
for some administrative decision
making in terms of some of the
departments in terms of
sequestration.
So we said, we'll let you decide
where it makes sense to make
these cuts.
Homeland security is one of
those, agriculture, FDA.
And so giving them the
discretion to determine what's
best for their agency.
>> Does it sound like they're
taking that discretion and using
it and then some?
>> It does.
I think everybody is taking this
seriously.
And we'd like to have more
efficiencies, and economies in
the way we run our government.
We've got to do that.
>> And it brings up my last
question, you alluded to it when
you talked about the superior
coal mine and your copper mine
and your cooperation and your
work with representative Gosar.
From when you were there before
to when you're back there now,
are you seeing a difference?
From a distance it seems like
between gay marriage and other
issues, immigration, that seems
like the ice has been broken a
little bit.
Do you get that impression?
>> I do.
Very much so.
All of the major pieces of
legislation that we've passed
since January have had democrats
and Republicans voting for them.
And as I said, I see much more
bipartisan action.
Not just talking about it, but
actually doing something.
The freshman class, this new
class that came in really is
dedicated to working across the
aisle.
That's good policy making.
And they've set up a new caucus
called united solutions.
Really to, let's work together,
let's solve these problems.
>> Why do you think that change
has happened?
>> Because of the last election.
That's what we heard from the
voters, that they want.
They want people who can work
across the aisle and get things
done.
And we listened.
>> And this is my last question.
What do you plan on working on,
what do you emphasize now as you
get back to work and get back to
D.C.?
>> For me it's still about jobs
and building this diversified
stable economy in Arizona.
One of my committees is
transportation and
infrastructure.
So we're working on some good
highway projects, water resource
projects, we may do some
nationally.
But I'm also going around to all
the communities talking about
roads, bridges, in our local
communities.
That we may be able to get
funding for that will create
jobs, but also build up our
critical infrastructure at a
time when it's really decaying
and we need to do something.
>> Sounds like that all bets are
off with sequestration, correct?
>> In the committee we'll be
talking about the projects, but
also how to fund them.
>> All right.
Very good.
It's good to have you.
Good to see you again.
>> Thank you so much.
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>>> A new statewide poll
commissioned by the Arizona
chamber of commerce and industry
shows widespread support for the
immigration reform plan being
worked on by the so-called gang
of eight, a bipartisan group of
U.S. senators that includes
Arizona's John McCain and Jeff
flake.
Here to tell us more about the
poll is Garrick Taylor, he's
senior vice-president of
government relation and
communications for the chime per
of commerce and industry.
Thanks for joining us.
>> thanks for having me.
>> Statewide survey on
immigration, what were you
looking for, what did you find?
>> We've got two senators here
who as you mentioned are part of
the gang of eight.
We wanted to see what do Arizona
voters think about what they're
putting on the table, and the
results are pretty positive.
>> Let's start with who
conducted the public opinion
strategy.
>> It's a brand name firm,
national reputation.
They are partners in the NBC
"Wall Street Journal" poll.
>> What question were asked?
>> We put in front of voters,
these are the elements that the
gang of eight is pursuing, what
do you think?
It was straight up or down.
Do you support or oppose?
>> Not necessarily being --
Not all together, just again, if
there are four separate
entities, can you like one and
disapprove of three?
>> It was up or down, one
question.
That included everything from
the path to citizenship with the
stronger border security down to
a stronger worker verification
system.
>> Let's start with that path to
citizenship.
Securing the border, stopping --
Talk to us more about that.
>> Jeff flake was at a chamber
luncheon, and he talked about
this.
The vast majority of the legal
im--
The illegal immigrants are not
necessarily those who hop the
fence and came across the
border.
But those who legally entered
through a port of entry, and
merely overstayed their Visa.
And we don't have a system, at
least robust one in this
country, for internal
enforcement that sends those
people back.
In Arizona we've got E-verify
that's used in the workplace to
determine worker eligibility.
And we ask folks if we could
strengthen border security, and
then move to some sort of system
of the path to citizenship for
those folks who are here in an
undocumented way, would you
support it?
And it seems, and like we talked
about, we can't break it out by
point by point, it seems there's
support there.
>> And again, as I continually
ask, securing the border.
Does that mean not a single
individual, not a fly can get
across, or what does it mean?
>> As senator flake has said, we
don't need a sealed border.
We need a secure border.
He's pointed to the Yuma border
patrol sector as one that fits
that definition for him.
So we probably have a ways to go
in the Tucson sector, but right
here in the Yuma sector we've
got some positive things to
show.
>> Another aspect of the
questionnaire was, improving the
legal immigration system.
How was that worded, what did
you find?
>> That's a big issue in
Arizona.
Especially within the high-tech
community.
We've got a system here where
we're training the best and
brightest in our Universities.
And then we wish them bon voyage
as they go back to their home
country.
We've got to find a way around
that.
If you talk to employers around
the chamber board table, whether
it's from the AG sector,
low-skilled sector, or the
high-skilled sector, somebody
making silicone wafers, they
will tell you our immigration
system, our legal Visa system
has too much red tape and
bureaucracy.
And it seems that voters agree.
They recognize the need to have
ready and able work force to
meet our labor needs, whether
it's on the low-skilled end or
high-skilled end.
>> As far as the labor needs are
concerned, another aspect of the
question was that you need that
verification system improved.
>> That's right.
>> Strengthening, what, E-verify
or just a system period?
>> Or something like it.
In Arizona you go into most
business establishments and
you'll see the placard in the
window, this business
participates in E-verify.
You're not going to see that in
every state around the country.
A lot of it has to do with our
legal Arizona workers act that
the statewide law that was
signed here that puts tough
sanctions on businesses that
knowingly hire undocumented
workers.
It seems that the Arizona
electorate has gotten to a
comfort level with that.
It seems it's working.
And if that were to be rolled
out nationwide, voters might --
They might have some comfort
with that.
>> The final aspect, the top
four, the main Len Munsiling of
this reform plan is admitting
new workers only when Americans
can't be found.
I asked representative
Kirkpatrick, I'll ask you, how
viable is something like that?
>> It's going to be tough.
The chamber would tend to trend
towards something that is market
driven, at least as much as
possible.
It would seem voters --
And I don't think anybody can
fault this, we don't want a
guest worker system that is
displacing available American
workers.
But if you have those sectors of
the economy, whether it's
agriculture, whether it's
high-tech, a guest worker system
might be the best way to fill
those positions.
>> is there a time frame to
search for those U.S. workers?
>> There is, but as senator
flake at our luncheon today did
not want to get too far now the
front of the gang of eight
today.
Something he said, Ted, is that
when the gang of eight's
proposal finally becomes solid
at the end of this congressional
recess, not everybody is going
to be overjoyed with what's in
there.
And that might be the sign that
we have hit the sweet spot.
That might be the bill that gets
throughout house and senate.
It's going to be a bill that not
everybody loves.
>> Let's talk about the results
as far as your statewide survey
is concerned.
72%?
>> It's surprising.
And that is across ethnic
selection, the --
Where the --
Whether you're rural or urban.
You name it, it's got broad
support, 72%.
And it's got high support I
respective of party affiliation.
>> I was going to say sounds
like Republicans, 74%,
democrats, 69%.
Independents, 75%.
And by ideology, you've got
liberals at 76% approval and Tea
Party members 73%.
I find it difficult to believe
any questionnaire that includes
the phrase "path to citizenship"
would get much support from the
Tea Party at all, regardless of
what else is involved.
>> Without my crystal ball I
don't know how every respondent
may have taken that question,
but they were told up front, we
were talking about this being
incumbent upon, or being
predicated on strong border
security.
And that seems ton the linchpin.
You saw senator McCain and
senator flake and senator
Bennett, they are very aware,
and are terror senator McCain
and senator flake's credit
they've made high pressure their
fellow gang of eight members
know that border security has to
be a top component of this
package.
And perhaps it's the electorate
in Arizona that knowing and with
some measure of confidence that
the border security is going to
be there, they'll support the
package.
>> So what do we take from this?
>> It seems the gang of eight
has hit the sweet spot.
These four broad points they're
laying out, it's going to have
support, even the senator today
mentioned that he's getting a
lot of calls, a lot of feedback,
but not at the pitch level of
rhetoric he was seeing a few
years ago.
>> Garrett, good to have you
here.
Thanks for joining us.
>>> Wednesday on "Arizona
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legislative update with the
"Arizona Capitol Times" and
representative Ed pastor will
join us in studio to discuss
state and national issues.
and 10:00 on the
next "Arizona Horizon."
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