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you know we tried to some crazy on this show we try to form our audience
and out was that it will bring out ari berman because he's been talking to us
about jim messina value almost never hear about but you really should cuz i
think it is incredibly telling as to little bottle lighthouses
lance on issues and where they're headed so all right
of course is with the nation one nine nine percent item aging
to talk to you spikes fusion ticket for you now a days but now it's good to talk
to tell
the bright right back to a
uh... old-school of so are you
it from people at home
who don't know if you're missus
at telus what his position is now and where did come from what is he
anwar or piano borrowed id don't bother
campaign manager
for the reelection campaign that he was previously deputy reluctantly obama
white house
uh... top deputy to rob a manual
and before that was a top aide to montana senator
max baucus and i profile with peanut
that came out of pink few months ago at this point and i'm assuming that you
want to talk to him because the obama campaign is ram pickup things right now
yeah
more about him
so first of all tell me about i'd love your article on and i think it's
instructive to how they can run the campaign etcetera so tell me about a
that article of the tell me about for example what happened with campaign for
america's future
cher robin that you look let me step back a little bit from let me know when
it was bra into the white house basically as rock pop deputy
because he had performed this role for max baucus and they're doing it right
to keep max baucus is opponent correctly the part on the left
it line when they went bacchus with was better to deal worked for himself
program about repeated to do a very similar things it what what happened is
bathrooms tina was stopped with
as being uh... the copley a villain
to briefing called the color purple project which was a meeting of all of
the pick-up
progressive groups to washington very important weekly tragic meeting a
different want to be invited to id early audit marshall deny the campaign for
america's future which is uh... so graphically washington russia campaign
called installed the blue dog basically just pressure
conservative blue dog democrat support president obama's budget knowing that
the blue dogs would become a major obstacle
it not that much easier to head out for the obama white house
and basically bettina called at the leaders of the campaign for america's
future into the white house
and track them down and talk about if they wanted is to join this common
purpose project
they had to drop the blue thought campaign
which they subsequently dead and that would have definitely became the elbow
four of the way the white house tell a progressive groups which is about
you better tell the lot regards or you will be frozen out of our strategy
admitted that was missing a tambo going forwards right
that's not this important from the scene and what you know what he does and you
know he's considered as you put point on the article the fixer
it's not the kind of picture i'm interested in where you fix progressives
so-called bites
uninterested in that strategy right
yeah so the idea
playing t-ball
so my question what my question i guess is
why do the groups doing
well why they need that access why that's so important
well you probably have a pic
group stepped out i'd be dead at the beginning appeal filed a british rations
it with the big thing connected to be part of the team
there was the exhibition dishes effort to pass all these different pieces of
legislation
added fuel i do
but you have to be on the inside if you want to make a difference if your froze
without back first game
that you would have any influence on the inside
and fill all the different progressive groups by and large
spot input about inside game
and really i
these really it really what happened is that they cut their marching orders from
the opa but white house
and that was a very gifford approach would be approach opa but talked about
during the campaign which is
mobilized people from the bottom up change washington said what happened at
about people who washed in and out around the table and gave everyone else
their marching orders that i think that unified team really backfire a lot
where they came to health care reform
when it came to be deviations where you need that outright localization
and it just wasn't there because i was in the administration perspective but i
i think that the other side
the right of a tea party
giving out that mobilization and that's why it they were able to affect the
barrier in texture back west thrills privacy super
this is a resident
well actually
sort of feel pad
because it's a common purpose project
abdicate sheet dot how this process was working and she was frustrated by its
five by trading
there dot correct i did i know i don't think really appear that they would want
to be good interesting
about writing this article without a lot of the propective group ab
subsequently red-top strategy
realize that that you got it they black team
you know if they didn't get it nearly as much i think they would have wanted
uh... that the administration made a mistake it just pursuing a perfect game
uh... it dropping really the outside game of the pediatrician which i think
that that and had a question here for the old bobble built by the campaign now
vis-a-vis the operable line up
yet you know will there be a doubt that he will there be actual avenues for
input will it be
grassroots focused
or will it be much more like the oklahoma white house of the first two
years which is very tough job very conventional
very much do what i did a whole you'll be out of the lives theater that yet
right-hand
you know everybody should entail beaver mayors future
it is
no longer well received the white house i don't know what their status is in
terms of meetings on what meetings that you and i do or not but i know that they
are the fervently disagree with the white house on many occasions so they've
certainly edge change tracks and i think you're among the first to do so to be
airfare that so now
bless all of the enforcer uh...
aspect of jimmy seen d_c_-eight enforcer guess republicans i mean cop is a tough
guy inside obon they misread utah that goes in crisis calls right or could be
that he goes actually after progresses and weapons
i think that iraqi apricot football tickets republic uh... otd out but i i
would be a worker pockets seem to be better pure preoccupation
with progressive critics of pocket with a really thought that those people
obvious people's pockets a good number of bigoted anger about progressives in
montana and elsewhere about voting for the bush tax cuts
voting for medicare presentation go belly voting for those things are really
shepherding them through above the redhead voting for a lot of other stuff
or didn't like
and felt all of them actually it we had a part of his back into the everything
to make sure
that there was a little criticism of
pocket as possible belly that he actually
tried to get the executive director up the montana democratic party fired
that would which was pretty unprecedented
battle a gardening internal party business but i doubt that the neile
bonaventure jimmy cagney which was something that rob applicant to do about
with his guilt that which is ok
you know he will work with the progressive groups groups but
working with them also that making sure that they'd stevia glided because they
had lied
they would get uh... throw it out at mid-week saw that happen dollywood
health care reform but also worked for example dot i felt i was not a thing
that makita all worked on the ngo gay rights groups who why the administration
to push harder to believe he really had a charge it up don't tell until very
late became
or simply shut out
of the white house tragedy archive tells alright
hand at the firm time and time people say
that i'm sure they are taught by republicans all i don't believe that at
all
as we look at you have
rating samples of how tough they are democrats and and progressives or
liberals answer and red countless examples around me
any legitimacy in a tim got all these guys done democrats
never heard of them attack republic
footballers
voices of jim misena attacking a republic or they had a couple of my
paper but we're going to add that the pocket campaign ready at the republican
party
dot the wrapped up for reelection in two thousand two that was uh... eventually a
a very anti-gay act
and about whether he picked up votes downplaying being stopped by the
republicans but but probably by the way that very progressive would like to ask
you first of all even ironside will use a little white house would you want to
campaign for a democrat
i would imagine is something for you guys is on the answer both but when he
did not exactly a good heat try to paint the republican is basically daylight huh
are your day
yeah i mean uh... if it works but yeah it was a pretty pretty well garam
chiropractic
and i mean in the in the opec live out in front of the irony of you made a very
good point
without robin about the eva at at that school
of politics which is uh... they they seem to be much much much more
preoccupied
which fighting their progress report spent fighting
their conservative upon itself
that they changed it may be that now that the flu the reelection campaign
child
if we get re-elected
focused all that energy all the republicans we don't we don't know we
what will happen
back the hope it will be
but it but at least up based on though with the work is done so far
he has not didn't someone who was dealt with progressive criticism very well
steve
massively change direction they'll lose because i know they bring in a runner
campaign a guy who's main expertise is hitting their own side
we i mean well all right
headland democrats i yeah i mean or is it likely adopted at first i think that
i have been taken out of okay but i haven't
moderately courage by what deal public campaign has been doing a bit do think
there
their is an effort to try to rid constitutes robert background energy
that power the campaign
back about the deficit difficult message now with the personality campaign
but the difficulty of the corporate washington
which is that for much of what your public campaign does will be decided by
what your bob administration dot and right now we are all baba is what isn't
over maybe very cautious very calculating leader and that's going to
make any photographs redacted
while the campaign walked through without much more difficult barbera
competetive very conciliatory guys not splitting up the republicans would not
out why they alternate vision and s
you know accidentally bringin
the most conservative so-called democratic could possibly find in the
war
and have them on your white house and run your campaign whether it's emmanuel
whether it's guide or whether it's a bill daley whether it's larry summers
whether it's jimmy see the weather's
all these guys what she does
despite all the conservatives i mean
grassroots outreach now i said in the middle of it as a result they because
you know
is not a grassroots guy though he's ever done grassroots is more than
he's a lot more
stand at the end of it that uh... that would be interesting to me i i know
there are people are built by the campaign
that are committed to try to do grassroots politics they thought
bareback rapid based on that
the work that they've died then they have a question will be health care that
those people breakthrough kid all the volunteers are denied i mean i think i
know that they're just that
uh... there are comparable to your step before there are a number of new donors
stepping forward
care beijing at the camp here their own image somewhat likely cultivate or will
it get he had he said
very popped out of conservative campaign but that what that may still be a
politically because of who the republican apartment or end up with
their faith we thank you all that the republicans will do their work for them
database motivated about who's ready to get into what don't bother white house
is doing
what matters modifies
million times whether it's forts weather
politics whether it's the iraq war whether it's anything
it's called hubris
they think off we're not going to lose we're going to be running
eke that it doesn't matter how much unemployment we have it doesn't
how much weight nor the grassroots it doesn't
how much we didn't
promises to our base when i when i
a that's the strategy is a terrible losing strategy lasting r_u_ watcher k
with two things that they'll run on
book we're gonna give you the bush tax cuts
and we're going to immigration reform
at eight
same those for the camp
pain so they can pretend to be progressive but if they were actually
progressive they would've done the mark
instead dataset all just give us one more time
and will come in
those things for you that you voted for us on debited they had a chat with your
father became a credit report we're going to be a heavy electrical certainly
reply the bush tax cuts with a cup of dot
uh... man in charge of pushed harder for
as part of
an agreement made work according to me to be active athlete this agenda for
about a second term really is not the diluted by the white house what he would
do it it given four more years
i think it would lay that out that clearly baby if you have to really
auditors proctor going to get going but i do think there are going to have to
have
afford leaving it checked up
to contract with the g_o_p_ with deferred for the g_o_p_ agenda if they
want to motivate people to get out though dat priya
there as they might want to have a different in in g_o_p_ that weight
apparently no slate enslaved the thing that act again like sports you don't
turn on the fourth quarter
t_v_ have an interest in the restored we are proud of her story i would not
peanut butter
somebody's term and i thought about the race won't happen but there were no
no i think that that's okay
had a part of our problem in unit
be come to the end of your term in your final your return
and they both say in order for st paddy years ok elements of dole is in that
what i did
was the whites and want to do not side say you're going to do think that what
you had an opportunity to do that is also dot garden probably get a horribly
add every opportunity to come back at the white with those majorities
and with their date
i think i like that but i would argue that the fact that they got god
work dot
as big as because if they did not accept our as they could have been
if you look at the majority they have the opportunity they have when they
first got a better after could two thousand elections phoned paycheck i
appreciate