Tip:
Highlight text to annotate it
X
>> IT'S TIME.
>> IT'S TIME.
♪♪ ♪♪
>> WELCOME TO DR. DAVID AND
HERMAN.
I LOVE YOU.
I KNOW I TOLD YOU WHEN WE WENT
OFF THAT IT WOULD BE THE NEXT
DAY.
ALL RIGHT.
SO IT'S THE NEXT WEEK, OKAY?
BUT, HEY, IT'S DETAILS.
WE NOT ONLY HAVE DR. DAVID
ANDERSON TO TALK ABOUT THIS
PARTICULAR SUBJECT, WHEN TO
DEFEND OURSELVES AS CHRISTIANS,
IF I CAN GET MY TONGUE
STRAIGHTENED OUT, WE HAVE
DR. WILLIAM FEDERER.
HE IS HERE BY SKYPE RIGHT THERE.
SAY HELLO, DOCTOR.
>> GREAT TO BE WITH YOU TODAY.
>> POLITICIANS, AUTHOR, SPEAKER.
>> HISTORIAN.
HISTORIAN.
I MEAN, AND LIKE MY SON IN-LAW,
A WALKING BRAIN.
EVERYTHING YOU READ YOU
REMEMBER.
THAT'S NOT EVEN FAIR.
>> WELL, I DO THE BEST I CAN.
>> YEAH.
YOU'RE A MODEST GUY.
ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT -- BY
THE WAY, JUST TO COMMENT ON THE
LAST TIME WE WERE TOGETHER AND
SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE
SAID, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT
DR. DAVID SAID, KIND OF PUT THAT
TOGETHER TO KIND OF LAUNCH THIS
PARTICULAR SUBJECT, WHEN TO
DEFEND OURSELVES AS CHRISTIANS.
>> WELL, DR. DAVID BROUGHT UP
REALLY GOOD SCRIPTURE, WHERE THE
BIBLE COMMANDS US TO DEFEND THE
INNOCENT, RESCUE THOSE WHO ARE
UNJUSTLY SENTENCED TO DEATH.
OF COURSE THAT'S THE SCRIPTURE
THAT THE WHOLE PRO-LIFE MOVEMENT
IS BUILT UPON.
AND TO PROVIDE FOR THEIR
FAMILIES AND PROVIDING ALSO
MEANS PROTECTING.
SO YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOUR
KIDS.
YOU DON'T WANT THEM TO CROSS THE
STREET AND GET RUN OVER.
YOU ARE THERE TO BRUSH THEIR
TEETH AND TO DO THINGS THAT CAN
KEEP THEM HEALTHY AND PRESERVED.
AND SO WE ARE COMMANDED TO
DEFEND THE INNOCENT.
AND THEN ALSO YOU DO HAVE THE
RIGHT TO DEFEND YOURSELF.
AND THEN IT'S IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSTAND THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE
FOUNDERS OF AMERICA.
I WROTE A BOOK, I JUST HAPPEN TO
HAVE A COPY HERE, THAT'S CALLED
"CHANGE TO CHANGE," AND IT'S A
SURVEY OF WORLD HISTORY.
FOR MOST OF WORLD HISTORY, POWER
WAS IN THE HANDS OF DICTATORS,
KINGS.
>> WILLIAM, HANG ON JUST A
MINUTE.
WE ARE GETTING SOME STATIC,
WHATEVER BRINGS SKYPE, IT'S
STARTING TO GET TICKED AT US FOR
USING IT BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING
PARTS OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND
IT'S NOT VERY CLEAR.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S -- IS IT
COMING FROM THAT DIRECTION?
>> WELL, I CAN START OVER AGAIN
IF YOU'D LIKE.
>> OKAY.
IT'S STILL DOING IT, SO WE MAY
HAVE TO COME TO A POINT WHERE
WE'LL HAVE TO CLOSE THIS OFF.
HOPEFULLY NOT.
BUT YOU CONTINUE AND HOPEFULLY
WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RIGHT
MESSAGE.
>> WELL, IT'S THIS IDEA THAT
HUMANS CAN ON THE STREET YIELD
TO THEIR FALLEN NATURE AND BREAK
INTO YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL FROM
YOU.
AND SO THE PEOPLE NEED TO GIVE
UP A LITTLE BIT OF THEIR
INDEPENDENCE TO CREATE A
GOVERNMENT THAT HAS A PLACE FOR
IT TO PROTECT THEM.
BUT IF INDIVIDUALS CAN YIELD TO
THEIR FALLEN NATURE, WHAT
HAPPENS WHEN YOU GET SOMEONE IN
CHARGE OF THE GOVERNMENT THAT
YIELDS TO THEIR FALLEN NATURE
AND WANTS TO USE THE POWER OF
THE GOVERNMENT TO BREAK INTO
YOUR HOUSE AND STEAL FROM YOU?
SO IN THAT CASE THE PEOPLE NEED
TO RETAIN ENOUGH POWER.
IT'S A BALANCING ACT.
GIVE UP ENOUGH POWER TO RETAIN
THE GOVERNMENT.
THE FOUNDING FATHERS CONSIDERED
IT IMPORTANT, NUMBER ONE, TO
DEFEND YOURSELF, BUT, NUMBER
TWO, TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT FROM
TURNING INTO AN ANARCHY.
THROUGHOUT HISTORY KINGS
CONTROLLED THE ARMS.
IF YOU REMEMBER THE STORY IN THE
BIBLE WHERE THE ISRAELITES HAD
TO GO TO THE PHILISTINES TO GET
THEIR FARM IMPLEMENTS SHARPENED
BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT ALLOWED TO
HAVE A BLACKSMITH IN ISRAEL IN
.IN THE MIDDLE AGES THE KINGS HD
THE ARMIES AND THE KNIGHTS WITH
THEIR ARMOR AND THE PEASANTS
DIDN'T.
SANTA ANA WHEN HE WANTED TO TURN
THE GOVERNMENT INTO A
DICTATORSHIP, HE WANTED TO
COLLECT ALL THE ARMS FROM THE
PEOPLE OF TEXAS.
>> WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN
THAT HAPPENS HERE?
WE'RE SEEING THIS LEGISLATION,
FAST AND FURIOUS.
I UNDERSTAND THAT THE BACK PART
OF THAT WHOLE GUN RUNNING THAT
THE GOVERNMENT WAS ACTUALLY
DOING, SUPPLYING GUNS TO THE
MEXICAN CARTELS, THAT THAT WAS
ACTUALLY MEANT TO SPILL OVER
INTO AMERICA AND SAY, SEE WHAT
YOUR GUNS ARE DOING, KILLING
AMERICANS AND KILLING MEXICANS,
USE THAT AS KIND OF THE
LEVER AGAINST THE SECOND
AMENDMENT.
WHEN THAT HAPPENS, WHAT WILL WE
DO?
>> WELL, WE HAVE A CHOICE TO
MAKE AS A COUNTRY.
PROVERBS 13:22 SAYS A GOOD MAN
LEAVES AN INHERITANCE TO HIS
CHILDREN'S CHILDREN.
WE HAVE TO ASK OURSELVES WHAT
KIND OF COUNTRY DO WE WANT TO
LEAVE TO OUR KIDS, ONE WITH THE
SAME FREEDOMS?
EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING
TODAY IS WE'RE GOING FROM
SEPARATED POWER TO CONCENTRATED
POWER.
WE'RE SEEING OUR FREEDOMS BEING
USURPED BY THE GOVERNMENT AND
WHETHER IT'S THROUGH HEALTH
CARE, WHETHER IT'S THROUGH
TAKING OVER BUSINESSES AND CAR
COMPANIES AND GUITAR FACTORIES,
BUT ALSO WITH ARMS.
AND ARMS ARE THE LAST LINE OF
DEFENSE.
BEFORE HITLER KILLED JEWS, HE
CONFISCATED ALL THE ARMS IN
GERMANY.
SO ONLY HIS -- ONLY THE DICTATOR
AND HIS THUGS WERE ALLOWED TO
HAVE THE WEAPONS.
JAPAN CONSIDERED AFTER HAWAII TO
ATTACK CALIFORNIA AND ATTACK
AMERICA BECAUSE AT THE BEGINNING
OF THE WAR OUR MILITARY WAS NOT
THAT STRONG.
AND THEY HESITATED BECAUSE AT
ONE OF THEIR COUNCILS SOMEONE
NOTED THAT IN AMERICA EVERYBODY
OWNS WEAPONS AND SO THE JAPANESE
SAID, WELL, WE MIGHT DEFEAT
THEIR MILITARY, BUT WE CAN'T
DEFEAT THE WHOLE COUNTRY.
SO, AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST FOR
HUNTING RABBITS.
IT'S TO PROTECT YOURSELF AND
IT'S TO KEEP THE GOVERNMENT FROM
TURNING INTO AN ANARCHY, TO ONE
PERSON CONTROLLING IT.
SO THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF
GOVERNMENT.
ONE SIDE IS A DICTATORSHIP.
THE OTHER SIDE IS AN ANARCHY.
ONE SIDE IS TOTAL GOVERNMENT,
THE OTHER SIDE IS NO GOVERNMENT.
SO THIS IS THE IDEA THAT WE WANT
TO AVOID AN ANARCHY.
IT'S INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY.
>> WILLIAM, HOW DO YOU FEEL
ABOUT OUR CURRENT PRESIDENT
BEING ELECTED FOR THE NEXT FOUR
YEARS?
AND WHAT IS YOUR ASSESSMENT?
>> WELL, HE'S SURROUNDED HIMSELF
WITH PEOPLE THAT FALL INTO THREE
CATEGORIES, THOSE THAT HAVE A
SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST AGENDA,
THOSE THAT HAVE A HOMOSEXUAL
AGENDA AND THOSE THAT HAVE AN
ISLAMIC AGENDA.
SO WE CAN SEE THE COUNTRY MOVING
IN THAT DIRECTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, ALL OF THOSE ARE
ANTAGONISTIC TO TRADITIONAL
CHRISTIAN BELIEFS.
IN STRICT MUSLIM COUNTRIES
CHRISTIANS ARE MADE INTO SECOND
CLASS CITIZENS.
IN COMMUNIST COUNTRIES AS WELL.
WE SEE A COMING TOGETHER OF THAT
IN THIS PRESIDENT'S
ADMINISTRATION AND HIS AGENDA
AND, EXCUSE ME, ONE OF THE
CONCERNS IS THE USE OF THE
MILITARY AGAINST THE POPULACE.
AND WE ARE SEEING MORE AND MORE
LAWS.
OUR GOVERNMENT WANTS TO BE ABLE
TO ARREST ANY CITIZEN AND PUT
THEM IN PRISON WITHOUT A TRIAL.
AND TO HAVE MILITARY TROOPS ON
AMERICAN SOIL TO HELP RESTORE
DOMESTIC ORDER AFTER A CRISIS,
BUT THAT WILL SPELL THE END OF
THE FORMER GOVERNMENT THAT WE
HAVE.
SO WE'RE MOVING LIKE A RIVER
TOWARD A WATERFALL.
WE'RE MOVING IN A DIRECTION THAT
IF WE DON'T SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN
QUICKLY, THIS COUNTRY WILL, LIKE
ROME -- ROME WAS A REPUBLIC FOR
500 YEARS UNTIL CAESAR MADE
HIMSELF DICTATOR FOR LIFE AND IT
CEASED BEING A REPUBLIC AND
TURNED INTO AN EMPIRE.
SO IT IS POSSIBLE FOR REPUBLICS
TO TURN INTO EMPIRES.
>> WILLIAM, DO YOU SEE US AS
BEYOND THE POINT OF RETURN?
>> I THINK WE'RE ALREADY OVER
THE EDGE AND IT'S JUST BY THE
GRACE OF GOD THAT WE'RE STILL
HERE.
AND I THINK THAT BRINGS UP
ANOTHER POINT.
WHY IS THIS HAPPENING?
I BELIEVE IT'S HAPPENING BECAUSE
DEUTERONOMY 28 SAYS THESE ARE
THE BLESSINGS IF A NATION
FOCUSES TO THE LORD.
IF THE NATION DOES NOT HEARKEN
TO THE VOICE OF THE LORD THEY'LL
BE A DEBTOR AND THE STRANGER
AMONG THEM AND WILL RISE UP AND
BE THEIR RULER.
IN THE LAST 30 YEARS WE'VE GONE
FROM THE LAST CREDITOR NATION TO
THE LARGEST DEBTOR NATION.
WE HAVE MOVED TO THE JUDGMENT
SIDE OF THE PAGE.
WHAT HAVE WE DONE SINCE 9/11?
WE PUSHED GAY MARRIAGE IN A
BUNCH OF STATES.
HOMOSEXUALIZING THE
MILITARY.
GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT THE END OF
THEIR AGENDA.
IT'S THE BEGINNING.
THEY'LL BE INDOCTRINATING LITTLE
CHILDREN.
IF YOU'VE EVER READ PSYCHIATRY,
BEFORE A *** DOES HIS
DIRTY DEEDS, HE PUTS A CHILD
THROUGH DESENSEIZATION.
WE ARE USING OUR SCHOOLS AND
PRESCHOOLS TO DESENSITIZE OUR
CHILDREN.
SO WE SEE THAT SINCE 9/11 WE
WENT TO CHURCH FOR TWO WEEKS AND
THEN WENT BACK TO SHOPPING.
AND IF YOU WERE GOD, DO YOU
THINK WE'VE REPENTED ENOUGH FOR
YOU TO TURN ALL THIS AROUND AND
START BLESSING US AGAIN?
IF YOUR KID'S AWAY AT COLLEGE
AND YOU'RE SPENDING ALL THIS
MONEY AND KEEP GETTING REPORTS
THAT THEY'RE DOING ***
AND DRUGS AND ALL KINDS OF BAD
STUFF, AFTER A WHILE YOU'RE
GOING TO BE TEMPTED NOT TO SEND
THOSE CHECKS.
AND SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO
REALIZE THAT NONE OF THIS HAS
TAKEN GOD BY SURPRISE.
AND IN THE PAST WE'VE SEEN WHAT
I CALL A CYCLE OF NATIONS IN
ISRAEL, WHERE ISRAEL MADE A
COVENANT WITH GOD AND THEN THEY
WERE BLESSED.
THEN THEY BACKSLID, HE SENT
PROPHETS.
THEY DIDN'T REPENT AND JUDGMENT
CAME.
THEN THEY REPENTED AND HE SENT A
DELIVERER.
AMERICA MADE A COVENANT WITH
GOD.
BEGAN TO BACKSLIDE
THROUGH SLAVERY.
WE HAD ABOLITIONIST SOCIETIES
TELLING US TO REPENT.
WE DIDN'T REPENT.
HALF A MILLION PEOPLE DIED.
THEN WE REPENTED.
LINCOLN HAD A DAY OF FASTING AND
PRAYER AND INSTITUTED AN ANNUAL
DAY OF THANKSGIVING.
BUT WE'VE GONE AROUND THIS
CYCLE, BUT WE'RE SOMEWHERE ON IT
TODAY.
>> WILLIAM, I'M GOING TO LET YOU
JUST KIND OF LISTEN IN ON
DR. DAVID.
AND, BY THE WAY, I'VE HAD YOUR
WEBSITE UP ALL DURING THE TIME
YOU HAVE TALKED.
LET ME ENCOURAGE YOU TO GO TO
THAT WEBSITE.
HE HAS SOME 20 BOOKS THAT HE'S
WRITTEN, AND HE HAS SOME BRAND
NEW ONES THAT HE'S WRITTEN.
IN FACT, I'M GOING TO BE
INTERVIEWING WILLIAM IN
NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE COMING UP.
BUT MAKE YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO
NOT ONLY WHERE HE'S SPEAKING,
BUT HIS BOOKS.
YOU WILL BE BLESSED BEYOND
MEASURE.
AND I'M SO HONORED TO JUST KIND
OF HAVE A LITTLE PART OF YOUR
DAY IN OUR LAST TWO INTERVIEWS
AND WHAT YOU'VE SAID HAS BEEN SO
RIGHT ON, WHAT'S HAPPENING
TODAY, AND WHAT WE'RE FACED
WITH.
AND AS I READ YOUR BOOKS, I'M
THINKING TO MYSELF -- AND I'VE
READ SO MANY OF THEM -- THAT IF
I READ IT TODAY, IT'S LIKE HOW
DID HE KNOW WHEN HE WROTE THIS
THAT IT WOULD BE LIKE THAT RIGHT
NOW?
SO IT'S AMAZING HOW GOD HAS USED
YOU IN SO MANY WAYS.
SO JUST KIND OF STAND BY AND
LISTEN TO WHAT DR. DAVID,
ANOTHER SMART GUY, IS GOING TO
SAY.
PICK UP ON WHAT HE'S TALKING
ABOUT.
>> WELL, I REALLY APPRECIATE HIS
COMMENTS, SO CONCISE AND SO
CLEARLY AND HISTORICALLY
FOUNDED.
IT'S A COLLEGE COURSE THERE IN
THE LAST TEN MINUTES.
ANYBODY WHO'S WATCHING, ANY BOOK
BY WILLIAM FEDERER IS WORTH
HAVING IN YOUR LIBRARY.
BUT I APPRECIATE WHAT HE HAD TO
SAY ABOUT THE ISSUE OF A
LONG-TERM LAW BEING BASED ON
SHORT-TERM CRISIS, WHICH IS WHAT
FAST AND FURIOUS WAS REALLY ALL
ABOUT.
CREATING A CRISIS THAT MAKES US
LOSE OUR DISCERNMENT SO WE WILL
GIVE UP SOMETHING.
>> BUT THERE WAS AN END GAME TO
ALL OF THAT.
>> YEAH.
IT WAS TO CREATE A LONG-TERM LAW
OFF A SHORT-TERM CRISIS.
AND WE AS BELIEVERS HAVE TO HAVE
GREATER WISDOM THAN THAT.
WE ARE TO BE AS WISE AS
SERPENTS.
WE ARE TO KNOW THEIR AGENDA, TO
UNDERSTAND THE DECEPTION AND TO
UNDERSTAND THE STRATEGIES THAT
CREATE SCENARIOS THAT MAKE
CHRISTIANS SAY, YOU KNOW, WE
WANT TO RELIEVE THAT SUFFERING
TOO, SO LET'S DO WHATEVER WE CAN
TO RELIEVE THAT SUFFERING AND
THEN WE SURRENDER THINGS THAT 5,
10, 15 YEARS LATER WE'RE STILL
PAYING FOR BECAUSE WE FALL FOR
THE IMMEDIATE NEED.
>> I'M THINKING FDR MADE
EVERYBODY TURN THEIR GOLD IN OR
YOU COULD BE ARRESTED, PUT IN
JAIL.
>> YES.
>> SO WHEN THE GOVERNMENT COMES
DOWN ON YOU, WHAT DO WE DO?
>> WELL, WE HAVE THE OBLIGATION
AS CHRISTIANS TO BE RIGHT WITH
GOD FIRST.
THEN HONORABLE TO GOD,
FUNCTIONING AS HIS
REPRESENTATIVES, HIS AMBASSADORS
IN A FOREIGN LAND.
THE EARTH IS NOT OUR HOME.
THIS IS WHERE WE ARE.
WE ARE TEMPORARY DWELLERS HERE.
BUT GOD HAS CALLED US TO
INFLUENCE AND IMPACT OUR
COMMUNITIES BY PREACHING THE
TRUTH AND LIVING OUT THE TRUTH
IN SUCH A WAY THAT THEY CAN SEE
THE LIGHT.
BUT THE DECEPTION IS MANY.
AND LET'S SAY IF WE WERE TO BY
GOD'S GRACE PUT A STAUNCH, EVEN
A CHRISTIAN CONSERVATIVE IN
OFFICE, THE PRESIDENTIAL OFFICE
THIS NEXT ELECTION, THAT IS NOT
GOING TO STOP THIS THREE-TIERED
ATTACK THAT DR. FEDERER
MENTIONED.
THAT'S NOT GOING TO STOP THE
ISLAMIST, THE GAY HOMOSEXUAL
MOVEMENT, THE SOCIALIST
MOVEMENT.
THEY NEVER STOP.
IT IS AN ETERNAL BATTLE OF TRUTH
AGAINST -- AND LIGHT AGAINST
DARKNESS.
EVEN IF WE DO WIN THIS ELECTION,
THAT IS REALLY ONLY THE START OF
US MAKING AN IMPACT TO PUSH THIS
DARKNESS BACK.
>> SO WE'RE JUST BUYING TIME.
>> WELL, WE'RE STAYING IN THE
GAME, I GUESS YOU WANT TO SAY
IT.
IT'S INEVITABLE.
THE BIBLE DOES TELL US WHERE THE
CULTURE IS GOING TO GO AT SOME
POINT IN TIME.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE GIVE UP.
IT DOESN'T TELL US IT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN IN THIS GENERATION.
IT TELLS US, BELIEVERS, PUT YOUR
FOCUS AND FAITH ON THE LORD,
BECAUSE HARD TIMES ARE COMING
SOMEDAY.
BUT THAT WAS 2,000 YEARS AGO.
BUT IT HAS APPLIED TO EVERY
GENERATION.
UNTIL THAT TIME, WE ARE TO BE
FAITHFUL LIGHTS AND FAITHFUL
SALT AND FAITHFUL SOLDIERS OF
THE GOSPEL, TO HOLD THE DARKNESS
BAC WIN AS MANY PEOPLE TO
CHRIST AS WE POSSIBLY CAN BEFORE
HE COMES BACK.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THE DEFENDING OURSELF AS
CHRISTIANS, IF CHRISTIANS HAVE
GUNS AND SOMEONE IS COMING TO
TAKE YOUR GUNS, WHAT WOULD YOU
AS A PASTOR, IF THEY CALLED YOU
UP AND SAY, PASTOR, IT'S
HAPPENING, YOU KNOW, AND I
UNDERSTAND THEY'RE COMING DOWN
OUR STREET TODAY.
WHAT DO I DO?
WHAT DO YOU DO?
>> WELL, THAT'S A TOUGH QUESTION
BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE
THE TAKING OF HUMAN LIFE.
IF YOU PULL UP YOUR GUN AGAINST
A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER,
YOU'RE GOING TO GET SHOT.
SEE, THAT'S PART OF THE PROBLEM
WITH WELL-MINDED, ORDER-MINDED,
LAW AND ORDER MINDED BELIEVERS,
BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT TEND TO
SUPPORT GUN CONTROL IDEAS
BECAUSE THEY PROMOTE THAT IT
GETS THE GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS
OF THE CRIMINALS.
>> BUT, YEAH, BUT CRIMINALS ARE
THE ONLY ONES THAT HAVE GUNS
BECAUSE THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT
YOUR LAW.
>> THAT'S WHY I DON'T SUPPORT
THAT LAW.
I BELIEVE IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL
RIGHT AND THERE'S EVEN A
BIBLICAL REFERENCE TO IT.
LET ME READ YOU THIS PASSAGE
FROM THE BOOK OF LUKE.
THIS IS JESUS TALKING TO HIS
DISCIPLES.
AND HE SAID TO THEM WHEN I SENT
YOU WITHOUT MONEY BAG, KNAPSACK
AND SANDALS, DID YOU LACK
ANYTHING?
THEY SAID NOTHING.
BUT HE SAID BUT NOW HE WHO HAS A
MONEY BAG LET HIM TAKE IT AND
LIKEWISE A KNAPSACK AND HE WHO
HAS NO SWORD, LET HIM SELL HIS
GARMENT AND BUY ONE.
THIS IS JESUS TELLING PEOPLE TO
BUY SWORDS.
NOW, WAS IT BECAUSE THEY NEEDED
IT TO CUT PAPER?
TO HUNT?
A SWORD IS A DEFENSIVE WEAPON.
AND EVEN AN ASSAULT WEAPON.
FOR I SAY TO YOU THAT THIS IS
WHICH IS WRITTEN MUST STILL BE
ACCOMPLISHED IN ME AND HE WAS
NUMBERED WITH THE TRANSGRESS
ORSFOR THE THINGS CONCERNING ME
HAVE AN END.
THEY SAID, LOOK, LORD, WE HAVE
TWO SWORDS.
AND HE SAID TO THEM THAT IS
ENOUGH.
THEN THEY WENT OUT TO THE MOUNT
MOUNTOF OLIVES.
JESUS WAS RECOMMENDING TO HIS
DISCIPLES, HAVE A SWORD.
IT'S A LEGITIMATE TOOL OF THE
DAY AGAINST TYRANNY AND EVIL
OPPRESSION.
SO WHETHER IT'S FROM GOVERNMENT
OR FROM CRIME OR FROM A BAD
PERSECUTION, WHATEVER IT MIGHT
BE, WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO DEFEND
OURSELVES AND TO DEFEND OUR
FAMILIES AND TO DEFEND THE
INNOCENT.
SO WHEN IT COMES TO NRA AND THE
GUNS --
>> SO HAVE YOU ANSWERED MY
QUESTION?
>> I WAS JUST ABOUT TO GET TO
THAT.
SO IF THEY COME AND SAY WE WANT
TO TAKE YOUR GUNS, THAT'S WHEN A
BELIEVER HAS TO DECIDE WHAT IS
THE PENALTY FOR ME NOT
SURRENDERING MY GUNS?
IS IT GOING TO BE THEM
IMPRISONING ME FOR LIFE AND MY
CHILDREN BEING IMPOVERISHED.
IS IT GOING TO BE ME BEING SHOT
IF I RAISE MY GUN?
AT SOME POINT IN TIME A LINE
D BE CROSSED WHERE I BELIEVE
THE BELIEVER WOULD HAVE THE
RIGHT TO USE HIS GUNS IN DEFENSE
AGAINST THOSE TRYING TO TAKE HIS
GUNS.
WHERE THAT LINE IS RIGHT NOW,
I'M NOT CERTAIN.
I'VE NEVER BEEN IN THAT
PREDICAMENT.
I'VE NEVER LIVED IN A SOCIETY
THAT LITERALLY TRIED TO TAKE
AWAY OUR WEAPONS AND THEN TRIED
TO COME IN AND TAKE CONTROL OVER
OUR LIVES.
BUT PEOPLE IN GERMANY AND PEOPLE
IN RUSSIA, SOME WHO GO TO OUR
CHURCH WHO WERE IN AUSTRIA AND
GERMANY AT THE START OF WORLD
WAR II, THEY ARE ADAMANT AGAINST
GUN CONTROL BECAUSE THEY WERE
THERE WHEN THEY WERE DISARMED.
WE HAVE A LADY IN OUR CHURCH WHO
REMEMBERS BEING COMPLETELY
DISARMED BEFORE HITLER TOOK
CONTROL.
THAT WAS A WARLESS -- THAT WAS
AN ANNEXING.
BUT STILL THEY WERE DEARMED.
SHE REMEMBERS THAT.
SHE SAID WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD
AMERICANS GIVE UP THEIR GUNS?
SHE'S PERPLEXED THAT WE WOULD
EVEN PONDER THAT.
IF YOU GIVE UP YOUR GUNS, YOU'RE
GIVING UP MUCH MORE THAN YOUR
GUNS.
YOU'RE EVENTUALLY GIVING UP YOUR
LIFE AND POSSIBLY THE LIFE OF
YOUR FAMILY.
>> ARE WE COMING CLOSE TO FOOD
SHORTAGE, WATER SHORTAGE BECAUSE
THAT WOULD CREATE RIOTS THAT WE
WOULD HAVE NO PROTECTION
AGAINST.
HOW DO YOU PREACH THE WORD OF
GOD EVERY SUNDAY, WHICH YOU DO,
YOU'RE RIGHT IN THE WORD EVERY
SUNDAY, HOW DO YOU HAVE TIME,
BECAUSE YOU LOOK AT THAT TIME AS
BEING GOD-GIVEN, SO THAT YOU
TEACH THAT CONGREGATION FROM THE
WORD OF GOD WHAT IT SAYS.
HOW DO YOU THEN TELL THEM ALL OF
THESE THINGS THAT ARE ABOUT TO
HAPPEN OR COULD HAPPEN?
HOW DO YOU WARN THEM?
BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIME
TO DO THAT.
WHERE DOES THAT COME FROM?
>> WELL, BY PREACHING THE TRUTH
OF THE WORD OF GOD AND THE
GENERAL OVERAFTERNOONING TRUTH G
TRUTH, YOU'RE PREPARING PEOPLE
TO THINK FOR THEMSELVES.
I DON'T WANT MY CONGREGATION
FOLLOWING ME AS THE VOICE OF
REASON AND WISDOM FOR THEIR
LIVES.
THEY HAVE THE WORD OF GOD.
THEY HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT
INDWELLING THEM.
SO MY ROLE IS TO TEACH THEM THE
WORD OF GOD IN SUCH A WAY THAT
THEY THEMSELVES HAVE A WISE
PERSPECTIVE AND THEY CAN ASSESS
THESE THINGS.
BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT GOD IS
SOVEREIGN AND HE REALLY IS IN
CONTROL OF ALL THINGS.
HE REQUIRES OF US THAT WE BE
FAITHFUL AND DO WHAT HE WANTS US
TO DO, BUT HE CONTROLS THE
OUTCOME.
IF THERE'S GOING TO BE A WATER
SHORTAGE AND A FOOD SHORTAGE AND
AN ENERGY SHORTAGE, GOD KNOWS
ALL ABOUT IT.
GOD IS THE ONE WHO WOULD EITHER
ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN OR PREVENT IT
FROM HAPPENING.
BUT HE MIGHT USE US TO PREVENT
IT.
AND HE COULD ALSO, AS
DR. FEDERER MENTIONED, OUR OWN
SINS AND OUR BETRAYAL OF HIM CAN
BRING THOSE THINGS INTO OUR
EXISTENCE BUT US NOT BEING
FAITHFUL.
SO WE FOCUS ON WHAT'S AT HAND,
US BEING FAITHFUL VIGILANT
AND WE SPEAKING THE TRUTH AND
LIVING RIGHT AND THEN WORKING TO
SECURE THE PRIVILEGES AND RIGHTS
AND PROSPERITY THAT HE HAS
BLESSED US WITH.
SO WHETHER OR NOT THEY'RE GOING
TO HAPPEN OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW.
I KNOW THERE'S AGENDAS OUT
THERE.
THERE'S CERTAINLY STRATEGIES OF
WORLD MOVEMENTS WHO WOULD LOVE
TO BRING CRISIS TO THE UNITED
STATES TO CRIPPLE IT, WHERE WE
WOULD SURRENDER OUR INDIVIDUAL
RIGHTS TO THE OVERARCHING RIGHTS
OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO WOULD LOVE
FOR THAT TO HAPPEN, WHO MAY EVEN
HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE IT
HAPPEN.
I DON'T KNOW THE NUANCES OF
WORLD ECONOMICS AND I DON'T KNOW
ABOUT SOME OF THESE CHARACTERS
THAT I OFTEN HEAR ON SOME OF THE
TALK SHOWS.
I DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT OF THEIR
POWER.
I KNOW THE EXTENT OF GOD'S, AND
IT'S ABSOLUTE.
AND SO I REST IN HIS CONTROL
OVER MY LIFE AND HIS SOVEREIGNTY
AND THEN WORK EVERY DAY TO DO
THE BEST I CAN TO BE HIS TOOL IN
OUR SOCIETY.
>> DR. FEDERER, COMMENT ON WHAT
DAVID WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
>> WELL, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH
HIM, AND I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH
HIS WISDOM AND BEING ABLE TO PUT
TOGETHER AND ASSIMILATE ALL THE
THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON.
WE DO SEE THAT WE ARE MOVING IN
A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
PUT DOTS ON A PAGE AND PUT A
RULER UP NEXT TO IT, YOU CAN
TRACE OUT WHERE IT'S HEADED AND
WE ARE HEADED IN A DIRECTION
WHERE THE FREEDOMS WE HAVE ARE
GOING TO BE USED LESS AND LESS.
AND IT IS -- IF WE CAN'T
MOBILIZE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO VOTE,
HOW ARE WE GOING TO MOBILIZE
ENOUGH PEOPLE TO FIGHT?
SO WE'RE REALLY IN A SERIOUS
SITUATION.
AND, AGAIN, I BELIEVE THAT THIS
IS HAPPENING BECAUSE OF OUR SIN
AND GOD'S ALLOWING IT AND THAT
WE NEED TO GET ON OUR KNEES
FIRST AND PRAY AND REPENT BEFORE
WE WORRY ABOUT FIGHTING.
BUT NEVERTHELESS WE ARE
RESPONSIBLE TO DEFEND THE
INNOCENT, TO DEFEND OUR FAMILY
AND TO RESCUE THOSE WHO ARE
UNJUSTLY SENTENCED TO DEATH.
THIS WAS, IF YOU READ THE
STORIES OF THE CRUSADES, ISLAM
CONQUERED EGYPT, WHICH HAD BEEN
COPTIC CHRISTIANS.
FOR SIX CENTURIES, THERE USED TO
BE 250 CATHOLIC DIOCESE ALONG
NORTH AFRICA, ALL WIPED OUT BY
THE MUSLIMS.
THEN MUSLIMS CONQUERED SPAIN AND
SOUTHERN FRANCE.
THEY WERE FINALLY STOPPED
OUTSIDE OF PARIS WHEN POPE
GREGORY PUTS OUT A PLEA THAT
ANYBODY THAT COULD FIGHT SHOULD
JOIN CHARLES AND THEY GET 30,000
VOLUNTEERS AND THEY STOP THE
MUSLIMS.
HAD HE NOT DONE THAT, ALL OF
EUROPE WOULD HAVE BEEN CONQUERED
AND WE WOULD BE SPEAKING ARABIC
RIGHT NOW.
>> I THINK THAT'S GOING TO
HAPPEN IN FRANCE RIGHT NOW
BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING OVERRUN
WITH MUSLIMS.
>> RIGHT.
AND THEY'RE HAVING FEWER KIDS.
BUT THEN THERE'S TURKEY.
THIS IS WHERE JOHN SPOKE AND
PAUL SPOKE.
THE CHURCHES IN REVELATIONS WERE
ALL THERE.
THE MUSLIMS BEGAN INVADING,
WOULD TURN CHURCHES INTO
MOSQUES, TAKE THE BOYS FROM THE
CHRISTIANS FAMILIES AND FORCE
THEM TO BECOME MUSLIM SOLDIERS
TO FIGHT THE NEXT CHRISTIAN
FAMILIES.
IF THE BOYS WERE PRETTY, THEY
WERE THE SODOMY OF THE CHURCH.
SO THAT'S WHEN THE BYZANTINE
EMPIRE HAS TO BEG THE WEST FOR
HELP.
IT WAS THE EMPEROR THE FIRST AND
THE MESSAGE COMES TO THE SECOND
POPE AND HE GETS THE MESSAGE.
HE SAYS, OKAY, CHRISTIANS IN THE
WEST, WE NEED TO LAY ASIDE OUR
DOCTRINAL DIFFERENCES WITH THESE
GREEKS AND COME TO THE AID OF
THEM AND HE QUOTES THE
SCRIPTURE.
HE SAYS IF A SHEEP IS TAKEN, THE
SHEPHERD LEAVES THE 99 AND GOES
AFTER THE ONE TO RESCUE IT FROM
THE WOLVES.
HE SAYS THAT THIS IS WHAT WE
HAVE TO DO.
WE HAVE TO GO AND RESCUE.
AND SO HE SENDS THE FIRST
CRUSADE.
NOW, WE CAN'T VOUCH FOR
EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENED DURING
THE CRUSADES AND CERTAINLY SOME
INNOCENT PEOPLE WERE DONE, BUT
WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IT
BASICALLY SAVED EUROPE.
IT TIED THE MUSLIMS DOWN FOR TWO
CENTURIES IN THE MIDDLE EAST.
THE MUSLIMS CONTINUED TO INVADE
EUROPE AND THEY WERE BARELY
STOPPED IN 1529 AND 1583.
HAD THEY BEEN ABLE TO INVADE TWO
CENTURIES EARLIER, THEY WOULD
HAVE MOWED RIGHT THROUGH.
THIS AGAIN WAS A SITUATION WHERE
THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH HAD A
CHOICE, THAT THEY COULD HAVE
SIMPLY LET ALL THOSE GREEKS
SUFFER THEIR FATE TO THE ARAB
SPRING AND BE KILLED, OR THEY
COULD COME TO THE RESCUE.
>> DR. FEDERER, THANK YOU.
THANK YOU AND WHAT A BLESSING IT
IS TO HAVE YOU ON JUST THESE
COUPLE OF PROGRAMS.
DAVE, WRAPPING UP.
>> THANK YOU, HERMAN AND DAVID.
>> THANK YOU.
THAT'S A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE
THAT IS LOST TODAY.
WE ARE SO FOCUSED ON GETTING OUR
MIRACLES AND RICHES AND
BLESSINGS, WE HAVE FORGOT ABOUT
PROTECTING OUR FREEDOMS.
THERE ARE GROUPS OUT THERE AND I
CERTAINLY DO BELIEVE THAT
RADICAL ISLAM, YOU CAN EVEN TAKE
OUT THE WORD RADICAL POSSIBLY,
IS AIMED AT ELIMINATING
CHRISTIANITY AND JUDAISM.
AS WE IGNORE THAT THREAT, AS WE
IGNORE THE REAL WORLD AS IT
REALLY IS AND WE JUST SIT AROUND
AND WONDER ABOUT HOW CAN WE HAVE
MORE STUFF AT BELIEVERS, WE WILL
LOSE ALL OF OUR STUFF BY LOSING
OUR FREEDOM.
SO WE HAVE TO STAND UP FOR TRUTH
AND JUSTICE AND BE MORE
SERIOUSLY MINDED.
MOST CHURCHES DON'T WANT TO HEAR
ABOUT POLITICS, ISLAM.
THEY WANT TO HEAR ABOUT HOW CAN
I ADVANCE IN MY JOB.
HOW CAN I BE MORE CHEERFUL?
HOW CAN I GET MORE BLESSINGS.
>> IN FACT, YOU HAVE A NEW
CHURCH COMING TO YOUR AREA AND
THEY OPENED THEIR CHURCH BY
WHAT, IT'S A CHANTD.
>> WELL, AT LEAST IN THAT ONE
SERVICE IT WAS RICH, RICH, RICH.
GOD WANTS US RICH.
BUT THAT'S NOT JUST THEM.
THAT'S MODERN AMERICAN
CHRISTIANITY HAS LOST ITS FOCUS
ON RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TURNED TO
RICHES.
AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE OUR
FREEDOM AND WE'RE GOING TO LOSE
EVERYTHING.
>> WOW.
YOU FOLKS THAT ARE WATCHING, THE
ONLY ANSWER IS IN THE PERSON OF
THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
THAT'S THE ONLY ANSWER.
AND IF YOU HAVEN'T TRUSTED HIM,
CALL UPON HIM TODAY.
INVITE HIM TO TAKE OVER YOUR
LIFE.
HE WILL.
GOD BLESS YOU.
BYE BYE.
♪♪ ♪♪
wó
ANNOUNCER: BREAKTHROUGH
WITH ROD PARSLEY,
IMPACTING THE WORLD WITH
THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST.
>> GOD REALLY DOES HAVE MORE
IN STORE FOR YOU THAN YOU
EVER DREAMED POSSIBLE, AND I
WANT TO INVITE YOU TO JOIN
THE MILLIONS AROUND THE
WORLD WHO TUNE IN TO
BREAKTHROUGH HERE ON CTN
SATELLITE WEEKDAYS AT
9:00 A.M. EASTERN FOR
PROPHETIC PREACHING TO
TURN YOUR LIFE
RIGHT SIDE UP.
ANNOUNCER: BREAKTHROUGH
WITH ROD PARSLEY,
WEEKDAY MORNINGS
AT 9:00 ON CTN.
Doug Kaufmann:ow can a known poison that exists in our food