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eventually imbue free as the title role he's
well-known cartoonist his work they appear to time fortune bloomberg
personal in over a hundred billion alternate weekly newspapers in the
nineteen nineties that he had some trouble during the bush years because
uh... he is definitely not of
like mine with towards the midwest but surprisingly also trouble
no bombing years a trend are about in the second is also by the way the offer
of
anti american manifesto
and as website is federal dot com fred welcome leotard they currently i agree
daddy here palm first of all
adjusts real briefly tell us about the trouble you had uh...
during the bush
obviously like a lot of progress savoy food for thought we had a stroke
marginalize especially after nine eleven
stop there
distinct like the uh... the general space for political discussion in the
u_s_ shifted to the right
across the board so that
pretty much you had bill maher africa on what passed for the left without ranging
all the way to craving the outcomes
like wolfowitz on the right
and that was pretty much all that was acceptable and a lot of newspapers and
magazines
started trimming
lefty forces from their pages and uh...
at that also coincided with the meltdown in the print media
so it was the pretty tough patch their throughout the bush years
and i would definitely hoping for an improvement
where no comment came in and two thousand in two thousand they prefer to
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you know i've been doing this
cartooning and writing fantasy early clinton years
and i thought well you'll probably look a lot like that
but
and tell me why
wrote about how we could hairy huron street out of the problem with uh...
with what i do it when you get a retraction
you're never a hundred percent sure why it is i mean you know sometimes
they just don't really have to pay for that they don't have faith neff truth
sometimes will fade
but they don't have the money in the certainly in the state of the expect
ritu
but perhaps surprising number of editors i who aren't working for progress server
so-called liberal
publication to cooper very overt
over the past couple of years in the not tolerating any kind of
criticism of obama particularly criticism from the left which is
so what i've been doing to me like a lot of
lefty if i've been pretty disappointed with the president
and uh... i feel that he's been carrying on a lot of the bush policies
particularly related to the economy in the war
and uh... so
i've been going after him from that point of view which is
in a really good job of a political cartoonist
there doesn't seem to be any space for that any more competitive talking like
that under clinton z
were some publications that
told you that hey listen you're coming out into hard
from the left
i can't mean in two years because why i care precluded camino frederick you can
recall him that we are last week the rights of the oklahoma park
and i i just don't want to editors to think that if they correspond with me
that you know my correspondence with them from a business perspective
isn't confidential and it's one thing that's a well what people are telling me
this
but another thing to posters someone female and
uh... you know who it was he could get it and it's just uh...
you know i'm willing to curtis at the bridge on fire not really willing to
nuke it at this point
land
the discussion the beginning that that was problem i know if so far for a lot
of people are lady the panel on msnbc today with
gives her a jane hampshire adam rain
and all bottle box lost
they're like you know what to do that we were bored with the battle on your added
apparently it's hard to understand
you know one
these people are too though left of the present to the left of the president i
don't know why that's so hard to comprehend
but hasn't got it
better for you terrorists as time has gone by have people been like hey you
know what you're kinda right about that
now if you could really absent you know i kept expecting a lot of people
to take a little bit longer to realize that obama with really kind of a
center-right president he's not a liberal by any means
and i think a lot of cornell west comment further
well-taken after especially on the ideological front but i do not expect
account gift to american taking a while to realize uh... but they're a president
for her feet of clay
you know
bush was compared to churchill after nine eleven
and it took me a good solid three-four years for
people to realize what he was really made up and i thought they were in the
fifties kinda coupled with obama
you know i ikkada turned on him in a few notes of economic team
avenue that's the president going to be a disaster
confronting these your biggest problems that we face today which is the economy
but at the same time
and i thought well that's the perfect time
but you know it's been time it's been over two years
it she shocking to me i meet you know if you're on the left how can you possibly
be okay with the libya policy
you know how can you be okay
with the expansion of the war in afghanistan how can you be okay
without the coddling of the bakersfield
it just goes karala nam p
domestic wiretapping program
guantanamo is still open
zero committee
suicide bear couple paid to go
and
you know i meet
progressive seems like they forgot men about their principles
and instead
ambitious defending them and that's not what i'm all about
zoo
you mention a bunch of things there and i want us from a question about that
because having we agree on
eighty five to ninety percent of the stuff huh
we actually this really gonna get back then once i get weekly
you mentioned coddling the banks
a lot of democrats out there
don't quite understand
eight he passed by a historic finance reform
supple how would you answer
well where the prosecution
uh... you know i mean if we're talking about and if there was in fact rampant
insider trading
the even bigger these people on wall street worth
teams of eight data basically states they stole money from the investors
estate
they've misuse the bailout money
two black who literally stuff we can make their remain to work
remodeled a corporate bathrooms they gave himself raises with federal tax
dollars
you know most allot of these uh... but had to be major banks made who should be
in prison today
and there's you know this administration just doesn't seem to really like
investigations
not just in the fame way that
oh bomb enough that they weren't going to be any
investigations of uh... torture under bush
policy seems to be just move on but the net effect is
that uh... people there's no consequence of her
bronchus
sent me a lot of the
people you called bomb bus would say
but what could be do
look at the circus
this is that he found himself in
in any of this economy
imploding
you know what was his was view not give money the
links and then have it aspin the great depression etcetera etcetera
use helton delta really bad ahead
and you know your expectations of them are far too high how would you answer
that
well i think first and foremost can keep the one who wanted to job
and i'll show you know you can't really blame
those of us who have high expectations from a guy who
ran as competent
smart alternate calm alternative too
the republicans and bush and
the continuation of
those policy for free with a few hundred mckean and palance
so i mean no doubt he inherited an economy in full fledged meltdowns
but at the same time someone african canadian fed never squander a crisis
and out he did squandered a crisis
i mean if the bank for too big to fail why not nationalize the couple of them
people into the federal government and when they turn around the profits belong
to the taxpayers find
little disagreement we had i_c_m_ in favor of solidifies and i'll tell you
why
i think that
you know if hewlett qaddafi run roughshod through miss rata et cetera et
cetera they would have sent a message to the rest the
agent in tunisia screwed up
what issue really done is from
did all the protesters and would let them get away with it now i know you can
save
we're not doing a bar and when i do it in yemen we're not doing it certainly is
daddy arabia
although it is very congenial right
but think
libya so worried about that that
well keeping i'd worry about the what is
things are going to be too much open bushes call for war against iraq you
know what the f saddam
attack the u_s_ with nukes what if what if well you know anything's possible we
don't know really what the libyan
uh... loyalist forces would have done
in the product
but let's assume for the sake of argument
that ballet to help things would have alternately content
uh... we have sided effectively
with one side in the civil conflict
without really knowing a hell of a lot about them
you know we've put american lives at risk of expense
hundreds of millions of dollars maybe perhaps billions of dollars at this
point
and we don't know what we're going to end up with
we want to copy it right and we end up with radical islamist
i mean they are part of the coalition that's fighting qaddafi
that worries me terribly we'd have to be afghanistan
nineteen ninety-two all over again
and then that the other the other part that really worries me
if the fact that we seem to have created a stalemate
by not going to all pianist
weekly came to a balanced the two forces
and at this point
what what supposed to take a couple of weeks
uh... seems like a chess it's becoming too strong out
enlist conflict and right now it seems like the u_s_ if have the effect
of evenly
bouncing the to decide
and the blood adjustments
let me just quickly state my case on that and then i only get to our overall
points looked at
it wasn't quite a while if you'd already killed a great number of people and it
seemed fairly avedon i thought but he was about to kill
more that's what the people who live you were saying as a people throughout the
world was saying but he'd already done allot of it
and so it wasn't like a total wanted sehgal wall
look yes there might be islamists in the mix is no question about that on the
other hand what'll i prefer dictator now i would rather take a shot chance on
democracy you know and is going be great pervert the mark c nowhere near
and probably the only got a country who believes
that obama's half measure in that regard is the right way to go because ground
troops
is counterproductive in my opinion as we've seen racked and afghanistan but i
thought hey
that revels a fighting chance and see if they can bow thing op and i'm actually
whether or not somewhat encouraged that we're going on the right direction now
look i'd just take that as that's my case that's your taste iraq i hear you
on what you're saying
we have a perfectly reasonable position you to the left them
me on that but i don't
because you to the left arm and that idle figure eighty j q
i think that's what i didn't know exactly i mean
right at the end of the argument that i was making in my column last week
with merely that these are the kinds of debate and discussion ought to be
occurring in the in publications like
the nation's mother tones progressive
and although there are
spot enough certainly entitled mama
opinions expressed in the publication they're very very mild and there's
really nothing that come from
at far-left left as i am
and you know frankly i'm not that far left me a bit
big percentages of the country that agree with me
fights loom
legal way to the right but i don't think
the country has shifted that much at all
it's developed here you go to the polls in the polls are totally progressive
missus nobody ever listens the polls so despite all think had you know
you talk about the oklahoma box
a_t_r_ or even
or it's in the democratic party overall what's your sense of
what percentage their i mean i know of course which is totally jesse right
given your experience
there the great majority are they they don't seem to be the minority or they
barely imager
you know i would have been independently and right now we're probably looking at
between thirty five and forty percent of the voting public
are people who would vote for obama no matter what and that's probably about
the pain of our who would have voted for george w_ bush
no matter what
and the swing it in the middle
um... so
you know the problem is that for the media is not really reflecting that mix
a lot of people arc very come disappointed
uh... with the president and they're not all crazy tea party people
you know that that uh... discussion two-thirds to be
a little brother
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i think what everybody wants knows what's your offer
well i think it would have liked to have the president
not obama rarely have because he really did run at least that a democratic
leadership council
clintonites typewritten but the president that people thought they were
voting for based on the tone a month
hope and change posters and all that
i would unto think that
the country is if you could no longer
he should no longer be enthralled to feels right wing policies like
trickle-down economics
but health care system that's completely broken and not going to be fixed
sort of quartermaster that obama putting through
we took me to try it something you know
p the economy isn't complete collapse
we are in the late period capitalism
unemployment is skyrocketing
you know it's people talking about a recovery patrick joke agreed with one
out of five americans out of work
you know they've been to the fame numbers as we found the early nineteen
thirties
wheat we really need to radical solutions
jot
or how would you go about it
well i would love to see uh... left-wing challenged to a bomber in the primaries
uh... certainly
there are
you know i think people like was ralph nader played out
but you know feingold someone like that
uh... it would be really nice to see that i meet
i don't really see how
that's going to happen because
obama's coming to the table with a billion dollars supposedly
in campaign financing but or at least
so he threatening but i'd like to know how much of but democracy you can really
say we have
doug if the presidential nomination it's already a foregone conclusion
a full year ahead of time and that the and that he's already filled favored
that major republicans are dropping out of the rates because they're afraid of
although i
i think there
they're probably overstating the case
you know i mean i think the fifteenth of math
well on that we definitely by several
uh... everything thing about it at all dot com and of course is book is that if
the american manifesto and articles the rise of the obama baat spy ted thanks so
much for the house on the other