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before we get the emails i want to talk about this i got an email on twitter
from an audience member saying listen refusing service refusing a business
service to for example at a restaurant two eighty
political group you don't like is legal whereas refusing service to an achanak
or religious group you don't like is illegal why and add this is an
interesting question i started looking into this
number one in twenty nine states you can refuse service to someone for being gay
next the federal service at the federal civil rights act guarantees all people
the rate of pulling equal enjoyment of the good services facilities privileges
advantages and accommodations
of any place of public accommodation without discrimination and segregation
on the race of four things race color religion or national origin okay
in cases when the patron is not a member of a federally protected class
the question is was the business refusing them service
arbitrary
or was there a specific interest in refusing that service okay so for
example in california recently there was any california cord that decided that a
motorcycle club didn't have a discrimination claim against a sports
bar that didn't let people in when they were wearing their colors or of refused
to remove them because it was specifically to prevent fights ok so
don't you agree that that's a reasonable that's not a arbitrary reason to refuse
service to a group
on the other hand
a california court decided that a restaurant owner
camp refused to see two gay couple in a semi private booth
where the restaurant policy was only seat to people
of opposite sex there was no legitimate business reason for the refusal of
service
so it was arbitrary discrimination and therefore unlawful do you agree with
that
i don't know the loss of your asking me the legal aspect of it i mean in other
ways that it
managed the baby about it
mike what my thing is this
if the question is is their any business reason to do it
what at the restaurant owner says you know what
i have no problem with gay people personally with the couple's the thing
is if i happen to know that most of my clientele
is not comparable
with gay couples having dinner therefore it's not arbitrary it's a very specific
reason took avoid negatively affecting my business but i don't want to see gay
couples on dates and that private booth because it'll hurt my clientele
would that not sorry again
it's a protected class dot com and putting that aside for now but it is
that not make it not arbitrary
i think at the same thing i did acne
and the people are gonna hate me for that i think they've got a right to do
that i'd think they should have the right to do that not that they do have
the right to do it i'd think they should i think they should have the record even
be able to stay my customers don't like black people i would prefer that they
tell me that than i had me going to spend my money in savannah
so what you're saying is that
is that
as a black man
if u were given the choice between going to a restaurant
not knowing that they would prefer to not serve black people
going in spending your money and leaving you would actually rather noted that
deep down they'd rather not serve you and then you can just avoid the plays
altogether
i prefer that completely i prefer to know my friends are and the miami though
and never missed a good trip
that's fine but personally feel that way but do you understand why legally if
that was allowed if it was a discrimination was allowed based on on
ethnicity race
et cetera white it did it is and was for hundreds of years a huge problem in this
country by following
absolutely i realize that my point of view is considering they killed from
bones
what do you think that time
yeah i was just wondering what about language i mean what if uh...
you're used to see people because they're speaking for a french
he's an example that parties would appreciate national origin is on the
bizarre necessarily reporting which is because based on national or i think
that
the language is speaking is based on national origin therefore you can't
refuse service to someone because of that because that's basically because
they're not american that would be that would fall into the for protected groups
near the other thing is
this idea of arbitrary really is an issue because of our or an airline can
refuse service to uh...
alcoholic a rather to serve alcoholic drinks to people who were quote dropped
right
it's not a protected group but there's a very specific non arbitrary reason why
you're doing that they're already drawn they shouldn't be serve more alcohol
if someone let's get back to the example if if you're going to refuse service to
republicans is that possible
that it's not arbitrary you know most of the people that are in keating in your
restaurant are are democrats
and if vivid republicans coming it's going to negatively affect your business
to be does that count distinct listen it's not arbitrary
yeah i don't know i think you just walk in iraq from some shaky ground their
probably even now and i know that's not what you're asking but probably they
know that the person was republican
no that's the obvious next question
that that that's obviously the flag is that there was a convention and your
restaurant and you just want the democrats there you don't want the
republicans i don't know i don't know it's very very poor envelope
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