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>> Jose Etcheverry: [Whooshing sound] Thank you very much.
I'd like to invite Annette to the podium
so we have a little bit of gender balance,
little bit, a very little.
And this is the concluding part of our panel today.
So, 30 seconds each of you please do what Tyler did
at the end of his presentation.
He talked about regulatory stability
and financial mechanisms to make it profitable to do these things
so we can move from pre-commercial to commercial
so people can experiment by doing.
So, in 30 seconds each of the panelists can sum
up the take-home message because this is a knowledge mobilization
event and we will take notes to make sure
that we communicate it to the right people.
And also the last thing is I'll invite the co-chair of the SEI,
Dr. Mark Winfield to do a summation of the day.
So, who wants to be the first brave 30-seconder?
>> Brad Cochrane: I just want to get it over with,
because Peter didn't tell me about this part.
I guess my final thought to touch on a couple
of themes and similarities.
I came from a very rural background as well,
more on the beef side farm than the dairy side.
But again, I kind of hearken back to this day
where the agricultural and the food roots,
understanding the swing of the season.
You know, make hay while the sun shines.
You know growing up around the farm there was usually an old
derelict windmill and underneath it was a water tank.
And without electricity our grandfathers,
or maybe I'm dating myself,
our great-grandfathers had this figured out.
And you know to Tyler's point there is a multitude of ways
to do this and we need them all from small to medium to big,
right across the spectrum.
So, I guess the other example to kind of hearken back to--
I mean I grew up in a house with a sistern.
And when it rained you gathered the rain and you kept it
for when you needed it.
And I think that those old ideas are making
that sustainable comeback.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Thanks Brad.
And we have an open mic
if somebody has a concluding question brief,
line up on that mic.
Otherwise we keep going with the 30 second.
And Fernando, 30 seconds thoughts,
almost like a pop quiz.
>> Fernando Carou: Is it working?
It is yea.
Okay, so I guess I'm being put on the spot.
The way actually that, that I would answer that Jose,
actually is you know obviously from the point of view
of the city, anything that happens on the provincial side,
on the large scale grid and so on, we will benefit from that,
of course being a large user of energy and so on.
But, you know the area where we have more control over actually,
of course, actually is on the more local side of things.
So, we like to say that we like to look at you know more
of the municipal energy approach
where we have a little more control.
And then obviously, you know collectively all of us can work
on the provincial energy side.
So, from the municipal energy side actually were extremely
hopeful actually, because we're able
to actually integrate you know some of these solutions.
And we've done business cases for district energy
and we are doing you know PV actually and we're sort
of leading by example as much as we can and reaching out
and identifying, being also very pragmatic that campuses right,
are probably the place to start.
You know you can do thermal distribution of energy,
which is not regulated and then keep the electricity
and actually use it within the campus.
So, hopefully by the time that we get
to the other tougher locations
in the city we will have more supportive legislation.
But we're not standing back and waiting.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Excellent.
Thanks and just so Fernando A plus for effort,
because put on the spot you produce.
So, not to put people on the spot, we're going to finish it
with Curtis, Tyler and Annette to address the gender imbalance
and we'll take your question in a minute, sir.
I'm sorry, in a minute and a half as a matter of fact.
>> Curtis VanWalleghem: I'll be pretty brief.
I mean my closing thought is I think we've got a lot of stuff
in place here in Ontario.
The one area I think where we could use a little bit more
leadership and a little bit more you know forward thinking is
in the policy arena.
And I am seeing pockets of good stuff happening.
I notice there is an RFP out for regulation, frequency regulation
from the IESO for storage and the like; so that's fantastic.
So as long as people keep the pressure on
and saying we want storage on the grid,
we're not looking for handouts.
Just tell us what the regime is and kind of hold it steady,
business will come to it.
But right now, it's just--
it's cut out because of little legacy rules, regulations
and there's just nothing there for us.
So, we're going off to other places like the Caribbean,
we'd rather be building it here at home.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Thank you Curtis.
Tyler, 30 second summation.
>> Tyler: I'm not even sure what the question is.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Take-home message if we were to say
to the Minister of energy right now, we want storage to happen,
what do we need to do?
>> Tyler: Well, I've already said that to the Minister
of Energy and various people [Laughter] at the OPA,
but you know their response back to me is you know what?
It probably was a good idea five years ago,
but we really overbuilt on natural gas
and now there's no need for storage.
We can just burn gas.
So, it's kind of hard to I guess get into a discussion with them.
Like this is what the Northland Power folks have already faced
in their discussions with the pump storage facility
in Marmora.
They basically said, "Great idea.
You know this is terrific, but we don't have the rules in place
and besides we've got too much natural gas."
So, I don't have any solutions there.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Okay, well we need to change the channel.
You can use the natural gas to also heat water
and to district energy get two products for the price
of one rather than just electricity.
>> Tyler: Well, that's why I just add--
that's the why the power and the gas thing I find compelling
because it's a way to okay,
if we got that infrastructure there then let's figure
out a way to blend in more I guess clean energy
into the natural gas stream.
So, that's why I think
in Ontario it's actually a pretty good place
to start for that approach.
>> Jose Etcheverry: Exactly,
we can use biogas instead of natural gas.
And Annette the floor is yours.
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>> Annette Vershuren: I've always-- is that working, no?
Is that working?
Yea, I don't look through the rear-view mirror.
I look through the windshield of every vehicle I ever drive.
And if we keep thinking about these problems
because of our past we'll never have the courage to make change
and cause change to happen.
I'm going to do this from a perspective of trying
to put together business deals and really being a voice
to present different technologies in an economic way
and inevitably change will happen.
The world is changing.
And I don't want Ontario to be behind the eight ball
and I think it took great courage
to introduce the Green Energy Act.
As other speakers have said, we missed a piece in terms
of the execution and implementation
of that renewable energy.
Don't turn around and complete the vision of what was started.
Take advantage and really develop a clean energy sector
and create jobs and bring benefit to--
because the one thing we didn't talk
about is how many jobs [Inaudible] created.
We really become a clean energy sector leader in North America.
We'll have big advantage in the future in the next 50 years.
>> Jose Etecheverry: Thank you Annette.
And--
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