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joining me now are lyrique pratt executive director of gun owners of
america and loud average director of communications from the coalition to
stop gun violence now gentleman initially we were going to have you want
to talk about the portland oregon shooting of course over the weekend we
had the shooting in connecticut so i think really that uh... is going to
change our discussion a little bit although maybe maybe less than i imagine
we'll see what you guys have to say
larry i want to go to you first
do you believe we've seen anything
over the weekend in connecticut that makes you rethink what the policy should
be on gun regulation registration and gun gun control and screening uh... at
all in this country
or certainly should be rethinking we should be getting rid of the laws that
have facilitated
this kind of tragedy from occurring
godfrey sounds
uh... are minor penalty compared to ***
and yet uh... mass *** was contemplated and carried out
so it doesn't really make much sense to talk about
uh... penalizing people for having a gun a gun free zone went
the people who are being victimized need to be able to protect themselves
okay so bad luck pick that up the idea that if more people in the schools were
armed that would be a better situation
yeah you know david i i i think we've reached a point of particularly after
the president's remarks last last night
where we need to call madness madness and i do know of one individual whom
day by day
insularity stating in this type in a plot you know is quote unquote solution
and i was there she lands are our director no doubts that
larry the and it before this uh... kid went on a rampage would have told us
then acting lens await the literal arsenal firearms she had in our home
was probably the safest born in america i think this poisonous method of program
movement is circulated na protected site guns make a saber uh... i think that
died along with those little children on friday so quick
you know that we we were talking about perhaps
now getting into oregon
at them all up in oregon and there was a fellow carrying a gun
against small policy which would have been some sort of minor infraction
uh... when he heard the sounds of the shooter firing here and toward them
and as he was coming into range this shooters saw him that's when he
committed suicide so to say that that we can just dismiss it
the idea that guns make us safer i think is uh...
to miss the point that all the data we have shown that where guns are more
readily available
there we have a lot personal problem with criminals because criminals know
they're going to need
uh... quite likely effective resistance does that but it is that what the data
fell flat
now what does it say that i mean it really richer or you know the people of
what's your cell
to look at the c_d_c_ data on st dot a dot repeats and consist in the states
with the dot that was that high streets and on that then you can look at
you know even states like a state like a black
uh... that always predominately has not been the highest on death rates in the
fifty states and you know it's it's a very tough that was conversely have
become very low rates have gone death you note finally playing off what larry
just said you know uh... you know i'll leave it up to seen americans to to
uh... think about whether having shoot-outs in malls with lunatics who
have been legally armed or easily easily gained access to firearms makes sense a
firm grip
well the debt absolutely do not say what you're suggesting that the f_b_i_ for
years have been producing data to show that
the states that have the more
uh... www
they make it easier for people that have firearms to carry firearms concealed
those of the states that have the lower violent crime rates and the idea that
somehow we would be safe room all waiting for somebody to come man shoot
us
rather than being able to fight back
uh... if we're talking about madness i would say that borders on madness
mobile madness is telling people that it's okay to be waiting in a more for
someone to come and shoot down
uh... you know that art modern democracies you don't have to worry
about someone
coming to shoot you a little altering our supports a year law student and a m
gender
no no i'm not mistaken and i think that's all right and again your honor i
have had some of the greatest mass murders
industry sent here to enhance our own country the largest mass *** at a
school
all occurred
in nineteen twenty nine in michigan when thirty seven people were murdered by a
guy with bombs sorry it here and i think that's a fact and ireland's not fake
offender perfect let us countryside astronomically low rates are going to
happen you know that work
left that if that had heard that we've been talking about mass murders and the
fact of the matter is
europe has had
at least daft astronomically lower rates at larry and you know that
and i had overall hamas as you know why i don't have also dramatically lower
than ours larry if if you'll be more until i translated math
over the last century my friend
they were and not able to stop at a mass murderer called hitler or another one
called lenin began about his original resisting that hall and i think we have
to wait what when we're talking about her killer inched role laws and is crazy
to suggest that somehow they have this lower-grade of *** i think we have a
blind eye at the whole idea of an eight-year effect that we have to back
off of the ideally big you note let's have wanted sign your favorite out onto
gaspard group that has occurred by their governments facilitated caused by
directly brought about by and trees seeded by
done confiscation
that's a cute street of the last century and europe let me and they don't regret
what you guys guys when they pick it up there for a second if i may
number one i don't think that talking about world war two is relevant to
talking about
the math shootings that were having in the u_s_ in twenty twelve first of all
but secondly
when we talk about regulation restriction on guns
the idea of taking everyone's guns is number one night on the table
and number two oh that's not constitutional so no one's talking about
the fearmongering that were saying about
if we start regulating guns were all of a sudden taking everyone's goes i think
that's being way below ninety regulate guns we say that you can't have a gun in
the mall
that is unconstitutional that is a nice deadly on early on as the airplane the
hapless isn't it interesting that in oregon
the mast murderer was cut very short because he saw somebody coming with
undone well latte i think that the constitution talks about well-regulated
right for the idea of not having not know guns in specific places as pop
wouldn't that be a part of the regulation
let let's get back to factor into the lake mead spiritually
break when when our founders debated the second amendment there is existing
surviving debate attend these things are facts not not fish their conspiracy
theory
the issue of the individual self defense was not even mentioned
in those debates those debates one hundred-percent of what the discussion
centered around military star this ins eight militia forces with the second
amendment
james madison who was a federalist by the way amend that believe that only by
strengthening the federal government could we preserve argument
he was attempting to balance control of the state militia between the federal
government
and the states because in the constitution
which came before the bill of rights
medicine that given the great control
over the motion to the federal congress which were really anti federalists and
people concerned about states rights so you know all this insurrection in some
coming from larry
about how he wants to arm himself against are governed meant
and shoot and kill government officials when you think search a radical
that era ended or excuse me james madison was an insurrection as he was
part
of an insurrection against british tyranny
and is only about uh... somehow i'm participating in conspiracy theories
with car own government in fast and furious supplying the mexican cartel
with a very kinds of guns you all would like to ban i think that goes over the
top let's take a pause from the constitutional conversation and i want a
kind of uh... as we we we don't have a limited time i wanna
focused and very specifically on the idea of
more guns in schools
doesn't basic logic tell us that
the same teachers
that the american right has been calling overpaid and on-call qualified
becoming gun toting security guard
ken only lead to disaster lab
it's madness stated i'm not gonna treat it as serious and the people preaching a
art our people in our government
well are you know preaching the kind of insurrection his ideology that you're in
for larry
i'm not gonna even treated seriously more
now on the way could not have to prague
well evidently down streets self-defense seriously to say that somehow
a teacher would have been perfectly useless in stopping a mass murderer is
to do with uh... they say that nobody should be able to defend themselves and
i think that's part of the problem is that there's a tendency to say that
self-defense is somehow
uh... unproductive workout for productive in it
only leads to worse things happening
how worse doesn't have to get with twenty seven people dead surely had
somebody come barging into that
classroom with a gun
dot would have had a much greater chance of ending it rather than the creek
running out of bullets
but i just think it's just that
i mean you know if you carry here larry is he's lobbied for years that we can
our gun laws
to the point where lunatics like jarrod locklear james holmes adam lanza can be
easily england's often legally because of his lobbying and now he's telling us
that because he's done that antique and he's putting us under threat everyday
that we should have to bring guns into a classroom with five and six year olds i
think that's disgusting i think it's time to three any flights out of fences
disgusting then there's not much i can do that all of the night on larry after
their underground would have been very on discussing and we've been discussing
only
to the mass murderer
and uh... it uh... your finding that disgusting then we really have a
different point of view on the world only but we certainly do
alright out there certainly much more they can be said i think we've uh...
we've seen
that people are coming out this from drastically different sides i wonder how
possibly we could ever come together on some kind of compromise on this
hopefully the next the next few days weeks and months will give us a sense of
that i wish we had more time we've been speaking with larry pratt the executive
director of gun owners of america
and lad everett the director of communications at the coalition to stop
gun violence accounting i appreciate you being here today even if we couldn't get
much agreement
sleuth
thank you get it
thank you back take care