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>>> GOOD EVENING AND THANKS FOR JOINING US.
JOINING US. I'M MARIA PARNHAM FOR THE
I'M MARIA PARNHAM FOR THE "ARIZONA DAILY STAR."
"ARIZONA DAILY STAR." TONIGHT WE'LL ASK HOW THIS
TONIGHT WE'LL ASK HOW THIS YEAR'S STATE BUDGET AFFECTS THE
YEAR'S STATE BUDGET AFFECTS THE FINANCES FOR A LOCAL SCHOOL
FINANCES FOR A LOCAL SCHOOL DISTRICT.
DISTRICT. WE'LL ALSO FIND OUT ABOUT A
WE'LL ALSO FIND OUT ABOUT A SETTLEMENT BETWEEN MARANA AND
SETTLEMENT BETWEEN MARANA AND PIMA COUNTY REGARDING WASTE
PIMA COUNTY REGARDING WASTE WATER TREATMENT.
WATER TREATMENT. WE'LL SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE THINK
WE'LL SEE WHY SOME PEOPLE THINK WE SHOULD TAKE THE PARTISANSHIP
WE SHOULD TAKE THE PARTISANSHIP OUT OF POLITICS AND FOCUS ON
OUT OF POLITICS AND FOCUS ON ISSUES, NOT PARTY LABELS.
ISSUES, NOT PARTY LABELS. FIRST A LOOK AT DEAD'S TOP
FIRST A LOOK AT DEAD'S TOP STORIES.
STORIES. >>> UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA SPORTS
>>> UNIVERSITY OF ARIZONA SPORTS BROADCASTER AND COMMUNITY
BROADCASTER AND COMMUNITY ACTIVIST DAVE SITTON DIED EARLY
ACTIVIST DAVE SITTON DIED EARLY THIS MORNING OF APPARENT HEART
THIS MORNING OF APPARENT HEART ATTACK.
ATTACK. HE WAS 58 YEARS OLD.
HE WAS 58 YEARS OLD. WHILE HE'S BEST KNOWN FOR
WHILE HE'S BEST KNOWN FOR SPENDING MORE THAN TWO DECADES
SPENDING MORE THAN TWO DECADES CALLING U OF A FOOTBALL AND
CALLING U OF A FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL GAMES ON TELEVISION,
BASKETBALL GAMES ON TELEVISION, HE ALSO WAS ACTIVE WITH A NUMBER
HE ALSO WAS ACTIVE WITH A NUMBER OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS
OF COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING THE CONQUISTADORS.
INCLUDING THE CONQUISTADORS. IN 2012, SITTON RAN IN THE
IN 2012, SITTON RAN IN THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY TO FILL THE
REPUBLICAN PRIMARY TO FILL THE CONGRESSIONAL TERM OF GABRIELLE
CONGRESSIONAL TERM OF GABRIELLE GIFFORDS.
GIFFORDS. HE LOST TO JESSE KELLY.
HE LOST TO JESSE KELLY. SERVICES FOR SITTON ARE PENDING.
SERVICES FOR SITTON ARE PENDING. >>> CUSTOMS AND BORDER
>>> CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION IS SPENDING $15
PROTECTION IS SPENDING $15 MILLION FOR HOMES FOR BORDER
MILLION FOR HOMES FOR BORDER PATROL AGENTS.
PATROL AGENTS. ACCORDING TO THE "ARIZONA
ACCORDING TO THE "ARIZONA REPUBLIC" THE AVERAGE HOME COSTS
REPUBLIC" THE AVERAGE HOME COSTS ABOUT $600,000.
ABOUT $600,000. WHILE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT
WHILE THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT TALKING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THE
TALKING TO THE MEDIA ABOUT THE HOMES, ACCORDING TO THE REPUBLIC
HOMES, ACCORDING TO THE REPUBLIC A BORDER CONTROL OFFICIAL TOLD A
A BORDER CONTROL OFFICIAL TOLD A REAL ESTATE AGENT THE AVERAGE
REAL ESTATE AGENT THE AVERAGE COST OF THE HOMES WAS ABOUT
COST OF THE HOMES WAS ABOUT $170,000.
$170,000. THE REST OF THAT MONEY WAS
THE REST OF THAT MONEY WAS APPARENTLY USED TO RELOCATE AREA
APPARENTLY USED TO RELOCATE AREA RESIDENTS AND DEAL WITH OTHER
RESIDENTS AND DEAL WITH OTHER RELATED COSTS.
RELATED COSTS. THE AVERAGE HOME SOLD LAST YEAR
THE AVERAGE HOME SOLD LAST YEAR FOR LESS THAN $100,000.
FOR LESS THAN $100,000. >>> U.S. SENATOR JOHN McCAIN WAS
>>> U.S. SENATOR JOHN McCAIN WAS AT THE MARICOPA KANT COURTHOUSE
AT THE MARICOPA KANT COURTHOUSE THIS MORNING FOR JURY DUTY.
THIS MORNING FOR JURY DUTY. THE SENATOR MADE THE INITIAL CUT
THE SENATOR MADE THE INITIAL CUT FOR TRIAL BUT WAS EVENTUALLY
FOR TRIAL BUT WAS EVENTUALLY DISMISSED.
DISMISSED. McCAIN IS SCHEDULED TO HOLD A
McCAIN IS SCHEDULED TO HOLD A TOWN HALL MEETING IN TUCSON
TOWN HALL MEETING IN TUCSON TOMORROW.
TOMORROW. THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S
THAT'S A LOOK AT TONIGHT'S HEADLINES.
>>> IN JUNE, THE STATE LEGISLATURE DRAFTED A BUDGET FOR
LEGISLATURE DRAFTED A BUDGET FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR WHICH THE
THIS FISCAL YEAR WHICH THE GOVERNOR SIGNED INTO LAW.
GOVERNOR SIGNED INTO LAW. IT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR ALL
IT INCLUDES FUNDING FOR ALL STATE SERVICES INCLUDING
STATE SERVICES INCLUDING EDUCATION.
EDUCATION. JOINING US IN THE STUDIO TO TALK
JOINING US IN THE STUDIO TO TALK ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE STATE
ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE STATE BUDGET ON LOCAL EDUCATION
BUDGET ON LOCAL EDUCATION SPENDING IS DAN CONTORNO, CHIEF
SPENDING IS DAN CONTORNO, CHIEF FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE MARANA
FINANCIAL OFFICER FOR THE MARANA UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT.
UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT. HI AND THANKS FOR JOINING US
HI AND THANKS FOR JOINING US TODAY.
TODAY. >> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. >> LET'S START BY TALKING ABOUT
>> LET'S START BY TALKING ABOUT THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN
THE MAIN DIFFERENCES BETWEEN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE
LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THE BUDGET WE'RE FACING THIS YEAR IN
BUDGET WE'RE FACING THIS YEAR IN MARANA IN PARTICULAR.
MARANA IN PARTICULAR. >> I'LL START WITH THE STATE
>> I'LL START WITH THE STATE LEVEL.
LEVEL. THE STATE LEVEL INCREASED THE
THE STATE LEVEL INCREASED THE SCHOOL DISTRICT'S BUDGETS FOR
SCHOOL DISTRICT'S BUDGETS FOR K-12 EDUCATION BY 1.8%, ADDED TO
K-12 EDUCATION BY 1.8%, ADDED TO THE BASE SUPPORT LEVEL WHICH IS
THE BASE SUPPORT LEVEL WHICH IS A PER-STUDENT FUNDING FORMULA
A PER-STUDENT FUNDING FORMULA THAT THEY USE.
THAT THEY USE. >> SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT
>> SO WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT MARANA, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY DOES
MARANA, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY DOES THAT MEAN FOR YOU?
THAT MEAN FOR YOU? >> TRANSLATED ROUGHLY INTO ABOUT
>> TRANSLATED ROUGHLY INTO ABOUT $1 MILLION EXTRA WHEN THEY PASS
$1 MILLION EXTRA WHEN THEY PASS THE BUDGET.
THE BUDGET. MARANA'S BEEN FACING SOME
MARANA'S BEEN FACING SOME ISSUES, REGARDLESS OF THE
ISSUES, REGARDLESS OF THE BUDGET, WE'VE LOST ENROLLMENT.
BUDGET, WE'VE LOST ENROLLMENT. WE ARE CURRENTLY PROBABLY THE
WE ARE CURRENTLY PROBABLY THE FOURTH LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICT
FOURTH LARGEST SCHOOL DISTRICT IN TUCSON AREA AND WE RANK AMONG
IN TUCSON AREA AND WE RANK AMONG THE TOP 10% IN PROBABLY THE
THE TOP 10% IN PROBABLY THE STATE.
STATE. THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL SCHOOL
THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN ARIZONA.
DISTRICTS IN ARIZONA. WE'VE LOST FROM -- WE WERE AT
WE'VE LOST FROM -- WE WERE AT 12,500 STUDENTS ROUGHLY.
12,500 STUDENTS ROUGHLY. WE'VE HAD IMPACT OF BUILDING A
WE'VE HAD IMPACT OF BUILDING A BUDGET THAT HAD 100 LESS
BUDGET THAT HAD 100 LESS STUDENTS IN IT AND THAT COULD BE
STUDENTS IN IT AND THAT COULD BE ATTRIBUTED TO MULTIPLE FACTORS
ATTRIBUTED TO MULTIPLE FACTORS INCLUDING FORECLOSURES, CHOICE,
INCLUDING FORECLOSURES, CHOICE, KIDS HAVE CHOICE, PARENTS HAVE
KIDS HAVE CHOICE, PARENTS HAVE CHOICE.
CHOICE. SOME OF THEM ARE MOVING TO THE
SOME OF THEM ARE MOVING TO THE CHARTER SCHOOLS.
CHARTER SCHOOLS. SO WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR GAME AND
SO WE HAVE TO BE ON OUR GAME AND REALLY OFFER PREMIER EDUCATIONAL
REALLY OFFER PREMIER EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE
OPPORTUNITIES FOR THESE STUDENTS.
STUDENTS. AND WE THINK WE'RE MAKING THE
AND WE THINK WE'RE MAKING THE RIGHT CHOICES RIGHT NOW.
RIGHT CHOICES RIGHT NOW. >> OKAY.
>> OKAY. SO THE IMPACT OF HAVING 100
SO THE IMPACT OF HAVING 100 FEWER STUDENTS IS NOT GOING TO
FEWER STUDENTS IS NOT GOING TO BE HUGE FOR YOU?
BE HUGE FOR YOU? >> YEAH, IT IS IN THE GRAND
>> YEAH, IT IS IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS AND I USE
SCHEME OF THINGS AND I USE $4,000 ROUGHLY PER STUDENT.
$4,000 ROUGHLY PER STUDENT. SO THE 100 DOES TRANSLATE INTO A
SO THE 100 DOES TRANSLATE INTO A PRETTY LARGE NUMBER FOR US.
PRETTY LARGE NUMBER FOR US. THE STATE DID INCREASE THE 1.8%,
THE STATE DID INCREASE THE 1.8%, SO THEREFORE, WE DID HAVE AN
SO THEREFORE, WE DID HAVE AN INITIAL $1 MILLION.
INITIAL $1 MILLION. THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S OTHER
THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S OTHER SIDES OF THE FUNDING FORMULA
SIDES OF THE FUNDING FORMULA THAT WERE IMPACTED SUCH AS
THAT WERE IMPACTED SUCH AS THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS THAT
THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS THAT GOT -- HAVE BEEN LARGELY
GOT -- HAVE BEEN LARGELY IMPACTED AND THAT'S OUR CAPITAL
IMPACTED AND THAT'S OUR CAPITAL FUNDS THEN THERE'S A FUND THAT
FUNDS THEN THERE'S A FUND THAT WAS USED TO -- THAT YOU HAD A
WAS USED TO -- THAT YOU HAD A CHOICE OF EITHER LEAVING IT IN
CHOICE OF EITHER LEAVING IT IN MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION WHICH
MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION WHICH IS -- THAT'S WHAT FUNDS SALARIES
IS -- THAT'S WHAT FUNDS SALARIES AND BENEFITS.
AND BENEFITS. OR PUTTING IT IN CAPITAL.
OR PUTTING IT IN CAPITAL. >> AND CAPITAL IS NEW SCHOOLS,
>> AND CAPITAL IS NEW SCHOOLS, NEW EQUIPMENT?
NEW EQUIPMENT? >> YEAH, AND TEXTBOOKS AND
>> YEAH, AND TEXTBOOKS AND COMPUTERS AND THE ITEMS NEEDED
COMPUTERS AND THE ITEMS NEEDED FOR INSTRUCTION.
FOR INSTRUCTION. SO, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN REALLY,
SO, YEAH, WE'VE BEEN REALLY, REALLY STRUGGLING LATELY.
REALLY STRUGGLING LATELY. AND FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE
AND FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS WE FORESEE A PROBLEM WITH OUR SOFT
FORESEE A PROBLEM WITH OUR SOFT CAPITAL.
CAPITAL. >> WHEN YOU RELATE THE PROBLEMS
>> WHEN YOU RELATE THE PROBLEMS IN MARANA TO OTHER SCHOOL
IN MARANA TO OTHER SCHOOL DISTRICTS IN THE AREA, ARE THEY
DISTRICTS IN THE AREA, ARE THEY FACING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME
FACING PRETTY MUCH THE SAME PROBLEMS YOU ARE?
PROBLEMS YOU ARE? >> YES.
>> YES. I BELIEVE SO.
I BELIEVE SO. THERE ARE COMMUNITIES SUCH AS
THERE ARE COMMUNITIES SUCH AS VEIL THAT HAVE HAD LARGE
VEIL THAT HAVE HAD LARGE ENROLLMENT GROWTH.
ENROLLMENT GROWTH. SO THEREFORE, THEY MAY NOT BE
SO THEREFORE, THEY MAY NOT BE SEEING THE SAME PROBLEMS WE ARE.
SEEING THE SAME PROBLEMS WE ARE. BUT FOR A MAJORITY OF THE
BUT FOR A MAJORITY OF THE DISTRICTS WE ARE FACING
DISTRICTS WE ARE FACING DECREASING ENROLLMENT WITH A
DECREASING ENROLLMENT WITH A STAGNANT PER-PUPIL FUNDING
STAGNANT PER-PUPIL FUNDING FACTOR.
FACTOR. SO THEREFORE OUR BUGS GO DOWN.
SO THEREFORE OUR BUGS GO DOWN. >> SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT
>> SO I WANTED TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE ONE-CENT SALES TAX THAT JUST
THE ONE-CENT SALES TAX THAT JUST EXPIRED.
EXPIRED. A LOT OF THAT WAS GOING TO
A LOT OF THAT WAS GOING TO EDUCATION.
EDUCATION. WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT ON TOP
WHAT'S THE IMPACT OF THAT ON TOP OF THE OTHER THINGS?
OF THE OTHER THINGS? >> YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING.
>> YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING. WHEN THE ONE-CENT SALES PASSED A
WHEN THE ONE-CENT SALES PASSED A FEW YEARS BACK, I THINK IT WAS
FEW YEARS BACK, I THINK IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO, THE NOTION WAS
THREE YEARS AGO, THE NOTION WAS IT WASN'T SO MUCH HOW MUCH MORE
IT WASN'T SO MUCH HOW MUCH MORE MONEY THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE
MONEY THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS WERE GOING TO GET, IT WAS HOW MUCH
GOING TO GET, IT WAS HOW MUCH LESS THEY WERE GOING TO CUT THE
LESS THEY WERE GOING TO CUT THE SCHOOL DISTRICTS.
SCHOOL DISTRICTS. WE WERE LOOKING AT A BUDGET WE
WE WERE LOOKING AT A BUDGET WE WERE FACING THAT WAS GOING TO BE
WERE FACING THAT WAS GOING TO BE I BELIEVE $12 MILLION.
I BELIEVE $12 MILLION. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN INSURMOUNTABLE.
INSURMOUNTABLE. WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD
WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD HAVE MANAGED THAT WITHOUT THE
HAVE MANAGED THAT WITHOUT THE SUPPORT OF THE ARIZONA STATE
SUPPORT OF THE ARIZONA STATE VOTERS.
VOTERS. IT'S PHASED OUT.
IT'S PHASED OUT. AND THIS YEAR WE ARE ACTUALLY
AND THIS YEAR WE ARE ACTUALLY SEEING THAT 1.8% INCREASE.
SEEING THAT 1.8% INCREASE. AND THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS I
AND THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS I THINK THE STATE BUDGET'S ROUGHLY
THINK THE STATE BUDGET'S ROUGHLY $9 BILLION.
$9 BILLION. AND THAT WAS $1 BILLION WORTH OF
AND THAT WAS $1 BILLION WORTH OF REVENUE THAT THEY LOST.
REVENUE THAT THEY LOST. >> SO BASICALLY THE LEGISLATURE
>> SO BASICALLY THE LEGISLATURE MADE UP FOR THE LOSSES.
MADE UP FOR THE LOSSES. SO YOU'RE COMING OUT RELATIVELY
SO YOU'RE COMING OUT RELATIVELY EVEN?
EVEN? >> CORRECT.
>> CORRECT. FOR OUR DISTRICT, YES, 1.8%.
FOR OUR DISTRICT, YES, 1.8%. >> NOW, MANY OF US THINK OF
>> NOW, MANY OF US THINK OF MARANA AT A FAST-GROWING
MARANA AT A FAST-GROWING DISTRICT AND YOU'D HAVE PROBLEMS
DISTRICT AND YOU'D HAVE PROBLEMS IN THAT AREA AS WELL.
IN THAT AREA AS WELL. YOU'RE TELLING US YOU'RE
YOU'RE TELLING US YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOSING STUDENTS?
ACTUALLY LOSING STUDENTS? >> YES.
>> YES. >> CAN YOU TELL US -- REALLY HOW
>> CAN YOU TELL US -- REALLY HOW MUCH THE LEGISLATURE ACTUALLY
MUCH THE LEGISLATURE ACTUALLY GAVE FOR JUST THE K-12 AREA?
GAVE FOR JUST THE K-12 AREA? >> YEAH, ROUGHLY -- AND I GAVE
>> YEAH, ROUGHLY -- AND I GAVE PRESENTATIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY
PRESENTATIONS TO OUR COMMUNITY LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS.
LAST YEAR ABOUT THIS. AND I RELATED IT TO -- IT WAS
AND I RELATED IT TO -- IT WAS THE PROPORTION OF THE PIE OR THE
THE PROPORTION OF THE PIE OR THE SIZE OF THE PIE THAT MATTERS.
SIZE OF THE PIE THAT MATTERS. AND THAT PIE BEING THE STATE
AND THAT PIE BEING THE STATE BUDGET.
BUDGET. AND PROPORTIONATELY, I THINK THE
AND PROPORTIONATELY, I THINK THE STATE OF ARIZONA GIVES ABOUT MID
STATE OF ARIZONA GIVES ABOUT MID 40s PERCENT TO K-12 EDUCATION.
40s PERCENT TO K-12 EDUCATION. AND WHEN YOU LOOK RELATIVELY,
AND WHEN YOU LOOK RELATIVELY, WHEN YOU LOOK RELATIVELY AT THE
WHEN YOU LOOK RELATIVELY AT THE PROPORTION THAT OTHER STATES ARE
PROPORTION THAT OTHER STATES ARE GIVING, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT THE
GIVING, THAT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME PERCENTAGE.
SAME PERCENTAGE. SO THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT
SO THEN YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT WHETHER IT'S THE SIZE OF THE PIE
WHETHER IT'S THE SIZE OF THE PIE THAT MATTERED.
THAT MATTERED. AND LIKE I SAID, BEING THE
AND LIKE I SAID, BEING THE STATE -- I THINK THAT MAY BE THE
STATE -- I THINK THAT MAY BE THE ISSUE.
ISSUE. THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN
THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH MONEY IN ARIZONA TO ADEQUATELY FUND
ARIZONA TO ADEQUATELY FUND SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY
SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING ELSE THEY FUND.
FUND. >> DAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR
>> DAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE TODAY.
BEING HERE TODAY. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> YOU'RE WELCOME.
>> YOU'RE WELCOME. >>> PIMA COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF
>>> PIMA COUNTY AND THE TOWN OF MARANA HAVE BEEN AT ODDS OVER
MARANA HAVE BEEN AT ODDS OVER THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT
THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT IN THE TOWN.
IN THE TOWN. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE TWO CAME
EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE TWO CAME TO A SETTLEMENT AND MARANA IS
TO A SETTLEMENT AND MARANA IS OPERATING THE PLANT NOW.
OPERATING THE PLANT NOW. I SAT DOWN WITH JOHN BERNAL TO
I SAT DOWN WITH JOHN BERNAL TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY'S
DISCUSS THE COUNTY'S PROSPECTIVE.
PROSPECTIVE. THEY START WITH A HISTORY OF THE
THEY START WITH A HISTORY OF THE CONTENTIOUS ISSUE.
CONTENTIOUS ISSUE. >> WHEN MARANA INCORPORATED WE
>> WHEN MARANA INCORPORATED WE WERE SERVING THEM WHEN THEY WERE
WERE SERVING THEM WHEN THEY WERE IN THE UNINCORPORATED PIMA
IN THE UNINCORPORATED PIMA COUNTY AREA.
COUNTY AREA. WE HAVE BEEN THE REGIONAL SEWER
WE HAVE BEEN THE REGIONAL SEWER SYSTEM PROVIDER FOR A LONG TIME.
SYSTEM PROVIDER FOR A LONG TIME. WHEN MARANA INCORPORATED, WE
WHEN MARANA INCORPORATED, WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH
ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH THEM THAT ALLOWED US TO CONTINUE
THEM THAT ALLOWED US TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SEWER SERVICE.
TO PROVIDE SEWER SERVICE. AND THAT SUSTAINED UNTIL ABOUT
AND THAT SUSTAINED UNTIL ABOUT 2007 WHEN MARANA FELT THAT THEY
2007 WHEN MARANA FELT THAT THEY WANTED TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER
WANTED TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS THEMSELVES, THEY WANTED
BUSINESS THEMSELVES, THEY WANTED TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM
TO OPERATE THE SYSTEM THEMSELVES.
THEMSELVES. SO THEY GAVE US NOTICE OF
SO THEY GAVE US NOTICE OF TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT
TERMINATION OF THE AGREEMENT WHICH WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE
WHICH WAS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UNDERSTANDINGS WE HAD AND THAT
UNDERSTANDINGS WE HAD AND THAT WAS FINE.
WAS FINE. BUT WHAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT
BUT WHAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY WAS READY TO ACCEPT
THE COUNTY WAS READY TO ACCEPT WAS MARANA WANTED US TO
WAS MARANA WANTED US TO ESSENTIALLY GIVE THEM THE
ESSENTIALLY GIVE THEM THE TREATMENT FACILITY WITHOUT COST.
TREATMENT FACILITY WITHOUT COST. WE SAID, NO, THAT'S PART OF OUR
WE SAID, NO, THAT'S PART OF OUR REGIONAL SYSTEM.
REGIONAL SYSTEM. IT WAS PAID FOR BY ALL THE
IT WAS PAID FOR BY ALL THE RATEPAYERS AND THEREFORE THERE
RATEPAYERS AND THEREFORE THERE HAS TO BE SOME COMPENSATION FOR
HAS TO BE SOME COMPENSATION FOR THAT FACILITY BUT THAT'S WHERE
THAT FACILITY BUT THAT'S WHERE REALLY THE DISPUTE STARTED WITH
REALLY THE DISPUTE STARTED WITH US WANTING TO GET SOME
US WANTING TO GET SOME COMPENSATION FOR THAT PLAN.
COMPENSATION FOR THAT PLAN. >> HOW WITH A LOT HAPPENED IN
>> HOW WITH A LOT HAPPENED IN THOSE ENSUING YEARS, THOSE FIVE
THOSE ENSUING YEARS, THOSE FIVE YEARS.
YEARS. THERE WERE LEGAL BATTLES, THE
THERE WERE LEGAL BATTLES, THE STATE LEGISLATURE GOT INVOLVED.
STATE LEGISLATURE GOT INVOLVED. BUT WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF THE
BUT WHAT ARE THE TERMS OF THE SETTLEMENTS NOW?
SETTLEMENTS NOW? >> WELL, THE SETTLEMENT
>> WELL, THE SETTLEMENT FUNDAMENTALLY DOES SAY THAT THE
FUNDAMENTALLY DOES SAY THAT THE TOWN MUST PAY US, MUST PAY US.
TOWN MUST PAY US, MUST PAY US. IT SAYS $18.2 MILLION FOR A
IT SAYS $18.2 MILLION FOR A FACILITY WE CONTEND REALLY WE
FACILITY WE CONTEND REALLY WE INVESTED OVER $27 MILLION IN.
INVESTED OVER $27 MILLION IN. BUT WE'RE SATISFIED TO GO
BUT WE'RE SATISFIED TO GO FORWARD WITH THAT $18.2 MILLION
FORWARD WITH THAT $18.2 MILLION COMPENSATION AMOUNT.
COMPENSATION AMOUNT. IT WILL GIVE THE TOWN COMPLETE
IT WILL GIVE THE TOWN COMPLETE RIGHTS TO AND OWNERSHIP OF THAT
RIGHTS TO AND OWNERSHIP OF THAT FACILITY AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A
FACILITY AND ACTUALLY THERE'S A SMALLER FACILITY AT RITO THAT
SMALLER FACILITY AT RITO THAT GOES ALONG WITH IT, A VERY SMALL
GOES ALONG WITH IT, A VERY SMALL FACILITY SERVING LIMITED
FACILITY SERVING LIMITED CUSTOMERS.
CUSTOMERS. BUT IT'S IN WHAT WE CONSIDER A
BUT IT'S IN WHAT WE CONSIDER A SERVICE AREA FOR MARANA.
SERVICE AREA FOR MARANA. THEY WILL HAVE BOTH THOSE
THEY WILL HAVE BOTH THOSE FACILITIES.
FACILITIES. WE IN TURN WILL AGREE TO SUPPORT
WE IN TURN WILL AGREE TO SUPPORT GIVING UP THE RIGHTS TO SERVE
GIVING UP THE RIGHTS TO SERVE THAT AREA BECAUSE TODAY WE ARE
THAT AREA BECAUSE TODAY WE ARE THAT DESIGNATED MANAGEMENT AREA
THAT DESIGNATED MANAGEMENT AREA AS WE'RE CALLED FOR THE ENTIRE
AS WE'RE CALLED FOR THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT SERVES THAT AREA AS
SYSTEM THAT SERVES THAT AREA AS WELL.
WELL. WE WILL RELINQUISH THAT RIGHT
WE WILL RELINQUISH THAT RIGHT AND THE TOWN WILL THEN BE ABLE
AND THE TOWN WILL THEN BE ABLE TO SERVE ONCE PERMITS ARE
TO SERVE ONCE PERMITS ARE CHOIRED FROM THE STATE, AND
CHOIRED FROM THE STATE, AND AGAIN, THOSE PERMITS ARE
AGAIN, THOSE PERMITS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE NAME OF PIMA
CURRENTLY IN THE NAME OF PIMA COUNTY.
COUNTY. WE WILL AGREE TO TRANSFER THOSE
WE WILL AGREE TO TRANSFER THOSE PERMITS TO THE TOWN OF MARANA.
PERMITS TO THE TOWN OF MARANA. >> WHAT ARE THE REAL GAINS FOR
>> WHAT ARE THE REAL GAINS FOR THE COUNTY?
THE COUNTY? DOES THE COUNTY COME OUT AHEAD
DOES THE COUNTY COME OUT AHEAD IN ANY WAY ON THIS AFTER ALL
IN ANY WAY ON THIS AFTER ALL THESE YEARS?
THESE YEARS? >> WELL, THE COUNTY TALES THAT
>> WELL, THE COUNTY TALES THAT THE TERMINATION OF ALL THIS
THE TERMINATION OF ALL THIS LITIGATION AND THAT KIND OF
LITIGATION AND THAT KIND OF EXPENSE IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST.
EXPENSE IS IN OUR BEST INTEREST. I THINK THE TOWN OF MARANA FEELS
I THINK THE TOWN OF MARANA FEELS THE SAME WAY.
THE SAME WAY. WE STILL BELIEVE THAT WE WERE
WE STILL BELIEVE THAT WE WERE PROVIDING GOOD SERVICE TO ALL
PROVIDING GOOD SERVICE TO ALL CUSTOMERS, STILL DO PROVIDE GOOD
CUSTOMERS, STILL DO PROVIDE GOOD SERVICE TO ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
SERVICE TO ALL OF OUR CUSTOMERS. WE WERE THERE WERE EFFICIENCIES
WE WERE THERE WERE EFFICIENCIES IN HAVING THE MARANA CUSTOMERS
IN HAVING THE MARANA CUSTOMERS AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM.
AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM. >> LET ME INTERRUPT A SECOND.
>> LET ME INTERRUPT A SECOND. TELL US HOW MANY CUSTOMERS DOES
TELL US HOW MANY CUSTOMERS DOES PIMA COUNTY SERVE, HOW MANY DOES
PIMA COUNTY SERVE, HOW MANY DOES MARANA SERVE SO WE DEFECT
MARANA SERVE SO WE DEFECT PERSPECTIVE ON THIS?
PERSPECTIVE ON THIS? >> IN OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM IN
>> IN OUR ENTIRE SYSTEM IN EXCESS OF 230,000 ACCOUNTS THAT
EXCESS OF 230,000 ACCOUNTS THAT WE SERVE.
WE SERVE. THE TOWN OF MARANA HAS
THE TOWN OF MARANA HAS APPROXIMATELY 2,100 RESIDENTS
APPROXIMATELY 2,100 RESIDENTS THAT WE UNDERSTAND WILL BE
THAT WE UNDERSTAND WILL BE SERVED BY THIS FACILITY.
SERVED BY THIS FACILITY. SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL
SO IT'S A RELATIVELY SMALL PROPORTION, BUT AGAIN, WE
PROPORTION, BUT AGAIN, WE BELIEVE THERE'S ECONOMIES OF
BELIEVE THERE'S ECONOMIES OF SCALE IN THE WAY WE'VE DEVELOPED
SCALE IN THE WAY WE'VE DEVELOPED OUR SYSTEM.
OUR SYSTEM. WE HAVE SOME FAIRLY LARGE
WE HAVE SOME FAIRLY LARGE FACILITIES IN OUR SYSTEM.
FACILITIES IN OUR SYSTEM. THE MARANA PLANT TODAY HAS A
THE MARANA PLANT TODAY HAS A CAPACITY OF ABOUT 700,000
CAPACITY OF ABOUT 700,000 GALLONS.
GALLONS. IT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED TO KEEP
IT NEEDS TO BE EXPANDED TO KEEP UP WITH GROWTH PROJECTIONS.
UP WITH GROWTH PROJECTIONS. TO GIVE YOU RELATIVE SCALE, WE
TO GIVE YOU RELATIVE SCALE, WE HAVE TWO LARGE FACILITIES AT
HAVE TWO LARGE FACILITIES AT ROGER ROAD AND INA ROAD, INA HAS
ROGER ROAD AND INA ROAD, INA HAS A 50 MILLION GALLON PER DAY
A 50 MILLION GALLON PER DAY CAPACITY, ROGER ROAD 250 MILLION
CAPACITY, ROGER ROAD 250 MILLION GAL LONS PER DAY ONCE WE'RE
GAL LONS PER DAY ONCE WE'RE FINISHED WITH THE UPGRADE.
FINISHED WITH THE UPGRADE. MOST OF OUR FACILITIES AROUND
MOST OF OUR FACILITIES AROUND THE COUNTY ARE OVER 1 MILLION
THE COUNTY ARE OVER 1 MILLION GALLONS IN CAPACITY.
GALLONS IN CAPACITY. >> MARANA FOUGHT LONG AND HARD
>> MARANA FOUGHT LONG AND HARD OVER THIS.
OVER THIS. IN YOUR PERCEPTION WHAT IS IT
IN YOUR PERCEPTION WHAT IS IT THEY WANTED TO GAIN?
THEY WANTED TO GAIN? WHY WAS THIS SUCH A BIG ISSUE
WHY WAS THIS SUCH A BIG ISSUE FOR MARANA?
FOR MARANA? >> ONE OF MARANA'S REALLY
>> ONE OF MARANA'S REALLY PRIMARY REASONS AS WE UNDERSTAND
PRIMARY REASONS AS WE UNDERSTAND IT IS THAT THEY FEEL TO SUSTAIN
IT IS THAT THEY FEEL TO SUSTAIN THEIR GROWTH AND TO MEET THE
THEIR GROWTH AND TO MEET THE GOALS THAT THEY'VE SET FOR
GOALS THAT THEY'VE SET FOR THEMSELVES, THEY MUST HAVE
THEMSELVES, THEY MUST HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THEIR
COMPLETE CONTROL OVER THEIR WATER RESOURCES.
WATER RESOURCES. THOUGH THE ONE REAL BENEFIT THAT
THOUGH THE ONE REAL BENEFIT THAT WASTE WATER TREATMENT OPERATORS
WASTE WATER TREATMENT OPERATORS GET IS THEY HAVE SOME RIGHTS TO
GET IS THEY HAVE SOME RIGHTS TO THE EFFLUENT.
THE EFFLUENT. TREATED WATER COMES IN,
TREATED WATER COMES IN, UNTREATED WATER GOES OUT.
UNTREATED WATER GOES OUT. THERE'S BENEFIT TO BE GAINED
THERE'S BENEFIT TO BE GAINED FROM WATER RESOURCES PLANNING
FROM WATER RESOURCES PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT.
AND MANAGEMENT. THE TOWN FEELS THAT THEY NEED
THE TOWN FEELS THAT THEY NEED ALL OF THE EFFLUENT THAT COMES
ALL OF THE EFFLUENT THAT COMES INTO THIS PLANT TO MEET WATER
INTO THIS PLANT TO MEET WATER RESOURCE NEEDS.
RESOURCE NEEDS. THEY ALSO FEEL THEY WILL HAVE
THEY ALSO FEEL THEY WILL HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER HOW GROWTH
ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER HOW GROWTH OCCURS, BECAUSE THE COUNTY AS
OCCURS, BECAUSE THE COUNTY AS THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT
THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT OPERATOR MUST APPROVE EVERY
OPERATOR MUST APPROVE EVERY DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S A
DEVELOPMENT, WHETHER IT'S A RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS THAT COMES
RESIDENCE OR BUSINESS THAT COMES INTO OUR SYSTEM.
INTO OUR SYSTEM. THE TOWN FEELS THAT THIS WILL
THE TOWN FEELS THAT THIS WILL GIVE THEM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER
GIVE THEM ABSOLUTE CONTROL OVER GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT.
>>> ATTORNEY GENERAL ERIC HOLDER ANNOUNCED SWEEPING CHANGES TO
ANNOUNCED SWEEPING CHANGES TO THE WAY THE FEDERAL JUSTICE
THE WAY THE FEDERAL JUSTICE SYSTEM HANDLES LOW-LEVEL DRUG
SYSTEM HANDLES LOW-LEVEL DRUG OFFENDERS.
OFFENDERS. >> HOLDER SAID HIS AIM IS TO
>> HOLDER SAID HIS AIM IS TO PUNISH, DETER, AND REHABILITATE.
PUNISH, DETER, AND REHABILITATE. NOT TO CONVICT, WAREHOUSE, AND
NOT TO CONVICT, WAREHOUSE, AND FORGET.
FORGET. WE TALK TO A SUPPORTER AND A
WE TALK TO A SUPPORTER AND A CRITIC OF THE MOVE.
CRITIC OF THE MOVE. >>> THEN, RUSSIA'S RECENT BAN ON
>>> THEN, RUSSIA'S RECENT BAN ON EXPRESSING HOMOSEXUALITY HAS
EXPRESSING HOMOSEXUALITY HAS PROVOKED GROWING BACKLASH
PROVOKED GROWING BACKLASH ABROAD.
ABROAD. WE EXAMINE THE CONTINUING
WE EXAMINE THE CONTINUING CONTROVERSY.
CONTROVERSY. >>> ITS EYE-CATCHING DESIGN
>>> ITS EYE-CATCHING DESIGN SHOULD WITHSTAND A MAJOR
SHOULD WITHSTAND A MAJOR EARTHQUAKE.
EARTHQUAKE. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN BIG CONCERNS
BUT THERE HAVE BEEN BIG CONCERNS OVER THE BOLT HOLDING IT
OVER THE BOLT HOLDING IT TOGETHER.
TOGETHER. SPENCER MICHAELS REPORTS ON THE
SPENCER MICHAELS REPORTS ON THE TROUBLES PLAGUING SAN
TROUBLES PLAGUING SAN FRANCISCO'S NEW BAY BRIDGE.
FRANCISCO'S NEW BAY BRIDGE. >>> IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST
>>> IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE
INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS IN THE NATION.
NATION. BUT JUST WHEN IT OPENS TO
BUT JUST WHEN IT OPENS TO TRAFFIC STILL ISN'T CLEAR.
TRAFFIC STILL ISN'T CLEAR. >>> BOSTON MOB BOSS *** BULGY
>>> BOSTON MOB BOSS *** BULGY FOUND GUILTY OF A STRING OF 11
FOUND GUILTY OF A STRING OF 11 MURDERS AND RACKETEERING.
MURDERS AND RACKETEERING. HOW THE JURY REACHED ITS
HOW THE JURY REACHED ITS VERDICT.
VERDICT. >>> AND IN OUR CONTINUING LOOK
>>> AND IN OUR CONTINUING LOOK AT SURVEILLANCE AND PRIVACY IN
AT SURVEILLANCE AND PRIVACY IN AMERICA.
AMERICA. TONIGHT WE EXPLORE HOW LAW
TONIGHT WE EXPLORE HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT KEEPS TABS ON OUR
ENFORCEMENT KEEPS TABS ON OUR MOVEMENTS BY PHOTOGRAPHING OUR
MOVEMENTS BY PHOTOGRAPHING OUR LICENSE PLATES.
LICENSE PLATES. >> IT'S A PRIVACY ISSUE.
>> IT'S A PRIVACY ISSUE. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU DON'T GET THE AMOUNT OF LAW
YOU DON'T GET THE AMOUNT OF LAW ENFORCEMENT YOU CAN AFFORD, YOU
ENFORCEMENT YOU CAN AFFORD, YOU GET THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN
GET THE AMOUNT THAT YOU CAN TOLERATE.
TOLERATE. NONE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES COME
NONE OF THESE TECHNOLOGIES COME WITHOUT TRADEOFFS.
WITHOUT TRADEOFFS. >> THAT'S ALL AHEAD ON TONIGHT'S
>> THAT'S ALL AHEAD ON TONIGHT'S "NEWSHOUR."
"NEWSHOUR." >>> MEMBERS OF THE BAND THE
>>> MEMBERS OF THE BAND THE WHITE MEN DINGOS, THEY KNOW WHAT
WHITE MEN DINGOS, THEY KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE.
IT'S LIKE. >> WHEN YOU GO TO SINGLE THINGS,
>> WHEN YOU GO TO SINGLE THINGS, YOU'RE THE ONLY BLACK PERSON
YOU'RE THE ONLY BLACK PERSON THERE.
THERE. >> ONLILIES TODAY AREN'T ALONE.
>> ONLILIES TODAY AREN'T ALONE. >> THEY CAN CONNECT IN WAYS THEY
>> THEY CAN CONNECT IN WAYS THEY DIDN'T CONNECT PREINTERNET.
DIDN'T CONNECT PREINTERNET. >> THEIR RESOURCES ARE VAST.
>> THEIR RESOURCES ARE VAST. >> THE NEXT MORNING EDITION FROM
>> THE NEXT MORNING EDITION FROM NPR NEWS.
NPR NEWS. FOR THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE ON THE
FOR THE OTHER PERSPECTIVE ON THE WASTE WATER TREATMENT SETTLEMENT
WASTE WATER TREATMENT SETTLEMENT BETWEEN MARANA AND PIMA COUNTY,
BETWEEN MARANA AND PIMA COUNTY, ANDREA KELLY INTERVIEWED MARANA
ANDREA KELLY INTERVIEWED MARANA TOWN MANAGER GILBERT DAVIDSON.
TOWN MANAGER GILBERT DAVIDSON. >> LONG BEFORE MARANA EVER GOT
>> LONG BEFORE MARANA EVER GOT TO THIS POINT WITH REACHING A
TO THIS POINT WITH REACHING A SETTLEMENT WE HAD DONE QUITE A
SETTLEMENT WE HAD DONE QUITE A BIT OF RESEARCH AROUND THE STATE
BIT OF RESEARCH AROUND THE STATE WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES.
WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES. FAST-GROWING COMMUNITIES ON HOW
FAST-GROWING COMMUNITIES ON HOW THEY'RE MANAGING WATER
THEY'RE MANAGING WATER RESOURCES.
RESOURCES. WE TOOK SEVERAL YEARS OF
WE TOOK SEVERAL YEARS OF THINKING THROUGH THIS ISSUE,
THINKING THROUGH THIS ISSUE, TALKING WITH OTHER LEADERS
TALKING WITH OTHER LEADERS AROUND THE STATE.
AROUND THE STATE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALWAYS KEPT COMING BACK TO THE
KEPT COMING BACK TO THE FOREFRONT WAS WHAT ARE YOU DOING
FOREFRONT WAS WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH YOUR WASTE WATER RESOURCES?
WITH YOUR WASTE WATER RESOURCES? SO WE BEGAN TO EXPLORE HOW WE
SO WE BEGAN TO EXPLORE HOW WE COULD WORK WITH PIMA COUNTY IN
COULD WORK WITH PIMA COUNTY IN TERMS OF FULLY UTILIZING OUR
TERMS OF FULLY UTILIZING OUR WATER RESOURCES.
WATER RESOURCES. AND THROUGH THAT, WE HAD
AND THROUGH THAT, WE HAD IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAD AN
IDENTIFIED THAT WE HAD AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT
INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENT THAT WE HAD SIGNED WITH PIMA COUNTY
WE HAD SIGNED WITH PIMA COUNTY IN 1979 THAT ALLOWED US TO GIVE
IN 1979 THAT ALLOWED US TO GIVE NOTICE TO THE COUNTY TO TAKE
NOTICE TO THE COUNTY TO TAKE BACK OUR PORTION OF THE WASTE
BACK OUR PORTION OF THE WASTE WATER SYSTEMS THAT WE COULD
WATER SYSTEMS THAT WE COULD FULLY UTILIZE.
FULLY UTILIZE. AGAIN, THIS IS ALL DRIVING AT
AGAIN, THIS IS ALL DRIVING AT WATER RESOURCES.
WATER RESOURCES. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT IS
SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH IT IS TAKE THE WATER THAT GOES THROUGH
TAKE THE WATER THAT GOES THROUGH THE TREATMENT SYSTEM, CLEAN IT
THE TREATMENT SYSTEM, CLEAN IT TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL, AND THEN
TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL, AND THEN BE ABLE TO EITHER RECHARGE IT
BE ABLE TO EITHER RECHARGE IT BACK INTO THE AQUIFER WHICH IS
BACK INTO THE AQUIFER WHICH IS FOOD TO REPLENISH THE WATER
FOOD TO REPLENISH THE WATER BENEATH IT.
BENEATH IT. IT ALSO HELPS TO SAVE COSTS AND
IT ALSO HELPS TO SAVE COSTS AND US NOT HAVING TO GO OUT ONTO THE
US NOT HAVING TO GO OUT ONTO THE OPEN WATER MARKET AND TRYING TO
OPEN WATER MARKET AND TRYING TO BUY ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES.
BUY ADDITIONAL WATER RESOURCES. USE IT IN OPEN SPACE AREAS SO WE
USE IT IN OPEN SPACE AREAS SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH
DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH GROUNDWATER PUMPING.
GROUNDWATER PUMPING. SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY DRIVER.
SO THAT WAS THE PRIMARY DRIVER. COUPLED WITH IT IS US BEING ABLE
COUPLED WITH IT IS US BEING ABLE TO MANAGE OUR DEVELOPMENT
TO MANAGE OUR DEVELOPMENT SERVICES PROCESS.
SERVICES PROCESS. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PROVIDE A ONE-STOP SHOP
PROVIDE A ONE-STOP SHOP ENVIRONMENT FOR ANY CUSTOMER,
ENVIRONMENT FOR ANY CUSTOMER, WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR
WHETHER IT'S COMMERCIAL OR RESIDENTIAL, BEING ABLE TO COME
RESIDENTIAL, BEING ABLE TO COME IN AND BUY, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR
IN AND BUY, YOU KNOW, GET THEIR PERMITS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO
PERMITS WITHOUT HAVING TO GO TO MULTIPLE GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES,
MULTIPLE GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES, IDENTITIES, AND SO WE'VE TRIED
IDENTITIES, AND SO WE'VE TRIED TO THINK OF HOW DO WE IMPROVE
TO THINK OF HOW DO WE IMPROVE OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS,
OUR OVERALL DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, EXPEDITE GROWTH, AND DECREASE
EXPEDITE GROWTH, AND DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEONE HAS
THE AMOUNT OF TIME SOMEONE HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING
TO GO THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
PROCESS. SO THOSE TWO THINGS.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS. WATER AND MANAGING OUR GROWTH
WATER AND MANAGING OUR GROWTH ARE THE TWO DRIVING REASONS FOR
ARE THE TWO DRIVING REASONS FOR WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS.
WHY WE WANTED TO DO THIS. >> THE SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE
>> THE SETTLEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WAS THAT THE
TOWN AND THE COUNTY WAS THAT THE COUNTY WOULD SELL THE TOWN A
COUNTY WOULD SELL THE TOWN A COUPLE OF WASTE WATER TREATMENT
COUPLE OF WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANTS IN MARANA'S TOWN LIMITS
PLANTS IN MARANA'S TOWN LIMITS FOR $18.2 MILLION.
FOR $18.2 MILLION. WHAT IS THE TOWN'S REACTION TO
WHAT IS THE TOWN'S REACTION TO THAT NUMBER?
THAT NUMBER? YOU WERE TRYING TO GET IT LOWER,
YOU WERE TRYING TO GET IT LOWER, CORRECT?
CORRECT? >> YEAH, IT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS
>> YEAH, IT TOOK SEVERAL YEARS TO GET TO THAT POINT.
TO GET TO THAT POINT. WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW -- HAD
WE'VE BEEN, YOU KNOW -- HAD NUMEROUS DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS
NUMEROUS DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS ABOUT WHAT THAT
OVER THE YEARS ABOUT WHAT THAT NUMBER WOULD BE, WHAT'S ALL
NUMBER WOULD BE, WHAT'S ALL INCLUDED IN THAT.
INCLUDED IN THAT. ULTIMATELY WITH THIS SETTLEMENT,
ULTIMATELY WITH THIS SETTLEMENT, IT'S ONE PLANT.
IT'S ONE PLANT. THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SMALL
THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL SMALL SYSTEM THAT WAS ADDED TO IT TO
SYSTEM THAT WAS ADDED TO IT TO REALLY HELP RESIDENTS IN THE
REALLY HELP RESIDENTS IN THE RETAIL AREA.
RETAIL AREA. PRIMARILY IT WAS DRIVING AT THE
PRIMARILY IT WAS DRIVING AT THE ONE PLANT UP IN NORTH MARANA.
ONE PLANT UP IN NORTH MARANA. THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING
THIS DOESN'T AFFECT ANYTHING WITH IANA ROAD OR ROGER ROAD.
WITH IANA ROAD OR ROGER ROAD. AND THAT'S THE PLANT THAT IS
AND THAT'S THE PLANT THAT IS INCLUDED AS PART OF THE $18.2
INCLUDED AS PART OF THE $18.2 MILLION.
MILLION. AND THAT NUMBER IS DRIVEN BASED
AND THAT NUMBER IS DRIVEN BASED ON THE REMAINING DEBT THAT THE
ON THE REMAINING DEBT THAT THE COUNTY HAS TO PAY OFF ANY OF THE
COUNTY HAS TO PAY OFF ANY OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE
IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE ON THAT FACILITY OVER THE PAST
ON THAT FACILITY OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
NUMBER OF YEARS. >> NOW, THE TOWN ULTIMATELY
>> NOW, THE TOWN ULTIMATELY HAS -- ULTIMATELY WENT TO VOTERS
HAS -- ULTIMATELY WENT TO VOTERS THIS YEAR AND ASKED THEM IF THEY
THIS YEAR AND ASKED THEM IF THEY WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE THIS WASTE
WOULD LIKE TO OPERATE THIS WASTE WATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WATER TREATMENT PLANT. THAT'S THE END OF A LONG-RUNNING
THAT'S THE END OF A LONG-RUNNING DISCUSSION WHETHER MARANA SHOULD
DISCUSSION WHETHER MARANA SHOULD BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS
BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. >> YEAH, AND LIKE ALL THESE
>> YEAH, AND LIKE ALL THESE ISSUES, THERE'S -- IT DATES BACK
ISSUES, THERE'S -- IT DATES BACK MANY YEARS.
MANY YEARS. MARANA VOTERS HAD AUTHORIZED THE
MARANA VOTERS HAD AUTHORIZED THE TOWN TO GET INTO THE WASTE WATER
TOWN TO GET INTO THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS IN 1988.
BUSINESS IN 1988. THAT WAS THE FIRST ELECTION THAT
THAT WAS THE FIRST ELECTION THAT WAS HELD.
WAS HELD. THROUGH THE CORE PROCESS, THAT
THROUGH THE CORE PROCESS, THAT WAS INTRODUCED AS PART OF
WAS INTRODUCED AS PART OF EVIDENCE OF MARANA'S AUTHORITY
EVIDENCE OF MARANA'S AUTHORITY TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER
TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS.
BUSINESS. IN THE FIRST, THE TRIAL COURT
IN THE FIRST, THE TRIAL COURT HAD AGREED THAT THAT ORIGINAL
HAD AGREED THAT THAT ORIGINAL 1988 ELECTION WAS VALID.
1988 ELECTION WAS VALID. WHEN IT WAS APPEALED TO THE
WHEN IT WAS APPEALED TO THE COURT OF APPEALS, THE JUDGES
COURT OF APPEALS, THE JUDGES THEN LOOKED AT IT AND SAID,
THEN LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, WELL, WE THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE
WELL, WE THINK THAT THE LANGUAGE IS A LITTLE BIT TOO BROAD.
IS A LITTLE BIT TOO BROAD. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR
IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR WHAT MARANA'S TRYING TO DO IN
WHAT MARANA'S TRYING TO DO IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.
THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. SO WE, TO COVER ALL OF OUR BASES
SO WE, TO COVER ALL OF OUR BASES AND MAKE SURE THAT THE VOTERS
AND MAKE SURE THAT THE VOTERS HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE ON THIS
HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE ON THIS DRIVING ISSUE, THIS IMPORTANT
DRIVING ISSUE, THIS IMPORTANT ISSUE, WE DECIDED TO GO BACK AND
ISSUE, WE DECIDED TO GO BACK AND GET VOTER AUTHORIZATION AND OUR
GET VOTER AUTHORIZATION AND OUR VOTERS APPROVED IT, ALMOST 75%
VOTERS APPROVED IT, ALMOST 75% APPROVAL RATING TO HAVE THE
APPROVAL RATING TO HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO BE IN THE WASTE
AUTHORITY TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS.
WATER BUSINESS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE
AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE ISSUE WAS WITH THAT.
WAS WITH THAT. IT WASN'T TO BUY -- IT WASN'T
IT WASN'T TO BUY -- IT WASN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THE
NECESSARILY PART OF THE SETTLEMENT.
SETTLEMENT. IT WAS OUR REAUTHORITY TO BE IN
IT WAS OUR REAUTHORITY TO BE IN THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS.
THE WASTE WATER BUSINESS. >> WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS?
>> WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS? YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE
YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THE TOWN GETS FROM THIS, A LITTLE
TOWN GETS FROM THIS, A LITTLE MORE CONTROL OVER SOME OF THE
MORE CONTROL OVER SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND WATER USE
DEVELOPMENT AND WATER USE DECISIONS.
DECISIONS. WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT ARE THE
WHAT HAPPENS, WHAT ARE THE IMPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO
IMPLICATIONS FOR PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE TOWN OF MARANA
DON'T LIVE IN THE TOWN OF MARANA WHO ARE WASTE WATER CUSTOMERS
WHO ARE WASTE WATER CUSTOMERS NOW?
NOW? >> WELL, THERE'S OTHER
>> WELL, THERE'S OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN
COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM, AND ACTUALLY LET ME
SYSTEM, AND ACTUALLY LET ME START AT THE STATE LEVEL.
START AT THE STATE LEVEL. THROUGHOUT THE STATE, CITIES AND
THROUGHOUT THE STATE, CITIES AND TOWNS OPERATE THEIR OWN WASTE
TOWNS OPERATE THEIR OWN WASTE WATER SYSTEMS.
WATER SYSTEMS. PEOPLE MAY COUNTY, THIS IS THE
PEOPLE MAY COUNTY, THIS IS THE ONLY COUNTY BY LAW THAT'S
ONLY COUNTY BY LAW THAT'S AUTHORIZED TO OPERATE ITS OWN
AUTHORIZED TO OPERATE ITS OWN SYSTEM.
SYSTEM. CER
CER CERETA IS OPERATING A SEPARATE,
CERETA IS OPERATING A SEPARATE, INDEPENDENT SYSTEM.
INDEPENDENT SYSTEM. AND I THINK WITH MARANA, WE WANT
AND I THINK WITH MARANA, WE WANT TO HELP FACILITY WELL-PLANNED,
TO HELP FACILITY WELL-PLANNED, WELL-MANAGED GROWTH.
WELL-MANAGED GROWTH. I THINK IF MARANA DOES THIS WELL
I THINK IF MARANA DOES THIS WELL THE REGION BENEFITS.
THE REGION BENEFITS. WHEN MARANA IS SUCCESSFUL, WHEN
WHEN MARANA IS SUCCESSFUL, WHEN ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL
ANY OF THE INDIVIDUAL JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING GOOD
JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING GOOD THINGS AND GENERATING JOBS AND
THINGS AND GENERATING JOBS AND PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO THE
PEOPLE ARE MOVING INTO THE RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES, I THINK
RESPECTIVE COMMUNITIES, I THINK IT BENEFITS THE ENTIRE REGION
IT BENEFITS THE ENTIRE REGION AND BENEFITS THE COUNTY.
AND BENEFITS THE COUNTY. >> WE'VE GOT A MINUTE LEFT.
>> WE'VE GOT A MINUTE LEFT. I'M WONDERING WHAT THE PROCESS
I'M WONDERING WHAT THE PROCESS IS NOW.
IS NOW. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY IS
IT SOUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY IS OPERATING THE PLANTS.
OPERATING THE PLANTS. WHEN WILL YOU TAKE IT OVER?
WHEN WILL YOU TAKE IT OVER? >> WE TOOK IT ALMOST A YEAR AND
>> WE TOOK IT ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
A HALF AGO. WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THE PLANT.
WE'VE BEEN OPERATING THE PLANT. THAT WAS ALL CONNECTED TO BILL
THAT WAS ALL CONNECTED TO BILL THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAD PUT
THAT THE LEGISLATURE HAD PUT THROUGH TO THE GOVERNOR AND WAS
THROUGH TO THE GOVERNOR AND WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR AND
APPROVED BY THE GOVERNOR AND ALLOWED US TO TAKE OVER OUR
ALLOWED US TO TAKE OVER OUR WASTE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM.
WASTE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM. LAST YEAR, LAST JANUARY, WE TOOK
LAST YEAR, LAST JANUARY, WE TOOK OVER THAT ACTUAL SYSTEM.
OVER THAT ACTUAL SYSTEM. THE SETTLEMENT BRINGS CLOSURE TO
THE SETTLEMENT BRINGS CLOSURE TO THE WHOLE THING.
THE WHOLE THING. IT BRINGS -- FINALIZES ANY OF
IT BRINGS -- FINALIZES ANY OF THE OUTSTANDING LAWSUITS AND
THE OUTSTANDING LAWSUITS AND IT'S ABLE TO FINALIZE THE WHOLE
IT'S ABLE TO FINALIZE THE WHOLE THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THE
THING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS.
PAST NUMBER OF YEARS. >> ARE YOU THINKING SOME STATE
>> ARE YOU THINKING SOME STATE PERMITS?
PERMITS? >> THAT'S PART OF THE SETTLEMENT
>> THAT'S PART OF THE SETTLEMENT PROCESS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH
PROCESS AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF
THE ARIZONA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ON THAT.
ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY ON THAT. >>> A GROUP THAT CALLS ITSELF NO
>>> A GROUP THAT CALLS ITSELF NO LABELS IS TRYING TO TAKE THE
LABELS IS TRYING TO TAKE THE PARTISANSHIP OUT OF POLITICS.
PARTISANSHIP OUT OF POLITICS. THERE'S A NATIONAL GROUP WITH
THERE'S A NATIONAL GROUP WITH THIS EMPHASIS BUT LOCAL CHAPTERS
THIS EMPHASIS BUT LOCAL CHAPTERS HAVE FORMED IN MANY CITIES.
HAVE FORMED IN MANY CITIES. AS ANDREA KELLY REPORTS, MEMBERS
AS ANDREA KELLY REPORTS, MEMBERS SAY THEY WANTED TO GET PEOPLE
SAY THEY WANTED TO GET PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES.
TALKING ABOUT POLITICAL ISSUES. THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE
THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE PARTISANSHIP AND OPPOSITION THAT
PARTISANSHIP AND OPPOSITION THAT TYPICALLY FRAMES SUCH
TYPICALLY FRAMES SUCH DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE OF PARTY
DISCUSSIONS BECAUSE OF PARTY LABELS.
LABELS. >> I'VE BEEN WITH NO LABELS FOR
>> I'VE BEEN WITH NO LABELS FOR THE TWO YEARS THAT IT STARTED.
THE TWO YEARS THAT IT STARTED. I BECAME INVOLVED FROM A
I BECAME INVOLVED FROM A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT WAS IN
NEWSPAPER ARTICLE THAT WAS IN THE PAPER.
THE PAPER. SEVERAL YEARS AGO, INTERVIEWING
SEVERAL YEARS AGO, INTERVIEWING GLEN DAVIS.
GLEN DAVIS. SHE WAS THE ORIGINAL PIONEER OF
SHE WAS THE ORIGINAL PIONEER OF NO LABELS IN THE TUCSON.
NO LABELS IN THE TUCSON. AND AS I READ ABOUT IT I
AND AS I READ ABOUT IT I THOUGHT, YEAH, THAT'S A GROUP
THOUGHT, YEAH, THAT'S A GROUP THAT I REALLY WANT TO BE A PART
THAT I REALLY WANT TO BE A PART OF.
OF. BECAUSE OF THEIR TRYING TO GET
BECAUSE OF THEIR TRYING TO GET GOVERNMENT TO WORK MORE
GOVERNMENT TO WORK MORE EFFECTIVELY FOR ALL ALL OF.
EFFECTIVELY FOR ALL ALL OF. >> ORGANIZERS OF TUCSON'S NO
>> ORGANIZERS OF TUCSON'S NO LABELS GROUP HADN'T HELD A
LABELS GROUP HADN'T HELD A MEETING IN ABOUT A YEAR AND
MEETING IN ABOUT A YEAR AND DOROTHY RILEY IS TRYING TO
DOROTHY RILEY IS TRYING TO ACTIVATE THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO
ACTIVATE THE GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY WANT TO TAKE SOME OF
SAY THEY WANT TO TAKE SOME OF THE PARTISANSHIP OUT OF
THE PARTISANSHIP OUT OF POLITICS.
POLITICS. JOHN RAGSDALE IS ALSO A MEMBER.
JOHN RAGSDALE IS ALSO A MEMBER. >> IT'S AN ORGANIZATION,
>> IT'S AN ORGANIZATION, GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION WHOSE
GRASSROOTS ORGANIZATION WHOSE PURPOSE IS TO GET AWAY FROM THE
PURPOSE IS TO GET AWAY FROM THE BOUNDARIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED
BOUNDARIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED BY USING A LABEL SUCH AS BEING A
BY USING A LABEL SUCH AS BEING A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT OR
REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT OR INDEPENDENT.
INDEPENDENT. AND BRING TOGETHER WITH SOME
AND BRING TOGETHER WITH SOME COMMON CAUSES TO MAKE THE
COMMON CAUSES TO MAKE THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION MORE
GOVERNMENT FUNCTION MORE EFFECTIVELY THAN IT CURRENTLY
EFFECTIVELY THAN IT CURRENTLY IS.
IS. >> DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS,
>> DEMOCRATS, REPUBLICANS, INDEPENDENTS, LIBERTARIANS,
INDEPENDENTS, LIBERTARIANS, UNAFFILIATED, CAN GET TOGETHER
UNAFFILIATED, CAN GET TOGETHER AND WORK ON SIMILAR ISSUES EVEN
AND WORK ON SIMILAR ISSUES EVEN THOUGH SOME OF OUR POLITICS
THOUGH SOME OF OUR POLITICS MIGHT BE DIFFERENT.
MIGHT BE DIFFERENT. SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN SET AN
SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN SET AN EXAMPLE FOR OUR CONGRESS AND
EXAMPLE FOR OUR CONGRESS AND THEM THAT IT CAN BE DONE.
THEM THAT IT CAN BE DONE. ONE REALLY CAN WORK ON IT.
ONE REALLY CAN WORK ON IT. >> THE MEETING ATTENDANCE IS
>> THE MEETING ATTENDANCE IS SPARSE AND INCREASING IT IS ONE
SPARSE AND INCREASING IT IS ONE OF RILEY'S GOALS.
OF RILEY'S GOALS. HOWEVER, THE GROUP'S SIZE ISN'T
HOWEVER, THE GROUP'S SIZE ISN'T GOING TO PREVENT HER FROM
GOING TO PREVENT HER FROM WORKING ON CHANGING POLITICS.
WORKING ON CHANGING POLITICS. >> THE FIRST SLIDE THAT I PUT
>> THE FIRST SLIDE THAT I PUT THERE IS A QUOTATION FROM
THERE IS A QUOTATION FROM MARGARET MEAD, ANTHROPOLOGIST.
MARGARET MEAD, ANTHROPOLOGIST. NEVER DOUBT THAT A SMALL GROUP
NEVER DOUBT THAT A SMALL GROUP OF THOUGHTFUL, COMMITTED
OF THOUGHTFUL, COMMITTED CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD,
CITIZENS CAN CHANGE THE WORLD, INDEED, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT
INDEED, IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAS.
HAS. >> NO LABELS IS A NATIONAL
>> NO LABELS IS A NATIONAL ORGANIZATION WITH CHAPTERS IN
ORGANIZATION WITH CHAPTERS IN ALL 50 STATES.
ALL 50 STATES. RILEY SAYS THERE ARE ABOUT
RILEY SAYS THERE ARE ABOUT 300,000 NATIONAL MEMBERS.
300,000 NATIONAL MEMBERS. AND 3,300 MEMBERS IN ARIZONA.
AND 3,300 MEMBERS IN ARIZONA. THOUGH SHE THINKS MOST OF THOSE
THOUGH SHE THINKS MOST OF THOSE ARE WHAT'S CALLED DIGITAL
ARE WHAT'S CALLED DIGITAL MEMBERS, PEOPLE WHO JOIN ONLINE
MEMBERS, PEOPLE WHO JOIN ONLINE AND SIGN PETITIONS BUT AREN'T
AND SIGN PETITIONS BUT AREN'T ATTENDING MEETINGS.
ATTENDING MEETINGS. >> THE NAME NO LABELS HAS
>> THE NAME NO LABELS HAS SYMBOLISM THAT WE DON'T WANT TO
SYMBOLISM THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE LABELS.
USE LABELS. ONCE YOU ATTACH A LABEL TO
ONCE YOU ATTACH A LABEL TO SOMEBODY, IT CAN CONJURE UP A
SOMEBODY, IT CAN CONJURE UP A LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEA.
LOT OF DIFFERENT IDEA. MY DAUGHTER IS A TEACHER.
MY DAUGHTER IS A TEACHER. I TAUGHT ALSO.
I TAUGHT ALSO. SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THINGS ABOUT
SOMETIMES YOU HEAR THINGS ABOUT STUDENTS THAT CAN BIAS YOU AND
STUDENTS THAT CAN BIAS YOU AND PREJUDICE YOU.
PREJUDICE YOU. SAME THING IF YOU HEAR
SAME THING IF YOU HEAR CONSERVATIVE, PROGRESSIVE,
CONSERVATIVE, PROGRESSIVE, LIBERAL.
LIBERAL. YOU KNOW, DEMOCRAT.
YOU KNOW, DEMOCRAT. THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT
THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT CONJURE UP IN YOUR MIND ABOUT
CONJURE UP IN YOUR MIND ABOUT THIS INDIVIDUAL BEFORE EVEN
THIS INDIVIDUAL BEFORE EVEN ACTUALLY LESS ANYTHING TO THEM.
ACTUALLY LESS ANYTHING TO THEM. AND THAT CREATES BARRIERS.
AND THAT CREATES BARRIERS. AND I THINK WE SEE A LOT OF
AND I THINK WE SEE A LOT OF THOSE BARRIERS.
THOSE BARRIERS. >> ONE WAY NO LABELS IS HOPING
>> ONE WAY NO LABELS IS HOPING TO CUT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE
TO CUT THROUGH SOME OF THOSE BARRIERS IS GETTING MEMBERS OF
BARRIERS IS GETTING MEMBERS OF CONGRESS TO AGREE TO MEET
CONGRESS TO AGREE TO MEET REGULARLY WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER
REGULARLY WITH PEOPLE FROM OTHER PARTIES.
PARTIES. THERE ARE 53 REPRESENTATIVES AND
THERE ARE 53 REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS WHO HAVE AGREED TO THAT
SENATORS WHO HAVE AGREED TO THAT GOAL BUT NONE FROM ARIZONA.
GOAL BUT NONE FROM ARIZONA. RILEY IS ASKING LOCAL NO LABELS
RILEY IS ASKING LOCAL NO LABELS MEMBERS TO TRY TO GET DEMOCRATIC
MEMBERS TO TRY TO GET DEMOCRATIC REPRESENTATIVE RON BARBER AND
REPRESENTATIVE RON BARBER AND REPUBLICAN SENATOR JEFF FLAKE TO
REPUBLICAN SENATOR JEFF FLAKE TO JOIN THAT LIST.
JOIN THAT LIST. RAGSDALE SAYS HE HAS AN EVEN
RAGSDALE SAYS HE HAS AN EVEN HIGHER GOAL.
HIGHER GOAL. >> I WOULD HOPE TO SEE ALL OF
>> I WOULD HOPE TO SEE ALL OF THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS
THE MEMBERS OF CONGRESS EVENTUALLY BECOME INVOLVED WITH
EVENTUALLY BECOME INVOLVED WITH NO LABELS AND BECOME PART OF THE
NO LABELS AND BECOME PART OF THE PROBLEM SOLVERS INITIATIVE THAT
PROBLEM SOLVERS INITIATIVE THAT NO LABELS IS PUSHING.
NO LABELS IS PUSHING. SEEMS TO ME TO BE JUST A --
SEEMS TO ME TO BE JUST A -- ALMOST A NO-BRAINER THAT EVERY
ALMOST A NO-BRAINER THAT EVERY MEMBER OF CONGRESS SHOULD JOIN
MEMBER OF CONGRESS SHOULD JOIN IN AND HELP TO MAKE THE
IN AND HELP TO MAKE THE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION THROUGH THE
GOVERNMENT FUNCTION THROUGH THE PROBLEM SOLVERS PROCESS.
PROBLEM SOLVERS PROCESS. >> THAT GOAL LIKE OTHERS IN
>> THAT GOAL LIKE OTHERS IN POLITICS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS.
POLITICS IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. NATIONALLY, NO LABELS HAS BEEN
NATIONALLY, NO LABELS HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN OTHER EFFORTS IN
INVOLVED IN OTHER EFFORTS IN CONGRESS.
CONGRESS. INCLUDING A PROPOSAL TO DOCK PAY
INCLUDING A PROPOSAL TO DOCK PAY FOR MEMBERS WHEN THEY DON'T GET
FOR MEMBERS WHEN THEY DON'T GET THEIR JOBS DONE.
THEIR JOBS DONE. >> SO FAR, AND THIS IS A BIG
>> SO FAR, AND THIS IS A BIG ONE, NO BUDGET, NO PAY.
ONE, NO BUDGET, NO PAY. THAT WAS STARTED JUST ABOUT A
THAT WAS STARTED JUST ABOUT A YEAR AGO.
YEAR AGO. AND THE PROPOSAL IS BASICALLY
AND THE PROPOSAL IS BASICALLY THAT IF A BUDGET IS NOT
THAT IF A BUDGET IS NOT ESTABLISHED WITH APPROPRIATIONS
ESTABLISHED WITH APPROPRIATIONS BY THE DESIGNATED DEADLINE, THEN
BY THE DESIGNATED DEADLINE, THEN THEY DO NOT RECEIVE THEIR PAY.
THEY DO NOT RECEIVE THEIR PAY. >> RILEY SAYS NO LABELS IS ALSO
>> RILEY SAYS NO LABELS IS ALSO PUSHING FILIBUSTER REFORM IN AN
PUSHING FILIBUSTER REFORM IN AN EFFORT TO CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER
EFFORT TO CUT DOWN ON THE NUMBER OF TIMES ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER
OF TIMES ONE PARTY OR THE OTHER CAN PREVENT A VOTE ON
CAN PREVENT A VOTE ON LEGISLATION.
LEGISLATION. RAGSDALE SAYS ASIDE FROM
RAGSDALE SAYS ASIDE FROM POLITICAL GOALS TO MAKE
POLITICAL GOALS TO MAKE GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT AND
GOVERNMENT MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE, THE GROUP IS SIMPLY
EFFECTIVE, THE GROUP IS SIMPLY TRYING TO GET ELECTED OFFICIALS
TRYING TO GET ELECTED OFFICIALS TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER
TO COMMUNICATE WITH EACH OTHER IN A NONPOLITICAL WAY.
IN A NONPOLITICAL WAY. >> GET TO GET AND HAVE A DINNER
>> GET TO GET AND HAVE A DINNER OCCASIONALLY.
OCCASIONALLY. LAUGH ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE
LAUGH ABOUT SOME OF THE PEOPLE GOING BOWLING, BUT IT'S THAT OLD
GOING BOWLING, BUT IT'S THAT OLD THING, IF YOU TOUCH A PERSON'S
THING, IF YOU TOUCH A PERSON'S HAND, LOOK IN THEIR EYE, YOU
HAND, LOOK IN THEIR EYE, YOU CREATE A CONNECTION.
CREATE A CONNECTION. AND THEY'RE ONE LABEL, YOU'RE
AND THEY'RE ONE LABEL, YOU'RE ANOTHER LABEL.
ANOTHER LABEL. IF YOU CAN BREAK DOWN THOSE KIND
IF YOU CAN BREAK DOWN THOSE KIND OF BARRIERS, THOSE LABELS THAT
OF BARRIERS, THOSE LABELS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON PEOPLE, THEN
HAVE BEEN PUT ON PEOPLE, THEN HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING
HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE.
DONE. I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST
I GUESS THAT'S PROBABLY THE BEST THING I CAN SAY IS HOPEFULLY WE
THING I CAN SAY IS HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET SOMETHING DONE.