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in the ball forward or both
at all what about the interest greatly with you
great to have you here are have a clear answer to that question do but i'm
curious as to what your answers would you please a he did you with us though
well i think leave weaker leader starters heavy democrats really needed a
strong quarterback to get this built through it i think this is basically the
lowest common denominator
that he could find in a way to covered it up to bring anybody aborting the
democrats on the committee don't like it republicans don't like it but now
there will be a marathon session that i get begins tomorrow and growth over the
next weaker too
will be dependent get offered in the democrats will try to strengthen part
that they don't like in the republicans will try to
prepare weekend but i think that they don't want to go through it also
there'll be another etc etc etc it will
between the two parties and will be how blockage manages the amendment i hope
you get a better job
that he didn't
managing the building in st here that would
that's what he came up with him
pretty pathetic ill other hand i a sick i think that he's in a bit of a tough
spot
and i'll tell you why i think that and i'm very from the possible to get to
that as well is of course the top of the max baucus is profe bill is coming out
of this finance committee
and it came out with no republican support and uh... it does not include
the public action does not include
and number of things that progresses we're looking for in the bill there is a
nice and is a tough he's in the top spot
on our speakers those are bubbles were never going to sign onto any so
how is he going to sell up to the corporate
lobbyists which he desperately wants to do
without republican cover
uh... now that could be interesting to look at the club a number of democrats
of course hide behind at the republican you know skirt hope you will
of because don't want they don't want appellate compromises fear connections
with the various interests in they can always say well republicans won't go for
it so
therefore where parallel
of and
in the notion that nobody can predict told president clinton please god
i don't know what he can do work
kind of
you know withhold indication fifty dinners
i'm not quite sure what howard he had of his
amnesty campaign with people who are blood flow to rally on the democratic
side
you know it's not
the nineteen sixties anymore anybody including me has invoked a l_b_j_
comparison i was reminded that l_b_j_ had sixty seven democrats
and seven work
george in leonard and like
george's them
senator retrofit
pretty major
figures on the democratic side that they they want they were roadblocks gilbert
still the headcount with sixty seven
well you know
that assumes that old bal wants to get a strong a healthcare bill as possible
anna i'm
therefore that convinced of that
message he definitely doesn't but im so inactive vents
alm operates so let's
tackle process will be here to say that might
enlighten tho
the motivations of the different people involved so if if this was really to get
conservative get republican votes
answers that you didn't get any republican votes
what shouldn't max baucus
and the people of the white house or backing him
then say i was just beginning to publish votes are coming to go ahead for the
public option as an example
back into the pit
weaken the way congress work
believe it or not some of those republican may still be get ahold and
you know i think down the road and that they will be in if you put the public
option in
i'm not sure they could get the votes to get bill out of committee
now we're talking about getting the bill out of committee and if you get no
republican votes coming out of committee and you have
uh... handful of that
of the democrats not supporting asp then you can get it out of committee i
believe that could happen to hillary clinton she never got her bail out of
committee and therefore
don't get to the floor and i don't think you can go ahead
without the senate finance committee on board can play are approved the vehicle
that decide
i have the power but there was paid for alex kelly where we're at weren't thirty
other pursuits releases a lot of comebacks
the rules that applies to me in a second that
uh...
doesn't have a is the main problem that the democrats have on that committee
right now whether it's bought this or conrad
as to prime examples
is that they no longer up a little recover saying how can i do the
republicans made me do it now if we put the public option back in as rockefeller
wants to on that same committee
then they just they gotta face the music and say no
i don't want the public option
right
for your get ahead of time and it never said i don't want it you know we fit it
can't can't defendant rebellious and i know that the e_r_m_ usd expose him
that and he'll be added with the actual head count to ten how they've declared
himself on the public option
mostly we read about the real andrew and political economic sure either of them
or even on the finance committee that
you know that broader
utm
that uh... it conference thinking is even if they get it out of the senate
finance committee that camping at the fold senate falcon keep looking at the
other outside the committee
seattle the middle
and i don't i think that he along with max baucus who takes nearly three
million dollars from the healthcare industry
it's not the elected all wearing their hats on so concern about how others
might vote on the public action now
their concern because they want to keep their lobbyist paycheck
so you know i don't know why we're not
considering that is a possible motive ignition
when it seems evident that they take an enormous amount of money on those guys
and then as you well you can't make you can't make that case
hardship letter broadly and they look at all the money they're getting any more
responsive to deep interest in they are really to the national interest acadia
precedent
one hundred states it capital found wenyi when you start going into
individual motivations
and
you know then the pecan man
votive crackers died within the democratic party and while he waits
applicant can have a wonderful time looking on you know i don't think so i
just the promises uncomfortable
i think it'd get uncomfortable it out so i don't mind me as you know a couple
because they're very comfortable taking the money right now
well i like it when wind move on and said that the other organizations that
have really and spotlighted
be connections
create the kind text has the votes
people care
i think that's that's very good at what they go in the districts in the
explosion and i think that had come up with that
and zero zero itself and our clift of newsweek
the bottom line is industry
logs max boxes bell
i'm guessing that that's not a coincidence that he wanted by the
building
right and and
and it is considered herein
process
central and washington
that in tomato that all the special interest you still on board because
again the doctors we're always picking then and they would only picking health
care reform the
sharon industry had quietly loudly gained typically not running harry and
louise did pharmaceutical industry had made
appeal
no abn
this is considered progress and washing trappist itself you know why him guys
caretaker that banquet limping read about it with them
success
that and yet hate i don't know how you up and depicted system we have to evolve
into because this and hideous
underwriting of campaign
through the campaign contributions from the industry that congress should be
over thing and throw it
congress than overheat with
a blind eye you know the minute we saw the balkan spills version which i cannot
on the senate salute let me get this right he's in the past for a mandate
right that was in fact before it came out there was a lease he's an *** for at
and mandate
abit everybody get insurance
but he's not going to provide them a public option
so then
of course is first industry is going to love that because then the everybody has
to get
private insurers and they don't have any choice
yeah i mean it's a dream come true why would they be a poster range so if i
know that there are some other concessions and they said all kade
twisted my arm but they seem exceedingly happy with the results rain and then if
you get insurance reform where you do in oak point them not to uh...
pavel lifetime to happen in a previous inhibition carrying
became again date they will charge for eleven at the ticket that would be paid
jonno trying to consumer that
ending the rockefeller complaint now
jay rockefeller complainant it's basically
lamp to a middle-class tax increase i think that's exactly right and and
that's why he can't call these guys like boxing conrad conserve democrats
because
if they kick if they were actually conservative as i used to be in the old
days they'd care about fiscal discipline conrad talks ameen game about fiscal
discipline
but
the public option brings down costs that doesn't bring cost authoring so they
have no argument they have no excuse and they're exposed for the in my opinion
the corporate shows that they are and
and that gives been going on for a long time now we have a final point
which is which side is oklahoma
because we see reports of the white house to be cut these deals with big
pharma and hospitals those are
you know obviously and they are on the record pretty much in rain and then it
appears that
behind the scenes when negotiating with all these different interests
that data you know
were awakened and i'd be a a right where we were going up all the goshen
direction they fought focus all of their finance all their put their all their
eggs in the finance committee basket
this is all bombers goes as much as baucus is the way i see it and so
strongly want housing at all
then welcome couple bernadette
him
shy away from combat
uh... and ag i thought that david axelrod foreshadowed that beautifully in
the memo that he wrote in
two thousand tax plan obama wave considering running for president and he
told him that he would have to face
something that he didn't like invented the personal criticism of one sustained
baker
and he could i don't know that you've that you can handle that i don't know
whether your muhammad ali or play patterns and i mean i think
the letter will pick up in the
in alabama
and that you know it if if this turns out there than it looks
going through right now will pray for them i spose for his
uh... attitude in the way he handled it
it looks like and emily went up and then a biting and so that
and you don't feel looking at the realities of the committees that is
stacked with
pl
small state
rural
bridge state
conservative even though they call themselves democrats
so i'd like to think that he he you get this touted
senate finance committee
it still have to be blended with the other
that helped bill if of course uh... end of the three bills that have to be pitch
in together
i think if if there's significant optic in public support for a public option
and stronger stronger reform package
that open on that will be struggling into that that's what he did five shows
over the weekend and he you need a little window
headed back up and i don't think he's cute
he but no success
provided now had he been actively wooing but ella how much more or
publix for can there be when polls show that
that's seventy seven percent of the american people are fairly republic
option
does it need to be eighty seven percent doesn't need to be nineties i don't know
that i know that polls show it that will be intensity seems to be on the other
side well that's obviously manufactured i mean i can get ten dollars and one who
did this five big manufacture a little pinto
i don't disagree with you that i am idea fat yesterday something i against
everywhere living in a democracy that is
that where every issue it's framed cardiac pay cable news network so that
they don't have
big audiences at all the mainstream media take their cues from the cable
send face greeley refit the debate in a way that's very negative towards a bomb
in the progressive side
so and
is do you think there's any chance that harry takes the finance committee
version
and the health care health committee version the text only version with the
public option
at he has if i'm not mistaken he has
very
broad authority
to make it any version he likes that have been forthright that embassy is
there a chance there that he goes you know i think it i think that we can
again actually studied this conversation with my remarking about what it weak
leader book at them
hariri no permanently parent fortunately
uh...
allah
i think he
anything he might what he might be lifting their more and i think there are
more progressive than the democratic side of the fed up and there are
conservative or ventricular data they closed overdose
corporate
crowds
and it's a they've determined that they're going to go state that they give
up the typo bipartisanship a determined they're going to go the fifty devote
route two fifty one room
vote route
i think read them
no maybe rebook deprived
sandy tilson like when
tonight john ashcroft going down as crackdown
you know refused to let to push people think pumping and suddenly they were the
chinese girls we never knew existed well that's true
central bank in atlanta
always a little building anybody can write of final thing on this as a matter
of logistics and and and how the process for cis so
if carried decides that hey you know what on the move
you know looking like we laid out here undergo strong i think this public
support for this offer the public option there im go with the ted kennedy verse
i would put it in error and let's go anne you everybody in why don't you
don't like it led to a debate i think he he had propounding probably you've got
to be
he committed run
complete rep shot over
overran bob walker
i think i don't know either way to compromise is but but but let's and see
if he's going to be strong includes apologize yet because he doesn't and
he's not really strong right so
so he got strong right
but everybody in washington believes that you have to go through
reconciliation if you're not going to get the sixty votes but couldn't
that something where they say that you know what
of you but anyway you like on this bill
but you're not allowed to join a republican filibuster
so if you're a democrat or your caucus with the democrats this is a bright line
issue and if you
enjoyed a republican filibuster of the most important
item on of the president's agenda
well then there are going to be consequences your lose your chairmanship
tablets that i like
yet me i i'd that is ecological
you can if they have to get a vote that a pretty derailed matter
put everybody knows that would open the door door to uh... a democratic victory
but do you really want to block which already ruled he kick and shame them
and he and he
he doesn't know about can exact some real consequences
taking a committee chairmanship away would be very strong medicine
but after you know that that that would be uh... that would be a good pretty
good follow through
well and that that there are other ways if you can punish
tried he could make it a party-line vote
uh... i e i would hope that the with so i think that's probably the marks where
they go
sparse procedures concern throughout the public option stick it into the book and
uh... yeah
right not why not
and i'm not naive i don't think that their health services there what we were
nothing
claimed i don't think they did something ride and they're probably get a lot
if we had a fourteen million new customers yes and
got enough that a lot of good enough and we got to get something 'cause we don't
control the costs this whole thing blows up on everyday return discerning on
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