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Alex Jones: Ladies and Gentlemen! Until the end of the hour, we're joined by Congressman
Ron Paul, Dr. Paul. Of course, his son has still got a healthy lead against the Democratic
candidate there in Kentucky and needs your support. We'll talk a little bit about the
hoaxes; there's five of them we've counted that have been run but we're mainly going
to focus on the Iran situation, the economy and so much more. Congressman, thank you for
joining us.
Ron Paul: Good to be with you.
Alex Jones: So much is happening and you're always nice to join us each month. I've got
all my questions but for you, Congressman, what is most important on your radar, right
now, you'd like to talk about?
Ron Paul: Well, I don't think anything is new. I keep talking about the same issues.
The bold and the broad issue, of course, is liberty and then I deal, so much, in foreign
policy. We don't talk enough about foreign policy. They are talking about domestic policy
and the debt, and that's very good. That's what the election seems to be about. But according
to the polls, they say that nobody cares about these wars but I have a little trouble believing
that, because it shouldn't take much of a leap for people to understand that running
an empire and spending all this money is very detrimental to our economy.
So, that's high on my agenda and of course, the economic situation and how they're making
it much worse. Hopefully, I can get as much interested in trying to allow people to opt
out of this system with competing currencies. I think we're getting much closer to a currency
crisis. And, if people would only have that option to get out, and it's encouraging news
to know that the Indonesians are now looking toward hard money, and, maybe will put some
pressure on Western nations, as well.
Alex Jones: Because if we went to hard money or a hard money-backed currency that would
take the power away from the central banks to basically build-up their power at the expense
of the real free market?
Ron Paul: Yeah, that's right. I don't think you have to by force, be able to have the
political power to go in and close down the fence. That's not going to happen soon. But
they can self destruct. What we have to do is to educate the people to know what the
other alternative is and an option to do it. That's why I really fear it when people try
to use constitutional money, silver and gold coins. They could end up in prison or harassed
to death or fined to death. And yet, that is the answer. Why should they fear it? They
fear it because they want power. And the power, the special interests have power when they
can print the money, control it and make sure the people suffer the consequences of the
inflation.
Alex Jones: Congressman, looking at foreign policy, you talked about sanctions on Iran
being an act of war under international law and our own law. And now, we've got Bolton,
the former Ambassador from the United States to the UN, saying "We've got to hit them by
the 21st" – that's just three days away – "or they're going to fuel the reactor."
We've got the Gulf states lining up now, in support of an attack on Iran. Our government
had lied the last three years and said "We don't have contractors or troops in Pakistan."
They now admit that they are there. They are now trying to hype up and increase conflict,
not just with Iran but Pakistan. Can you speak directly to the war clouds that are gathering
over Iran and Pakistan?
Ron Paul: Yeah, I mean, there's a lot in the neocon camp, that's all they agitate for.
They think that's the only solution for the mess that actually the west has created, the
European as well as the west, including us has created this mess. And, they're determined
to move it in that direction. I keep hoping and praying that they're not successful and
they're not as about to be as stupid as to bomb Iran but they're liable to and that is
going to be a major, major catastrophe. I think the argument is still going on. I don't
think the plans have been made. I doubt that'll happen in the next three days or next month,
for that matter, but that doesn't mean the issue is going to go away.
Alex Jones: Do you agree that we are moving towards a green lighting because many of the
experts we interview concur that the war drums are intensifying and that the propaganda mechanisms,
the very same neocons that promoted fictional WMDs in Iraq in 2002, 2003 are right back
at it?
Ron Paul: Well, I don't know that answer because I'm not on the inside. I still think there
is some disagreements going on. If they had been unified on this, Bush would have done
it. So, obviously there're two arguments even among the radical neocons and other ones that
are less radical. I think it's still going on. And, I think reality sets in too. There
has to be some military people who are really worried about this. What are they going to
fight a war with? They had these war games where they tried to theoretically bombed Iran
and the consequence was it's going to be a disaster for us. So, there're military people
who are arguing against this as well.
Some of the outrageous politicians are arguing, "Go ahead. Go in and bomb." Other people who
have a little bit more common sense, economic conditions are such, "Where are they going
to get the troops in? Where are they going to get the money in?" And that's what all
we need right now, is more of this. So, I think the debate is going on and I certainly
don't have the answer on exactly when. But I know there're people there who would like
to do it. People like Bolton, they're going to agitate and agitate until they have their
way. Hopefully, they don't win this fight.
Alex Jones: Well, Jeffrey Goldberg of the New Atlantic, who pushed some of the key disinfo
on the Iraqi WMDs, he's back. And, they're putting him on television and he's writing
for the New Atlantic. But, at the same time I, three weeks ago, saw the Financial Times
of London with top Clinton advisor and also Obama advisor, Robert Shapiro saying, "If
we don't have another Oklahoma City or 9-11 to make Obama look strong, we're probably
going to lose the House and the Senate." And then now, other neocons are openly writing
articles saying, "Obama, attack Iran, we'll back you. You'll get political support." So,
a lot of people I'm talking to are really concerned that Obama may back an Israeli strike
or even a US strike, in the short term, to have the people rally around him as some type
of October surprise.
Ron Paul: Well, I guess it's a possibility, but like I said, I don't know the answer to
that. I think, our job is to point out the great dangers, and at least explain to many
of our friends in the conservative movement that the typical conservative shouldn't be
endorsing illegal and unconstitutional wars of aggression. And that should be our job
and, I just can't say that I can,either alter the future or know the future, but I do know
what our obligations ought to be.
Alex Jones: Looking at the economy, many economists are saying we really are in a depression Ifiyou
look at the old standards of economic analysis but then, there's a lot of cooking in the
books now. Now, the mainstream media is saying, "Okay, it's a double-dip recession." They're
talking about the Federal Reserve putting out trillions of more dollars the taxpayers
will have to pay back. Congressman Paul, studying the economy and being very accurate in predicting
what happened in 2008 and that the stimulus would not work in the last year and a half,
what is your economic prognosis for the United States?
Ron Paul: Well, I don't talk about double-dips because I don't think the economy ever really
recovered. Everything that said that the economy was recovering were artificial statistics
from the government. Let's say they give a tremendous tax credit for somebody to refinance
their house or buy a house, and then there's a little blip upwards. They spend a couple
trillion dollars and that translates into a hundred billion dollars or so of GDP increase?
I mean, what does that mean? The cost was ten times more than the GDP increase. So,
they talk about a recovery as a weak recovery, and now there's going to be a double-dip.
I think, if we were honest with ourselves, we would say, "We started slipping nearly
ten years ago, in the year 2000, when the NASDAQ bubble collapsed, good jobs went overseas,
we'd lost jobs that never came back for that whole decade. Things got much, much worse
after the last crisis in 2008? and I think, it's a continuation of a downhill for us.
And, since they're doing all the same things as they did to put us in this crisis, we can
expect this economy to give out much worse.
The American people are going to be a lot poorer and they're only going to have the
printing press to look to. They're going to keep printing money and that's going to precipitate
the dollar crisis and that'll be a political crisis. That's when we better have our ducks
lined up, so that we know we have enough allies to replace the system we have today with a
constitutional system, sound money, free markets, private property rights, all the things we
believed in. That is coming, but once again, you don't know when. Now, we were just talking
about the Iranian situation. If next week, they go ahead and bomb Iran and the oil prices
double or triple, and one of our ships gets sunk, that war would spread rather quickly.
That would be a whole new ball game and maybe what would collapse the dollar.
Alex Jones: I know you don't like people to talk about how great you are, Congressman,
but you really are a true statesman, a medical doctor, someone who has been given honorary
degrees for your understanding of economics. Yourself, Judge Andrew Napolitano and many
others in the last eight months have come on this show repeatedly and I read the bill,
as well on air. The Financial Reform Bill allows the SEC to have secrecy, autonomy,
cannot be investigated for covering up for Madoff for ten years. It allows the private
board of the Federal Reserve to have more power over the economy in their 97 years of
looting as a front group for private banks. And now that's all come true. So, I'd like
for you to speak to that, a, but then b, you also read the different versions of the Health
Care Bill and said, "This raises taxes, cuts benefits, and it does allow the government
to come in and set parameters on what type of care people will get." And, the Democrats
and Republican leadership, they stonewalled on this said, "None of that was true." Now,
everything you said six months ago on this show is admitted. They're coming out and admitting,
"Okay, this does not cover pre-existing conditions, it's a tax increase and the insurance companies
wrote it to rip you off as a bailout. Okay, it's true, this gives the Federal Reserve
even more power and more junk bonds are being issued and record derivatives are being issued."
I mean, it's clear they're accelerating all this over the edge of the cliff. So, you've
been proven right again. It's so incredible how criminal this is.
Ron Paul: I guess it's better late than never, you know. People are starting read it and
find out. I think, the most atrocious statement came from Nancy Pelosi when she says, when
people were arguing, "Well, we need to see the bill and study it." and she says something
like, "We need to pass the bill so we can read it." That's, boy, the understatement
of the century because that's exactly what happened. And even as hard as my staff works,
every little comma and every little phrase, it's pretty tough to dissect all of that.
That's why the whole process is so bad. But I protect myself from endorsing that because
it doesn't take long to find out what their goals are and what their intent is, making
government bigger, raising more taxes. But even as bad as it is, it's even worse than
some people think. Barney Frank is a big regulator, he loves this stuff. And, I work with him
on some issues but obviously, on this regulatory bill I did not. And he, I believe, was honestly
surprised about how much more power was given to the SEC. Because he has a sort of an instinct
of more transparency and he actually wants to do something about that. He is probably
the most informed person about that bill as it was going through. I'm amazed at how much
detail he knows, but he can't possibly know every single thing that the SEC does behind
the scenes and sticks this stuff in at last minute. It's just absolutely out of control.
That's why this system will end and has to be replaced by something else.
Alex Jones: Again Congressman Ron Paul joins us. Remember, one month and a half ago, Senator
DeMint got up and reported that 94% of the Senate bills are never even read and are literally
written by the special interest lobbyists, many of them foreign lobbyists. This is a
foreign corporate takeover of our government! If the President can launch wars without Congress
declaring it, the private Central Banks can issue all this fiat currency to their enrichment
and our detriment. But he said in his speech he didn't know the number on the House. Do
we have any idea on what number of House bills are never even read and are brought out thirty
minutes before they're passed?
Ron Paul: No, not exactly. Some bills float around and you could read them. But the night
before they're due to come to the floor, they go to the Rules Committee and the Rules Committee
has tremendous license to change things. The Chairman of the Rules Committee can have a
Manager's Amendment which was used originally to change some grammatical things and just
a few technical changes. But now, they use the Manager's Amendment to replace the whole
bill. That's what they did with the PATRIOT Act. Bob Barr and others tried to protect
us to a degree against the PATRIOT Act. They worked months or at least several weeks on
that, but when the Manager's Amendment came from the Rules Committee, they put a whole
new bill into it which meant that nobody could read it. So, it depends on the particular
issue. But even if the bill is available, the Financial Reform Bill was available and
discussed in a lot of hearings and a lot of talk but that still doesn't mean that many
members would have had a total comprehension and been able to read this bill.
It is so massive. So, I would say that if you are talking about how often all the members
read everything that is being presented, I would think that it's less than 5% where people
can say, "Oh, I've read the whole bill and I fully understand it." That just very rarely
happens.
Alex Jones: And that's why your known as Doctor No and they try to criticized you because
if you can't read some three thousand page bill and they give it to you an hour before
it's time to vote, it would be immoral for you to pass it.
Ron Paul: That should be an easy note for everybody and hopefully with what's going
on in this country, it'll get easier because the American people are sick and tired of
this. I mean, sometimes they just say, "Why don't you guys read the bills. Why don't we
do anything else and let's have a delayed time. Read the bills." That, I think, is good
that the American people are getting very upset with the status quo and I think they're
wise enough now to be very cautious about saying, "Well, if we just elect Republicans,
they'll take care of it. So, this is a Republican versus Democrat issue." It isn't, it's the
people who believe in big government and big taxes and a lot of war and welfare against
the people who have to pay all the bills and all they want is to be left alone.
Alex Jones: Congressman, even establishment political analysts, as you know, admit there's
been the biggest political realignments in history against the Democrats and the Republicans.
Almost every pro-establishment candidate, whether they be Democrat or Republican, are
losing in the primaries. And great patriots, like your son Dr. Rand Paul, are winning.
That's got the system panicked. The Daily Paul ran a story yesterday that says, "Ron
Paul to run for President in 2012; will announce in January 2011." I don't have any inside
knowledge, but knowing you, you understand you'll be able to inject real issues into
the debate. Your health is good and of course, it's great right now. I mean, I would imagine
being a man of honor, you're going to run. But, this has some supposed inside official
who is unnamed saying you've decided to announce in January of 2011. Congressman, I would be
remiss if I didn't bring this up to you.
Ron Paul: Yeah well, I don't know where they got that. They didn't get it from me. And
the truth is what I've been saying for many, many months, I haven't decided to run. I haven't
decided not to run. It will, obviously, not be now, it would not be this year. And it
will depend on what I perceive as support. You know, a lot of people like what I'm doing
and they encourage me but there are some that say, "Well, it's time for you to take a rest.
Somebody else is about to do it." You know, that sort of thing. So, I need to know if
the support is really out there but certainly I gave no inside information as recently as
Orlando as was reported.
Alex Jones: But I would imagine, if Rand does win and people support him, that's going to
be a big plus for you running for President.
Ron Paul: Yeah, I think, this is all a [...] of what's happening to show that the status
quo is something that needs to be changed. Whether it's Rand's race or others, I think
it's all very positive.
Alex Jones: When your son said, "I've got a message to Washington, the tea party is
coming. No to your carbon tax, no to your elitism, no to your globalism." It scared
them so, they've run five hoaxes. They've claimed you want to get rid of the Civil Rights
Act when he said, "Excuse me I can't hear you. Yes–No I don't want to get rid of it."
They claimed he wasn't a doctor—complete hoax. They have been caught; this is mainstream
news, sending people from the Democratic Party to pose as racist supporters of Rand. They
then, even three days after that lady admitted that nobody tied her up, nobody made her take
*** hits, none of this happened. There's still no retraction from GQ, no retractions
from Huffington Post. They're still going with it. My listeners made Rand Paul hoax
the number one search term last Friday and hundreds of publications read our break down,
saw that she retracted in the Washington Post. So now, it's out there that was a hoax but
I'm worried that if he doesn't sue them or at least stand up to them, next they'll say,
"He killed Kennedy." Next he'll say, "He killed Jesus." Next they'll say that he burned the
Reichstag. Next they'll say that he let the cows out of the gate. I mean next he'll say,
"He's causing the wildfires in Russia." I mean, there's no end to how desperate they
are. I'm really worried about your son.
Ron Paul: Well, there's a couple ways you can handle that. I do think you have to answer
back. You just can't let it stay sitting out there but you can't get overly defensive or
it gives them too much credibility. I've been under those attacks too because you know and
I'm sure you share my views on how outrageous the War on Drugs is and how that violates
our civil liberties. So, I've never supported the War on Drugs yet I oppose the use of drugs
for kids and all that. But, they used that against me in 1996 and I put a TV ad on and
I defended myself and explained why it's the War on Drugs, not the drugs that I promote.
I think the other thing that we did that is so important is to try to get an image out
there. See, I can say a lot of things that might be controversial but by this time the
people in Texas and the people in my district know me. And, they trust me and when they
say, "Oh, Ron Paul wants to give kids drugs.", nobody believes that stuff. Like all these
things you're suggesting, nobody's going to believe that the more people know Rand. So,
when they get to know him and see him as a physician with kids… last night I talked
to him on the phone, which is rather rare, and he was out on a soccer game with his kids.
So, if they see that, I told him, I said, "What you need to do is make sure people know
who you are." But I agree with you, you also have to be alert, you have to be willing to
defend. I think it actually happened. They didn't threaten but they insinuated that they
might have to consider legal action. I think that's finally when there was a slight backing
down on that when they finally got the information from the girl and said, "I really didn't say
that." So, I think…
Alex Jones: Well, my point is, Congressman, it shows how desperate they are. I mean this
is some of the dirtiest tricks I've ever seen because they know he's a real bona fide true
constitutionalist. And, if he becomes the leader of the tea party, that is going to
supercharge you, perhaps even winning the presidency. We have to think big and realize
that this is possible. And we have to realize that they're going to run other dirty tricks
against you and we've got to understand that that's why it's so important to get behind
Campaign for Liberty and donate, to get behind Rand right now, letters to the editor, everything.
Ron Paul: Yeah and so far things are looking pretty good. I think he's holding his lead
and that's good, there're still a few months. But, I think your word of caution is legitimate
because there're still a couple of months to go and if they've done that much already,
at the end, when they think you don't have enough time to answer or clarify, they might
throw a lot more mud around.
Alex Jones: They may claim he's really a vampire. They may say he's the Loch Ness monster.
Ron Paul: Well, I think that's a bit over the top. I think they are over the top and
they've lost their credibility. People are a little more sophisticated than I think a
lot people are given credit for. I assumed for many years, "Well, if they ever knew what
I really believe in, how little government I believe in, I couldn't possibly get elected."
Sometimes, I am even surprised myself, "Wow! People really don't like big government. They
want to be left alone."
Alex Jones: You know what Victor Hugo said, Congressman, "No army can stop an idea whose
time has come." Do you agree that we've seen a massive realignment and the pendulum is
now swinging back but we're in the maximum phase of danger because the ruling class is
going to try and keep this crony socialist system in place?
Ron Paul: Yeah, they'll be desperate and they still have lots of power and they have lots
of guns and they have the political power. But, the ideas, like you say, are more powerful
than the armies. So, I want to always work real hard at remaining optimistic and present
our views. And, we can overcome all the bad ideas that we're suffering from today.
Alex Jones: Congressman, in closing, I hate to bring up what I see as distractions, but
the Ground Zero Mosque is now the biggest story in the country and is a diversion. This
is kind of a liberal sect of Muslims, but regardless I don't like ever agreeing with
Obama and I do think they should look for another place just because the community has
gotten so outraged. But, I am against government coming in and saying what people can do religiously
and violating the first amendment. What's your view on that? A and B, Pelosi though,
saying she wants to "investigate" anybody who's upset about it implying that people
don't have a right to be upset. So, we're seeing tyranny from both sides.
Ron Paul: I think it's a big distraction; it's a grand distraction from the real issue.
The country is engulfed in this war, as well as its financial crisis and they're spending
all their time on this. But this should have been grand opportunity, and you really touched
on the opportunity, because this is a property rights issue, who owns the property? It is
also a civil liberties issue; it's a freedom of speech issue. This to me is so different
than what the liberals say. The liberals say, "We'll argue to speak but not to protect your
private property." Conservatives say, "We don't worry too much about your speech but
we want to protect your private property rights." They want to regulate all the things that
we do in stores, and how much salt you can use in restaurants and all that. So, when
you get a guy like Bloomberg, he's up there saying, "Oh yeah, this is a property rights
issue." But think of what Bloomberg does to property rights issues. I think this is a
tremendously opportune time for us to point out that property rights and civil rights
are one and the same. But, I think what's behind this, it drives the neocons nuts because
they can't pursue this international war on terrorism without having a hated enemy and
the hated enemy is Islam. And, I don't believe for a minute that the "religion of Islam"
is our enemy.
Alex Jones: Congressman, we're out of time, look forward to speaking to you again. God
bless you!
Ron Paul: Thank you! Good to be with you.
Alex Jones: We'll be back.