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I am going to the Church and that's all. I am not going to anybody else.
We are ...
aliens here. We are intruders.
Ion Gavrila never knew the real identity of the Colonel Tudor Vladimirescu. One day after many years he found on his doorstep a book.
It was a notebook with a close reading circuit.
In this way he found out that that his inquirer killed among other Toma and Maria Arnautoiu, too.
What were the differences between the good and the bad inquirer, the way you felt them?
Colonel Nagy was the guy who searched for me his entire life.
And he is, as I mentioned, the one who knew all my personal details: next to kin, who was listening the chat from the family,
they were wiretapping on constant basis my mother because there was a microphone in her house.
Let's say, that in time, we knew each other for a long period of time and probably it transformed in a sort of benevolence regarding
- Firstly for your biography and then for yourself. - And I think that he became benevolent.
And in many situations he told me specifically, either he let the sentences as I had written.
Against me there were three major counts : that in three circumstances I behave without humaneness.
What were those three circumstances ?
The first one: at the outskirt of a village I tied up two guys back to back and I let them to walk like that into the village.
That once I caught a guy called Vulcu, a Securitate agent from Breaza, and I had threaten to kill him.
And the third one that at the squirmish from Izvoarele Topologului, at that sheepfold, one guy from Securitate had died.
All of these three were just to frame me.
First of all: one of those two asked me to do that thing.
It is true that I did threaten the Securitate agent, but I just threaten him.
I didn't harm him not even a scratch. I didn't beat him.
In the last circumstance, they caught us in the sheepfold where we were unarmed, he had only with small pistols.
If someone died there, a soldier died, it died because it was friendly fire, because there were more than 100 of soldiers.
They were firing in all directions given the superiors orders.
I am puzzled that it was only one dead person.
This inquirer told me "stick with the statements given by me to you. Under no circumstances you should not get out of that story".
After a while another inquirer came, Tudor, the one you mentioned, who took everything in detail,
day and night, coming back to the previous statements, to every word, to every situation.
I could feel that this guy was hating me from the bottom of his soul.
While in 2005, on Ion Gavrila's criminal record, there are still maintained all the convictions for the anticommunist fight,
even the one that was pronounced in his absence - the death penalty - those judges were rewarded by the new power that was installed in December 1989.
As an acknowledgement of these merits, one of them, Colonel of Military Justice Niculae Vasile Sitaru, was promoted straight away in February 1990 to the rank of General Major.
As I worked before at the Archives, I am the one who brought. I am the first person who saw his file and after that I was the one who gave to him this file in order to be read.
This is why I know this situation better.
Ion Gavrila is on one side a very sensitive man and on another side he is very powerful.
He is never complaining.
I met him once at a Communication Session at Pitesti.
He traveled by train from Alba, he had led that Session.
Because we're happy, we're young, we kept him awake the whole night to speak with him, and we went to bed for 2 hours.
When we woke up, Mr. Gavrila was not there anymore. He went to Fagaras.
So as a matter-of-fact he didn't sleep at all. And it happened recently, he had 81 or 82 years.
He is a very strong person. Probably that's the reason he survived. He has certain features that the other persons do not possess.
He has undoubtedly leadership skills.