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Does the Bible really claim there was a world-wide
flood? Or was the story of Noah and the ark just
allegory? A story to teach us some profound
lesson? If there had been a global flood, we should
see evidence of this, shouldn't we?
Maybe you have a friend or family member who has
wondered about the flood of Noah? We're about
to answer these questions and more - you should
call them up and tell them you're watching this
special edition of Genesis Week.
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I'm your host, Ian Juby
It can be quite an educational surprise to find out
what probably is the most contentious story in the
Bible. It's not what you would expect. It wasn't the
claim that Jesus rose from the dead. It's not even
the story that's the foundation and primary focus of
this show: the creation account.
The account that has caused the most debate and
arguing in history has been the flood of Noah. Even
Discovery channel has taken on the debate.
We must first address what exactly it is that the
Bible says, in order to assess the flood account.
For example, a documentary on Discovery channel
claimed that Noah's flood was just a local flood.
Let's dispel this myth right off the bat: Why would
Noah spend at least 100 years of his life building a
450 foot long SHIP, collecting two of every animal
when all he had to do to escape the flood was climb
the nearest hill! He had 100 years to get to higher
ground!!! Secondly, the Bible tells us that the
highest mountain was covered by at least 15 cubits
of water - so in either case it was a miracle: either
it was a worldwide flood, or it was a local flood
that was higher than the highest mountain!
So the Biblical account of the flood of Noah shows
that it rained for 40 days and 40 nights - and it's
significant that it would appear that Noah's ark did
not float until the 40th day. At the 2003 International
Conference on Creationism, Barrick and Sigler
analysed the Hebrew in chapter 7, and the verb
sequence of verses 15 to 18 give a compelling
sequence that Noah's ark did not start floating until
the 40th day. This is significant in that most anti-
creationists trying to argue against a worldwide
flood try to depict Noah's flood as happening
"overnight" if you will. This is not the case, and its
significance will become evident in a moment.
Waters continued to rise, with Noah's ark coming to
rest on Mount Ararat on the 150th day.
ALL the mountains under ALL the heavens were
covered by at least 15 cubits of water - that would
be around 7 meters or 22 feet of water higher than
the highest mountains at the time.
EVERYTHING on the face of the earth that
breathed the breath of life was destroyed. This was
not a local flood.
Obviously, we're not underwater now, so the water
receded, about 150 days later. This recession event
is more significant than people realize, as it would
have been the receding flood waters that carved the
major canyons for example.
Presently our oceans rise and fall twice a day -
why? The moon and the sun pulling on the water
cause tides. So let us ask: Would we have tides
during a global flood? The answer is yes - in fact if
anything, the tides would have been larger. Right
now our tides stop because the tidal wave hits land,
but if the land is submerged, then the tides get bigger
and bigger - a resonance develops, as was
modeled by my good friend, the late Professor M.E.
Clark and his student Henry Voss. So the water
encroaching upon the land would have taken weeks
to months before the highest points were finally
submerged. As this water continually rises, it also
has superimposed upon it, tidal waves twice a day.
So the flood starts, and our first tidal wave hits
land, laying down a layer of mud. Where the dirt
came from is a one hour lecture I won't get into it
today. During low tide, the water regresses.
Because the water is rising, the next tidal wave is
higher than the last, so it lays down a layer of mud
on top of the last. During low tide, it regresses. The
next tidal wave is higher still, lays down another
layer of mud on top of the others, and then low tide
sets in. During low tides, you'll have things like
dinosaurs walking out on these freshly made tidal
flats, trying to get to higher ground, foraging for
food, etc... You'll have people also walking around,
trying to get to higher ground, etc... All of these
creatures will be making footprints in the freshly laid
mud, which then gets covered up by another layer
of mud from the next tidal wave.
Now during the horrible tsunami of Indonesia in
2004, we learned a lot of things. For example, we
learned that one wave can produce multiple layers
of sediment. So if there has been a global flood, we
should see layers of mud now hardened into rock
all over the world. This is precisely what we see,
and thus we see the first evidence of Noah's flood
that I'm sure every person viewing this program has
seen.
Now of course some of these rock layers we find
throughout the world, some evolutionary geologists
have contended could not have been laid down by a
flood. For example, the Coconino sandstones in
Grand Canyon. This is one of the more prominent
vertical cliff faces in Grand Canyon, a bright white
rock, but when you take a close look at it, is has a
highly unusual formation called crossbedding. I'm
going to show you pictures of a different formation
called the Navajo sandstone, because it is brightly
coloured and you can see the crossbedding better.
So within the Navajo, you see rock layers, but each
of those layers is composed of these sloped layers
called crossbeds. The crossbeds are composed of
a top curve called the topset, the slope called the
foreset, and the bottom curve that levels out called
the bottomset. It is claimed that these are fossil
sand dunes - from a desert! Now obviously we
have a problem - if the layers we see in Grand
Canyon were laid down by a world wide flood in
one year, you cannot have a desert right smack dab
in the middle of it all, right?
But are these desert dunes? When you actually see
the cross section of a desert dune, it has layers in it
that look like crossbeds, but actually the layers
conform to the shape of the dune. At White Sands,
New Mexico, some of the dunes have
crossbedding, but this crossbedding is partly
cemented, and actually the winds are destroying
these crossbeds, not making them.
Furthermore, when we take a look in those
crossbedded layers of the Coconino sandstone, we
find fossil footprints - lots and lots of them. They
were made from what appeared to be some kind of
lizard or amphibian. There are a number of unusual
characteristics of these fossil footprints: For
instance, there is no tail drag markings. Everyone
believes these creatures had a tail, so why did the
tail leave no markings in the sand? One logical
explanation would be because these sands weren't
in a desert, but were underwater and the animal's tail
is being bouyed up by the water. This also would
explain the fact that the trails of fossil footprints
almost always go only uphill, and many of the trails
"crab track" - as if the animal was fighting a flow of
water trying to walk up hill. In a short distance, the
footprints will go from very deep, to shallower, to
claws only, to completely disappearing. Did the
animal grow wings and fly away? None of this
makes sense within the model of desert dunes.
However, it makes complete sense if the
crossbedding was made underwater.
Professor Clark, engineer Andrew Rodenbeck and
myself were conducting experiments in a flume at
Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Texas a
few years ago. A flume is just a big box with clear
sides that we run water and dirt through. We found
that when we tilted the flume uphill and forced the
water to go uphill, the sediments dropped out in the
form of crossbeds! It turns out all it needed was
standing water - the flow coming in is moving fast
enough to pick up and carry the dirt. But when it hits
the standing water, it comes to a stop, can no
longer hold onto the sand, and drops it, much like a
continually lengthening conveyor belt.
We had Dr. Carl Baugh, director of the museum,
get us some amphibians from the pet store, some
newts. We placed those in the flume while
producing crossbeds, and wound up mimicking
exactly what we see in the coconino sandstones.
The amphibians tended to recluse themselves to the
bottomset, as there was an eddy there. To escape,
the newts would walk UPHILL, be picked up by
the water and swept away - often they would be
swept right back to the bottomset again by the
currents.
But the clincher came in the form of a presentation
at the 2009 Geological Society of America
conference by Cheung, et al. The researchers found
dolomite and ooids all throughout the Coconino
sandstone - dolomite and ooids are formed in water,
not a desert. So the Biblical catastrophe model
explains huge formations like the Coconino
sandstone far better than any model involving
deserts and deep time.
But yet we're taught in school that the rock layers
we see around the world are the result of deep time
- millions of years of slow sediment accumulation
produced the rock layers we now see around the
world. There are so many reasons to deny this
story that it's difficult to know where to begin, but
one easy to understand evidence is polystrate
fossils. Polystrate is a term used to describe fossils
that are found cutting through multiple rock layers:
poly for many, strate for the strata of rock it cuts
through. Polystrate fossils are literally found all over
the world. Joggins, Nova Scotia is probably the
most famous example. At any given time you can
usually see 50 polystrate fossils in the fossil cliffs.
The fossils there are trunks of giant, hollow reeds
known as lycopods and calamites.
Obviously the top of the plant is not going to stick
around while the plant gets slooowly buried for even
TENS of years - let alone thousands, or millions,
right? So obviously these layers did not even take
tens of years to be laid down - let alone thousands
or millions. In fact, this one particular trunk was
buried ON AN ANGLE, which is even more
profound evidence these layers were laid down in
rapid succession.
This scenario fails to fit the facts
on many levels. For example, here we see a fossil
root from one of the lycopods. At each of those
dimples a rootlet radiated out from the root. You
can see the rootlets in the surrounding rock. Yet
here is one of the stumps at Joggins: let's take a
close up look at the roots. Notice something
missing? The rootlets have been stripped off.
Obviously this plant was ripped up, transported by
water and buried where it now is. It is evidence of
catastrophe, not deep time. This stump was buried
upside-down. Now last I checked, plants don't
grow very well upside down. There were dozens of
these upside down polystrate stumps at a coal mine
in Alberta.
The Joggins fossil cliffs are a mute testament to the
greatest catastrophe the world has ever seen: close
to 18,000 vertical feet of rock layers that were
obviously laid down in real short order. The layers
that do not have polystrate trunks cutting through
them are identical to the ones that do. There is no
deep time involved here.
I go into more detail in my chapter on the Joggins
Fossil cliffs in the book "Rock Solid Answers"
available through the Creation Research Society.
However the most powerful evidence of Noah's
flood probably comes from the incredible erosion
that happened as the flood waters left the land. All
around the world we find strange features that
CANNOT be explained by present-day processes
or deep time, but are explained beautifully within the
model of a global flood. We find hundreds of water
gaps and wind gaps all around the world. A water
gap is a canyon that was cut -by water- through a
mountain, but the water could have gone AROUND
the mountain. Grand Canyon is probably the most
famous example of a water gap - it cuts through the
Colorado uplift, when it could have gone around the
uplift. Here in the rattlesnake mountains in
Wyoming, we see a textbook case of a watergap. A
hydroelectric dam was built in the canyon, but yet
when you look at the canyon from behind, you see
that it has been cut right through the mountain. Yet if
you turn to the right, you can see that the water
could've gone around the mountain - in fact, when
engineers constructed the dam inside the canyon,
they had to build a dam at the side of the mountain
to keep the water from going around it! Geology
experts have noted this weird anomoly that cannot
be explained - experts who have studied these
water gaps have acknowledged that these gaps
cannot be explained by faults in the rocks for
example. When visiting Grand Canyon, we are told
that the mighty Colorado river carved Grand
Canyon! Even standing on the shores of the
Colorado river, it's not that big! And the fact that
the river would have to climb thousands of vertical
feet before it could start cutting the canyon, tells you
that there's a problem with the theories involving
deep time.
However, if there was a worldwide flood, the water
is starting ABOVE the mountains, and as it picks up
speed leaving the land, it will cut through anything in
its path - including mountains, even if it could go
around the mountain.
Planation surfaces are another profound evidence of
a world-wide flood. A huge chunk of the mountains
on the Eastern seaboard of Canada have had their
tops planed off flat. Back at Joggins again, you can
see the results of slow and steady erosion over time,
as the tides whittle away at the rocks. The rocks
that are softer of course get eroded away first, and
the harder rocks wind up jutting out of the water.
This is called differential erosion - the rocks erode
DIFFERENTLY. However, take a look at the top
of the cliffs - notice that the same rock layers have
been cut off flat - so flat you could stick a ruler on it.
There is only one thing that could do that:
Extremely fast moving water. Water moving so fast,
that rock hardness did not matter.
The east coast planation starts in Nova Scotia, to
the southwest of the Cape Breton highlands. If you
can get to a good viewing spot, you'll notice that the
Cape Breton highlands are actually a planation
surface - they've been planed off flat! Turning
around and looking towards Newfoundland, you
see the same thing. If you go over to Newfoundland,
you'll notice the mountains there too are planed flat
at the same elevation - it's the same planation
surface. If you head up the Northern Peninsula, all
the mountains have been planed off flat. If you head
up into Labrador, if the mountain reaches that
critical elevation, it's planed flat. This planation
surface is huge. It hits the highest elevation around
the Corner Brook area, but averages around the
500 meter elevation. Only one thing could do this:
Extremely fast moving water. Glaciers would not do
this, as glaciers, by definition, flow downhill, and
carve gouges - not planation surfaces. But in order
to cut rock without being influenced by rock
hardness means the water had to be flowing in a
sheet moving many tens of kilometers per hour -
quick guess, at least 40 kilometers per hour, bare
minimum. This wall of water stretched for over 800
kilometres wide, or wider. We watched in horror
as tsunamis hit Indonesia in 2004, and Japan in
2011. The massive wall of water moving across the
landscape, causing tremendous damage, and yet that
water may - MAY - have hit 25 or 30 kilometers
per hour. So how fast was the water that cut the
mountains of eastern Canada? To answer this, we'll
head to the mountains of western Canada.
The Cypress Hills interprovincial park straddles the
Alberta/Saskatchewan border. The mountain has
also been planed off flat, about 1,000 meters in
elevation. But the planation surface is covered in
rounded rocks made of an extremely hard rock
called quartzite. The rocks have circular hammer
marks all over them. The rocks were obviously
picked up by water and hammered against each
other as they were being carried along. But the
rocks are so large, that the water would have had to
have been moving a minimum of 110 kilometers per
hour! Here's the other thing: These rocks didn't
come from Alberta, they came from at least 800
kilometers away, in Idaho. The rocks probably
made the trip in under 10 hours. A wall of water,
about 1,000 meters above sea level, picking up
rocks in Idaho, and transporting them to Alberta at
speeds exceeding 110 kilometers per hour, is a
global flood. This simply cannot be explained any
other way! The evidence for a world-wide flood is
profound and overwhelming. The evidence is all
around you, you just need to know what to look for.
Lastly, when we take a look around the world, we
see hundreds of stories, legends and myths of a
world wide flood in virtually every culture in the
world. This is also profound evidence that a great
flood did occur, within the memory of mankind. One
example of one of these flood legends is found on
the back of the Canadian $20 bill - an artist's
rendition of the Inuit story of Noah and the ark.
This is only one of hundreds of similar stories.
Some have suggested that the Biblical account of a
world-wide flood was actually just copied from the
epic of Gilgamesh, because the epic of Gilgamesh is
older than the Bible. Now wait a minute: Even if it is
older, so what? We have literally hundreds of
accounts of a massive flood all over the world - the
epic of Gilgamesh is only one of hundreds. If you
had seen a report of an event in various newspapers
that all reported a similar story, but one newspaper
came out before the rest, would you assume that the
other newspapers simply copied the first? Of
course not. Secondly, the account of the flood in
the epic of Gilgamesh has fatal flaws - the "boat" as
described is a cube, and clearly not seaworthy, yet
models of Noah's ark, based on the dimensions
provided in the Bible, have proved remarkably
stable in wave tests.
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Ian M. wrote in from Ottawa,
Thanks for writing in Ian. The question of "What
killed the dinosaurs?" is a fun topic which I'll briefly
discuss here, but would encourage viewers to
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catch bonuses and extras like CrEvo rant # 17 for a
fun and funny look at the question what killed the
dinosaurs? I also go into detail in a previous
newsletter article here:
I've had the privilege of excavating dinosaurs and
dinosaur tracks at a number of locations in North
America. I've also had the privilege to go and study
several dinosaur graves and trackway sites. The
typical story we are told is that the dinosaurs were
killed when a giant asteroid slammed into earth, and
the resulting effects killed off the dinosaurs. We are
told that the evidence for this impact comes in the
form of a rare earth called Iridium which is found in
the layer containing the dinsoaurs, as well as
shocked quartz, tektites and glass beads found with
the dinosaurs. Shocked quartz, tektites and glass
beads can be found associated with impact craters,
produced by the tremendous impact forces caused
by the impact of the asteroid.
I am going to steer clear of the majority of problems
with this model, and focus on some of the basics.
First, where's the crater? Many have pointed to the
astrobleme known as the Chixulub crater on the
Yucatan peninsula, in Mexico. I'd first like to point
out that it is an INTERPRETATION that this
circular feature is a crater - it might not even be a
crater! But let's go on the assumption that it is a
crater.
Conventional geologists using conventional
radiometric dating on core samples taken at the
chixulub crater dated the impact as happening
300,000 years BEFORE the death of the dinosaurs.
Secondly, Heaman et al, dating a hadrosaur leg
bone, concluded this hadrosaur was still alive
700,000 years AFTER the alleged impact! I don't
believe these dates, I'm just pointing out that using
the evolutionists own dates, you've got dinosaurs still
living 1 MILLION YEARS after the alleged
chixulub impact!
Obviously, if that's the case, then said impact had
absolutely nothing to do with the demise of the
dinosaurs. Furthermore, no iridium has been found
associated with the chixulub crater, and iridium has
been found in layers both above, and below the
layer of dinosaurs remains! We also now know that
iridium is expelled in vast quantities by volcanoes!
Shocked quartz can be produced by an asteroid
impact, yes, but it can also be produced in a number
of other ways. For example, there is quite a bit of
evidence that the continents divided rapidly - not
over millions of years, but perhaps days or weeks.
The continental crust contains a lot of quartz, and
thus impacting continents can also produce things
like shocked quartz. If the shocked quartz found
with the dinosaurs was from an impact, then there
should be a higher concentration of it the closer you
get to the impact. Instead, the quartz is very evenly
distributed around the world.
The glass beads found are simply silica - a form of
quartz, which was melted and rapidly cooled,
probably in water. Tektites are a really nifty looking
form of melted quartz that cooled while falling
through the air. Again these glass beads and
tektites, if they came from an impact, should have a
higher density closer to the impact, instead, they too
are evenly distributed, indicating they did not come
from a point source. Notice though, that these can
all be produced by violent volcanoes.
But the real evidence as to what killed the dinosaurs
comes from the dinosaurs themselves. Even though
I disagree with their views and interpretation, I
highly recommend that you visit the Royal Tyrell
Museum in Drumheller, Alberta. As you tour
throughout the museum, pay close attention to the
interpretive plaques. Over and over and over again,
as you read about the dinosaurs on display, they say
things like "This dinosaur drowned." "This herd of
dinosaurs was killed trying to cross a raging river."
"This dinosaur must have drowned in a lake." Over
and over again we see that WATER killed the
dinosaurs - now why would they say that? It's
because THAT"s what the evidence shows! When
we find the dinosaurs, we find them typically ripped
apart and buried together with fossil clams that
were buried alive. When we find dinosaurs
relatively intact, they are found in what is called the
"death pose" with their heads pulled back - evidence
of drowning and rapid burial. All the evidence
points to the dinosaurs being drowned in a massive
flood. But this was no meandering river - for
example, this is a map of the Morrison formation, a
formation containing untold numbers of fossil
dinosaurs, in which I have actually excavated
dinosaurs. The formation covers ten states and
three Canadian provinces. This was no river or small
flash flood. This was a massive flood on the scale of
a global flood. It was Noah's flood that killed the
dinosaurs that we find.
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