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my position rep where all the horse trainers
i don't know
their thing that uh...
when it comes too
to the mecca
or itself
everyone of us
notwithstanding
her or his level
that they have to be response when anyone
you know five people in repeating this but uh... uh... uh once you know some
seventeen introduce came to me and saying we have to avoid others politics
has nothing to do is is that we have
folded leaders the way they are because displeased god's will and that's it
but and by saying we should not be involved in politics mario on someone's
but this is politics when he refused to be involved in politics this is politics
in itself
it's a decision
this is one as a human being we have a collection
certainly of where all responsibly utah raid into war on
it's governments for ourselves
it stopped was also
of course
yes very much in costs when you come
uh... where and basic connected phases is
on this day at
that on the week
the for ourselves
but we have to store
a community
and the community is not the only muslims communities hasn't mandela who
was saying
winds and the is is
human brotherhood
that pressure is in which we you all
uh... survey and youth
will be human community
degree human communities in other countries provide copy which is uh...
reported the news the pentagon
best mon dieu is the best we mandate will
this is politics this is the starting point of serving
and the right governments is not the government
to be served by the people but is that we can serve the people
so you would say that
thinking about politics or something which is far from home and do you know
it's very much about st paul principles
and in fact
in fact let me put it back
because in divorce metaphor there is something that we don't get
infected
attitude of human being if you want to go towards riots and good governance
you always stop by resisting
for understanding of you had
is not single on at work
i think that tulip
is to go through blogs
the g happened she had means two things
resisting and reforming
resisting and reforming is products resisting what is bad comparable model
went down in bangkok is to resist but this bad reformed what his group
days he's or david dot on an individual basis neglected basis
and he told us that this
the starting point of of life was god is resistance and resistance mean courage
by doing what
looking at the situation looking apollo or failures looking at what the society
is doing
so for example if you like do you do you have to stop resisting resisting took or
injustices in yourself
reporting justices within the society
but what you have to do
east of changes for the better
so my understanding that mister
my understanding of what it means to be a human being is
too while you're resisting
and in which we called for
i'm they would know which head of human being to call
this is a static but this is universal at the same
will be we talk about society
mostly we need to begin
are you saying we need to begin with hassle
is that will state
no i i i would say we have to do both at the same time
uh... because this is this is you learn from
you know there is something which is very strange in the way you read it in
the world and that you understand that this is common to all of you
uh... disparate rank these are not saying you re but
behind the tradition of buddhist tradition jewish tradition and the
christian tradition to muslim tradition
and installed by since the the boxes condition
they also something which is very interesting
infected don't stop with yourself and that's and then you go to the world in
fact is your interaction with the world which is bringing you back to yourself
and he had never seen this
centurion acting i think that that they were can proceed and we are going to
show their costs are asking the right thing and in bed sets the you know first
outside games it came back to you
and this is exactly the way we have to do the really
restricts
deal with of in fact
we did was cost society how are you going to
jackie experience something which has to do with that person is be adjusted but
you look at yourself during the night the sound selfish environment legal
exhibit
it's you can go it's going to be perceived as being in the way your
picture resolver she can't feel it's gets that's why i have a problem here
how are you going to do with your own lack of generosity you don't see that's
the correct haven't about terms
it's from are that
and these kids were in politics in governments and anything which has to do
with a lot is not
access for myself and go to the world called to the wall
an actress for myself by dealing with the world would be sending the message
is undisputed that way
that we have to do is just so so if you want to move to to to test the lack of
car expect to make that
right to carter
is going to come you know because even hear i'm always thinking organ evening
at the field up to operate just that sneezing
car it is not here characters in your daily life in the way you deal with are
always the party into we need to do with it so
it's not wants and then the out
it's always the two together
and when that we have the had decent team and we did see the way it was that
these is increasing and decreasing when sold it for now i'm a uh... it's it's
going to be called for a
to a action so actions outwards
that comes back to your protecting in war so you test inward level
of qal
uh... edgy kal
uh... execute who do we deal with with swiss people outside so i think with the
passport
akhmed
some people are saying
educate yourself first and then you come back to do
the activities i think it's going to get
okay yes please
yourselves book-to-bill uh...
not having scripture revelation
as a guy course and then we have
the other side talk about incidents and all russian don't deduction
any sort of a into
what we call the mathematics
the ones who you know
the ones who was statement description of what it used to be one posing goes i
think how do we talked about that
and allies and such unappealing that
yet so let me start with the last question and combine
back to me to the first one
but i think that uh...
three things are important
feel that you are losing your principles and you don't know how do you deal with
the surrounding world
it's clear that bach the texts is going to protect seeds which is what the world
is
so the text is perceived
inside
stock prices ask a reference to the protective dress
and that's normal it's normal to come to the tax because he need to be protected
from the world
now the problem here is the way you combat thanks
is not the correct but i would say it has been the worst we both agree we have
to come back to protect the problems problem come back to tax
and having to use the context of that said
the second thing is
for some people with you
at the fact that you quoted text
exiting the u_n_ calls for and and is
uh... binary vision is at the very simple
quarter but that's the theory you interested ok texas a and its you don't
have to think about
this is why we saw the senate predictor is when you are also looking wisdom
they are very quick to come to the conclusion by quoting the text permits
as equal i'm not i'm not really my mind and transporting text
sam sorry two quarts
is to decide to quote cousteau interpret the text but they are very quick and
indeed in in this black and white it's the sex
the gates
you know innovation people did you know there
uh... and this is their because it's the gives you leading to a very simple
also
to uh... a question and you have now
people interpreting everything which is happening in the middle east for example
by quoting the participants redirected
soaking so if its return that's it's black and white that's it
so unless you pull that the the the the door
two interpretations to more comparable
you you feel because that that's the same so this is the second or
and a third is something which has to do with the the the missed in psychology to
be gives
uh... once again
uh...
all what they were saying
the principal
is the less exposed your ought to critical thinking doable confident you
you feel lives
wisdom universal reference to the we we thought
in in in
it's not exactly the same as being the truth is very much that we we are
dealing with our reference ***
something which is protecting house from any critical discussion
having said that
uh...
today
what is important used was that the second act i don't like some of the
students and
and teacher centimeters acted towards the ordinary muslims
uh... working brown that had that stated that this is just that
no i think we have bears stick it in mind
for all legends as we have to respect the federal health problems for yourself
i respect is said to be of interest conservative
i don't have a problem with this
this kind of arrogant position but i think you don't
uh... it's the starting point of
and political stand with us on the pollack friends with things that we have
to respect is
now having said this it doesn't mean that we have to accept this week we
should be critical by saying
i don't agree with your conclusions i don't agree with the way
you deal with this group of sources
and this is what
in this particular case it is not do in the discussion that you had
it's we have people it's known in the honey yet it's one of the spectrum
say in fact
what we have to do with it comes exams company of the questions that you just
cost me
just because of the told his
it was saying tickled references off
although i could references are coming from the depths of youth
alarm but stages this is coming from the dates we have to refer
the montana
is an auditor essay no it's coming from the text by powell martin's producing
expressway is producing
account for jews
morality and the people that
in the light of what the text to say that we have
that way
and and i mean it's up there is something which is
morality
is and should be intellectually explain kind of just only referring to the best
inbetween
we have not read the book to read it yet
it's another trend say who could see between it's between had not been
wallach it's between the text
and uh...
the that humans into it
and the defense walks this sort of tradition is saying here at the
mainstream but not only we have been trends here is to see
ethics is of course for the region viewpoint of course epics is produced by
the religious reference
but not alone
yemen insects can produce political
values that are going to be overlapping with things that we pointed the script
for sources so this is why for example when someone is coming and say
coming from the uh... a secular
uh... background and say there's something that i'm not going to discuss
which is the dignity of human being
from religious viewpoint completely agree with this one because we find it
department well out there on the video we gave dignity to human being
so on this
you come from different rooms but you've got to the center
uh... with the stage for that
this is what i was expanding in the book called the philosophy of pyramids the
quest for meaning
saying we have different foods
sumeet the same educ all uh... it equal principles
confined here that are rational
there are religious yeah spiritual but at the same compusa
this is possible
okay so that in mind at ease it
processes that he he has come to perfect noble character
so
the question is do
operate within a mainstream q_v_c_ too
uh... perfect
democracy is that how it is that allegation or are we going to be working
in in in in a different
yes
something which
should be understood by by by the muslims and also lower for the citizens
there is this stage
abide the profit
uh... his department's anything about what can you tell him about you know was
set by it
but in
uh... completes to beauty five two
to just
uh... com whereas
all the good characters that are needed for human being
but by saying this implicitly what he said is
this
a cuban values web here before
so he comes just two complete not to a stop to gain the whole thing
meaning that in history
coming from
that all the manatees *** traditions or other human contours and experiences
weekend part
ethical values that web they're the peace plan is coming just to confirm
and to at some time things that were not there and uh... the the the the the
previous tradition
so it's very much then
their are common ground step-up comment that
so when it comes to democracy for example
are am
i would say from the starting point in our discussion on democracy
hi i would just
applies
all of us most sensible people of other base
just to be clear from what we are talking about
when we talk about the moms
democracy when people are saying it's a universal bag to say i'm sorry democracy
he's a historical model
it's not that bad
democracies amado
so the motto is based on principles i want to discuss the principles i'm not
going to be to fall into the trial by saying always a universal model no it's
not a universal model yes
by the way if you look at all the democracies in the west even in europe
we have and many models has countries in the west
so it's not the universal bag
it's not a universal model
is this
it dissolve margolis
based of common principles
and what i have tried to do is
let ask of the principles and then
discuss the models
and approved the principles off always repeat the six principles that we have
it's rural school equaled citizenship
universal suffrage accountability separation of power and the distinction
between
deal forgive the state and the authority of religion which bind awaits more since
we don't have a problem with this
we never have been church
imposing go to the state we don't have this
it might be that they study reference codes
believe the role
but to say that the eleven that should
being the the head of the states
we never had this this as discussion which date discussion that we don't make
a difference between this to a party
it's as if he was saying there is no difference between
and more about that when i bet that
any standard is the difference between all relationship to god and our
relationship to the cats stand
and that is something which he is coming along from on high when it comes to the
religious authority and the bigger shake-up authority when it comes to
politics this is the very essence offshore up so we don't have a problem
with the six principles
so as
there uh... someone who is dealing with my tradition they say
i would wine these principles
aquatic act of these principles
things that have to do with that makes
transparency no corruption at something which has to do with antics in politics
in debt when we discussed democracy
uh... i would go for four p net cost agree on the principle dot indisputable
i don't have a problem with the six principles
now
as someone who is dealing with the ma petite models what i have to do as a
citizen
but i have to do as good most visitors a i want to have to do it then any case it
isn't all at the christian citizen is to bring these principles and to say
what included today is the consistency between these principles
and uh... implementation our society
and we see that this is what we should
improve democracy as i was saying
all these principles all good
but when you have economy powers of transnational corporations
taking over anything which has to do with the the the the the the power of
the state
you have questions to ask when corruption is everywhere where for
example you have lobbies
while deciding within the parliament's uh... what he's going to be uh... the
the future
you know decisions political decisions
you have to be critical so as someone who he is
in uh... you know when i was writing the book about the parable weakening
happy birthday
potion and we following the footsteps of the west that showed up at democracies
or the new ab democracies follows the western democracies that
a look at what's the sexism i would never never otherwise
this solace to do what we are doing in the north
because our democracies are going through
uh... crisis and the first one is about
economic power
the second one is about populism
properties emotional politics when u
you get to meet ya in our societies
you can get the people
it's just said iran something which has to do with spears whereas uh... too
frightened the people
anyway and that that and
that's will go that we have connections and we have to celebrate the election
in the united states of america but we won't know
it's a question of money you don't have money away never b
uh... a president in the country these as simple as that
so what brings ample
uh... barrack obama just before he was elected two years ago he told us
uh... what time awards over a it's everything is and that he's not talking
about this and he will never speaking pia were living in the deal where about
has five it's not because he doesn't want to talk to do so he competently
impossible what because the people what pain
are the people who are directly his political discourse
so you can say for blowing the footsteps of united states no
my point is
i will agree with the principles but i'm going to be critical
as to the implementation of these principles
in the west
and this doesn't mean that we have to is still minds
democracy
we have to make democracy is more consistent with
the very principles well preaching from within
and i think that this is the center of all of us
organization question
you describing all these challenges that we have
requested
democracies
we see
economic system for the for the policy
culture campaign last year we had the right thing
and you seem to be the gap between the rich and poor
do you think
dvd speaking
on it
he's weston
howell western democracy dot but now
and deducting actors into working within the structures or is it is it time to so
oppressed pressed agent to see
twcable something else
profession views and opinions of those
then ruth ann aron
uh...
no i i i i
i don't act on go that way in in the nine we have thinking about and which
way
we have to take a bow expecting that within their the market systems na
uh... what we have to do is really too much to to be involved when we get to
have to do with these kind of or
uh...
wait what these two imported then we would have been one of the it's not
going to work
now it's clear that
uh...
uh... than the market models d all the wall
and uh... the worst as well as in the most of the treaty countries
uh... have to be reassess and we need to
line we off
beat me on one thing
is to stop talking about the political structure of without talking about or
the centers of power
there is no
no ways
and we contrary on discussing
political power
without being involved in the discussion about the conduct power
always you know
just look at what happened uh... what
you know the hard way
for the lost three years the only question that we had keys
uh... are we going to have to democracies anthony which we're going to
be transplanted who is going to be difficult for him
these are secondary question is when it comes to economy x to be was going to
decide
remember that barrack obama when he spoke about just after the tunisian you
did you what say
the haha peaceful was about the kind of support is that the other and to put the
money
right to support it
so them opportunity uh... powers have also to do was who is financing and in
which was going to work
so i think that
the first advocate is not is not to to to think about
new model
but to have a new approach which is a more comprehensive approach you or do
they mention
and i i didn't see institute of art
economy factors
my main concern today as is
what is the very essence of the the market models if we don't talk about
economy justin's
and the economy stupid what isn't bad and once again it's not new leads as or
as or what was said during the nineteenth century
by uh... the marxist approach say stop talking about the political structure as
they are not ready to talk about the economy dynamic
and i think that this is what we have to do as well
and questioning
signing uh... my name is august ninth i'm from uh... sauce
um...
and so uh... earlier you were sort of talking about um...
the that really amal sort of being one of resistance and sort of of resistance
enough and reformation
um... and so i i i guess my question is is that if we sort of stay with that
logic and we can we stick to those principles fairly universal principles
uh... i mean what is the end result of that is sort of conflict with the
surrounded society
as is actually what happened with the case of the profit or what if our it and
we can reduce it down to something like activism
say struggling for civil liberties either in western countries of the
country's you know uh... mean what if the end result of that is conflict and
kind of
some irreconcilable
you know difference
me an example
ronald
well i think the example i was thinking that was the one you were using some
profit example
of mac
profited of having to yet if we can show
and so i mean i guess the question asking is when we do that when we meet
resistance from cyclical sectors economic sectors or such as around
community what's in your view what's the best way to go about sort of dealing
with that i think it's a very good one
because uh...
when we all of the evening was respects
and understand the very beginning to be involved in our life
at the end of the day
you know even when we speak i would carry out hasn't we'll
the peaceful to the principles of the beginning
the or you want weight
as a human being
a dignified line
is to resist because we know
you mandy all
anything which have to do with corruption oppression these is going to
happen
its debt
and the first to be like this if you want you go
expression of your when he goes to resistance
here's intrinsic
the intrinsic dimension of the being this is what
we need to educate pops up
and the second is not reform nation in the way we talk about keeping the
religious used were full
ourselves into what this law massacre
wonderful quiet is
change yourself and change
this around site
when it comes to this there's something which is clear
it just serious about this you are going
maze people
we don't have to say
ethical perspectives and objectives
as you you have
and you have the other it's going to be in the name you know
anyone whose going
whirlpool keys should be ready to struggle against people who are not
ready
so working for peace means tracking
it's extract this resistance to hold the oppressors
so when it comes to our society
or the muslims to be in the u_k_ for example
who wants to be good citizens and the are just
trying to be a lot by the people around you don't get it
if you are he had to be locked no we are he had to be respected
and to be respected these to be able to be loyal to your country but loyal to
accomplish in the name of principles
and in the name of bs
needs to be created a lot
is to be able to spend pop into c_q_ government i'm not going to accept what
you are doing in the name
of my country
so these is the starting point of being politicize being politicized in the name
of your principles is first to stop by resisting had to be courageous
now some of the people here
are british
and get on with this on the same time
and a half christians and jews should uh... citizens and
and blended and it is that what
the only common ground that we have peace to step up our principles
and to say that they are things that are donning on main uh... an acceptable i'll
be ready to resist on up
on dot the though the muslims today tried to fire at believes what they are
lot by the people by being invisible
in politics
to be invisible and to keep quiet
this is lack of
karke this is not consistent is is compromised
in this country you have some of your
from the citizens dot and you don't know why
you have been extradited to the united states of america
injured when they are going to be torturers
all putting situation that's not acceptable
we have people walk fed to war to two wars in iraq and
why what are they doing that
and it's not acceptable
they are people in the job market he'll walk discriminated
that's not
deaf people when they try to find housing are discriminated and not
learning lessons black people today this country
artist obviously mandated
are we said this is what we need to resend
in order to make this aside to better
so the starting point is resistance but there is no resistance was awkwardness
and power
college is the first attitude of people are dealing with politics
what is going to be the end of the whole thing
and this is not to know peaceful and people are
not going to be somewhat
it's not going to be peace in law it's going to be peace with the peaceful
people
is going to be struggled with the people who are pressing
who want twenty power
that the and this is something that uh... rehab
the messenger
peace be upon g
with message of
peeps and he had to strike
people wanted to kill
so we need to to get this from the very beginning and it's not only was the the
last messenger
it was the scene with jesus abroad to sing with was if what they're saying we
support the the people you know we are celebrating their
uh... gandhi he was jail
but there are also lost in the great demand a lot
and a lot more than twenty-four used g
often now say
or dispute the funeral
peeps
he was perceived as a terrorist
so i think that we need to keep this in mind informs them
how regions we should be
hi and make it
uh... i'm going now let's see and my question has to do at the recent events
in libya and throughout the uh... muslim world with the video that was made
so you're talking about
taking the values of democracy
and making them more consistent so why
uh... i was actually in morocco at the time and i heard a lot of
muslim sort of talking about
what is this free speech that allows someone
to make a video like this that causes so much trouble
so what is your sort of response still
the way that western democracy deals with
free speech verses
how
critics of what had happened which obviously was awful
uh... like what would your response in sort of aid rematch inning of western
democracy be to this sort of situation
somehow my name is
uh... and time and recent graduate gingrich anti vintage anna
teaching that seller connie
and my question relates to the conflict off human rights
and especially n
how do you think but what do you saiful and
religious groups responding to the issues stemming from conflict of rights
especially as we have quality act two thousand ten which has anything bad
about seven percent characteristics and they've been a recent string of cases
day say a christians refuse to m form a civil partnership
so at my question to you is that if the legal stand it's and into breast
intuition is the separation between you and morality is he proposed istic
approach
how how does and hija islamic groups all religious groups respond to this
philosophical debate wit it's actually coming or not so or you can do is go to
our your quotes unsaved
uh... yo-yo right to petition facets of the else's rights to equality
my question is weekend we can agree on principles of quality freedom a set
track as as most people can't but it's giving content to this principle such as
a quality which is quite different in those two method
saudi come miami's ibrahim uh...
and just graduated intrinsically of ceo
uh... forgiving of my question is uh... itzel
um...
my my question is uh...
you made reference to democrat democracy being uh... an implementation of a set
of principles
we can only make it is la meet by making them consistent with
islamic values
annual state adults does set of principles a my question is uh... must
we operate on the same set of
union buster principles because when you look at when you take in
critical look at the principles themselves down
not except universal take
for example um... universal suffrage some
uh... each is arguable dot uh...
a so-so freed should not be universal because them on did drunk
industry to do not to be call
choosing the government to do the ruler sheik for instance
uh... this the the scene minded person up and if you look at each of those
principles you'd see dot com
the as beyond the polls that could be exploited
you want you to presuppose themselves so must we
uh... operate on the scene
set off principles
uh... i'm just uh... make them consistently down values all we can
actually reform mission are
revolutionize uh... everything and to bring down set of principles altogether
api uh... ants
with the first question of what did you
and what you saw
uh... excluded
different being you have to say
you started by saying it's all one and
was you know meant to be it's approved kyshin
and uh... if you do was on internet for the
three months before nanny was
it was that way of provoking something and it succeeded in in doing so
now having said that in able to see you
uh... washington state's soul
it's sold
uh... uh...
that itself and and and and
negative perception and and the message that was that
was so
knowing anything and everything i i think that
my my
reaction to these was first to say we have to be
very clear
on the fact that freedom of expression
it's the right to meet me you know was we had some with them and i think you're
saying we need morgan's blasphemy
i'm not going back acting it's not the point so
my reaction to
this was to say to the muslims
the or
so take a critical distance from this and if you go on my website and see that
they will two articles
uh... street after this
uh... you have them in in the english side of the the the the the website
responding to this by saying the to get
and also because i was up in the states at that time
i had to respond to you i think we need to take a critical distance and to look
beyond and not to reacted these provocations
by saying this it's important to understand that some people are trying
to forgiveness kentucky or emotional politics and they know that he's going
to work
uh... now
we have to see rethink their equipment the first is
weston was there
when they had to deal with his in bandar
and then in the netherlands then indices
that reacted by way
behind the setting they know what is happening what we have in muslim
majority countries is some trends
sometimes literally sometimes popular stuff are working on
and using this you know
us versus them your arm almost since the few off against the west end date
they are indulging in something which is really just pop it is
and we need to understand that why the people are reacting to this is because
they have money out of frustration zapata coming or no from
uh... unemployment poverty and windy city you know the west
uh... was all this you know
mind the and while and and comfortable
ridiculing the religion and i was also saying to to some people in the west
look
you have to getty
uh... a right
you are at criticizing and we do you get it
uh... what is in foreign in this hour's
the way for people to survive because the the secret with ben is what
uh... against them
distress to survive and then you are sitting here
with audio privileges and and mocking the people by saying look at this and
and and you
you expect them not to react
it doesn't justify what was done
but it has to explain
why do reactions op uh... like this
from populism
to people who are reacting because the fear that they are not respected he'd
walk ayala
uh... brinks uh... are of protect them
now that
the second discussion is about freedom of expression
by saying
we have to celebrate the to protect freedom of expression
but we also have to to add something
we have right
and we have to cherish these rights
but there is something which here's
a simple allies
hiding response
bt of using our rights the right way
so it's a question of
it's not because it's me good enough to be glad that you can see
whatever you want is just a question of decency
it's a question of mutual respect so is it's me though that it's silly
and uh... uh... and and we have to keep *** repeating this study and of the day
interest exercising
we are not going to leave together
only bought a
at abiding by the rules
there's something which has to do tour uterus back
or cultural mutual understanding a culture where you don't top something
which is sensitive for other people unjustly these is my right to do it
and the last four it's just to make it clear and that was repeating this
you'd need to understand the collective psychology of societies and community
for example
you know in the west your
the the way we are dealing with extermination outdid jews during the
second world war
may then
made this experiences to start an experience
read something which is almost sacred did that we we deal with it
you jad needed be la
at the suffering
of the jews but you don't do it
you don't do it because it's a psychological trauma indeed european
memory
do something like this
so do we understand that in the collective psychology european societies
they don't laugh at this
so when for example some
uh... muslims in the netherlands to respond to the cartoons
inbound did this again is the truth is that to be done
you don't also were
by doing this scene
to something which is very sensitive they want the justice so uh... that
there is double standard
but my
what i wanted to see by saying this is
do we yes is reaching as sacred they mention end european psyche
it's exactly what religion is
in the most insight
is the scene never we don't know at things like this
so it's not because we now we need to roll to prevent outperformed the
it's just on this
dead did the psychology of the collective psychology that they are
picked up on legal we don't do them
because we know it's too sensitive
it's not to be done
so this is my counsel
ignore it
but explain
explain why because at the end of the date even knowing is good to avoid
controversy
explaining it's important to be together
it's the only way for us to be able stat to live together in in the future so
this was a little on sir
uh... for the first question but they will go
uh... about your question which is which is important here is that
it's true
but in the western experience you know what these legal is not what was
perceived as more so there is a distinction
it doesn't mean that
in legal terms
you abide by the bow of the country but you have the right as citizens
to be able to express
you moral concerns
on any
things which has to do is just the site
sadat's me but i'm not going to abide by dhl lol
but i would say for example a anything which has to do with the legality of
things but that we will be
that that you have the right to express my
ethical concerns when it comes to this
so it doesn't mean that you act against the mole
but sometimes its
it's it's the way
things out dont indignant terms that you have to all your except as a citizen
but you don't like as a human being
so this is something which here's
the right
every single bc school did freedom
freedom of conscience
generosity
so it's all about but this is something which we all you know it's not on the
phone with her is for processes for
sometimes you have to take the senate that
uh... if you decide to go for some position sometimes
you are going to acting than the of you all
the legal framework and what the society is
uh... allowing
but you don't agree with it
but this is something that we have everytime as a teacher
hesitate restore funds you have to teach it's you don't agree with that but you
all
rules in your view deep as a teacher eastern
dude
what these not
in agreement with your concerns but what the u_s_ popped of your duty as a
teacher some classic you have to be weak or to have sometimes
tensions between our morality and indeed the framework
uh...
as the person as an individual we can express our concern and our moral
background
now when it comes to you decided to go for job
and these job is uh... asking your under what his request that is for you to do
such and such and such do you think you have to do them
in the
the the clear respect
uh... fuel
contract implicit poppy seeds contract between you and the society
so this means
that sometimes we are in contradiction with some of are not moral values
uh... packets of always easy
sometimes their is something which you have
sometimes you can stop by saying i can't do this
it could be also
you know uh... in in times of war we know what is
a conscientious objection
and it could be even obviously tuition something that you can see i cannot do
this
you also have
sometimes to beat people to express this and buy low it's possible
and sometimes not so this is what
pensions
uh... a cure
this is reboot question back to talk about
uh... if you listen to to what they said i sat a and what not talking about the
the principles of democracy that we have to accept
uh... in toward the civilizations i was saying
if we go behind the principles of for ongoing will find that we can find
uh... principles of the set of principles but are not
at or was was
some of the principle that we find in democracy
but i wouldn't say that the we have to stop
but i think these are the principles and not at on the principles began ab our
principles and they would say from an eki bhul
uh... perspective we need to have you know i wrote a book that radical reform
uh... on this that there is one character went to
uh... a education and power and follow the state
add i'm trying to extract what could be
the objectives and the principles because i'm not only talking about the
principles because of the objectives why is it important to get the objectives
within the picture
by dealing with the objectives what is called an article mock authored
you've gets at something which there's a new way to deal with the principles and
according to state because this is exactly what you say what at the
principles of the qualities looking at the same level people will have no idea
about how it works
and people who are knowledgeable
which used by the way
something that would find in the chemist sold for the when you say
the the big problem with concentration or the dynamic of consultation is not
with ordinary people who is with act affidavit hide one marked people who are
knowledgeable about the issue
so you put the people of this e-mail but you're on the stand that
in some situation in social situations it could be the democracy of your needs
and the democracy that it is no longer a democracy always not longer a
consultation so we need to get the sense of what hobby objectives that we are
trying to to reach
so i would say
no and not just think six principles and that's it
i'm saying i don't have a problem with these six principles
now i want to pat
and edgy kal
uh... backdrop to the whole discussion and objectives to know what we want to
achieve i would say that the stairs
more
we'll be pretty cool
but the starting point of our discussion please don't not to speak about the
models but to speak about the principles and then
uh... because this is a very important question
is a very important question especially
the
uh... when we are facing populism
when well facing something which is the power of the media that began change
uh... you know
popping up opinions in such a way to safety
always deciding how are we going to construct this funeral uh...
uh... the negation of power decision
at the grassroots level
henry czerny although we did the we we are doing it
we might have to think about interactive
uh... strategies
at the same time surviving something which has to do is
the democracies of the eighties
because their needs are
easy to deal
with when it comes to power and money
uh... as you know
skulls
in individual liberty and freedom
uh... strong property rights
these are the suppose it precursors to economic development
based on kristin liberalism
how does that sort of
counter narrative emanating from the east
which is that
the eastern economies have developed and uh... collective
cooperative fraternal paradigm
the issue is where is this debate happening within islam we actually have
the fyi reticle ab principle in terms of the home
however
i haven't seen any
islamic eh... economic text so economists
discussing at length as to how weekend annually cold-war that weekend utilize a
lot of the lessons learnt
from countries like japan in the late nineteenth century or south korea
in the fifties and sixties or china in the last thirty years based on
principles of confusion isn't
what are your thoughts uh... on on this particular issue
tiny coming to keep accuracy
and i was wondering if you can't anne
said contemporary examples other models
inhibit the principal in disguised
and i know that you mentioned like
and hit andheri defective product offending during his time ninety seconds
models are necessary transferable to now
saturday if you have any
models now that we can look tio
a country where we can go to intention like i want to go to experience
treasurer
like yeah when you talk about peace be struggling certified these and have a
kind of having you know uh... like and abha that after bodywork organically
decree a
outreach society
and i think if you have any
sort of models that you would think
how we can also tale
my name is amanda thomas johnson appears to listed in exeter university is
uh... my questions about and the current sort of listed ethics office dirty i'm
circling in europe right now and we have governments i'm of course a pistol
spectrum uh... rotary tax rates uh... altering the welfare state and provision
uh... now
which is also and understand with islamic principles come into this
uh... because you have a number another perspectives been given uh... for
example you have some would say that i'm peter too dependent on wealth on welfare
eight
uh... means they should be taken away
empathy for the right and we have some would say that uh... people need more
uh... seem you know how how to be so truly
and the two sides between
i'm so self empowerment by people going out of the for themselves
and find a good job
and sort of people be independent
well have been some sort of
assistants injected off their children
maybe they come from your single-parent families is that just a trip howdy to an
exercise to go
okay i said i think um... that
first of all people actually get to the question of sitepoint
uh... i think dealt a blow to the end of the asthma leads us to have some issue
with you talking about their lives lists you know that the application of the
term
uh... that but you're talking about what he struck quite a few times rather talk
would be superficial it's as opposed to let you list but that's another matter
that there is a lot of the saying that there's a legitimate philosophical let's
listen to me that's that's another matter
but what i was actually going to hospitals following on from that
ismailis questionnaire early on
with regard to
uh...
presenting an alternative uh... model sometimes you know criticizing or
critiquing seven aspects of the dominant model present now
did the issue is that we not only facing uh... allot tempting to kind of provide
this alternative and kind of articulated but we also faced with the issue all of
what do you talked about it during the lecture culture
when when and muslim comes in articulates let's say
something which is not really that controversial any actually come to the
theory off if you talk about the contradictions of democracy arrows
theorem what he come and talk about you know that the problems other articulated
by some western scooter about two how do we define a quality for example
uh... which uh... did these a kind of like things which could be like uh...
convict dependents of adoptions all
the cult of democracy or whatever you want to call it
it's but a muslim comes the question these things in particular
the question mark is but always had an ex like
you're saying that the zeran extremist or you onset five trillion old
radicalized racing towards boeing is a vote on a bus to something parma as you
know and then the exit orbit
so you percent the thing is
how do we but what site it is would you recommend in order to
counter
this kind of issue like had gemini of culture
with regard to kind of muslims and the fact that it's a muslim articulating it
not somebody else and it was somebody else it would be less controversial
why did the same time unix 'cause we've got that pass which is the distracting
task and then on the other hand disincentives awesome actually providing
the critique and not getting lost
on the other hand
okay about the
you question about uh... what
if it's discussed not coming from an islamic perspective what
has been promoted been trinity mob we had we have nileen china
and presented very often as these on the principle
confused and is a man and
i think that is by the way it's very despicable is uh... it's uh... rereading
gov
the comp usa news tradition
in uh... chinese capitalists model that might be problematic and we had
they're interesting chinese philosophers say
be careful who is this you know
and uh... alumni saying computer news to exploit something which is all we are
not calling in the footsteps of the american capitalism
now we have an occasion capitalism
where something which is
uh... i kind of the new philosophy
we had
to studied this
but it's quite clear
if we want to be serious about this today is that there is no
economy
returned to
that has been thought or discuss from an islamic perspective
except
from discussing means
no speculation no contrast bill usury and that's keeping recorded history
connie all recorded history client
it's even more dangerous than there is because what we are producing in the
name updates is stymied means
right
hegemony of the capitalist system
it's even worse than this
because
the great majority of the is the mists trans
which started at the beginning of the twentieth century as people who were
close to
liberation
uh... theology approve
on all the output
you know very you know i wrote a book called reformist thinkers and you can
see
even with the muslim brotherhood if you read what was and done
the first generation of the most improbable lives
grassroots
needle enterprise system and and being very much against the capitalist system
these plus completely lost and now the new generation of the people coming
in the name of the muslim brotherhood up in the name of the customers
on our kids happy or with through key is very much something which is
uh... indian name
the priorities self
politics
from islamic perspective
accepting
the
imposition of economy and the capitalist economy and the free market
so is quite clear and you know when you yet when you you you read what
wasp reviews by
transnational corporations state department
we didn't do and they are reassessing their relationship with that this
witness and their the reformers instruments
ended with the maturity countries is not the on that project
is based on the acceptance of the capitalist system
uh... undeterred experience is quite interesting to do
so
as im always putting it
if you all
at this movements
captains almost what
yukawa
and uh... the that rule you know
monarchies and old is it something that we know and i think that this is whether
he's an active our production
uh... in this uh... understanding
so all of this uh...
uh... these
passion that remarked out
maturity model
to be
and when i was writing to boot radical reform i put this in this is why for
example power
center that you have
right away i want you to just to be in touch was wisconsin these
lead fields what we are working on applied to submit techniques
because on this
is to challenge this concept of islamic economy and to see
islamic approach
on the study ethics in economy to try to think about alternatives
and it's not going to come on man
muslim i think that christians are doing
war it keep cool
of promoting what expereince is and some people have nothing to do was
the public much
uh... islamic
was up most of that's the problem
i would say that we have to do
to study these
uh... experiences
uh...
now brought
where to go with me if you sure
before the right place to live as muslim
that i'm joking
i have no model
uh... i really think that uh... uh... if you look at
netian
so if you look at the experiences national experts is
to be at based on on
what we are talking about that fits in politics and that we we are dealing with
the economy
uh... i don't see the ending was then majority country
that begins
that this is a model for the future
i can see transcend and
uh... dynamics and is no moving there is no
and uh... once again when uh... it started with the hard way
uh... when i was saying that the young generation of this witness signature
tune easier hawking needed with much more tracked by
turkey done by here and when i bend visited thirty two thirty ish people
were very happy say yes you are saying that we are tomorrow
you know
gilmore d'amato than year-round
that you are not
uh... you know about the model because there are lots of things that we have to
see lots of things that we have to say about the bottle so
it's true that there are improving but still we cannot deny the fact that the
minority rights on transparency
on something that i think you know i'm talking to people in turkey while saying
be careful
you herds
uh... about you know this tendency in the the russian model that the one who
was the prime minister
change and and was uh...
the president and he came back as the prime minister
and and what we have as a discussion turkish motto is
prime minister of model is going to be a presidential model the one who are
who he is now the prime minister good and are being the president
and he's a human being
and i would say we have to be very cautious
when it comes to transparency to rule cause for as this
what he has said to mubarak ones
should be heard by the people on lowering charging churches
one big you have to be
what do you have to be
this is something which has to do with
the right political model uh...
when it comes to you and you mandy and you have to be even and people
you to reach in stock
to date
i can see
interesting experiences around the world
by the way very very
much
uh... outside are below
i can't see you know delegation of power people are trying to do things that are
intrested
but that account talk about being a model to be uh... complete model are
model
uh... that
ears
uh... interesting has been digital model
this is something that i cannot see
uh...
once again and i think that we have to do is uh...
experiences
uh...
projects
uh... vision
and uh...
media matsuo
you know much concert
about uh...
about the fact that uh... compared to the muslims of very very
to accept the economy model are something that is in the position of the
bed
so we keep on talking about the good principles that we haven't democrats
and they have to sure that that was the them of products as we had christian
democrats and so a lot
if at the end of the do you accept
uh... at the economy quarter that the skidding
you know between this morning and did tonight
one hundred fifty to two
thousand people were killed by
violated the economic system about the and
is invisible
uh...
you know it's something that is not covered by the media but this
much more than anything any terrorist attack at the happiest is the reality of
the system i spoke to people
but the muslims uh... accepting that that's something that uh...
on the in rectory proves that the are refusing
so with six it's difficult to speak of with it
and uh...
requested that your piedmont
lots should or what could be opposition when we see you know
uh... people while protesting against the system of the pc people's day
we have to is
to stop with the welfare uh... statement that the people should not be dependent
uh... in fact
the lost a few life which ears
we have to struggle to be apartments and not to be dependent
but to come with this principle and to see we have to stop the welfare system
because it's nutrient dependency of the people because they are not working and
they have
this is not right we need to have a comprehensive approach
this system today is not the web for st
is not the state which is dot
with orders that this is protecting there
interest the
uh... interest of the reach people and saying to the poor people you should be
independent
so the for you discussion
is not to aunts or
some of the problems that we have these the problem with the global overall
picture of a comprehensive approach of the world system
and the whole system to be in the west i'm sorry if you look at what is
happening in the united states of america and we are told is the biggest
democracy in the world
the house
care system is just in traffic wasn't and we've or what he did barack obama
had to face what he faced
and and stevens not trust so so when you see what is done with you know the banks
and and how many people lost their homes uh... over the last uh... five years
amnesty do you have people not or needed are getting more money
might be the was monthly transnational corporations multinational corporation
in banks
this is what we need to come up with or is this is that it
now we have to acknowledge something
which is going to be our
reacting
inbuilt d'amato *** society's on the west of democracy
something that these new
and it's going to be deeper and deeper in all relationship we did the religious
community
is that
you know these unity against
you know to be unified against a person model
now when you all the citizens in this country you all going to have
muslims on the left
hand slide of the political spectrum and honors on the right side
and and we might see you all my brother
nylon along
uh... distract
i'm not going to accept a political view
and you know
it's very disturb agreed
when you see
people who are coming from the south
i'm finishing
okay so we are putting me open a google quickly
uh...
so give me four so i i i
no very quickly so when you have people coming you know from very modest
background that came here catherine economy exile
that d that bad
parents and now they are getting money dot com medical doctors doubt teachers
that
and now they are making money
and do we need to all people people
is exactly the same terms that where they went to bed fathers and mothers
were treated and they are becoming
capitalist in one way
what we call with people who are and what they want is the money
so when you have this lack of consciousness
lack of understanding that i_d_ end of today if you will hear coming with your
history is to never
never to forget
well you are coming from
that they're is
there are injustices
towards the people of the south
darkened justices with people who are coming to work here and i'm just this is
with poor people and there is races
one of the main problems that they had so idon't like just to talk about these
days is that it but not that that we have to promote independence
upon the citizens
i want the big picture
and my problem with many of the the the
the western most instances is now
you've got the up uh... bind billboard project of yours name being accepted
hitting this summary and not being connected to the pool people
lack of course service forced poverty
lack of confidence was immigration
lack of concerns would be pelo ingi
initiate in this country
lack of course that we don't care it's as if there are all guilty
there are people
in this country who bond you don't know why
is the same in france is the same as the united states
we don't care
lack of conserve sports racism
you know wat because there is races within the muslim community
this is unacceptable at the end of the day we have to come to the standoff
western very quickly
give me just proceed
well just procurement
because i don't want to to uh... i don't want to ***
for the that
for me and we don't know with
with pat not critical of the proper senator
that we have found between his tracked in that we ought to meet with the decks
is superficial
i have not said wanted to come visit provision well rigidity or
dot are
dealing with the vegan tradition of a new dimension
uh... are foreign reporters
uh... degree tomorrow
in the real world u_s_ uh...
to in about ah...
something which instead
is that we reviewers
is uh... surrounding cultural really rehab increasing will
the review will at the same time
is very much indeed with pollen tradition
and uh... what the strategy instructions people attacking
daniel always on the defensive ah... always talking about this
not
ask the west side
muslims it is a
that three people who love towards the west tomorrow
we need to do this the disease we have to explain opposition has been critical
article optometry
to the west used not too
the blog by supporting the west conveys also very important for my own on
intellectuals and on
monster are going to see
in fact sometimes when i'm not
for because we'll see
based on the were slim twenty-page about cost and all
is because no one was hurt
andy sometimes asks a question of strategy
tools of the people
the language decarava's
and some of them or meet back that lost a bit
got the right person said
you won't know written
because of what review state
but don't think the loop
don't think that what you aren't right for all parts of the also exactly the
same as you all say selecting the kids also you know communication is part of
all all
is the old or businesses
installed
are reception is part of the policy is diesel buses to bake it dot
red
to what we have to see
and
janeal receiving pat annual is
you folding
we will you what
here
what been
period you are
the distracting
the is twenty uh... what there
will need to speak
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these or
and