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montana state representative gerry o'neill has an interesting idea for how
off if they can save some money when incarcerating criminals
and so he wants to give them an option either you can go to jail has
traditionally has been the case for the last of five or six decades in most
places in the country
or you can choose to instead engage in a little bit of corporal punishment
that's lackey as i alluded to i think yousef i think that it shows a very
different
or intuition towards what
incarceration supposed to publishing and then we we have some details about what
he wants and so this is a great quote to start up without his first book
for me i'd rather be with twenty lashes then spent ten years in prison would you
rather spent ten years in prison or be width twenty lashes
yeah i think pretty obvious and rather get the tent but you know they might
have a reminded me of number the we must intend fifteen point twenty years ago
the whole thing with caning
in in singapore freya to me it would be that that was the first thing i thought
about it when i heard the story and secondly i thought i was well
are used to live in montana our report on the legislature of montana and and it
may be surprising to some people but i'm not surprised that you filter sort of
monitoring under the circles yeah i mean the the the montana's unburied
law and order tough-on-crime kind of place and that's the politics of the
place
so doesn't surprise me that uh... that uh... state legislator would say well
you know once that if we had a
got a prison problem instead of dealing with it in a humane way in a way that
says what let's let's look at our laws and see if we're incarcerating let's say
people on drug possession charges instead we get our a proposal say
to deal with the present problems it would just
will just be crap at me networking animal with them something like that i
think that i had some uh... tum
dark racial undertones considering the history of the country now i would say
yes
well i ask you the clip the question i wish it was rejected
the behind a prisoner of war the last ten years are trail and here's a look at
what point
i'd i don't care how many lashes is there's no way i would give
six months of my life ok so then the physical pain i'll get over a couple
weeks so here's what's what's weird about this story because i
i agree i i would look at this and i said this is a crazy idea
but then i also said well you know one
is it is crazy if if i would take the twenty lashes instead of the ten years
well i think that it's crazy both because i think it would be ineffective
it actually dealing with that i was uh... and he let let a *** get off at
twenty lashes oppose actually paying it you know in in a hard time i don't think
about the idea
it's it's more about i think the underlying a political and psychological
mindset that it reveals that this man has a mean you made the comparison
standpoint i think that's a great comparison
i think the same sort of
i guess
that's just it sort of the vote authoritarian personality and i think
it's a it's a reminder that
as much as we call our criminal justice system correctional facilities dot
clearly the legislators or some legislators who are supposedly making
policy over correctional facilities don't really see our criminal justice in
his anything dealing with correction and correction is like
where the hell you were a reform you were gonna
where i'll be dealing with problems
i don't think twenty lashes help somebody help somehow i don't think
that's the goal at all right let's let let's hear a little bit more about what
he thinks is okay but then i would love to talk about certain to be a bit
different is that liberals conservatives have in terms of the goals of
incarceration
but many of you my here about his plan
uh... in which he says by the way it would actually be a more humane it would
stop the torture of that is still being incarcerated for many years internet
connection would be it
uh... torture but
he says uh... but he noted that his bill would be constitutional
in case you're wondering about that because those opting for corporal
punishment would have to agree to the practice out he compares it to plea
agreement saying when people entered a plea agreements they agreed to waive
certain constitutional rights
including the right to appeal
out some historical information for you
uh... is being more than sixty years since the last case of a corporal
punishment sentence in the united states which is a public whipping up a
convicted criminal in delaware in nineteen fifty two
although even delaware repealed it's whipping law in nineteen seventy two
uh... and to give you a bit more details about how he thinks that actually be
administered
options would likely include caning whipping and paddling out sounds of
tradition too great but
uh... under the bill the punishment would be administered by either a county
sheriff or the state corrections department and i have to imagine that if
this was actually put into practice that would attract some interesting people
but that position yeah i mean you wonder if you who would attract
i'm a little bit say the freemen have soulful creepy entails remind me an
animal house or you know the midwesterners should you have four days
that exactly yeah i had said jr was making a comparison the paths
preparation uh...
data if you're a person of the behaving is enough
but that you brought the point about what that but the goal is obviously they
just want to punish people
and every way that you would deal with from her reverses the depression of the
store but
i think the liberals naturally have i'm much more interesting trying to reform
the criminal
and i don't think i would i don't know state rep gerry o'neill i've only seen
in the news for this but i have a feeling that he doesn't care much about
performing her but i think that's at the evidence that that's the bottom line
here is that is how do you think about crime in america and the criminal
justice system is it about rehabilitation
and correction or is it about punishment punitive punishment prevention
anticipated in the theory what the theory is that
that knowing that he had a system is punitive it'll be a deterrent
and i guess uh... but that hasn't
that hasn't and we in the white house said that we would prefer to sabi sleeps
less of a deterrent of the ten years in prison exactly