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Ruben Papian - "Do I think?" - special
- And we are on. - We have enough batteries for three hours.
- That's great.
We have batteries.
2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 13. Thirteen of you and half of me.
My friends, yesterday we had a lecture but we got a demand for the discussion to continue but without
scientific or rather highly intellectual comments.
People had questions, most didn't get the chance to ask because by that time they already got their answer.
From some end at least.
Where did we stop yesterday or what questions did we have? Let's do it like this - you ask, ill answer and that is
how we will get to the end of it. - Could you do a quick summary? Rose was not here and I think...Only Rose?
- Only I wasn't there?
- At least something, how would you say it in short? - What? To repeat? Let's not do that.
You will repeat it yourself. I don't remember. It's over Rose, it's over. It will be the most interesting to you thought.
- Yes.
- We are continuing the story from yesterday. Now with more questions. Who would like to start?
- No Zdravko. - People got confused because Zdravko is not here and nothing functions any more.
I assumed you had questions yesterday? At least I heard so. Today it's all clear.
- Not everything was clear yesterday. - I didn't hear, what yesterday? - Not everything was clear yesterday. - It was to
Zdravko. What a man. - He is amazing.
- I listened yesterday and it turns out that thinking, it's just signals. Thought is a decoded form for consciousness to
understand. I understood it as such combining it with previous lectures. This is now updated, even a baby thinks.
If we ignore consciousness what happens in brain is accepting signals.
- And the brain processes it but she is not aware of it, right? - That is how we said it. If I understood it correctly.
- You are tough. Can you bring that thing over here?
- What should I bring? - Not that. He brings candy - you are tough, bring those vitamins.
- Where do I put it?
- Turn it around, turn it around. That is a third leg. - Oh ok, I will turn it around.
- Let go. - Ok.
- It's all good.
So, what do we have?
We have a baby.
So let's ask questions. Does the baby has consciousness?
Your answer? - I think no. - No. - The answer is no. And the answer is no because...? Consciousness is...?
- Artificial category that is created in time. But didn't we say it has just the ability, just that function, the ability of
development of that consciousness?
- Does it have consciousness? - It is undetermined in society, perhaps to a certain degree. - Not just society.
It didn't have experience. - It doesn't have basis for comparison.
- It doesn't have experience. So, consciousness is not formed yet.
Does the baby think? - Well if we combine what we learned and signals then yes it does. - Indeed it does.
- If the thought is their own...the brain works and accepts all the signals. - Didn't we talk about emitting signals?
- All correct. So thinking and consciousness are not the same. Absolutely different things.
Baby grows up, gets some experience, on numerous ways and consciousness gets formed.
I drew this before if you remember. Imagine this river or rather its flow as thoughts.
So this is consciousness. It doesn't matter, this is the form of consciousness or rather hills of that river.
For example this is how this river flows. This is called consciousness. Why did it form like that? Because it just
did. Now, there comes a time when baby has consciousness. That is the way...that is the geography of
how this river flows.
Question - is consciousness changing?
In time? It is formed and then its formed. Is it changing after that? - I think based on some experience norms
it is changing. - What is changing in consciousness?
- New data is added. - Some new shores are added she says.
Some new discoveries. - Yes. They are new streams either way. - Some new streams.
No. Consciousness is an artificial category. It doesn't exist in nature. I told you about the experiment where a child
after its 15th year doesn't form consciousness any more. Experience, education etc. but no forming of it.
The end. It doesn't form. System is already closed, tough, like concrete. And consciousness takes a back seat.
It has habits, let's say a reflex, whatever it is but not consciousness. Now, consciousness is formed,
this geography right here, what can you change in a person here?
- Depth of streams? - You can change
speed.
What else? - Density? - Quality. Content.
- Will it then be the same river? - What else?
Quantity.
- Amount? - Amount.
- Understood? So, content, quality, speed.
Could it be said that a person that has these three parameters changed in comparison to yesterday, is another
person?
- No its still the same person. - It joins them the same way, the way it used to.
- Interesting. When we say - this is a smart person - what do we consider under that?
- I guess, his database is good, diversity of content, amount and quality... - That would only be about informations.
- You go to an asylum and you have a crazy scientist. And there are a lot of those. Crazy, behaves like a mad man.
He knows a lot and reads a lot. Is he a smart man?
- In our understanding he is a smart man. He has a lot of informations but... - Does the amount of informations
reflects the category of being smart? - No. - No, no.
- What is then the category of being smart? - Creativity. How to find another way... - I used to... - Creativity is in the
category of being smart? - How someone connects the data and uses it. - How it represents, how it gives...
- Is being smart the amount, content or speed? - Speed. - Altogether.
- What is being smart in the first place? - Being smart is the way things are processed.
- Processes just like this. - If it is using the same path all the time... - It is the same path. Is being smart then
these three categories or new additions of new streams? - New additions of new streams. - Yes? How many such
people did you see in your life? - Well now...There are some of us here who added some new streams.
- Let's...no there is no one here.
- What are we doing then? - I don't know either.
- Being smart is then when all of this is avoided... - He read ten books and he read ten thousand books. Could it
be said that he is smarter then him? - No. - I am just asking a question. - I would just like to say one definition.
About being smart. Excluding this about consciousness. Apparently being smart is conducting own intelligence into
action, no matter the amount of it.
- Did you understand what you said? - For someone with less content and quality and speed to create a proper result
is in that situation smart. - A person is sleeping, is it smart?
- Yes. - No. - When does it become smart? - When others say so. - When it is useful. - Come again? Oh.
It seems you do know the tricks. - I don't know. - Very correct. So what is the category of being smart?
In social terms, because it is absolutely a social category and not individual category? - Comparison, if you are like
so and so, then you are smart.
- Now, define that social smarts. If you are like this and this and that, how and how and how?
- Adapted, socially acceptable... - That is adaptable, polite, modest and all that ***. Just smart.
Smart is in conjunction with how you are using your brain.
Pay attention. Don't bother. The amount of combinations of this here, is called smarts, in people, combinations.
Speed, more of the middle; content, density of the middle... - Sounds like taking number two.- Yes, yes.
Amount, largeness of the middle. That all falls under smarts. All that in us falls under smarts.
So... - And if accidentally something is off? Nothing is ever off? - The point is if something is accidentally off... - Then
you go to the asylum? - Yes. Does it...Look here. Content plus middle plus speed - three pluses.
The point is quantity, if you speed up the process, the quantity is lesser in effect. Think very simple. Like a train.
If you speed up the amount is lesser. So to get the amount, you have to lower the speed. From three pluses to one.
- For everything to be adequate. - For the whole meal you will get to be adequate. Meal itself is smarts.
If you speed up the content, you increase content - you will get murky water. That is where the confusion comes
from. Your interloper will get confused. You will lessen your speed. - That's what I said, you have to change the
speed. You always have to change the other two parameters if one of them is off. - Correct, correct. You
have to adjust parameters. Now, if you enhance content that smarts might cause confusion in society.
Its just too much. You know people like that. People that are smart but don't even understand themselves.
They understand, but you don't. - They write books. - Its like this, it enters and gets lost, he gets excited, exists,
and then gets lost again. - Well that's Zdravko.
- Now, Zdravko. That was the amount and speed of no content at all. *Ruben mimics the exemplary behavior*
- I didn't skip a moment. - There you go, I told you everything.
So content...Smarts is a social category. And not individual category.
Combination of these three categories is called being smart. Now let's see what is called wisdom.
Another social category. How do we look at wisdom? What parameter is changed and how?
- I don't understand... - Wisdom. What is wisdom? When we say someone is wise? - Right conditions. - Speed.
- In comparison to conditions.
- Say that in human language, language of Zdravko. What is wisdom? *Someone mimics Zdravko* - Exactly.
What is wisdom? Huh? - Fast enough and with good content but not too fast.
- Fast enough with good content and not too much.
Let's ask the question like this - is a wise person also smart?
- He can choose between the two.
- Then how does social environment categorizes wisdom as one of the categories? This woman is wise.
- As the ability to provide proper answers on questions. - Smart. - Patience.
- Experience? - A smart person, for example, everything is in plus.
A wise person has vents here, like this. Where he can stop streams, not just speed, content or amount.
Just that. That is why you said it correctly, patience. A wise person can stop the process, completely.
Because of that, in social sense...ill show you.
- Like a Buddha. - When those idiots sit like this.
This is for you to see how wisdom looks like.
- It doesn't count without the sound. - Oh, right.
The most important thing is to sound like a cow.
Not "bee", that doesn't go. Anyways, that is wisdom. Social environment looks at wisdom like that.
- They have patience.
- No that's idiocy. - I meant they have patience when they can sit like that for two hours. - Proper organization
of idiocy, can be looked at as wisdom.
Yes, proper organization of idiocy, how to even present that...?
- He is brain storming. - In essence I don't understand anything. But I have a "proper" face.
Yes and at the end - realization. - Like host of morning shows. They understand everything.
In any case, it is a way of control of the whole river.
Which can be complete *** down, dreams for example, or occasional shut down of certain streams.
Does a wise person changes his consciousness?
No. Does a smart person changes its consciousness? - It adjusts it. - He can't, he is smart. - You said it perfectly.
With what to change it when he is smart already? That's it!
- So they have to be stupid to do something? - Get it? Smarts is a limitation of consciousness or definition of
streams. That's it. Done deal. - We know everything and period.
- No. Even if I don't know, I know how I should know. It will either way go along the same streams.
Can a wise person change its consciousness?
- It can more or less change... - Very tricky question. - It can adjust to the environment. More adjustable.
- Aha. Correct thinking. According to this tree of mine, this Ruben tree... - Without leaves.
- Ruben's tree of brain. - Leaves are vents. - Yes, vents.
If I...Pay attention, it's delicate. If I put an obstacle here and stream doesn't go here anymore, it goes to other streams.
I adjust speed, content and amount, so that it doesn't overflow. Because I am not crazy.
So this doesn't exist. Did I change my consciousness?
- You mean it doesn't flow in that direction any more or... - It doesn't, in a moment. Wisdom is a control of flows.
- But that means it is just blocked segment, not none existing? - Of course. - Like a dam. - This is consciousness.
I just, how do you say it, branch, I just shut this branch with a vent. - But the branch still exists? - Yes it does.
- Like a dam. - I am interested to find out, my personality or my definition of my consciousness is this tree. I closed
this here. Not cut off, closed. It doesn't flow here any more. It flows into other directions. Did I change my
consciousness?
- Yes. - No. - It is temporarily not working. - Some water still remains.
- I closed the valves here, here and here. Did I change my consciousness?
- Is that permanent or temporary? - It's irrelevant. Let it be temporarily. The fact that I can temporarily do it means I
can do it permanently. What I want to know is did I change my consciousness? - No. The geography remained the same.
- Yes. - The tree is without leaves however you turn it.
- It's the same thing just going through different streams. - Something definitely changed, if its not consciousness then
what is it? That's what I don't understand.
- Some parameter changed. - Interesting correct? - If consciousness didn't change, then what did? Because
something surely changed.
- The product of that factory is different but I think the factory didn't change. - Maybe it created new ones?
- So the consciousness didn't change. Just limited it. - Already existing one. - Could it be said that it is limited?
- Yes. - No. - It is a decision to use it differently.
- So the consciousness is not changed.
- They don't have what to change. - Flowing informations are directed otherwise on already existing branches.
- Because there is nothing else in there. - Yes there is nothing else, the person remained wise, consciousness is
not changed because he didn't completely shut down the flow. - I completely close the valve here. Am I the wisest
then?
- No, not wisest, then you are correctly stupid. - Is it when we are sleeping? - It is not used whatsoever? - Yes.
- Is that a wise person? - Yes. Could that be considered the highest level of wisdom? - Previously you said that wisdom
stems from some speed, some content to be wise. - Not really. You have the ability to close. Like Yoga.
- So I can close... - Someone sits down and sits like that for two years. - But the fact that its closed, not all signals
or emotions... - Conscious signals? Consciousness is shut off. That's consciousness, nothing else. Signals are there
for sure but this is consciousness, it doesn't detect those signals. - The usage of consciousness, it decided not to use it.
- Yes. Now is that the category of wisdom? Category of being smart? - No. - Then the category of what? If a person
can shut off its consciousness, no matter what kind it is? - Animal?
- Babies. - We change the state of consciousness, what's in it. - It is just shut off, not changed. - Don't use the word
changed. I don't know that word. A man got drunk like hell, and has an altered state of consciousness.
How altered? Amazing alteration. - Drastic! - Drastic alteration of the state of consciousness.
Yes. One mans yoga is another mans alcoholism. - Same effects. - Same effects.
Though with alcoholism the effects are faster.
Let's see now. - What else is there? - Pay attention. What do we have at this moment. Let's realistically define
being smart exclusively like a receipt of usage of consciousness. No matter how you look at it, it has nothing
to do with the quality of consciousness itself. Quality is like this, this is like so and it will flow just like that.
Who gives a ***? - Where is intellect in that story?
- I don't know. Wait a bit. You are getting ahead.
So, what is wisdom? It is a dam, vents, valves that shut streams. The ability to not think when it is necessary.
In some direction.
Is then this, in some sense, wisdom? - When they are not thinking at all?
- Is it, when I say, pay attention it sounds simple but its not - is it when I say "I am thinking", is it about the way
of using these three parameters?
- I would rather say that is thinking about something. - Well I am thinking, ok.
- Is it then, when you say "I am thinking" it means that, when someone else says it, it means something else?
- No, no. You, me, anyone. Is what you said "I am thinking", this is your consciousness, some combination?
You can really say that you are thinking. Or thoughts are going their own streams. - Does that mean that I am
only a receptor or rather at some point I stop to receive certain speed, content and amount of signals?
- My question was how much are your thoughts yours. - I think not a lot of them. - When you say "I am thinking"
in this concept what is considered under "I am thinking"? - I conclude that this thought I my own and not someone elses?
- In the kitchen you have water
flour, did I say that correctly? - Yes, flour. - Flour and salt.
What can you make out of that? - Whatever you want.
- We have water, flour and salt. What can you make out of that? - Depends on the amount. - Pancakes.
- You have flour, water and salt. - Change of parameters. - So combination of these three things can give you
variation of bread. Some bread that will still be bread. Correct?
But can you create Sarma?
You only have flour, water and salt.
You know, people, as far as I know them, those creatures, they think they can cook whatever in their silly kitchens.
Where they have just flour, water and salt. And they start to create sarma from flour...and you can create something
that will appear to be sarma but it won't taste like one. How will they themselves call their creation?
- My sarma. - Correct. - They will call it their own sarma, or thought, I have a thought. Exactly that interests me.
Is that thought their own?
- Since they are not involved in its creation... - Not involved? - Their brains are involved. - Ok. - But consciousness
doesn't. It is served a done product for which they later say I am thinking. - No, you can, in that process, control
the speed, content and amount.
You can. But with content... - Yes but that again...
That is again some thought came. - Ok. How much the thought of that person that has this and this... - Is his own?
- Not just his. In general depends on the person itself, quality of that thought. - It depends. - Only in the way of reception.
What can they create out of those three ingredients? He for example needs a thousand ingredients so that he can
create sarma. But pay attention to the construct of consciousness. Does that consciousness in that function
has the ability to process, for example, sarma?
When all its life it has only flour, water and salt? Those three ingredients that determine the construct of
consciousness itself. If you were born in the forest and ate ***, 25 years later you have a book full of receipts on how
to eat ***. Really. Like this, like that, super ***, expensive ***, dried and so on. And you will even convince people -
you don't know how to eat *** properly, let me show you how to make great ***. Get it? And the most interesting
part is you will insult someone. Someone says, well *** is ***. How can you not understand! Don't spoil it!
Is a person that understands the receipt of ***, his grandma taught him, smart?
Come on! -His grandma taught him... -That's right. I ask you, he perfectly understands ***, is he smart?
Give me your answers. - For his environment he is. - Super. Nobody does that but him but he is great at it.
Will we accept him as smart? - Hardly. - Hardly? - Only because our construct doesn't support the process
that is called ***. You won't even think about it, you will reject it immediately. In this process there are no such
ingredients.
Clear yes? So, pay attention. What do we get? We get a human being, with formed conscious geography,
that formed just because of process being repeated and that's it.
On this day a person has the ability to somewhat control the speed, content and amount.
But not quality and quantity of ingredients itself. Plus new ingredients don't register, here for example ***. It just
doesn't register, it's not accepted. Why not? Biological product which you can get for free and do whatever you
want with it. I dunno, cosmetic mask from ***. - No. - Sure thing.
- You can smear that thing all over. But don't forget two cucumbers.
Perfect! Two cucumber slices.
Do people think? Do they?
In theory?
Do people create on their own what are called thoughts?
Only the receipts they are used to. But because they are used to they will constantly spat out the same things.
Nothing new ill get created. They don't have with what, nor they know how. The process is going on.
The only thing a wise person can do is stop certain...how do you call them? Certain... valves.
He will reduce and turn off here and there for which it will get some other flavor. Let's say the temperature of the water
will get increased so the water will boil, get mixed with flour so the taste will alter a bit.
That is what you call wise.
What should happen for people to say properly "I am thinking"?
- To become aware of the processes that stop his thoughts. - Here, you became aware.
Don't think like that.
How? What should you change? - New ingredients? - You think? - We should inject a new ingredient. - Think about
what should be changed.
You injected a new ingredient. Peas. It will surely bring new results. Could it be said that consciousness changed?
- We should change the society and all of that. - You injected peas. Is that person another now?
- Peas was added but its the same person. - What is different?
Bread will be with peas. - But it's still... - But the kitchen is the same place. So when its said,
if we are talking about the change of people, we are talking about the change of his conscious state.
Or rather geography. Which happens when the person is a baby.
How would we achieve that?
- Does that mean baby should get new experiences? - I want the theory side for you to dig out.
- Maybe we need an instrument to dig? - We don't have shovels. - Grab a shovel and let's go! - Yes, digger of consciousness.
On what way can you dig a new geography? - Well if all rives got created as habits, maybe doing something
completely opposite from what we got used to? - Maybe new experiences and habits? - We need to change our
consciousness or environment to be replaced.
Let's move on.
Over here, we have a fridge.
We live for thirty years.
We call that experience. What is experience?
It's receipts we have, ingredients we have and the meal that got prepared called a thought. Now imagine,
a compartment in that fridge. In your kitchen you have this fridge and it's called memory.
Remembering. In there a result of your thirty year old cooking is situated. They are also ingredients.
Yes they enter from outside,
processes are going on and they are stored here. Now, after thirty years, when geography is already formed,
where do you take your ingredients from? Of course from the fridge. That is called experience.
Now you tell me - if this kitchen is supplied from the fridge, what am I supposed to change then?
- The fridge. - If the ingredients are used then you need new ones. - He is constantly replenished. - Content.
- Ok, done. *Ruben gets corrected on his use of Serbian grammer*
You are the first victim of your thoughts. You will eat yourself whatever you cooked.
It is always like that. - Maybe you should go to someone's house and bring something else.
- But what will you do with your own? - Throw away. - People guard their own. Look at Misha, for two weeks
he is guarding the watermelon. Watermelon want's to puke from itself but not Misha. He doesn't even know about her.
But either way she is there.
If you went down you would see Misha keeping boxes from half a year ago. - Maybe for burning? - They stink!
But he calls that for burning, very interesting. He calls it for burning, true because his consciousness works like that.
When I start the fire, I can use them. So for half a year, pizza boxes are not out of Misha's head.
Or rather his fridge. What should you do with ingredients? Go on, tell me.
- They should be used. - To be used somehow else. - To be used until they don't go bad. - How to use them?
You create it, eat it, *** it out, put it back.
Its true. Yes, yes. When you conjure something, you shat out your meal, and that is your thought.
The end. And you take that and put it in the fridge, for your next usage of it. That is called experience. I once
already chewed and shat out, but now I will chew and shat out what I previously already chewed and shat out.
People say: how do you know? Well I had great experience. Translation - I ate same *** for ten times now.
- Could thing be pulled out then... - I am smart, I eat same *** ten times. - No new ones. - Can it happen that when
you put things back in the fridge, its something different? - *** will still be *** but this time with a perfume.
- So its *** either way or no? - We shouldn't put *** in the fridge.
- Hold on. Your fridge back home is huge and already full. I am interested in what are we going to do now with that?
What to do with the fridge? Take ingredients back out, eat all of them and then put them back in? - Clean the fridge.
- How? - Don't trust our experiences? - Agree. - We have that habit. - Is there a can for that?
- Clean the fridge? So turn into a grandpa whose fridge is clean? - Yes. - How? That's the thing. Now that we are here,
for you to take a step into the future you have to... - Go back to the past. - No. You need to wipe it clean from
yourself. Like it was never there. How to do that since it's in you? Full of what you like and adore, you repeat and
- I remember when I was there...and that bunch piles on and its same ***. A pleasant ***. Not all *** are smelly.
There are *** that smell nice. This honey here, what do you think it is? It's also ***. - Very nice ***.
Now, how to get rid of this? In order for me to think, to create something new, I need to get rid of old receipts
but its all I have.
- Maybe someone who expressed their opinion can leave it as such? - I would love to here, but I don't know how.
Do you know where is your fridge? - I have the watermelon! - How do you delete stuff?
- I gather boxes too. - What did you ask? How to delete? - You scrub it all nicely.
- Do you love your past? - Yes. - Some things yes and some things no. - There you go.
- Good question. I made fun of you. Do you "love" your past and you answered like normal people.
Meaning smart. Meaning stupid. Yes. With what does the past deserve your emotional state?
What is that which deserves your current emotional state that you call love of course? Which there isn't any but
in your consciousness you processed it like there is?
Tell me.
- Well I don't know. - Do it have to be? - What? - Loved.
- It doesn't. - If so then why do you love it? - Maybe I don't but something pleasant is in my memory. - Automatically.
- Does it have to be so? - No. - Then why do you do it?
- I don't know. - Say I don't know differently. Because the tree is formed exactly so.
What does consciousness means? Some order, hierarchy of values, correct?
- Yes. - This is important, this is secondary, this is a priority. you have to love yourself, you mustn't forget
this and that. Those are priorities.
And those priorities formed consciousness. You would like to change consciousness but to leave the priorities.
- Habit. - Your consciousness is adequate to those priorities.
Then factually if you want to scrub the fridge you first have to analyze your priorities.
Ingredients. Does your...now I will ask. Does your past deserves your current attention?
- It should be like that. It did its part. It ended. - Then why do you... - We were taught that way.
- If you have some useful experience... - Should we direct current attention... - I will ask again.
I will ask differently. Try to answer. What deserves your attention more, your unpleasant
past or your pleasant past?
- Pleasant stops us more currently because it is pleasant, we like to chew it because its tasty.
- On what should you pay attention more? - Unpleasant. - Both should be removed. - Removed?
All of it? - Create a list of values by priority.
- Do you remember yourself ten years ago?
What is the difference between you then and you now?
Evaluate yourself.
Try to answer like a woman that has no consciousness.
That was a compliment.
The most beautiful one.
- The difference is... - I am the same. - I am not sure what to bring up first. Excluding biology and matter,
that changed factually but priorities remained the same.
The most important ones. - What would be the correct answer and the answer is processing. - I don't remember
the past.
- The answer can't be different then what it was until now, the same. Processing... - You give me a thought about
what processing means, your end thought. In verbal form that would tell me that your process is not the same as yesterday.
Instead it goes like today. So, conscious processes adapted, changed.
Everything she did started to create problems here. It is called being a smart-***.
Without definition.
What do you think, how should one think?
Correctly...
- Some experience is there.
You don't know? Your correct answer would be... - I have no Idea, I don't remember. -...back then I wasn't me.
And that would include, to me who understands these things, everything I need to hear. You already started to
chew. Which automatically says that it is there. - Yes, it is there. - Weather like a form, smell or dirt, irrelevant,
but the fridge is not empty. - Things are there filling the content.
- So I am the one who creates a connection to the past and keeps it? - Not you, your consciousness. - Yes.
- The one that is already built and very rigid. Don't think it is flexible. Its rather rigid. Because this is where
I love, I don't love, I want, I don't want, good, bad is based. Those are categorizations it follows. This is good,
why is it good? Because it steered to the left. But you only have left. It's not mixed and tangled.
How can we define what is good and what is not?
- Habits define it? - Correct. A man came out of his house, like our friend here, and went to buy a ticket.
And won! A Mercedes for example.
Is that good? That is being lucky correct?
Only for him to get into the car drunk and fell from, for example... and died.
Now I want to know, is that car being lucky?
Why does then that same man treated that car as happiness?
- Maybe he got a lot in a small time frame? - Correct. - Maybe it was happiness in some small moment.
Afterwards it became something different. One object can, in time, bring a lot with it. - So what does that mean?
We have priorities. Social priorities. Good, bad. If this happens it is considered to be good and we are happy.
We get excited. When this happens we consider it to be bad.
So how should something be ranked or rather reacted towards for you not to depend on the ingredients in the fridge.
You don't know. And it is hard to know. - He only got the car so what? - Its an experience... - See here, I got the car
so what? Even that is an emotional state. - What I mean is without any reaction. - That is flirting. - Who gives a ***?
- Who gives a *** is a bit better I think. - Remember.
- Remember... - Remember the thought of the universe, universal thought.
Who gives a ***? - That is on Serbian so what? - No. No.
So what is soft. So what is a diarrhea. - Then I don't care. - That is even worse. Who gives a ***?
- Ok. Serbian language doesn't have that. - Who gives a crap also.
- How about "Oh just eat ***". - We could use a coffee right now.
- My friends. Who gives a ***? - Can we make some coffee? - That is not wisdom - who gives a ***.
That is not wisdom, closing these valves. This is closing the fridge. - There is something inside already. - You literally
stop it, who gives a ***!?
- Closing for new things or... - Avoiding to chew the old ingredients. - Ok. - The fridge itself, there is something
in it all the time, if you kicked out everything today you will see it in a year. - Ice will remain inside, for example.
- Not ice, you will fill yourself with other ***. Yup. Who gives a *** is closing the doors.
You have experience? Who gives a ***? It works perfectly. Did you see my shirt? Everyone should have one.
- Can I ask something about this entry of thoughts? Where does it come from? That huge amount of thoughts?
Could we say that everyone here have something cooked for them, for everyone individually, everyone has their own
so to speak? For everyone something is cooked?
- I didn't quite understand about the moment when you say thought. As a finished product? - No. - Before it comes
into consciousness. - Literally when it starts. - That is not a thought. Processing. Thought is the result.
- Yes. - Thinking is a process. - Now I sit to think. Before I even use anything with all the signals... - Conditions,
conditions are as such, that force us to follow the process called thinking. To adapt.
That's it. Adapt. How will we adapt? Depends on this configuration here. So, we will create a house in London.
The end. Condition appeared and we can't not think about it, avoid the process of thinking. - Yes but that factory,
when it is about to begin, where is that happening? Does it have a place where it happens and just for an individual
and just in this moment and not the following five minutes?
- No. I think I understand what you want to ask. It's not just one condition because of which something starts.
Ten parallel conditions are needed to create, even secondary, plus the process doesn't go like "pook"
and it came. He goes like this, one after another, constantly.
Thinking is not one signal where it comes to thoughts and its over. Its endless modifying like this. I don't know how to explain.
Did you see in factories how strings are attached? Now imagine the process of thinking is a string - it is constantly
in movement and constantly spinning so when you look up close it is all different, correct?
From afar its all the same. Up close its all different. That is called thinking. Thoughts as they are, that is, how do you
call it... - Hank. - Hank. It's constantly spinning, it's all a thought and not just a single fragment.
That is why I am having a trouble answering your question: Where is the beginning? There is no beginning there.
- There is no beginning yes? - It's a constant definition...the quality of these streams forms not the end
result, there is no end result, but quality of the end product that, in itself, is not final. It's constantly made.
Like this.
That is why there are no stops there. In your head.
The process goes...Suddenly a new material comes into the factory. Like your London house project.
You are the same. Your processes are the same. New color is added. It is mixed with the old material from
yesterday and you get a new flavor. But regardless the process is the same. That is why, in time, it turns out
the thread that is produced doesn't fit, for example, the house in London.
There is a lot of him in the quality. - A lot of color has been wasted. - Yes. The quality doesn't fit, a lot of crap
is mixed in. When we say it depends on him we really it is wrong, it depends on the limitations of his factory.
Because it doesn't depend on him. His factory can only do so much, that's it.
- It's like you when you say to Pedja: Don't think, it has been thought over hundreds of years before you, don't even try.
That is why I asked about it. When you say it, in that moment, material is not created on the spot when I need
to think...that is why it is a bit confusing to me. - Don't let it be confusing. When I am talking with him I turn on a
cartoon on the TV. We are now talking about para-scientific fantastic episode. Now, that is why I tell him
- like Tom and Jerry. Don't think it's all thought over. But what we see in the cartoon are Tom and Jerry and it is fun
because it is a cartoon. Really, its not happening real time. In this situation we are watching cartoons. Don't compare it.
If he started to think like we explained here, he would burn up. - So deleting...it means we all have the same consciousness
but we should delete differently, in a different way?
- Ill approach it from the different angle. I am *** verbally. Do you understand me? Don't be hasty with your answer.
Cause you will crap all over this. Do you understand me?
Try to answer it correctly.
- I understand but also don't.
- And that is the correct answer? - No. - What is the correct answer? - The system understands but the consciousness
is small. - Oh ***. - I can understand what I know. - But how to avoid the past? - I am *** verbally. Do you
understand me?
Listen to the word Understand. You are now doing exactly the same thing. You are taking the meaning out of here.
Instead of listening. Do you understand me? Under the term understand what is considered?
- Do we understand what you are talking about? - Adjusting of me *** to your streams.
No, you don't understand me.
Not because I am complicating things, that is one example, but because those ingredients are not fitting these streams.
You want to understand me but you won't because the stream is bent. You feel it is supposed to be going in some
other direction but it is blocked. And so it steers left. That is where the logic or logistics of these roads step in to tell
you the information on your own standard way, your habit.
- In a way that it steers toward different interpretations. - Exactly. Interpretation. Your understanding is a form of
personal interpretation of what I told you. Why are you spoiling my ***?
- It happens some seven to ten days after the lecture when we talk and then it becomes different but it doesn't seem different.
- Exactly. Not only who heard what but people can't understand, its incomprehensible. For exact understanding
you would need me in your head, with my configuration for it to be completely clear.
But it is not clear now is it? Because you are defined by ingredients and logistics of consciousness.
Those are your limitations.
It is a weapon. That is what the universe asks of you.
But the universe doesn't limit you. It says: I want you to crap. But how, what, on which way, which intensity? Choose
yourself. It is called free will.
The freedom of choice. If you have it, then choose. But as it turns out you don't. Or maybe you do, you never asked.
- We limit ourselves.
- Looking back I thought about things too much.
- Let's take some 10 minutes of coffee break.
WE ARE SORRY FOR TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES. THE PICTURE WILL RETURN IN 13 MINUTES.
- Ok so the break is over. Do you have any questions so we can slowly go toward the end of todays talk?
- I have one. Yesterday an image you showed remained in my head, our brain and the universe.
Its evident there is a connection. Of course I don't know which one. But I would love to know.
- Nooo. Ask a question.
- How does it work? Since they are similar, the brain and the universe.
- Very simple. Ill tell you. - My fridge is full. - When you look at your brain, I mean we zoom in a thousand million
times, what do we see? What we call neurons and so forth. What are they?
- Cables? - They are live cells, live organisms.
Now imagine. Those live organisms, X millions of them are living on some planet and that planet is your brain.
So the quality of work of that planet depends on all those living organisms. Depending on them your head works.
Streams go left and right. Organisms themselves don't even know what they are for.
They just live there. Its their way of life. And they look at each other, conflict, this and that...
I am not sure the amount of volts going from this side to the other side. For those dimensions those are huge amounts.
As a result, that is called life to them, for you its the brain working. That way of life of theirs, we observe as thoughts.
Now compare that to the picture from yesterday. Maybe this planet is some microscopic part of some brain where
7 billion organisms are living, highly conscious organisms, plus low conscious organisms, and all of that is functioning.
There is a huge voltage on Earth as well. Signals are going up and down. Now imagine the whole planet
is the same as you - it has billions of living organisms and it, itself is a living organism. And it is so, there are living
organisms living on it that are also in some kind of a brain as you saw.
And over there the brain is humongous. Not billions, trillions and trillions of planets. So it all functions the same.
Signals are going through, the universe is thinking...its about how it is thinking, not us. Thanks to all the cells
that it has in its brain. Meaning all the planets. And it's the same in your head.
If something is wrong with the cells, then the head is not working either.
The Universe is thinking because you exist and you think. And you think because there are neurons existing.
Another beings. And what they do we call thinking. From small to large...from small to large
Those thoughts are going from, lets say one cluster of galaxies to the other, through connecting canals.
Those signals are huge. Through your neurons some 20 volts of signals go through your brain.
And over there? Trillions of volts. It's just that the signal is so wide, get it? Its constantly going. It's all connected.
- Super.
The universe doesn't like when one of its organisms fails at its duty. And it tries to heal. And if it fails to do that? Destroys it.
Replace it, with something else. Its the same with you. Exactly the same way. A replacement and adjustment is done.
The system itself does it. A signal comes and it gets stuck, it modifies. And another, and another and the immune
system modifies it and modification means dis-balance of eco system. For this planet dis-balance of eco system
means elimination. Cleansing. This head is not going to crapping all over universes business any more. Oh ***.
What a compliment! More questions?
- I have two. Where are we in that cosmic sense if this consciousness is ours? And the other question is,
what should change from all of this or what can a person do to change the way of thinking? In all of this.
- To change adequately to what?
My question is why change at all?
Let's answer the first one. My friends,
what you call consciousness, for you that means that there is some thinking and there is some separate consciousness.
It is not something separate. It is just a form of a way of processing. That way of consciousness doesn't exist in the
universe. Human way. The universe itself is consciousness. Look at it that way. But there is no interest there.
Human interest, more money, more of that - things on which the consciousness is based on. So subjective
the universe is subjective. It is subjectively objective. It wants to preserve all. In so called balance, not harmony.
Balance of conflicts. Oh ***, I just said something that will confuse you.
- I would like to hear more about balance. - What you call sex, which is awesome, is not harmony.
It is a conflict of two extremes. It is a conflict and as a result variations are produced, emotional, electronic etc.
It is not harmony. In human understanding, harmony is two processes being coordinated so they flow the same.
That doesn't produce anything. Only when the two are combined they produce something third.
So sex is a conflict of two extremes that gives some colorful result. Now imagine the balance of universe
is a balance of different conflicts and the result is some third form and evolution. There is no evolution in harmony.
In harmony you can find Finita la Commedia.
The balance of conflicts is evolution.
Now, the universe is subjectively objective, is is trying to have it all. Conflicted zones but constructively conflicted.
Where something third will appear while the other two zones will disappear. So, consciousness from the position
of the universe is not the same as ours - I want more money, this and that. If I say consciousness, you will list
ten priorities and that's it, it all ends there. So consciousness is the order of priorities. Yours. Human.
There are no priorities in the universe. Only balance. How? Irrelevant. It doesn't matter whatsoever.
Balance is important. - I agree. - So, something is happening. - Constantly. How not?
- Galaxies are disappearing and appearing, same thing. They are having sex, disappear, appear, third one appears.
Something replaces something else. Consciousness is that sense in not human consciousness, don't draw the comparison.
- Like a construction, yes? - There are no moral... - You can create a comparison with everything but the fabricated
consciousness of people? - Yes. Because it's a fabricated category adjusted to conditions here. For people to
understand they need to have priorities. And those are living, well-being, pleasure...
- What level is that? That is not some level of understanding. - Not the human one, no. People are not
producing mental waves that cover the whole range of the universe, just a microscopic fragment.
Some other race produces some other range, third another range, and all together, that huge range that could be
called dark energy, or however they call it.
- Is that maybe done on purpose, that I want this and that, I like this and not this...? - I can, I can't. - Absolutely
properly asked, my child.
Conflict of extremes, as a result, gives something new. That is correct. But the conflict of extremes can also lead
to elimination. That is correct too. But, for example, there you have a hundred parameters of conflicts, yet interestingly,
when you have only two parameters, I want-I don't want, and the whole conflict between the two, the factually the
whole potential is divided to two - black and white. And not on yellow, red, orange...
There is no richness, its a single conflict with a single result or alternatively to be destroyed.
That is not richness, that is poverty.
Consciousness is already in the period of its next evolution of existence where all of this should be changed.
There will be some gradation, systematization, based on new priorities, new understanding. But for new to come
the old needs to be eliminated.
It won't eliminate itself. What consciousness will eradicate itself? That is called suicide. Yes, that is suicide.
When consciousness gets to the state of self destruction. But that is not the goal. The goal is modification and not
suicide. The technology of the modification is not given. And even if it was given, who will accept it?
The system itself is the way it is, very rigid, very sensitive, very vital that it can collapse. So sick that it can collapse.
For example, a kid with a bomb on the New York bridge, the bridge will explode,
and the whole monetary system on the world falls with it. It happened already. With monetary fond his salary goes
down, this milk went up in price, and you have a crisis. Crisis brings social unrest, personal damage etc.
However you look at it, to get something new, the old must crumble down.
So this consciousness itself won't change. As much as you want that, it won't change itself.
It will fight against its own changes.
- So the change needs to be fabricated as well? How will that work? - It needed to be....
And then it was postponed for some time, perhaps by a virus (*ruben makes a winking face*).
- That's good. - Sickness works great. When you let it go inside, sickness, or virus, begins to modify.
It hurts terribly, but it modifies and creates new paths inside. So consciousness is modified
with an unconscious virus.
The consciousness itself doesn't control the virus it just gets a new variation of self. It hurts... - Done variation?
- Done variation. Its tough, what kind of a virus will you enter? That is not a bacteriological virus, that is a signal virus.
- And he will work? - It will enter and work its magic.
For example Sfera - where the experiments still continue for a few years. That is the form of a virus.
Softer form of consciousness modification. Into what? - We have no idea. - Exactly. - What do you mean we have no idea?
It should be seen. - No, no. It can be seen, but it can't be used. In social environment it can be seen, but unusable.
That's the thing. The social environment can't accept that kind of form of analysis of understanding.
It can be seen, it is interesting - like art! Interesting, fun...
But unusable. For now.
If you create one modification, second, third, tenth, hundredth, thousandth, you already have a critical mass.
And that critical mass starts to modify everything else. That is how the new priorities are created.
New ways of something. Why people from Kazakhstan like to come here?
Exactly because of that. It's new. Unknown, confusing, but the feelings are there, its something different and you don't
know what.
People are easy. They are not simple but easy. But they can complicate things in a second.
Of course. - The emptying of the fridge and Sfera. Did I understand it correctly? - Should it even be emptied or...?
You just come here and...Or how do you do that? - Can you repeat the question please?
- Is there any sense in emptying the fridge?
- Who gives a ***? You will close the doors. You will stop the supply. The fridge is in your head either way.
- Empty and then close... - Ok. If you knew how to empty it and fill it what is Ruben doing on this planet?
- Well he will remain there. - Oh, pardon then.
- Is it something more then what we are doing in exercises? - You are already doing that in exercises.
You are doing that already. Never forget those exercises are experimental. This is a laboratory that needs to create
methodology. It needs to be finished because it's not yet done and needs to show as productive, implementable
for this specific civilization, for this profile of consciousness.
Only then will it spread. But that doesn't mean everyone will get fixed. There will be a lot of people who wouldn't
want to accept it. The form of placement needs to be slightly sniveling, tempting. But either way
there will be numerous conflicts. Either way. Those who own some capital, those who posses political strength,
those who lead the world as it is now, those who don't want to loose their position to control the world -
and you can control the world only then when you know how its conscious state functions. If everyone can all of a
sudden be like: Who gives a ***? - you can't control it. They are unpredictable. Path forward they steer left.
And that's the end of it, for them the world is out of hands. And they are afraid the world will fall into pieces, and it will.
So to get to the evolution, you need a revolution.
- Critical mass. - Critical mass, after which comes revolution. First the virus, critical mass, revolution, evolution.
- In some ways we are close to that methodology while in the others we are not.
- It is some 25 years away from final form of that methodology. This ape called human needs to modify.
Forcedly.
This remains the same but the content is smaller, different, speed is changed and amount. Plus emotions have now
surfaced as they are. Some disappeared. Greed is gone. - Greed? Really? - Where did it go? - Nowhere. There is
nothing to take. - The lesser the cake is... - Yes. With a smaller cake greed is not important. You are greedy but
the cake is too small. For example, greed during the war is not known. There is none - it's survival. But greed still
means that I have 10 of something, but I want a hundred more. That's greed. I have more things then I need...
- But I want more. - But I want more. Because I have to do something right? What do I do?
I already have 10 but I need only 1. Why not 11? What do I do? Enjoy yourself say others. I do! I want a hundred.
- There was a political article like that in the newspapers. Editor of one newspaper got an information from the
government officials that he is talking against Miskovic a lot, and could get in trouble. Very direct.
So he was wondering if he should continue and decided to do so. Now up until when he will do so, that's the question.
- It will be revealed to him. - Yes. - Will some other emotions also disappear?
Modifications of emotions is normal because it is a lot easier then modifying consciousness.
Because emotional spectrum is a biological spectrum. It doesn't belong to the brain. It belongs to biology.
Hormones. Biology will always produce that spectrum of emotions that is needed or wanted.
Depending on the desire. And desire depends on the content. When you have nothing to eat, you don't want a
Mercedes, you want water and bread. See, the emotional construct that is based on water and bread and not Mercedes.
Emotions are very adaptable.
Being used to an emotion is not a habit towards feeling that emotion, it is a habit toward conscious state that produces that emotion.
- It is actually a reaction. - Reaction yes. There is no problem with emotions.
Ok, more questions?
- I would like to ask something about the CLAA. Can you tell us what is the connection between those thoughts
that are, to say, not ours and CLAA? How do they influence each other and do they at all? Can one work without the
other...? And what do we do in all of that, and as you say, spoil? - Ill tell you.
We can be found in the brain, of the universe. We are, not thoughts, but parameters of thoughts of the universe.
If our thought parameter is this big, then the universe thought parameter is this big. Whatever exists in the
head of the universe belongs to the brain. Meaning your CLAA, it is a part of the thought of the universe or
the signals that are emitted. - Ok. - So Ill repeat, don't limit the mind of the universe and adjust it to the human one.
In the mind of the universe everything in the universe is a part of it. Even your physical matter is a part of it.
It's like neurons. A form that exists over here, that enables its normal functioning, is a part of the thought process.
If the form would change, the thought process would stop. So CLAA, is a part of the thought of the universe.
I am not sure if I could explain it differently. The universe is thinking
when it is giving you a specific and adequate quality of CLAA to your biology. - So the evolution in CLAA means
the thoughts can be changed no matter the consciousness.
CLAA doesn't evolve. It is wide even without evolution. If we are talking about the evolution of CLAA, we are talking
about a lot wider aspects.
His CLAA is a thousand times wider then he is himself that is using that same CLAA. Possibilities of that CLAA are
catastrophically larger then his conscious parameters. Because he... - Uses only one. - Consciousness itself is
used by him alone. - How much he limits himself he limits it. - So if we evolve it, let's say some 2000 years in the future
his CLAA of today absolutely satisfies those needs. His possible performances 2000 years in the future.
Second thing is that, that CLAA, fits him when he gets to the third level of evolutionary development. For example,
he visits Mars, not Mars, another galaxy, operates in spaces without time, but his consciousness doesn't fall apart.
He adapts on this or that way, or when he is in condition to change his personality, however he desires.
For those things his CLAA is not adapted. When the time comes you will get a new, evolved CLAA
with the possibility to change personality. What does change of personality means - simple change of
of these streams. Depending on the task. That is what is going to happen. For now, consciousness is a limitation.
A time will come when consciousness will be an instrument that you use depending on the task at hand.
But that is no human any more. There is no I want, I don't want, I can, I can't...a whole different spectrum of emotions.
He can't have birds CLAA. Very simple. Because he lacks muscles, feathers and so on. As well as control of such
muscles and the rest in his brain. - Does it matter how the consciousness is configured? It is just a human that uses
the consciousness of an ape. We can't be a bird. No matter the change will we be humans? - That will be a modification
of a gene that was based on Earth, I explain it as such, that during its evolution and transfer on other objects and planets
evolved further. That won't be called a human any more. But the seed, is human. Same as the seed in humans
is not from this planet. But we are called humans. We are not called dragons or aliens. That is an evolution
of humanity that is not called humanity any more. Not sure how I can explain it better. - It's ok, I understood it.
- In any case, to step back, CLAA will evolve.
Then. For now, there is no need for it to evolve for the next 2000....let's say 1000 years. Consciousness needs to evolve
not CLAA. That's the thing. The universe is waiting for you to use your CLAA to the fullest potential.
Instead you are limiting it with consciousness. And even further multiply that consciousness. Factually its the same
as an oppression. For example, let's return to our heads, some part of your head is multiplying - *** constantly.
Kebab, kebab, kebab...
It's an oppression. And then the whole system rebels, enough already! We don't need a kebab.
You mustn't. Eat macaroni. Kebab, kebab... It's exactly what is going on, on this evolutionary period of this planet.
This is a kebab evolution.
- You said previously that currently consciousness is forcibly changing. What does that mean?
- Yes you said so. - Consciousness doesn't want to change. - Who is forcing consciousness?
What affects it? - Earth, as a thought cell, or as a neuron, ok one is a lot smaller, is now in a quarantine as I've said.
Exactly because of that - kebab, kebab, kebab...signals. Earth is put into a quarantine.
What follows is suppressing. You know what that is? - What? - Ah ok. - Kneading.
Consciousness is forcibly, not changing, evolving right now. But doesn't...doesn't *** as it used to *** yesterday.
It just can't do it. No more conditions. It is the same but it is silenced. It's becoming blunt so to say.
Why? Because it used these channels, one, two, three, three basic paths.
To use these three it needs to have peas, water and salt in the fridge.
Peas is lessened, it is called money. What remains is water and salt and a few other things. So factually
it doesn't use this and this path. That is why you have so many thick people on the streets.
They literally went numb. Consciousness just doesn't perform as it used to before. And there are no new ingredients.
And so it doesn't know how to behave. Fools as far as the eye can see. That is how it is reflected.
Look at how people drive. - Yes. - Horrible. It's horrible.
- Two idiots always recognize each other. And always create some... - Third idiot.
- Two crazy men always hang around each other. Two alcoholics, two junkies, they can be on any distance.
They will always recognize each other. And they immediately create some sync, they start hanging out...
Two normal people need time to get to know each other, to create communication. Two crazy people, I noticed,
immediately click, two junkies, immediately recognize each other. They don't need anything, they immediately hit it off.
Let's go for a drink. Immediately. - Come on folks, let's bring this to a close. This topic has no end.
Yes you have the process of thinking. How you do that, that's embarrassing.
What you call a thought is actually ***. - Don't think when you don't know how to do that. - Exactly.
- But people have to think. - You can't otherwise. Universe demands of you to ***. In any case, it is now in some
quarantine, incubation period, and we will see what will happen, will it modify. Like it's under a veil.
We will see, a virus will come.
Or really anti-virus. Virus is an evolution. And we will see what happens. That doesn't mean it will all be healed.
If there is no healing then elimination ensues.
Humanity thinks they are the ***. Instead they are just a small diarrhea. Maybe not even that, insignificant for...
This is not an all ensuing evolution, even in our own galaxy. That doesn't solve anything. Potentially it would be nice
that it comes to the level where its existence is very important. But for now...
We can praise ourselves all day. But aside from us nobody will hear that. - Ruben, that elimination is something
like Atlantis or...? Something new will come after that or...? We save and modify further? - Every planet
that has its function in the that brain, is not to be blamed for people being idiots.
New people will be made. Who gives a ***? It's irrelevant. But if this operative quality is stuck,
it is getting cleansed and is remade.
Technology is far from what the universe asks. Everything is asks is this. And everything else is a support to this.
You can follow the technological path, it doesn't matter, there you go its the whole universe, go dig.
Everything is there. Dig around. Enjoy. Just form - this.
And then perform.
- Yes don't hope, if it is decided to clean the planet then you will be a part of that bin as well.
Now like - everyone will be gone, ill remain.
There are job openings everywhere.
- I have a question. There is a saying that the thought is faster then the universe. What is that about?
- That says a lot about people.
Thank you a lot. This was interesting. I hope it was cute. - Yes. - It was great.