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jeremy sure merck what is the re-election of margaret thatcher mean
for the united states
in my judgment they're going to be
three main consequences festival
it will get rid of the degree of uncertainty about
uh... nato and american bases in britain
which have been introduced by the labor party is campaign
secondly it seems to me
uh... mean that there will be a continuation all
uh... the expectation the public britain at least of the special relationship
with the united states
under can be a a certain degree of expectation on the part of the u_s_
government but the will be in international affairs ablaze in britain
which will be just generally in support
of united states policy
thirdly
uh... but this becomes a little on something
that is the
element in of fascism approach
which is looking to the united states as the mobile
uh... from which britain mainland and so
uh... in this particular aspect there's no into flattery up all of the united
states and also a certain degree of compatibility in ideology and outlook
with with the present your stuff
christopher hitchens same question
what does a reelection of margaret thatcher mean for america
will doesn't alter the time
that there is still in britain large majority in favor of the removal of my
braces
if the election to be known that alone
uh... nobody would have won it
it's to the events
so unsure rather they couldn't make that the issue if that would be a c jeremy
would be awfully wrong
majority of my fellow countrymen women don't want
to be an outpost of ronald reagan's foreign policy which brings me to the
second implication
which is off the leader of the free world and present united states and
uh...
chief executive made such a completion abject fool of himself and of your
country
in uh... venice what exactly referred i'm referring to his inability to
concentrate to remember to muster even the
poultry knowledge of it but it seems that an average newspaper it would
happen in the same
the same classical uh... incompetence this
that he'd manifest him
that we see him
towards the tail end of the dismissal presidency
and then we see in the wings is extraordinary moment
who has never really accepted yet have written a second-rate in any sense of
time
and who really don't
i think begin to
green herself for the world of elder statesman
of the west and um... having seen the division and and i i can't uh...
icon in any way cause you to look for to it
uh... spreading as a general thing
eyes talked like to talk a little bit about style just watch that clip
where the prime minister was speaking and what we might call
heckling
is coming from other members of parliament we would find that very
strange
uh... but what does happen on occasions not to the prime minister
um... describe how that works
opiates very much part of the british political tradition that's to say that
that
there's expectation that uh... anyone holding a senior project position in
britain and indeed uh... in who's in the house of parliament
uh... would be able
stand up and edit use
in a public place would be it would be indeed expect
to receive heckling will be able to make good use of it and
there's a further carry over to that which is that it's a feature of the
british political system
that margaret thatcher has to face question time houses
uh... of comes on a regular basis as do all covenant unwell uh...
indeed the the sorts of problems concerning prison break into which
christopher was referring
uh... alos maturity one couldn't imagine a uh... a senior figure in british
politics
uh... encountering a toll on the grounds that if if someone wasn't in a position
to handle some pretty tough questioning they could no longer
does that bother them much i mean do they respond to those remarks or did
they just
usually continue going on
had i been country i would have been one of the fact was not able to come up with
something someone keep a better than they were all that sort of loutish in
two directions that they managed i have in my time i liked but not
are for that to you side
too much problem of the most in in between the balkans and ominous since
war
seven his memos to you used to sometimes don't have to be sick before facing
question times commons
maybe new items i wouldn't have known to look at him that so seriously they have
to take it i quite liked to record maj in right
i noticed though that uh...
she avoided one of uh... the conventions these
counts where you graciously accept victory him she completely forgot to
thank our opponents
for fighting the clean and decent an excellent an admirable campaign and i
must say
i fear that that's a
notice deported for the future very much part of the present stalinistic forget
lauren
people country with this anyone disagrees
british election is over and margaret thatcher is one of the stork third term
tonight will be discussing now for about the next ninety minutes
and our guests are two experts and i guess you know by now they're both from
england germ issuer murry senior research fellow now for the institution
main studies at george mason university here in fairfax virginia
and christopher hitchens is washington correspondent for the nation and the new
statesman
we'd like to first start off by a talking about how big was margaret
thatcher's victories for as the majority working majority shall have in
parliament
but as i understand it
because the two being given at the moment is that you have an overall
majority of between
a hundred and four hundred and six
these is done a lot about forty on what you have before
on the other hand uh... it was pretty clear that that no one i think was
expecting that you get a majority quite its launch
uh... eat it
has come to a shop
as a shock not just the pundits but also its particular last night from shots on
on u_s_ television
if members of the incumbent
uh... it will make deed
squalls that of seats that that is being what will make no practical difference
that all in terms of the conducting policy
politics in britain
that is still that a good working majority
yeah i think i would i would give it to a time oxfam
one who is in prison
uh...
uh...
economist of the country
tempestuous palm
to get a third mandate
at this level
uh... is kazakhstan to has to be found
if she hasn't personally popularity do it
because uh...
and i'm sorry to keep on contrasting accepted free world
who she would rather be respected the night
i might be of
for example ronald reagan's he's a person who bubble which is to be loved
that should not income about to tree
mom's respect and there you can find many people in britain who do not like
uh... including large number of members of her own party in two different
cabinet personally find testable
you will not find anyone who thinks she's contemptible
uh... or figure for
and i went chicago
tell me about margaret thatcher's
governments for his her policies
noble ronald reagan's policies
describe
what it's like in britain
under thatcher
under-thirty regime
there's been a deliberate attempt to trying
to chef
britons
institutions
in the direction of a more market-based society
in the expectation that this will give more opportunity
everybody
this has been accomplished by mrs thatcher in the conservative party from
walt in certain respects is not to
uh...
healthy a starting point
well i mean by that is that
typically conservative supporters will be people who
more wide-open change
uh... who certainly made the
uh... it with the business background ball all concerns about sold
uh... but who wouldn't necessarily the
to opened to the kind of radicalism that that missus thatcher's approach in
certain respects espouses
what she's done has been commented on from quite a wide perspective
is to combines uh...
an appeal in the economic area of great deal of radicalism together with a
reaffirmation
uh... all
a traditional values
together also with
a certain uh... kind all
patriotic approach in matters of foreign policy
which the falkland islands i think was predicted convenient lost time for
positive is a very distinctive package is being put together a uh... and
special it's something which was
has managed to push through
changes which i guess a number of people who falls in britain would would would
have been pretty difficult to push through
but which them really does have uh... youth union quite distinctive elements
to it
and many other things you just mentioned sound very much like paul reagan's
philosophy
yes except that um...
reagan promised people instant gratification said everything's going to
be a pain
we should stop feeling bad about ourselves we should feel good again we
should congratulate
on another
and ourselves all the time
and you deserve
morin i'm gonna give it to you would have to pay taxes
but getting it
uh... you can now see the consequence with the deficit and with the devi
result in some start many other
unpleasant consequences that we are i think not very long finding out about
uh... with such as we know the difference she promised people sacrifice
and pain she said the countries being rotting
in mediocrity for long-time campaign itself
warnaco and i'm gonna turn the cold shower on all of you
i think she actually wouldn't have minded turning its
onto everybody but missus passed about it
country
i come from it doesn't color
and the most vivid impression i find returning henderson
is how a piece of this that
and how people who used to be
poor now really grateful of people who
understood seasonal unemployment now out-of-work perhaps forever
will have never had
pal um...
all that kind of things become a great deal more severe and social
and racial
regional visions
com
german you agree with that assessment
christopher's correcting some of what he said
but i'm not sure
to what extent of whether all problems which is indicated
they can really be
properly held to be the responsibility of the conservative party
might went there really is the number of the uh... of the problems particularly
all
unemployment of uh... of the structural kind and some
divisions
uh... which has fallen particularly heavily on some regions is something
which is far as i can see
any government with the ground
unless it's really very difficult to see how in a sentence
uh... you can't do much different
from what the present government is done
uh... grown to the present government
uh... acted uh... in a more precipitously
uh... unserved certain things which might possibly have been handled wall
smoothing over a longer period
uh... have been face more quickly
the difficult he wants the that
i guess you could say that
that those very sectors of britain's economy could be nana in a long period
of decline
which started before the second world war they got it done pretty bruised from
uh...
the conditions immediately after the second world war problems really weren't
would never got to grips with
and it's not clear to me that that it really does politically to point the
finger at mrs thatcher and say
how terrible these things are when it's just not fair that the the really is an
alternative
putting your calls in just a few moments there must be listed throughout the show
at the bottom of the screen and it will uh... like settled came in about five
minutes
before then we're gonna run a clip of some b_b_c_ coverage from last night's
election
let's have the latest
forecast on the basis of that user by david that's built up a forecast all
about the radio
the conservatives three item fifty one forty two a lot of them pile up that
fortitude unavailable for everybody to one forty nine opt for the the alliance
for the six down one and the others pretty fault plus three as just that
there wasn't too and see what we're forecasting currently the liberals in
the s_d_p_ will take eight
singles since the levels we say donavan
the s_d_p_
considering with it they had a nail polish
yellowstone default opt freeware four prostitutes for international body wins
in scotland
they desperately in mostar the new york chamber of the house of commons of let's
see what it looks like there we are in the side of the couple's chamber
businesses that are on the government benches wrong i think that is the three
of them that they want
the labor party mister taylor onto forty-nine and all the opposition
together subtract them from the conservatives and you've got the
forecast conservative majority now david of fifty two
you just mentioned about money pipeline courage what do you think of that
i'd just one thing i've noticed since the last election and and witness the
increasing dominance of bridgeport by what
we call american type
opinion polls on every front page and a leading every
useful
computer graphics
photo opportunity politicians who never really can speak shizzle
have press conferences i i don't think that deserves the name of american
myself because america
is a thoughtful and democratic country but the style of rasmus facebook
probably originated at two and it's taken over in the b_b_c_ my god i mean
can you imagine on cbbc
behaving like a discotheque
that coverage seemed to have a lot more emotion and i think
you find that most u_s_
gets just a moment of excitement and certainly one of the things that i
missed being over here is really the the
experiences
of staying up and getting quite excited even
it you can at home about the uh...
progressively recently
is with the move to think vision
just wait till we get that one of the straight-laced means
our first call from chesterton indiana you're on
or harder
it looked like the left-wing is in trouble all over
repair whatever their problem here too
and i think that chris ear infection near you know about nakki
and i propose we can expect you to be even more perhaps than usual this
evening
anyway where you applicants
or a quick
you know hidden uh...
paltalk our party here in this country called
uh... uh... democratic
we have several up in the dark progress
on the democratic side
interpol votes are
social also democrat
sort of a reverse
english fair but uh...
i think sound very much
they they're not identified here within your country
we really do have pre-party
uh... this carefully avoided whenever this
is mentioned i think kidnapping rock with pre-party
but i think it's rather
not really sinister overtones that
all porto shelley
first call
uh...
the democrats issues of america doesn't
uh... have the resources to run it
but you're right in saying that
board members of their policy
and a number of members of congress including cardinal members of black
caucus
will come to the essay convention would endorse a p_s_a_
motion for debate of the democratic convention what the uh... deus est says
it's like
like the labor party was in britain
um...
about seventy years ago writes to say the day but we know the liberal party
to a long time before they build up enough strength
declare a labor party on their own and i think it will take them
it would be a short time
record democrats versus america
martin is california you're on
it dinosaur case eric wright had old extract
the celtics awful from it
first of all in terms of weapons i'd like to go back
some of the opening comments that chris was making because uh... i think that
that he's quite right but there is much less enthusiasm in britain for uh...
nuclear weapons uh...
uh... all complete
prospect of of threats that they use and so on the than is
from uncertain and some of the major in the united states and the while
conservative party
uh... certainly uh... has falls on the program all uh... retaining u_s_ bases
and their also committed to
continuing
the orders for the triton weapons and
i think that birds
even though that that
uh... even within the ranks of the conservative party tecnimont this
amongst younger people
there's a much greater willingness to look very seriously uh... issues and
disarmament uh... the movie common in the united states those so that found to
come directly on this matter to the court to the first part of the question
i think that it would be wrong need to take
kind of endorsements
uh... that one go through the british election of
conservative parties police's
uh... as being done her support for uh...
uh... american lines on this and certainly i don't think that while
uh...
that that that one will get certain aka competes endorsement of
for example all
uh... current administrations uh...
uh... moves in the middle east
even the most conservative in even the most bell acres
uh... of people in britain look pretty moderate if put up against of some of
the people around him
the labor party was for
unilateral decide yet nuclear weapons
nobody would have made britain nuclear free enterprise
which would mean two things in our case would mean
first removing your bases michael
right you didn't have a chance to vote for them being there nor did we but
so let's say they'll u_s_a_ espace
uh...
from british so it would also involve coming up the pretends to britain
but independently have a nuclear war the so you know it's a which is a potential
economy
and great cost
maintained i thought that the connection made by the question of the train them
to be a raid and the bases was
was the good one
um... and i just i'll just say this about it
the reason why public opinion britain was so strongly against
participation response fishman liberated austria
uh... was this in a surprise many people have how large the repudiation until
the raid took place not many british people knew how many american bases that
were
snot usually discussed by the government
and weren't aware of the united states could launch airstrike on other
countries and british
uh... with parliament in the press being unaware of this
and since the that realization has
deepened if you will
extended
you have begun to law school
when did we sign this agreement when was the treaty
when department but listen found of course that was never any such
uh... democratically validated and that's not going to go away
uh... mister booked them at this point
well as they say shared basis
do not know the u_s_a_
just just united states
let's go to burbank illinois you're on
burbank in there
labor said during the selection believe that there was an ever-widening gap
between the haves and have-nots
expand on that will be
yet so i would
elicit sounds a little bit me
certainly
that's certainly been shipped in the distribution of income in britain
uh...
quickbooks significance one st into them unpacking isn't two p_m_
when i say that
will basically be strategy behind the conservative government in britain
is to try to shift britain into
system
which will generate wealth better which will give incentives almost certainly on
the part of the conservative
um... there's a strong belief that you have to trickle-down effect
uh... fro uh... and
uh... chin
uh... in addition
the is the
but it means important to do something
pretty radical
to redress the
slu relative economic decline desperate that britain has been suffering
over quite a long period of time
i think there was a great deal of
self conscious awareness about the fact
one was going to make a more market-based society work effectively
this would
involved
greater dignity of economic inequality
bombs
and here is the big buck
the argument was but once the syndrome for a bit
uh... one would get benefits
which would could be spread
more widely through the community no one would then actually have a wealth to
help those people who couldn't help themselves so what i would want to do
very much on this is on the one side to bite the bullet and say yes
in certain respects
liberal position
to go for
a form of social organization
which has a greater degree of inequality in it
but with the sistine as being a new
engine for the production of a lot of things that the worthwhile
i want to relate these two things together
such that if chris possibly says that the inequality
that's involved in making such a move is unacceptable
i'd be interested to see whether there is some other in june
be uh... which could be have to generate the the more positive concert
well from our baxter's draws attention
the audiences this that uh... and hegemony deserves grateful
frank about it and so does
mrs thatcher um...
what makes that show uh... factura
is not that she accepts the fact of britain's ruthlessly about it because
income and also it will finish
very hottest hospital in wisconsin
uh... but that xin self-consciously praises god
um... back his knee
that is also why she's so wanted his life but it's also why she deserves
credit
but she doesn't
pretend that it can or should
in view be outlawed
that swatch that's what we talk about
that's a baseline which to stop tool
come back on this
because i think that on the topic of inequality one's got to distinguish
between inequality pretend sake
an inequality
uh... all the salt which it's argued will emerge in and well working
market-based economy
not uncertainty that all kinds of forms of inequality the the the one they did
in many many places which mrs thatcher and i would guess most of the
but even the conservative party who favor the views
redeem old very cute little i mean says some of the people all home walking or
on that
on the paternalistic interpretation of conservativism would
would like certain other kinds of inequality but but where possibly
traditional landlords would have a double booking off to that that they
retain us too
in return for talking with a lot to do with the women within the locked after a
bit intended liberal new
uh... grows
eight at an attempted solution to britain's problems i think that he
doesn't need to think that the enough
just to stop by saying all be these things have undesirable features to them
shoul
but the situation that britain has undesirable features
consider i mean if you if you went from at both of us uh... a relatively young
but i think that within the lifetime of both of us if one went
uh... countries on the continent of europe and when we break when we were
young
uh... what would be struck by the meeting in various ways kind of quite
charming but a bit to correct it
if undefined goes but brought into europe not including the north of big
city
uh... was struck by the fact that here when it got its older
affluence of a country which really only has to be found in the context of
britain midland
thumbs-down with certainty that the whole gamut supposes it's been tried
before
bike the conservative neighbor body how can go anywhere
touch at least was has been trying
eight solution to these things and it was rejected
i think what one needs to hear is
what's really is
the workable alternative
echols from san diego you're on
and
but
until i agree with him too
citizens under a fourteen thirty now
uh...
are behind were happy to say there's a common but there's a vase is a question
it was to meet and
i'd say this about it
since i'm forty five pm very very heavily state run economy
but also very very capitalist one
and the another point of interest thatcher's interests
that she uh... believes
britain has been in a sense of socialist electives
society
recent structural seized the prime minister
of uh... that's nonsensical opinion
doesn't fit with any known factoring in theory
doesn't quite wrote of its power because it's certainly true
that that was about inefficient public ownership
a great deal what i would call craft unions
trade unions
simply acting syndicates for the protection of members what you might
call on the waterfront ratings
and and a great presumption
of subsidy in the case of any business that several go into trouble
and most of them to conservative governments conservatives
uh... nationalized
rolls-royce which is very simple
right
thus one has to say that at least in theory thatcher
uh... does believe that everybody
to it
and believes in that top-grossing rather than piracy
uh... and so forth but i would go about us basically of stuff fine
in fact that the tax breaks that she's given to this it would be a little
businesses
happened b
awarded but this
like michael for
what to make two comments first of all
one thing which is i think extremely
too many people in britain
the way in which
many people apostle
from the opportunity
using them
ammunition
uh... its
really pretty grim the way in which
innocence the people haven't been at the right
place but the right point of time right qualifications don't really have a
second charles u_n_ which within
uh... many different places especially
uh... large state-owned enterprises but this kind of e forces has carried over
to a considerable extent into into private business
if someone shows
initiative
uh... if that were to be told
if they uh... haven't come into the rightful qualifications than the feeling
of hope
and certainly one thing which i think he's been extremely
striking
the activities all
the conservative under thatch
has been a week to try to break
these very deep seated institutions and
yes i did something which it seems extremely difficult to do
went with certainly they have grossed this particular metal in the way in
which no one else
dawn regiment and for the maturity of uh...
there's
we are just a few minutes but um... let me just say nama might be the times that
it's very striking
you can have made a video
uh... they would never try it
escalate really yeah your picnic
made a video of the country would never tried before and this for some reason
have tremendous effect moved in fourteen points out
in the opinion polls than the morning off russia and
highpoint ten
giving a speech in wales
working possible sent
why am i request number
wise my life
we come from a thousand generations workers soldiers
and games plans
uh... artisans craftsman
was it because with the net worth
was it because we were lazy
was it was in a week no it wasn't
and it was because we never had a thoughtful
you know how to party whenever money we never had any of the boxes says it's a
simple thing with higher education
now the fact that in britain
in nineteen eighty seven and if you like that and have such a tremendous
so many people recognize themselves
inception
is a tremendous condemnation of the west side
people know they've been with
they saw their parents
knives squandered
with no opportunity method for cost reasons
and that still remains the most salient fact about
about our country and ivp
therefore fit
dealing and illusion
but the something is that it's very kind of institutions which the labor party
then
uh... towards historically and which
his father can see that would be another indication that the that if they don't
mean that they'd be willing to move away from
which which is just so
to cement people into the the
uh... kind of traps that they had been an
granted everyone units everyone and it's it's really rob nice labor parties at
least *** laude reagan probably
well what they don't seem to understand it is that own
way in which they'd been conducting a fence and uh...
riddhi in many ways constituted problem
and certainly mania of features all
police's at the present conservative government which op talk reducing pretty
ruthless
but it is a radical attempt to get to grips with the tech to be problems
when it did
the problem on the other side in in terms of all of the labor party
projecting
and what was it
it's as if yes that big problems and uh... we care about them and we will do
something
what was actually government done was only the not too terribly specified or
where it was
it looks as if it was going to and not
begin call back
behind the exactly the same kind of traditional institute
uh... particularly in terms of the trade union movement in britain
which in many ways and i i think from some of the rocks you've been making
uh... uh...
but pretty much everyone accepted
being the major coolsat
let's go up again to knowingly newton massachusetts you're on
harry uh... thank you very much
right
there
irreparable
perry
act
sorry poorer
allied party or
electoral
for
uh...
mostar provides certainly become
the great emerging female british demography obviously a gossip matt
makes it very dramatic uh...
an old friend of mine won a seat last night for the first time in tennessee
summed declining shipbuilding nominal fees
consider the contents on some didn't hold his deposit which mexico but based
house votes
and my friend chris mullin
full-version tribune amount watch by the way uh... increase their majority in
some of them by something i ate teen sent
now those bits muslim molding cost
this is just a working-class town
wooden vitoria to save his life um...
but with those birds
simply go to elect one more in pain
if weather was proportional representation you get a quite different
spread
obits and seats across the country and i do think that given out of scotland and
wales
hardly a lecture anyone for the governing party which has
morrissey clean power and
and at the third party has
not got seats in
washington's school
unfortunately the something in the british temper
totally disagree with
that's against united fudging the choice quite wants to have a clear winner
throughout common appear decisionmaking choice in that
will never take it out in option
of a bunch of small parties who often *** then get together and fix it in
smoke-filled rooms memo democratic
so that it's fair to say that on extreme left office ka gold miners union is the
proportion
and on the center right people at work and
that it's still just doesn't convo hot
if i can come in on this post a little some
it is there and it is real it is there a little bit patchy
uh... certainly a friend of mine microphones terms
the dislike to diminish but
uh... majority but a very small majority uh... in
what went on the top ten and that the other other such cases
what is i think noticeable and
when talking to follow my iphone this all the pups
spins counting on the maltese
is the extent to which
uh... people that
indeed in people who
and preserve in their jobs
in typically i the government sector or in heavy manufacturing industry
which has been helped out by government
a bond consequences the that even in areas of extremely high unemployment
uh... they've been opportunity for various government schemes to encourage
people to start up
that this is an
in a small way
comparatively negligible take a
has to say it seems to me that
uh... is been pumping effectively north-south divide isn't it time culture
which has been created in some areas involving quit
such that
outside of certain traditional
but if i i think you never to be declining forms a of industry
and had to be declining because these uh... problems within the industrialized
countries
into competition with
people's initiative it has in this instance at
unquote certainly it's a big job to consider and and and it's difficult even
to consider
what government policies computers is are not pool show but uh... a policy
said responding to this person involving
but essentially more saying what was recreated the problem
it is going to help
as to proportional representation and i i think that that person's right on this
with one possible exception which is the proportional representation is typically
something that they need food
party in britain will say israeli mother's idea but uh... it works to the
advantage altered to large but if the possibilities to britain
what's the advantage all of the two large boxes britain so so that they
would be highly unlikely to agree to to make any move
even if you're on the losing side
because the they'd they do pretty badly
uh... out of it
another element to it is
that insofar as both within the conservative party and than the labor
party
you have people who take the view that some quite radical action is needed to
desperate problems than they were also going to show either way
from a a system
uh... likely to insure but no action
to pop in and he
enemy dramatically what's written down
at a clip from the labor party one of the labor party leaders excuse me last
night like to see that now
muna scanner uh...
uh... dubbed the dream ticket that there's nothing in the pacific stands
firm
and what about the losing control they would not have a great deal you from for
it if it will result
mccarthy
definitively principal mexican
when i first last campaign
we've reestablish labor party whatever happened tonight
as a great national party
people who were talking or sickness
but the death of the love part industrial andres
on talking about it anymore the airlines have packed into political oblivion
whatever happens in line for the party of their and is the alternative gotten
to respond
your that resented under jim site space
remarkable reasons i wanted to be removed
it is a good he's um... you have to say that of course
uh... the fact is no
they were party has lost
three successive elections
without a shadow
of toughest resolving free crushing defeat
from a woman who was derided when she first degree party has a right wing
extremist for that
what she herself since
who'll torrent
rightly as she said to run
uh... but she has found something
uh... in the british lectures
try has demanded wait for disney risen near to a non political campaigns
con replica
now that's a serious defeated perhaps we pretend otherwise
part of what dimensionality
reestablish the labor party expense of the alliance well-read party however
people ought to be but he listens gives himself alive are talking about three
parties
uh... the fact is the by conceding that there is now three party system
he's amazing that uh... labor card even mobilize all the anti tory burch which
it used to be able to do effortless
and if you're free partisan britain labor committee will be a majority
government
and so i think mister has the is whistling
current like anything yes if i could
i think that one feature of the labor party company picked up
uh... quite a lot of the listed expecting line
it was the specialty in
for example these commercials a
uh... cannot and his wife
bouncing of kept plots and then in a way not unlike uh...
uh... will
president and his wife in in in in previous such films that that that that
attracted the attention
of and interest all these people
on the way that's quite symptomatic and relates to
appointed making
to save the labor party
based aidid
of uh... the periods
arguing on since nineteen
which is really the in britain
uh... political attitudes voting day
dictated in many ways
people such economic status
kind of job which they're important so on
the labor party is in this respect unlucky the has been uh... undermining
of it's unnatural base of those people who
uh... really develop full would vote for the labor party as they did
equip themselves now since nineteen forty five
has been a gradual process of destabilization all such
knee-jerk support understanding something which gradually the liberal
party has picked up
uh... which when the social democrats joined them they just simply continued i
mean that there there was no there was no
for big restricted to simpy continuation of a trend that was that
but these people controllable typically from mike across the city spectrum
and they fight against also will be people who might be a probable responses
to declined *** labor party made
certainly the labor party didn't do because well did rather better than one
might have expected
unwitting the evening being to take the stand about getting
those birds and that sort of support if i remember the labor party
it was supportable role the different kind
from that which i depend on previously
the less the by the party itself
uh... blooper willing ready to turn its back on its roots along
let me tell nigel companies and make a pitch for the kind of territory but
levels in the senate democrats about britain
i need to be very difficult for them to retains
let's go to portland oregon
old opera
now
okay
the
very
to tool for us but i didn't mean to imply that the american base in britain
are like say the american
basic here but
uh... that that
that they're part of
united states to attend
uh...
spas and of the quintana basic interest an example of that
uh... aren't clearly their main british soil but they do they are not on the
bridge control anymore on the cruise inflation missiles
uh... and it was never a treaty
uh... as there is
with other countries in which braces aside
nor was there ever debate in parliament than it is this that fuels
must purchase so
if i was in such a thing about that before that time now
estimate so i think you you'll
you're not quite so is it in contrast to the c
isn't that too
a two-tier
no
earn
v
to tool for us but i didn't mean to imply that the american base in britain
are like say the american
basic here but
uh... that that
that they're part of
united states to attend
uh...
spas and of the quintana basically within itself
uh... aren't clearly they remain british soil but they do they are not under
british control anymore cruise version missiles
uh... and it was never a treaty
uh... as there is
with other countries braces aside
nor was there ever debate in parliament obstinate is this that fuels
must present so
if i wasn't specifically about that before the time now
as for may so i think you you'll
you're not quite so is it in contrast the c
isn't bad
a two-tier
european economic community
hotly symmetrical with the two tenacious
southern european countries such as greece
tokyo doesn't get quite in the e_c_ and and icily
have always had a lot more fractious relationship with the nato
like because they really aren't
and the uh... them an orthodontic house have
uh... i think you're right though that there is a
fissile tendency that that's what i think it is is one that uh... has a more
western european
and that groups to create in the end uh... europe the cam
defend itself doesn't need to be at the mercy
or by the city
now in his
admittedly bacon sometimes nancy
absolutely yet
expressive mrs thatcher is cool peeps from schools
she's not much of a european and never has been
particularly
mailto good
but uh...
none of that happy
about the apparently automatic subordination
making united states
in foreign and defense policy into revert to the question you asked earlier
i think that
nero set when she becomes when your president
itself
the senior european statesman one might find paradoxically that it would be the
tourism which are team more
independent
and european coursework that'll be very interesting
since need to be
leslie
on this
to be something extremely attractive about the idea
uh... western europe the coming going to be responsible for its and parents
um...
this i think it would have in the longer term
defusing consequences on on the international scene because
uh... measures which
the united states
uh... maybe taking
in the
defense of the west is a whole
uh... kind i think the burial will crawl threatening
uh... whereas if
or western europe will involved
essentially with it with defensiveness and measures just for itself
uh... then it will be rubble difficult for anyone else to uh...
picture these things and being aggressive
the difficulty about that
uh... is the cost of it
uh... i mean that's to say that beat the problems facing
uh... europe
uh... outside of them
who is going to pay for a look at this time
uh... one of the problem i think facing unit in is the following
uh... suppose that he had been returned
on the pop on the declared policy
the first thing mama's oscars uh...
what would actually have happened
uh... we didn't really have been the case that uh...
uh... america would be most of the current spaces would would would this
with the direction taken with a little bit skeptical about that
but they supposedly world
and any other
western european government involved in the situation of of really having to
spend it and feet
would be faced with doing what will
either
keeping its own nuclear forces is a going concern and this is something that
but that britain has as down there that towers are identified with it but it's
frightening expensive
or what
conventional forces
uh... if one looks at that
conventional forces in britain
the the cost of getting these up to relisted level as compared to the to the
u_s_s_r_ is quite phenomenal also would lead to enormous difficult as white
because britain doesn't have any form of conscription
what is going to campaign for mfa
but the comparable numbers of people who alone
uh... again to be sitting in trenches watching what what you know
russian counterparts they'd be the realities of this i think so it's not a
stop to get um... revere that problematic so
well it seems to me that there's only more was among the three unlawfully
about the
current situation
uh... if as by the western europeans are concerned they get quite a mystery right
at the expense of the united states
uh... ans pride in a way that the u_s_ is actually willing to pick up the tab
for this one
and i would expect uh...
with the passing of time uh... four
uh... u_s_ to itself take more of an isolationist move uh... and for the
responsibility of knocking off itself to be to be placed a bit more firmly
on western europe
then would require the western european governments acted to bite the bullet
and incident what realistically that would do
in terms of meeting the enormous cost of
the uh... of differences with the puzzle
let's go into the gulf coast pensacola florida
you're on the air
i have
arms characteristic
by no means the senate
historic enemies very tactful
no
well
it's about a reckoned i'd
consideration but i can tell you that uh... until the congress party contested
this election
has every election britain since the war
getting a total i think about fifty thousand roads anexo done better than
that cover them p's and q point com
no i haven't sent
in the last few years of reformist parties vision to
question its relationship to save
and i don't think that those two willow survive i think it should be
people
whose party
liked shows
right now we're going to go to a club
social what i would like to emphasize that the following well the communist
party as an organization is quite separate from the labor party
uh... many people who would have used similar to those in the communist party
off
members and indeed in some cases leading man
uh... it was historically the case uh...
st just off to the second world war that the labor party with particular king
the systematically root out
people who
not exact people who holds onto use but but but certainly people who were
suspected all membership all
communist parties all the forms of organized marxist groupings
there has been uh... decided but weakening on this particular point
within the labor party acuna cousin so rather dig into simple militant tendency
which is a pain in large grouping within the labor party who
i think can be pretty reliably the
uh... identified as uh... members all a particular props gets political party
and they they themselves were planted and as such things and architect
what is striking is that while the number of people on the right of the
labor party
a lot of a certain extent canning kam self
identified with the the wish to do something about this
a good number of very senior people within the labor party not take the view
uh... substances within the labor party uh... ob
competed to determine indicates most appropriate than any action should be
taken against
so that in this but in this kind of respect i don't think that i being
unfairly profits
uh... one can say that while to be sure that is this
filling uh...
uh... british communist party
there are many people all
symbol of yours
or in some cases slightly more radically monsters used who were indeed are
members of the labor party under certain number of them have not been elected as
as they turn these
a talk briefly about the alliance partner mcconico clep
first of all
besides social democrats
liberals
thirty miles i get that right
was in the alliance
know the alliance
courses over doesn't it is in the last part is you had to say to school the
alliance for convenience
is an electoral
between the old liberal party of historic liberal party of gladstone
asked if you will that used to
even atul pocket government was eclipsed by labor unified century
and of the social democrats
with who also came to the party
locked in the main
people who defected from draper
complaining of a drift to the left
the late nineteen seventies and early nineteen eighties
including several from account
is is a risk marriage if you can join either party but you will you would find
it though
that any in any considers you one puts up and that the other will mean they
have
unintended
let's go to that sound clip of the can now
what was wrong then with the alliance campaign
well i'm not sure
that anything was wrong
i think the message you know he loves
net world view mister obviously learn lessons from campaign
but it's a little
steinman main question is
what was
with the concerted message why does that still managed to hold up i think the on
certain
but we weren't
we didn't come from stronger
to give people
confidence steamy incentives
and that's been the problem that they have strong law
and they must be many conservatives have exactly like yours conservative
governments has been doing and yes fairer
variety of things
allowed him to come and vote for us nor indeed these fish numbers from impulsive
nine of us have done well
all you personally now prepared to consider
emerged with them
well this is a massive for the members of the participants in the universe is
this
i'm a democrat i'll talk to sort of most democratic party and at seven being in
this country and uh... we have one member one better valid arrangements it
will be discussed i don't think myself to ship carrying two decisions
immediate solutions may appear that's also real problems that also creates
many problems uh... i don't think back in
but at this stage one should make any firm decision except to say it's a
perfect
legitimate debate she's bound to go on and all parties will be steps to talk
capsule for *** c and it will in all probability goes through this
what do you work which are assessed at sei
his statement well
the alarmed certainly haven't done very well in part i think it was the full of
the leaders of the airline's leads to say that there was a they built into a
mess about their own
uh... diesel defense policy uh... there was also an ambiguity as to
if they had come in the position of effingham and that's a very souls
or of being in a position form some sort of coalition government one of the other
parties
but the crew would have taken the lead between him
and steel
they were also kids it seems to me on this particular case and by the source
of soul that was given
by the labor party to milk in it
has to say for looks back
point at which the social democrats left the labor party one in which it looked
very much as if increasing park
falling into the hands of the
strong left wing people in labor party
in which also a lot more part was being given to the local activists in the
various uh...
different
parliamentary constituencies
as opposed to
uh... the way in which things at work before which is the the sir
things have been settled essentially by the being done by the parliamentary
labor party who much more to the right
what happened with the particular so given this time to the labor party
that kinnock was emphasized indeed
has been in the position to exercise these for the time being a bit more
authority in party
such that the very thing that left then led his people to go out of the labor
party
with null null keenan in any very obvious way there
also they did this the problem is moving with with with can frolicking across the
clips retreat certainly looked at the track didn't seem to use
used to uh... uh... uh... leaders of the allied uh... looking i think this
increasingly cv as time went well so
on the in in a way the the alone
the media's attraction particularly all
david owen group who was
was seen very much of those taking british politics
in a row the self-consciously american direction that uh... this
the impact of that
was lost in favor of the particular sort of campaign
meyer farrakhan chinaman
my favorite
i think a distilling opportunist minuscule when they seek to until two
as wanting to be one knowledge looks at much likewise as a stillbirth
that there was an occasional which they both appeared on them
and would be an interview
looking like to them
ashu give it more like i was in costello dvd and answer and um...
the interview are still a proper question off which is which
party of the other two main parties do most consider
uh... you arrival which deep which you must decide
and steel was opening his mouth say the tours and david ensor delayed because
the defense
and still just so shut his mouth and sent back well thats
burns answers correct i can tell him until you mean there's no room for two
toward
we've already got a very very big one territory
estan el paso texas you're on
her
it are
yeah
are to
ali
detail
theory
art finger when
we
full measure
with the disaster the arrangement
will be spoiled for choice
side which was steepest long-run thing did but among them
high on the list will have to be
inauguration a trade war with japan while trying
uh... two-edged
three miniaturized
won all the other server not but
going to have the most profoundly harmful
it would be awfully long europe accomplishments n
yes if i can just pull in briefly first of all
i think that this is mister all one doesn
uh... it seems to me that
in japanese products uncertain
features of objective management
removed from these people going to men see
and uh... i i think that this be extremely short sighted review for you
with two
attempt to excluding pro-market
in terms of
assuming the cost of defense
bench so difficult one and certainly given the misgivings about
japan but still seem to be a very real natural barista i think that that it
wouldn't be
uh... very welcome suggestion to to consider nation real and defense costs
possibly
uh... but i think that the the important lesson really is too
that we should be landing is that we should be keeping our markets open that
we should be willing to learn
to imitate as indeed the japanese done so that um... we intend to talk better
treatments
uh... as they did it with some of them
burbank illinois you're on
eka
uh... i was wondering
about this
greater thatcher chronology a falkland islands
nader they handled it
within predicate made out with five thousand approve right beat up on the
controversial uh... q
structured workers margaret thatcher higher to build a paris trip concord i
think probably
case uh... we really have a prenatal kelly reportedly green web
and uh... article is upset about that
radio collar up at that don't worry about the american taxpayer little
either airport
and also i want to get arrested uh... autopsy puked out there at the ballpark
and uh... you know article p_r_ that i was just wondering microbiologist right
rome washington like you might 'em
there were i mean wrong i'm not just in chronology uh...
the i was a great at the time of the the airport was being built depicted such
workers at the request of the canadian government which needed
an international airport which united states government didn't think it would
be allowed to her
because it said it could be used for military aircraft and prove the point by
landing cacao vision of uh... and um...
well rather
absolute exactly what's going to be part of uh...
or some time off the phone
there was a british objections
in greeley really a matter of
and will prob
vation because
but it was a member of the commonwealth its head of state a semester
units second
and it was felt
that the british at least have been told
if american forces been abused
in such a country
the response to that
things to say well
will join over the four comes didn't we
which wasn't which is really a non sequitur onset
uh... i was pretty true because actually if either
presently have been carnage
general got areas is fascist to ship objectively they could get away with
anything
in return for it's helping the death squad nicaraguan country
which it was doing there would know they would look ever most of the arrogance
standard opens in the first person who will be spent a great deal of trouble
i think there were britain's own fault in the construction the airport i think
in the control tower bringin
some systems it is true to say that the present government which is
uh... reps and very undeveloped country indeed had foreign aid from
holland from switzerland belgian prospered though
the
crucial matter that was the the
with the chemical
motivated yeah
yes i i recall being in the u_s_ just off the the british invasion of the
falkland islands and uh...
with attending a triple being given by the american economist marry rough
bother me dot on tue onto some of these matters
and i suggested in the end but possibly
the best
moved reagan could make to alicia lah reelection
will be to persuade the cubans to lend ellis island and then a ceremonial
expelled them
uh... i i didn't would be a bit time that someone might have been listening
to this uh... announce uh... within the u_s_ up to this business in granada
we've heard so far from the alliance from the labor party and now it's time
to hear from the conservative party freaking out that clip now
what about what all the police's particularly to think that have
attracted people to the conservatives once again the time
strength of the economy
uh... uh... openness about how proposals in contrast of the seat of the labor
party
and the way in which the labor party was caught out time and time again trying to
conceal its policies
and eventually of course the incident sulfur one particular like a shadow
minister becoming very abusive when he was corpau
you think that instant referring to that mister helium mister heelys
uh... instant on t_v_ i_m_f_ what it will affect on the floor well i think it
just shop and lee
point that we were making that there is a great element of to see some hypocrisy
in labor party it on the line that
what about the position of assistant what would you say was her contribution
to the success thirty one how much has been made of
position as leader unless the person for whom people vote for don't well i think
she and i am dot colleagues and uh... all the conservative party workers in
the country of minded between us
uh... and i think that's the right way to the fact that uh... a team effort
as she knew that it and the rest of us back to top
and they voted so far on these indications seem to given her voter
approval
pressure greed assessment
uh... more than i'd like us are fun to have it
uniquely to test for packed uh... i'm i wish i had the local knowledge to be
sure of what he means by the denis healy
incident and very may know but i i can imagine what it must be must be that
uh...
denis healy who is spokesman for former defense policy parties know not to be is
keen on some and not expect that
ka came out
the truth is that i think labor did rather tried
i've tried to run without taking any of the shoppers is
uh... where they might not too much
show might reveal parties
so people but cannot grow
and a found that there is a sort of skepticism in the electorate that
doesn't respond to that but knows when it's been himself so probably would have
done no works
to run on the left program honestly
them to be suspected of having one pretending not
if i could comment on that
seems to me picking up
tibbetts point before most what really in britain's contribute strength on
monday
the big achievement of the present after government
uh... being to check
the powerful the
british trade unions
which should have
particularly conservative
louis who go to depict the conservative falls in in the sense of making
innovation difficult
and under really making it big
very very difficult for management to manage
for investment to go into areas that were profitable
into britain ready to respond to changes elsewhere in the world economy
problem concerning the labor party an innocent spot
i
i think that people in britain are consid
hidden question along the divinity come out is whether the labor party
it had to go back into power
would really intending to restore
to the british trade union movement
not only
privileges that have been
removed from the trade union movement uh... by the conservative party
but also
praha in terms of and ability to come
to have a big say
in the direction which an investment in industry would convert
the problem is ready this
talk about bridesburg
folk for workers it is really extremely attractive to complain about the i'm
paul recalled all british
company is uh... in investing in in and capital in britain's is
uh... again uh... of a striking
the difficult duty is
the british trade union movement thurs
difficult uh...
at any moment spree
has reviewed
enid string unhelpful falls
in terms of britain's responses to change it
but that the labor party because of its extremely close ties
through the treaty and in fact historically
having been to bring you the preacher of the treaty movement couldn't get them if
if reelected but i think army considerable concessions to work this is
an
and i think that in this manner
i guess most people would see
as really an enormously important contribution of the protein mate
that would be to be dis
it's got to bail colorado iraq
are
under just finished saying that i thought they tried to run
uh... when on political
presidential time
campaign
so i got your point that extend or implied point to a question
uh...
it's not the allegation most commonly made
the uh... i guess misconduct against that too much income but
with poses the to specifically i dont
uh...
and off for to be
uh... policies that
this is the trade unions
condemned by history i an antiquarian attachment
when the case of defense
arousing
concern
granison but
without nuclear weapons britain would be dependable
these are the
these are the policies and these are the reasons why never tried to run the
numbers will come back
though they were justified in saying that they didn't have
like to briefly just switch to british television
there are no paid political advertisements lower
uh...
in all it for you to make a
have to be minimum
three-and-a-half weeks
so what is coverage like
where the saturation but it's though its over to watson and by the bc you know
the balance rule if you interview
onboard b_b_c_ news bulletin
the government party you've got to have equal time for it but it's been
complicated by the
presence of project contains two parties but
in some proportion to support
in that case
they get equal time to you can't buy t_v_ time policy
your reaction address each candidate's and manifesto
is a his or her inconsistencies giving out free
twice once when the company begins wants them
so there's no money to be spent
enlightenment that way
all these no reforms for the students to achieve vince
it's anastasi great emphasis to on polls
they clear
is there any way to get away from that and that's complain you heard united
states now
reporters don't want to talk about issues
wanna talk about holes in them that question keeps coming up in these
characters how do you get away from that well one way in which you might start to
get away from it is by reflecting on the accuracy
e boldness basin and with
uh... in a situation where the conservative party is picked up maturity
old
uh... over a hundred
uh... when no one expected that especially those people who got being
guided by the polls also got the gradual emergence in in britain of a great deal
of action symptoms all responsiveness to say
evening from an overall knowledge of what the uh...
percentage of the votes wasn't because of the picked up their party picked up
and so on
uh... it's extremely difficult to to make predictions what this
that means is that that ***
on gets polls
um... going for much more particular preferences in under specially
preparing for what may be important factors in particular model seats i'm
not sure though that that would have to say that i mean that would be what great
care uncertainty is what great kept by the people running the campaign's for
the political punches uh... it wouldn't i think the court is news workday
uh... in terms of the of media so
if unless the polls and we can get their act together
omega i guess in the indigent a certain uh...
the emphasis on an important
the baltimore maryland you're on
uh... whispers
carry
support
question
would like to say
the chances
charges of such a person been greatly reduced
batch of because it's been in that sort of thing
well you'll ***
to whom
makes much too much difference too much
that's been criticism
i wouldn't say that you made any better
and it's very noticeable that the
the three-and-a-half million also people con blood which is say roughly
eleven to twelve percent were
all right of people who
from aging industries incision in his will to do about
the school leaving
that's a lot of people will never work again
or people who've never had a job yet
and those are the two things that make it to keep pressing problem it's not a
seasonal cycle unemployment c it's it's becoming a pr
were close on
and that's
that war was labor's big
attempted team in the campaign and though it didn't work would go away as a
question
it certainly telephone people in such a situation if they are living in london
in the southeast
uh... they can probably get employment
again defaced many more difficult isn't finding someone who can afford to live
uh... if they're in more than sitters particularly those which are had a
uh... at the traditional of large-scale manufacturing employment uh... then the
situation is extremely tough
the conservative party has put enormous amount of effort into
various kinds of youth training schemes and they are they now have moved to a
situation where they guaranteeing people uh... vacation related training for a
couple of years after after leaving school
uh... that phone uh... anyone who compiled otherwise get implement
what what is going to save more efforts to be put into that and
it's it's a good so much a difficult situation it just because
uh... in such people with
competition certainly in in many that traditional forms of employment for the
night of the to uh... with
uh... developing economist who in many cases have moved into just those areas
where
the previous generation uh... these young people would have been plant
or serrano it's more of a voted for government believes the time fund is a
good thing because it could be used to this tribune
held and where john is and that therefore
but the threat of the dole queue will discipline them in the market
uh... and that he and uses that as the main instrument
the market
that's not a government saying what we do about it but that's a government
saying
we want to know if i'm going to be able to do this do you think
mrs thatcher could
she would not
uh... produced for this election
really radical
uh... decline in
uh... unemployment figures
i will
category said yes they tried for the election
accuser and wants to
bring the figures dot mainly by creating book
but i will say that the original creation was involvement constantly but
yes it was a it was a means
was the means by which they did something he would just praise
which would bring the trade unions under control
like a one other thing three blacks were elected to parliament understand this is
a first
are just about to say and and
it's even worse if you're young black
but raja what's going on
yeah that's it's not a first
historically because the were there's a new level of indians in the uh...
twenty two billion michael barone sakal product was what was being first
indian and the first policy also first communist
um...
other than that this is a for distorted
i think we went on
yes that's right
uh... the taurus taurus can claim to have the first jewish prams first back
to the prime minister
and the first female
survey report isn't that bad but it'll go hard for them to cavity
any serious back on that day
made too many appeals to racial prejudice
uh... in uh... subliminally or directly
to attract used if i can come in on that i'm
wouldn't be at port surprised to see you
uh... tory m_p_s
evasive their number
of people who can distances
but i think my neighborhood my own disgrace that took a party with the
ability to elect visa soviet park
hasn't done that already have paid
the fact is they have not enough
black and brown p will virtually because they know very well so to u
began in the slippers to
the settlement background people
we're almost out of time alike take at least one more call center i fail
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uh... that
uh... except that we need privately devolution workbook
certain questions uh... cerebral palsy
uh... thank prepare a various serious
disintegration al capone to everybody
a lot of uh... going through the f_b_i_ liberalize
from a stream
libertarian proposal para
if i can come in on the spoke with uh...
the united kingdom longer united
certainly the poorest of dawn particularly badly in scotland although
that's in some ways to be explained by the very particular quality of the
conservative party in scotland where to put it bluntly they tended to put up to
the the younger did result of second song of a local lads all i mentioned
banker from from london uh... turned wet particularly i suppose the the
middle-class despite the aggressive um... spinal all took such a government
of those people who've been attracted to it was just drop the spots up the wrong
way in my view things certainly i mean things about a seat on very badly uh...
i would've thought though that's more a matter of rethinking bleak for the
conservative party in scotland and than than something which is is uh... i
compete right off
uh... delusions
it's difficult i mean
sprawl a supporter of the conservative party in some ways it's extremely
tempting on the grounds that if it was the pollution in scotland uh... whales
then of britain that they would how the d_n_a_ went in having further elections
and and and england on the grounds of the dea professional conservative
majority
interns all the dissolution the parliamentary labour party i would've
thought not uh...
uh... i would have full phillips of things elected to stay pretty much as
they are
uh... maybe swipe leave overtime increases in the influence of some of
the more radical elements in the party but when it comes to an election bilby
increasingly
produce either kinect co or assault of side the small about version connected a
bit more harrington positively younger insult of bouncing over the tips is a
permanent not over the clips but
danzig across the kids all brothers just a walking
it's true that tories are as whereas uh... rocking horse
droppings and
scotland wales but that's always been true
uh... and delusion
yukon dr delusion i think
scotland wales uh...
uh... could be states as well as name
we've been package
province civic and
and unmentioned was uh...
when i'm not quite certain what results were where
where there is now
uh... an extraordinary disaffection
by the conservative uh...
in this case the orange
hosting
uh... protestants and and i think that
disaffection from sort of course is now pretty much
the conservative are you want to walk
conservative only in a very particular sends i mean that they're conservative
in the sense of keeping up there in traditions
they conservative in the sense that there was another alliance with the
conservatives but i i i think sure you'd agree that the
uh... but both of the traditions in northern ireland all in a way onto the
floor into anything to be found and in mainland england although there are
certain echoes object in the politics of the west of scotland islanders and other
countries recognition yet to come also the interns of scotland it does seem to
me that one mustn't but scotland pa with whales because
but that's
different scottish legal traditions the different are very different and
distinctive culture in scotland uh... is something which i think it would
certainly be possible to think of is having a much greater degree of autonomy
if if of independence was informative whales uh... a large sections of of
whales are competing size
uh... and the post nationalist themselves of
mostly operating in uh... robot courses
jeremy share our out of time
by very quickly
christopher hitchens thank you very much for being here like in a special thanks
to the b_b_c_ george mason university out here in fairfax virginia in capitol
connection for providing us with election night coverage